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[09:38:00] <maxandersen> Morning! Maan - sleep is awesome
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[09:40:49] <xcoulon> good morning ;-)
[09:42:52] <maxandersen> morning xcoulon
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[10:28:07] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: hey - do you know you committed things to the code frozen M3 yesterday ? Was that intentional ?
[10:29:47] <dgeraskov> maxandersen: hey
[10:29:56] <dgeraskov> maxandersen: I didn't commit yesterday
[10:30:30] <dgeraskov> maxandersen: I committed on the previous week
[10:35:17] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: well thats just as bad. why where you committing to the codefrozen branch ? shouldn't be happening.
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[10:39:44] <dgeraskov> maxandersen: actually I thought it is not codefreezed
[10:40:04] <dgeraskov> maxandersen: I decided to ask here before the commit
[10:40:10] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: eh?!
[10:40:17] <dgeraskov> but nobody answered that time :)
[10:40:21] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: where ? who said yes ?
[10:40:51] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: It should be pretty clear we are in codefreeze - nick been sending mails stating that pretty often ;)
[10:44:34] <dgeraskov> maxandersen: I sow the emails, but we decieded they
[10:44:44] <fbricon> maxandersen: why don't we lock codefrozen branches?
[10:44:51] <dgeraskov> the codefreeze is on the time while nick customize builds
[10:45:24] <maxandersen> fbricon: lock them how ? remove commit rights ?
[10:45:28] <fbricon> maxandersen: don't remember the settings but it's not that hard to do
[10:46:16] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: but we already did M3 builds for QE - why would it even make sense to commit to m3 ? ;)
[10:46:39] <fbricon> maxandersen: yeah. Put developpers in groups, give commit right to groups on branches
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[10:47:33] <maxandersen> fbricon: i havent had to lock down the branches before and having to enable-disable users per review basis was (at least until now) more overhead?.but yeah, should reconsider.
[10:48:26] <fbricon> maxandersen: the more developpers you have higher the chances of screw-ups you get
[10:48:58] <dgeraskov> maxandersen: but where is bug fixing weeks? ^)
[10:48:58] * fbricon thinks we are just humans
[10:49:01] <dgeraskov> :)
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[10:50:26] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: bug fixing weeks ? not sure what you mean ? for the releeases we declare time of branch and shortly after we do the codefreeze and do builds QE work on.. Then each and every issue that needs fixed should at that time be reviewed on the branch to reduce the possibility of accidental bigger errors to be introduced.
[10:50:39] <maxandersen> fbricon_office: yes - where are the robots ;)
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[10:51:42] <fbricon_cleverbo> maxandersen: are you a robot?
[10:51:44] <maxandersen> fbricon_office: could you test m3b to see if the as7 issue you spotted (NPE in log) is gone ?
[10:51:50] <maxandersen> fbricon_cleverbo: are you ?
[10:52:08] <fbricon_cleverbo> no. I ride unicorns
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[10:52:44] <maxandersen> fbricon_cleverbo: I prefer skateboards with jetpacks my self.
[10:53:45] <fbricon_cleverbo> maxandersen: m3b is on the 3.3.0M3 update site?
[10:54:37] <maxandersen> fbricon_cleverbo: yes, but just named m3b (not sure why nickboldt1 doesn't keep a consistent url for the staging builds now he have gone through the great effort of having them separate from nightlies ;)
[10:54:58] <maxandersen> fbricon_cleverbo: he posted urls on dev list
[10:55:06] <maxandersen> http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/JBossTools-3.3.0.M3b/
[10:55:45] <fbricon_cleverbo> yeah I don't understand why he didn't keep the previous update site url
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[10:56:08] * fbricon_office likes to change nicks
[10:56:20] <nickboldt1> so that QE won't wonder why the bits suddenyl changed from the stuff they were testing earlier
[10:56:28] <maxandersen> fbricon_office: he just like to keep the builds a surprise ;)
[10:56:48] <nickboldt1> and because you get so freaking confused when I have ONE URL that contains a changing snapshot
[10:56:52] <fbricon_office> nickboldt1: what are you doing up at this time?
