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[09:50:35] <aslak> anyone know if Eclipse has some form of "Project wide / default" Run configuration that can be set? e.g. I don't want t create a new Run Configuration for all my individual tests, but they all need $JBOSS_HOME set
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[10:12:19] <maxandersen> morning!
[10:12:25] <maxandersen> fbricon: awake and unbruised?
[10:12:45] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: browsersim?
[10:17:43] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: yep :)
[10:18:41] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: as I wrote, I do not see good reasons to create SWT application
[10:19:12] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: and as I wrote - I dont understand how you would make this work across platforms otherwise ?
[10:19:12] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: my preference is running chrome/chromium from eclipse
[10:19:25] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: which means you would have to bundle chrome...
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[10:19:46] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: yes, user has to have chrome installed
[10:19:48] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: configured with plugins and write some custom plugins for it or how ?
[10:20:37] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: so how do you see it work ? your description uptil now means alot of need for users to have the exact right environment configured to make it work
[10:20:50] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: how will users switch between simulations ?
[10:21:20] <maxandersen> (note, i'm open for any idea that can give us less work so it sounds great but the user experience doesn't sound so great to me...)
[10:21:54] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: user will need 1. install chrome; 2. install our plugin (he will be forwarded to the plugin page at first start)
[10:23:33] <maxandersen> what would "our plugin" do ?
[10:23:41] <maxandersen> where would that be bundled/installed from ?
[10:24:02] <maxandersen> can our plugin control the useragent/resolution setup ?
[10:24:33] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: the plugin would be or hosted on coogle chrome web store or bundled with the tools
[10:25:16] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: chrome plugin will control resolution only
[10:26:01] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: so it won't work then. since it won't be able to identify it self as a specific mobile device ?
[10:26:06] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: to change user agent, the user will need to restart chrome from eclipse
[10:27:00] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: thats not user friendly would you say that ?
[10:27:12] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: can you run multiple instances of chrome ?
[10:28:15] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: as I know, no. The user agent cannot be changed if chrome is already run
[10:28:45] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: so how will this ever work ? this means users can't use their own chrome to browse and develop apps at the same time..
[10:29:06] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: i must say doing a SWT app to control these sounds more and more intruiging wouldnt you say ?
[10:30:00] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: yes, chrome should be restarted.
[10:31:10] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: but SWT app seems much worse. It will force us to ship webkit with tools for every platform
[10:31:13] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: so its useless.
[10:31:36] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: if I have to restart my chrome to use this i wouldn't use it.
[10:31:51] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: isn't that what we do for xulrunner today?
[10:32:25] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: could the plugin reuse an already installed chrome for this ?
[10:36:21] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: it is what we do for xulrunner. and it is what gives us a lot of additional work. I do not know details about chrome, I need to research this question. Probably it would be easier to integrate with already installed webkit under Linux and Mac
[10:36:42] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: why not windows too ?
[10:37:56] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: http://www.eclipse.org/swt/faq.php#howusewebkit
[10:38:13] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: it says "Safari must be installed"
[10:38:29] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: not even chrome ?
[10:38:56] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: but see thats pretty awesome - the rcp app can simply just use this swt mechanism and we dont have to bundle anything
[10:39:09] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: btw. https://github.com/jamezpolley/dotfiles/blob/master/bin/chrome looks like you can run different profiles/setups.
[10:39:39] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: but that eclips org page removes your worry about bundling different versions, correct ?
[10:41:38] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: I guess there are 2 approaches to run webkit from SWT: or bundle webkit, or reuse it
[10:42:57] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: > yradtsevich: btw. https://github.com/jamezpolley/dotfiles/blob/master/bin/chrome looks like you can run different profiles/setups.
[10:42:57] <yradtsevich> I need to check this, probably it could use different profiles, but not at the same time :)
[10:44:19] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: what is really bad with SWT-based browser, it won't have web inspector/firebug
[10:45:07] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: why not at same time ? its just two different instances
[10:46:04] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: well once you have the web resolution/ui etc. setup in the SWT browser you could provide a button that says "open this in *real* browser"
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[10:46:17] <maxandersen> where users can do all their funkysetup
[10:46:22] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: sessions, cookied etc. seems to be are shared between all instances...
