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[13:27:36] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: yradtsevich: ping
[13:28:55] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: pong
[13:29:02] <dgeraskov> maxandersen: hi
[13:29:23] <maxandersen> only got 30 minutes today so ill be quick ;)
[13:29:58] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: the multiple root problem - did you reproduce it on wtp 3.0 ?
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[13:30:21] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: where are we at concerning supporting Hibernate 3.x 4.x with hibernate tools ?
[13:30:26] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: not yet, doing this now
[13:30:34] <maxandersen> ?and in general: anything you guys need from me/info ;)
[13:32:51] <dgeraskov> what I've done so far: 1. Migrated Vitaly's reflection-based patch to Eclipse3.7( I use new jpt plugins, but others are from Eclipse 3.6 ) 2. Checked on hibernate4 : 1) Reverse Engineering from database b) HQL+Criteria c) Mapping diagram
[13:33:02] <dgeraskov> for my little example all 3 are works
[13:33:21] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: who can I ping to ask some questions about Mylyn integration (JBIDE-9741)?
[13:33:24] <jbott> 5: [JBIDE-9741] Restore text selection in VPE when a Mylyn task is activated [Open, Major, (jsp/jsf/xml source editing, Visual Page Editor core), yradtsevich] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9741
[13:33:31] <dgeraskov> but from users I know they are not always work
[13:33:42] <dgeraskov> so I need to use more complicated examples
[13:33:54] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: the reflection based approached was horrible - thats why we didnt include it.
[13:34:00] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: it was very much broken
[13:34:12] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: it did not isolate any jars.
[13:34:31] <dgeraskov> BTW I tested hiberante 4 with our current implementation
[13:34:35] <dgeraskov> no Vitaly's
[13:34:51] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: just take examples for different seam/eap versions and try with - here you will get different version of jars etc.
[13:35:14] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: what do you mean "no vitalys" ?
[13:35:35] <dgeraskov> I mean I tried this "Checked on hibernate4 : 1) Reverse Engineering from database b) HQL+Criteria c) Mapping diagram"
[13:35:40] <dgeraskov> with our current code
[13:35:43] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: whats the question about JBIDE-9297 ?
[13:35:46] <jbott> Feature Request: [JBIDE-9297] Mylyn and VPE views integration [Coding In Progress, Major, (jsp/jsf/xml source editing, Visual Page Editor core), yradtsevich] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9297
[13:35:51] <dgeraskov> and need to use more complicated example
[13:35:59] <dgeraskov> as all 3 work
[13:36:39] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: use seam-gen against EAP4, EAP 5.0, EAP 5.1 and try run queries etc. on all three in the same eclipse.
[13:37:19] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: I just need a link to a good documentation or book about how to write mylyn plugins
[13:37:22] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: ?and if you got link to users problems concerning this (jiras?) let me know and i can give my guess/assumption on what goes wrong.
[13:38:03] <dgeraskov> you know the link http://community.jboss.org/message/626210#626210
[13:38:20] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: http://www.eclipse.org/mylyn/developers/ ?
[13:38:55] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: btw. this issue is of waay less importance than exploring what we can do for html5/javascript and mobile dev and testing.
[13:39:42] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: but this user doesn't talk about problems when actually using hibernate tools in eclipse ?
[13:40:37] <dgeraskov> right, but I expect them also
[13:40:49] <dgeraskov> as if he have problems with core
[13:41:12] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: ?
[13:41:29] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: not following what you mean ?
[13:41:31] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: it would be good, if someone from jboss tools team has already written the same mylyn extension. So he could point me to the code.
[13:41:55] <dgeraskov> maxandersen: when I thought about the implementation the idea was: 1. remove all references from current plugis 2. Create Interfaces which will get us all necessary info - for mapping diagram classes-tables structure or nodes, for code generation will get newly created files and so on. 3. Create actual implementations in different plugins. The problem here is how many plugins will we need and how to make maximum code reuse? prob
[13:41:55] <dgeraskov> ably 1 implementation plugin could support several versions...