[10:57:05] <maxandersen> nickboldt1: well - then create an aggregating alias
[10:57:23] <nickboldt1> so, now, it's a static URL for each spin/respin I publish in readiness for promotion to public
[10:57:32] <nickboldt1> maxandersen: same problem
[10:57:41] <maxandersen> nickboldt1: before we had a staging build that kept changing every night?..now we got a stable one but it name changes ;)
[10:57:53] <nickboldt1> but once we get QE signoff then yes, you'll see the bits in the usual public-facing place
[10:58:00] <maxandersen> nickboldt1: the current situation is way better than before so i'm happy ;)
[10:58:13] <nickboldt1> maxandersen: good!
[10:58:42] <nickboldt1> note too there's a mirror of the bits in Brno for ya'll with European addresses :)
[10:59:44] <nickboldt1> http://machydra.brq.redhat.com/www.qa.jboss.com/binaries/RHDS/builds/development/5.0.0.M3b/201109142301/installer/ is still rsyncing though
[10:59:59] <maxandersen> nickboldt1: *cry*
[11:00:13] <maxandersen> nickboldt1: where is the instant gigamegasuperwatt network
[11:00:38] <nickboldt1> maxandersen: I have no idea. Call Amazon?
[11:01:06] <nickboldt1> anyway, I'm off to bed. You need me on the 10am call (in 5hrs) ?
[11:01:15] <nickboldt1> maxandersen: ^
[11:01:47] <maxandersen> nickboldt1: not if you need sleep. ;)
[11:02:24] <nickboldt1> well, if you need me I can be on; just wondering what I can say beyond "builds are available, see email for links" and "could we stop respinning already?"
[11:02:27] <maxandersen> nickboldt1: I hope todays call will just be M3 signoff and then call about next dates
[11:03:13] <maxandersen> nickboldt1: my head can't handle more than one branch at the time anyway ;)
[11:03:19] <nickboldt1> maxandersen: isn't that the 11:30 call? planning 5.0.M4 and 4.1.1.whatever.the.next.milestone.is.called for late October?
[11:03:42] <fbricon_office> nickboldt1: can't find the JBT 3.3.0M3b url on machydra
[11:03:43] <nickboldt1> maxandersen: I know that feeling. Having to juggle 3 isn't fun for me either :P
[11:03:45] <adietisheim> ping jpeterka
[11:03:52] <nickboldt1> fbricon_office: it's not there yet
[11:04:01] <nickboldt1> http://machydra.brq.redhat.com/ shows sync history
[11:04:09] <jpeterka> pong adietisheim
[11:05:02] <adietisheim> hi jpeterka
[11:05:03] <fbricon_office> nickboldt1: cool I didn't scroll down the page to see the history
[11:05:20] <nickboldt1> yeah, looks like it's on a 3hr cycle of sync-checking
[11:05:23] <adietisheim> jpeterka: was wondering if we have a windows machine I could vnc to to test the latest JBDS on windows?
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[11:07:03] <maxandersen> nickb_sleeping: the only thing I got is that if QE says yes at 17:00 today lets push the release ASAP out to the servers ;)
[11:08:11] <jpeterka> adientisheim: hi Andre, yes there should be something, i'll post a link on devstudio channel
[11:08:33] <fbricon_office> Snjeza: ping
[11:09:21] <nickb_sleeping> maxandersen: ok, will be watching for email(s) to that effect and can push to sourceforge/devstudio.jboss ASAP thereafter
[11:10:41] <Snjeza> fbricon_office: hello
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[11:11:02] <fbricon_office> Snjeza: looks like your refactoring in project samples broke the maven integration
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[11:12:58] <fbricon_office> fbricon_office: or it used to break it but the compilation errors are gone. So forget about it
[11:13:09] <fbricon_office> Snjeza: ^
[11:13:39] <jpeterka> adietisheim: ^^^I've misspelled your nickname :(
[11:14:09] <Snjeza> I have committed the changes to the trunk only. What is the problem?
[11:15:08] <adietisheim1> jpeterka: and I had network outage :( miss the log of the last 2,3 mins I guess. can you please repeat?
[11:15:49] <Snjeza> I have moved two methods from the maven.project.examples plugin to the core.project.examples plugin. I suppose you haven't checked the core plugin.