[10:46:35] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: chrome sucks then
[10:49:32] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: btw, can the webkit user agent be changed from SWT is another question for me
[10:50:28] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: and there is third approach to create 'browsersim'...
[10:50:37] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: ok ?
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[10:51:50] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: it cold be local proxy. For example, if user has his mobile site run on, localhost:8080, we could create proxy for if on localhost:8081
[10:52:16] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: where we would substitute all user-agent headers
[10:53:26] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: the proxy could also host a web-page with frame of neccessary size
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[10:53:47] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: what would that hosted webpage be used for ?
[10:54:48] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: it would show selectable list of user-agents and sizes
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[10:56:13] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: how would that get wired up then ? (from a user perspective)
[10:56:27] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: would he have to setup his own proxy?
[10:57:46] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: setting user agent from rcp: http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/viewvc.cgi/org.eclipse.swt.snippets/src/org/eclipse/swt/snippets/Snippet330.java?view=co
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[10:58:04] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: I see running of proxy as another run configuration which would start it and pount user's browser to it
[10:58:24] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: and how does the proxy get to know which sites it shuold proxy ?
[10:59:43] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: it could proxy everything. So the site would be selected from the browser
[11:00:04] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: *from the hosted page in browser
[11:00:34] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: ah yeah - if its working as proxy then yes.
[11:01:08] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: well sounds to me like having this proxy tweak the headers + swt browser would make everyone happy then ?
[11:03:08] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: yes, but SWT browser is not needed than
[11:03:30] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: for the resolution control
[11:03:40] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: and to easily run isolated
[11:04:03] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: your approach with using users browsers still require a specific browser to be installed, right ?
[11:05:41] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: the resolution contol could be done through hosted page; there is no need to run it isolated; approach with SWT browser still require WebKit libraries/Safari installed
[11:13:36] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: how could that be done through hosted page ? a hosted page doesn't make the browser render it more correctly
[11:14:04] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: and you just said the user wouldn't use that page he would just enter the address and the proxy would return the result...
[11:15:03] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: and SWT browser uses webkit automatically, its already setup no matter if it uses chrome or safari (I believe) - but yours will require users to install chrome.
[11:23:06] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: I mean the hosted page would have something like this http://www.opera.com/mobile/demo/ (but instead of a java applet it will use frames and html element )
[11:24:11] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: this approach is completely browser independent
[11:30:28] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: how much time would you need to put together a prototype for such frame ?
[11:36:16] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: around 1 day for web page itself, and 1 week for proxy (if everything is going good with frames)
[11:37:18] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: cant we just use an existing proxy with user agent rewrite to see how the webpage stuff would work ?
[11:37:46] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: try to find one...
[11:37:51] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: the proxy part I know how will work, but the webpage i'm not convinced about so need to see/show it to those wishing for it.
[11:38:40] <maxandersen> yradtsevich:  or just run the frame with this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/user-agent-switcher/ ?
[11:39:42] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: ok I will consider this, and there is mod_rewrite for apache
[11:39:47] <maxandersen> http://www.wannabrowser.com/index.php
[11:40:00] <maxandersen> not a proxy but can give you the html to load in frame
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[15:07:12] <fbricon> maxandersen1: yes I am
[15:07:30] <fbricon> maxandersen1: weird I didn't get/see your message this morning
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[15:29:21] <maxandersen1> fbricon: we need to send out those rough dates - but I need to run now.
[15:29:36] <maxandersen1> fbricon: can you send me mail with the info you got then ill cc the people
[15:30:09] <fbricon> maxandersen1: what are you talking about?
[15:31:28] <fbricon> maxandersen1: the archetype guidelines?