[13:42:13] <dgeraskov> maxandersen: I meant as user have problems with hibernate-tools core
[13:42:22] <dgeraskov> I expect the same problems with plugins
[13:42:38] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: I don't know of examples in jboss tools code - just know about http://www.eclipse.org/mylyn/developers/
[13:42:49] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: but as said, this issue is *not* important.
[13:43:26] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: ok
[13:43:35] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: okey - yes the implementation idea sounds good - how many plugins will we need ? depends on compatibility of hibernate tools/core;)
[13:44:02] <dgeraskov> for taday 2 or 3
[13:44:08] <dgeraskov> one is for old versions
[13:44:09] <maxandersen> dgeraskov:  a rough guess for now would be a plugin for hibernate 3.3.2-3.3.5, hibernate 3.6, and hibernate 4.x
[13:44:15] <dgeraskov> another for hibernate 4
[13:44:19] <maxandersen> yes
[13:44:19] <yradtsevich> maxandersen:  let's discuss 'broswersim' when you finish with dgeraskov, because I am feeling like disturbing you
[13:44:34] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: :) ok
[13:44:34] <dgeraskov> and not sure about hibernate 3.6 as it have api changes similar to hibernate 4
[13:44:58] <dgeraskov> maxandersen: yes, you type much faster ;)
[13:45:00] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: so that idea you outline there above would that still require reflection ?
[13:46:06] <dgeraskov> maxandersen: each plugin will refer to custom hibernate classes ( lib inside plugin )
[13:46:18] <dgeraskov> maxandersen: but probably need to add smart classloader
[13:46:25] <dgeraskov> to allow use user's classes
[13:46:30] <dgeraskov> *librariues
[13:46:31] <dgeraskov> I mean
[13:46:40] <dgeraskov> as it is now
[13:47:04] <dgeraskov> so no reflection as it is now
[13:51:00] <dgeraskov> maxandersen: do you have any ideas how to make maximum code reuse in the case?
[13:51:15] <dgeraskov> probably the reflection could the answer in some cases
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[13:58:01] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: your approach sounds like what is needed - dont have a better idea of code reuse for this until we start seeing what "sticks out" when doing the implementation
[13:58:36] <maxandersen> I was considering using beanshell or similar to make some things a bit cleaner.
[13:59:22] <dgeraskov> need to look what is it
[13:59:25] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: we can also exclude some features from this migration if it makes it easier
[14:01:33] <dgeraskov> ok, I need to find the problems with new versions ( at least 1 ) and will move in this direction
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[14:06:59] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: if need be, create a branch to do the work and ill helpout/review when i can.
[14:08:00] <dgeraskov> maxandersen: good
[14:08:17] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: the most important features to support with multiple versions is Query execution/validation. Secondary is codegeneration which could simply be made to ignore users setup (at least in theory ;) and the mapping diagram we can loose too if too hard.
[14:08:18] <dgeraskov> maxandersen: the problem first step is very big
[14:08:31] <dgeraskov> maxandersen: and not sure I could separate it on many steps
[14:09:13] <dgeraskov> maxandersen: ok, start with query execution
[14:10:16] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: with query execution we could consider even make it all be executed externally?I was thinking about us simply starting an external java process in debug mode and interact with that process via JDT debug code.