[11:16:08] <Snjeza> checked out
[11:16:24] <fbricon_office> not yet. Saw a jenkins build failure
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[11:17:00] <fbricon_office> I've been focused on m2e-wtp lately so I need to update my jbt stuff
[11:17:10] <maxandersen> nickb_sleeping: lzoubek found some disturbing things..
[11:18:07] <fbricon_office> Snjeza: for some reason, UI bot tests fail in maven now : http://hudson.qa.jboss.com/hudson/job/jbosstools-3.3_trunk.component--maven/418/testReport/junit/org.jboss.tools.maven.ui.bot.test/MavenAllBotTests/org_jboss_tools_maven_ui_bot_test_CreateMavenizedSeamProjectTest/
[11:18:16] <fbricon_office> Snjeza: if you have any idea ...
[11:18:39] <maxandersen> nickb_sleeping: http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/JBossTools-3.3.0.M3b/site.xml contains references to M4 builds !?
[11:20:31] <Snjeza> fbricon_office: the error in the 418 build isn't related to my refactoring. I suppose the error happens because of some changes in the seam web wizard.
[11:20:32] <fbricon_office> maxandersen: btw, starting AS7 no longer displays exceptions in eclipse log with M3b
[11:21:06] <fbricon_office> Snjeza: ok, I'll look into it
[11:28:37] <maxandersen> fbricon_office: great.
[11:51:01] <fbricon_office> damn
[11:51:49] <fbricon_office> UPS is supposed to deliver my Lacinema Mini HD today. The day I'm at the office
[11:51:56] <fbricon_office> damn
[11:59:39] <maxandersen> fbricon_office: does that box play "everything" ?
[11:59:58] <fbricon_office> maxandersen: pretty much
[12:00:08] <maxandersen> sweet
[12:00:13] <fbricon_office> I'm only interested in a few formats anyway
[12:00:31] <maxandersen> what browsing ui does it providE?
[12:00:32] <fbricon_office> and it's good looking
[12:01:17] <fbricon_office> maxandersen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8swj3rylOcI
[12:02:24] <maxandersen> *horrible* ui?.but works I guess ;)
[12:02:36] <fbricon_office> got it for 171?
[12:02:58] <fbricon_office> still cheaper than a macmini :-)
[12:05:53] <maxandersen> fbricon_office: 235 euro would get you a ps3 with similar (smoother UI) and you could game on it too ;)
[12:06:40] <fbricon_office> maxandersen: don't try to ruin my satisfaction :-)
[12:07:31] <fbricon_office> maxandersen: I have 21MB broadband at home for 32?
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[12:08:31] <fbricon_office> someone's not fun today
[12:08:44] <maxandersen> fbricon_office: i thought it was funny ;)
[12:08:59] <fbricon_office> maxandersen: bastard
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[13:32:37] <adietisheim1> ping maxandersen
[13:33:12] <adietisheim1> huh, looks like the latest jbds build did not produce something runnable: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/339/jbdevstudioproductwin32.png/
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[15:10:44] <maxandersen1> adietisheim1: what do you mean ? its a .jar and if your explorer is configured to browse archvies it will do that to you isntead of running it.
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[15:11:12] <adietisheim1> maxandersen1: was mislead, IE on my Windows test machine was downloading it as zip :( could solve it
[15:11:32] <adietisheim1> maxandersen1: it is runnable
[15:11:47] <maxandersen1> adietisheim1: at least some parts of it work ;)
[15:11:58] <maxandersen1> adietisheim1: how does the dialogs do on that build ?
[15:12:16] <adietisheim1> maxandersen1: that's what I wanted to test. currently started it.. will see it in a few
[15:15:13] <maxandersen1> adietisheim1: ok
[15:17:02] <adietisheim1> maxandersen1: gosh, I hate win. became a complete noob with that thing
[15:17:10] <maxandersen1> :)
[15:17:30] <maxandersen1> adietisheim1: I miss windows - its the only OS that has working multimonitor workflow
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[15:18:07] <adietisheim1> maxandersen1: hum, you mean the "macos app menu" always being on the 1st screen?