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[15:37:30] <yradtsevich> maxandersen1: http://source.jboss.org/browse/~raw,r=34997/JBossTools/workspace/yradtsevich/browsersim/browsersim-frame.html
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[15:39:22] <yradtsevich> maxandersen1: http://k.minus.com/jbkSCNmL1n8yKl.png
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[16:26:29] <Snjeza> aslak: "anyone know if Eclipse has some form of "Project wide / default" Run configuration that can be set? e.g. I don't want t create a new Run Configuration for all my individual tests, but they all need $JBOSS_HOME set"
[16:26:31] <Snjeza> I think there is no such a feature in Eclipse, but we could do the following:
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[19:22:52] <bfitzpat> ldimaggi - just sent you an e-mail with some JBDS 4.1.1 updates - fixed some project examples issues and yanked the mail example
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[20:06:57] <ldimaggi> bfitzpat, hi - sorry about that - was otp
[20:08:35] <ldimaggi> bfitzpat, so - what was with Spring and the email example - how the heck was Spring involved?
[20:19:12] <bfitzpat> ldimaggi - apparently there's a jar that Rob C used that may have brought it in that depended on some things that may not exist in SOA-P 5.2, but exist just fine in SOA-P 5.1
[20:19:22] <ldimaggi> bfitzpat, hmm
[20:19:32] <ldimaggi> bfitzpat, the camel mail jar?
[20:21:48] <bfitzpat> honestly I don't know - didn't have time to dig into it - but ultimately it boils down to greenmail*.jar
[20:21:56] <bfitzpat> greenmail-1.3.sar"
[20:22:39] <bfitzpat> not sure where it comes into play, but we don't have time to resolve it for 4.1.1 - we should look into it for the next major SOA tooling release however as we examine what other examples should be added
[20:34:23] <rcernich> bfitzpat, ldimaggi: that greenmail sar simply provides a mock mail server within jboss.  i was using that as a my "mail server" for testing
[20:35:30] <bfitzpat> rcernich - so it was the missing camel jar causing that weird deploy error?
[20:36:04] <rcernich> bfitzpat: i'm not sure
[20:36:25] <rcernich> bfitzpat: i'm guessing something changed in the camel stack between 5.1 and 5.2
[20:36:57] <bfitzpat> rcernich, ldimaggi - and that's what caused the weird spring error... that would make sense I think
[20:37:15] <ldimaggi> bfitzpat, weird!
[20:38:11] <bfitzpat> ldimaggi - yeah, weird - and one more reason why we didn't want to try and track it down this late in the  game
[20:38:13] <rcernich> bfitzpat: could you look at one of your 5.2 installs: deployers/esb.deployer/lib and see what's in there for camel?
[20:38:37] <bfitzpat> rcernich... looking
[20:38:52] <rcernich> bfitzpat: specifically, the camel version (camel-core-x.x.x.jar) and other camel components (e.g. camel-spring-x.x.x.jar)
[20:39:46] <bfitzpat> camel-core-2.4.0.jar, no camel-spring jar at all
[20:40:14] <rcernich> bfitzpat: odd.  i wonder where it's coming from.
[20:40:27] <rcernich> bfitzpat: another quickstart?
[20:41:17] <rcernich> bfitzpat: sorry to distract.  not important.
[20:41:34] <bfitzpat> rcernich  - really haven't a clue - might ask David Ward - he'd probably know
[20:43:00] <rcernich> bfitzpat: try: find . -name "*spring*.jar"
[20:43:29] <rcernich> bfitzpat: in one of your 5.2 server config directories (e.g. server/default)
[20:44:19] <bfitzpat> spring-core.jar, spring-context.jar, spring-beans.jar show up in a lot of places, but no camel-spring*.*.jar
[20:44:48] <bfitzpat> some other assorted spring jars, but no camel jars anywy
[20:44:51] <bfitzpat> anyway
[20:45:02] <rcernich> bfitzpat: i'm seeing stuff from deploy/spring.esb
[20:45:34] <rcernich> bfitzpat: anyway...sorry to distract.
[20:45:42] <bfitzpat> yeah, have that - but no camel spring jar in there
[20:46:17] <rcernich> bfitzpat: i bet that's it.  those are the only spring-like jars in 5.1
[20:46:20] <bfitzpat> not in ER3 or ER4
[20:46:29] <rcernich> bfitzpat: and they're all org.springframework....jar
[20:47:08] <bfitzpat> dward did a lot of the camel work way back when, so he probably knows what happened to it
[20:48:27] <rcernich> bfitzpat: i'll ask, but i'm guessing it's not camel, just shows up when the camel endpoint is added.
[20:50:40] <bfitzpat> okey dokey
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