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[14:13:21] <maxandersen> yradtsevich: my thursday meeting frenzy starts now so can we sync up tomorrow on browsersim ? (feel free to send ideas/suggestions/current thinking about it to me/jbosstools-dev)
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[14:15:31] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: ok, let's talk tommorow
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[14:43:22] <maxandersen> jbide-1
[14:43:25] <jbott> Feature Request: [JBIDE-1] Create Jave Server Faces designer plugin [Closed, Major, (JSF), Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-1
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[17:39:56] <yradtsevich> maxandersen: what do you mean under " the components file"? i am talking about your comment https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9753?focusedCommentId=12629922&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-12629922
[17:39:59] <jbott> Feature Request: [JBIDE-9753] multiple content web roots seem to confuse VPE [Open, Blocker, (Visual Page Editor core), yradtsevich] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9753
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[18:24:53] <Daniel_Azarov> maxandersen, Hi, what eclipse did you use on your mac? Mac/cocoa or Mac/Carbon?
[18:25:09] <maxandersen> Daniel_Azarov: cocoa
[18:25:25] <Daniel_Azarov> maxandersen, ok Ill try it
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[21:25:08] <maxandersen> akazakov: about JBIDE-9717 did that problem just get solved on its own ;)
[21:25:11] <jbott> Task: [JBIDE-9717] Icons for CDI Tools UI Elements [Open, Major, (CDI), akazakov] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9717
[21:27:22] <maxandersen> akazakov:  i added some comments
[21:27:32] <akazakov> maxandersen: Daniel created images for us ;) But now we are putting them to all the places where we can use them.
[21:28:04] <maxandersen> akazakov: yeah they look like they have the right parts but the sizes are "opposite"
[21:28:18] <maxandersen> i.e. on interface it shuold be the I that is big and weld just the overlay.
[21:28:52] <maxandersen> and remove doesn't have to have its own icon - could just be a standard "delete" red cross remove.
[21:29:24] <akazakov> weld icon is to complex to be a small part
[21:29:59] <akazakov> we tried to make it smaller but it doesn't look good
[21:30:42] <akazakov> agree with you about remove.
[21:32:04] <akazakov> Daniel_Azarov: ^^
[21:33:41] <akazakov> maxandersen: about edit. it's a hummer, not magnifier glass ;)
[21:34:18] <akazakov> hammer
[21:34:33] <maxandersen> a hammer?
[21:34:40] <maxandersen> thats new ;)
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[21:35:20] <maxandersen> about the scale - did you just downscale it or actually redid it a lower scale ?
[21:36:05] <Daniel_Azarov> maxandersen, scaled in photoshop
[21:36:08] <akazakov> downscaled
[21:36:20] <maxandersen> yes so that will definitlely suck ;)
[21:36:37] <akazakov> i'm afraid we are not able to redo it
[21:37:09] <maxandersen> whats the dimensions of the small overlay icons ?
[21:37:21] <maxandersen> 8x8 ?
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[21:39:28] <akazakov> looking...
[21:40:39] <Daniel_Azarov> 9x9\
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[21:42:13] <maxandersen> okey - ill ask the design team if they can do a 9x9 version overlay ;)
[22:03:41] <Elisha> hello people one question, perhaps not related to jbt.... is it possible to have some jsf common beans in external jars?
[22:04:45] <maxandersen> Elisha: why shouldn't it be ?
[22:05:59] <Elisha> ok, you're the man :D
[22:06:19] <Elisha> I'm thinking without being used in xml just annotations
[22:06:28] <Elisha> but you said it
[22:15:02] <maxandersen> for CDI just add  a beans.xml ;)
[22:16:14] <Elisha> in jar?
[22:16:16] <Elisha> or war
[22:16:35] <maxandersen> both
[22:16:42] <Elisha> okay
[22:16:59] <Elisha> I have it in WAR, so I have to put it into JAR aswell
[22:17:02] <maxandersen> but you said jsf beans so if you arent using CDI then you need to look at how that is done for jsf (and for that im not hte man ;)
[22:17:36] <Elisha> I'll try out when willing, I'm not in the mood currently
[22:17:47] <maxandersen> elisha - if CDI and you want the classes to be automatically picked up in an external jar then you need to put a beans.xml (just an empty one) to tell the container it should be scanned.
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[22:18:25] <Elisha> cool, thanks for the info
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