[15:18:29] <maxandersen1> adietisheim1: that and it doesn't remember window sizes/positions
[15:18:59] <maxandersen1> adietisheim1: and that mac's only can drive 1 external screen. ?but i guess thats more an hardware limitation than OS/software
[15:19:11] <adietisheim1> maxandersen1: oh.. yeah, that sucks on mac. not sure but linux does that right but has other flaws
[15:19:49] <adietisheim1> maxandersen1: afaik the drivers are the culprits on linux. it works pretty well with nvidia ones but not with intel
[15:20:24] <adietisheim1> maxandersen1: gosh, i am sooo slow on win..
[15:20:44] <maxandersen1> adietisheim1: and its not just the remote vnc that does it for you ? :)
[15:21:41] <adietisheim1> maxandersen1: nope, autocomplete in the shell just picks the first match. have to delete and add letters. another one is me typing "ls" "rm" all the time...
[15:21:51] <maxandersen1> :)
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[15:37:14] <adietisheim1> maxandersen1: looks like the "fix" works on win. I had the runtime search dialog on top but the usage dialog popped up as soon as I clicked the runtime search dialog.
[15:37:26] <maxandersen1> adietisheim1: yay
[15:37:42] <maxandersen1> adietisheim1: you push that change in both branch and trunk correct?
[15:37:52] <adietisheim1> maxandersen1: yup, to both
[15:38:13] <adietisheim1> maxandersen1: but it still feels strange somehow. hope QE will confirm that it fixes
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[16:05:43] <fbricon> installing JBT from http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/nightly/trunk/ on a fresh eclipse install :   Missing requirement: Context and Dependency Injection Tools 1.2.0.v20110915-0455-H536-M4 (org.jboss.tools.cdi.feature.feature.group 1.2.0.v20110915-0455-H536-M4) requires 'org.jboss.tools.common.feature.feature.group 3.3.0' but it could not be found
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[17:06:25] <dmaliarevich> dgolovin: Denis, hello, could you have a look at JBIDE-9059 ? I've put some comments.
[17:06:29] <jbott> Feature Request: [JBIDE-9059] Display Error Message in Dialog Window when using VPE with Java 5 [Coding In Progress, Minor, (common/jst/core), dmaliarevich] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9059
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[17:10:21] <maxandersen1> dmaliarevich: i'm completely against preventing startup of JBDS based on some not always correct detection preventing users to try use another JVM.
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[17:10:42] <maxandersen1> dmaliarevich: warnings fine - but prevention. nope.
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[17:12:37] <dmaliarevich> maxandersen1: ok, i've got your idea
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[17:15:42] <dmaliarevich> maxandersen1: What about marking all plugins require Java-1.6 ?
[17:16:02] <maxandersen1> dmaliarevich: what would that help ?
[17:16:13] <maxandersen1> dmaliarevich: then nothing would start ;)
[17:16:40] <dmaliarevich> maxandersen1: yeap, there's no profit in it.
[17:16:43] <maxandersen1> dmaliarevich: if the plugin requires java 1.6 then it shuold be marked as such - if they don't then why ?
[17:17:08] <dmaliarevich> maxandersen1: so just warnings.
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[17:20:49] <dgolovin> maxandersen1: dmaliarevich: I don't see any point to have that check. Where are you going to put that check? Note, it should be outside of VPE, because if VPE requires 1.6 it wouldn't start
[17:23:31] <dgolovin> on 1.5
[17:26:53] <dmaliarevich> ..certainly not in VPE, because this check is for the whole JBDS
[17:27:58] <yradtsevich> dgolovin: dmaliarevich: what is about j.b.t.commons.ui? it is 1.5
[17:31:40] <maxandersen1> yradtsevich: dmaliarevich: doesnt really cover all plugins then ?.seriously no good way of fixing this beyond fixing-improving eclipses way of handling it?.
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[17:36:01] <maxandersen1> hey nickb_sleeping
[17:36:28] <maxandersen1> dgolovin: could you tell nickb_sleeping the issue you found/identifeid with M3
[17:36:45] <dgolovin> gotta run to the office, I'll email him
[17:37:05] <dgolovin> maxandersen1: done
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[17:44:06] <yradtsevich> maxandersen1: dgolovin: dmaliarevich: so, there are remaining two options: 1. create new plugin and make all 1.6 j.b.t plugins to be dependent on it. 2. leave everything as is and let user solve his problems by himself. My choice is the second one...
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[18:34:38] <nickboldt> maxandersen1: ok, so dgolovin's fix was only part of the m3/m4 solution
[18:34:57] <nickboldt> respinning all the aggregates (incl. the soa-tooling ones)
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[18:51:18] <dgolovin> yradtsevich: There is a good candidate for placing check like this, it is usage plugin, but I would prefer eclipse doing this in a user friendly way
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[19:23:13] <yradtsevich> dgolovin: yeah, usage is a good choice, it is java 5 and many (but not all) plugins have it in their dependencies.
[19:24:29] <maxandersen1> yradtsevich: many many more than common?.
[19:24:37] <maxandersen1> actually - which plugins does *not* have them ?
[19:24:41] <maxandersen1> have it I mean ;)
[19:24:55] <maxandersen1> anyway - I really dont think that one is a good place to have the check.
[19:25:18] <dgolovin> yradtsevich: in fact all plugins have reference to usage
[19:25:40] <dgolovin> maxandersen1: in other words whatever you install from JBT it will pull usage
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[19:27:12] <yradtsevich> dgolovin: i do not see a reference to usage from hibernate tools
[19:28:44] <yradtsevich> maxandersen1: ^^
[19:29:27] <yradtsevich> maxandersen1: why do you think usage is not a good place for the check?
[19:29:57] <maxandersen1> yradtsevich: because its not its job.
[19:30:11] <maxandersen1> yradtsevich: it would then show two dialogs at startup...
[19:30:14] <maxandersen1> it would be a hack
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[19:37:51] <maxandersen1> adietisheim1: ping
[19:38:41] <adietisheim1> maxandersen1: pong
[19:38:57] <yradtsevich> maxandersen1: dgolovin: okay, than do you agree that creating of an extra plugin to show just one message is too much? I am going to reject this issue.
[19:39:32] <maxandersen1> adietisheim1: why are the versions stuff in AS now all over the place ?
[19:39:42] <adietisheim1> maxandersen1: ?
[19:39:53] <maxandersen1> adietisheim1: we just went through a great alignment of versions and now it looks broken again
[19:39:58] <maxandersen1> adietisheim1: 0.0.1 in openshift
[19:40:33] <adietisheim1> maxandersen1: oh, I though nick had fixed that in a quick hack. To me openshift and egit should be 0.0.1 since they're new things
[19:40:57] <maxandersen1> adietisheim1: no - they are released as part of AS and AS tooling is at version 2.7.0 (or something ;)
[19:41:12] <nickboldt> maxandersen1: you mean all plugins in a given component should be at the same base level? (eg, 3.3.0, instead of some at 3.3.0 and some at 1.0.0 or 0.1.0 or 0.0.1?)
[19:41:12] <maxandersen1> adietisheim1: if openshift stuff gets a seperate thing - sure.
[19:41:17] <adietisheim1> maxandersen1: so all versions should get aligned? everything in the same version?
[19:41:47] <maxandersen1> yes - thats what we talked about at F2f at the cafe - remember? and I sent more than a few mails about it to explain why.
[19:42:06] <adietisheim1> maxandersen1: hum, honestly dont remember it. so 0.0.1 is wrong then?
[19:42:20] <maxandersen1> if you want to manually keep all the versions in sync thats awesome but history shows that doesnt work well (for anyone ;)
[19:42:40] <maxandersen1> adietisheim1: yes - use the same version and use mvn tycho:version to bump up/down
[19:42:48] <adietisheim1> maxandersen1: I dont mind, I just wanted to have things done right. Obviously this intent was not right
[19:43:02] <adietisheim1> maxandersen1: ok, putting it back then
[19:44:45] <maxandersen1> adietisheim1: http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/whGaOOudmYgt9kB46Qm3
[19:46:12] <adietisheim1> maxandersen1: ok, missed that one. agree, being able to use the tools spares work even though feels odd to have a fresh addition versioned at 2.3.0. but in the big pictures makes sense
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[19:51:03] <nickboldt> rruss: how long are you in the T.Dot this week?
[19:52:04] <adietisheim1> maxandersen1: ok, bumped back
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[20:47:03] <maxandersen1> adietisheim1: thanks
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[23:07:01] <maxipad> nickboldt: So did the aggregation work this time ?
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