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[11:05:45] <maxandersen> rawbdor: boing
[11:07:00] <maxandersen> JBIDE-9650 ?. does this not mean that deployments to non-started server will be slow (timeout waiting for jmx to not respond?) and that when I do seam/ear deployments the change of inconsistent publishing will be high, especially for slow SCP remote stuff ?
[11:07:03] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9650] [Regression] - Servers under 7 (6 and below) do not suspend deployment scanner before publishing [Resolved, Blocker, (JBossAS/Servers), rob.stryker] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9650
[11:12:41] <maxandersen> adietisheim: seen rawbdor today   ? (beyond the regression email)
[11:14:06] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  it doesn't seem to be very slow (i tried it this morning, seems to fail the jmx thing immediately)
[11:14:31] <maxandersen> rawbdor: well you run on linux where timeouts for hosts behaves very differently, remember ? )
[11:14:33] <maxandersen> :)
[11:14:47] <maxandersen> anyway - biggest issue being the partial ear deployment though
[11:17:09] <maxandersen> another problem is that the forum posters still complain about AS 7.0.1 not working https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9649
[11:17:12] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9649] Timeout problem with JBoss 7.0.1.Final [Open, Major, (JBossAS/Servers), rob.stryker] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9649
[11:17:31] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  what is the partial ear deployment?
[11:17:44] <maxandersen> is this caused by the lazy=true|false change ? (just seems like they have issues going further back looking at http://community.jboss.org/thread/171229, http://community.jboss.org/message/622018#622018
[11:18:26] <maxandersen> rawbdor: the resson for the jmx deployer to suspend deployment is to avoid redeployment happens on partial copied content - i.e. partial ear is the most common scenario since they are normally "bigger"
[11:20:12] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  oh right, that.
[11:28:19] <maxandersen> so rawbdor this regression has rather severe issues right?
[11:28:39] <maxandersen> rawbdor: its basically removing the main advantage of JBoss Tools server adapters over others (besides the incremental stuff)
[11:28:49] <maxandersen> rawbdor: or am I exagerating ? :)
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[11:29:12] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  you're not exaggering too much
[11:29:15] <rawbdor> just a little
[11:29:39] <rawbdor> but its a very serious regression that was a simple boolean and was caused entirely by, what i would call, carelessness
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[11:31:42] <maxandersen> rawbdor: so create the patch, add it to JBIDE-9650, ill look and we'll get it applied in a respin.
[11:31:45] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9650] [Regression] - Servers under 7 (6 and below) do not suspend deployment scanner before publishing [Reopened, Blocker, (JBossAS/Servers), rob.stryker] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9650
[11:31:58] <maxandersen> rawbdor: but i'm also worried about JBIDE-9649?.
[11:32:02] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9649] Timeout problem with JBoss 7.0.1.Final [Open, Major, (JBossAS/Servers), rob.stryker] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9649
[11:33:09] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  the past two bugs regarding 7.x are for m2
[11:33:12] <rawbdor> none of them say affects m3
[11:33:35] <rawbdor> i will try to install m3 from an update site and check its behaviour now
[11:33:41] <maxandersen> rawbdor: so them saying he is running on builds from trunk/M3 ...
[11:33:52] <maxandersen> rawbdor: not typing properly.
[11:34:19] <maxandersen> rawbdor: the guy says he happens in M3 builds (and that is from recent trunk - but trunk haven't been built since me branched)
[11:34:38] <maxandersen> rawbdor: so I would say it thus still happens in our branch unless we somehow fixed it...
[11:35:02] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  seems like its probably the lazy issue
[11:35:06] <maxandersen> rawbdor: and the lazystart flag change could easily explain it - but the forum post is just older than that change AFAIK (please check me on that)
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[11:35:16] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  i was able to replicate 7 and 7.1 not recognizing as started bc of that lazy issue
[11:35:25] <rawbdor> i didn't test in a full enviro, but, it fixed the issue in my dev environment
[11:35:34] <rawbdor> i committed that patch to trunk and branch
[11:36:02] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  it works in my dev environment after the patch at the end of last week
[11:38:48] <maxandersen> rawbdor: so you saw the same behavior reported ? that it starts in the console but says server isn't started because the server osgi poller plugin wasn't started to take care of it ?
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[11:40:04] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  yes i was able to repeat that last week when I brought the issue up to you
[11:40:13] <rawbdor> and it fixed it in my dev environment once i changed the lazy start
[11:40:24] <rawbdor> i did not get a chance to test in a live environment installed via updatesite
[11:40:28] <maxandersen> rawbdor: okey - so we just need to verify on real install.
[11:40:34] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  exactly
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[11:42:17] <maxandersen> ?my only concern/worry is thus that the forum posting is pretty "old" and the lazystart was recent ?. but yes, vveification on real install will help making sure its not a global problelm
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[11:47:24] <rawbdor> maxandersen,   is http://www.jboss.org/tools/download/dev    the proper update site?
[11:47:45] <rawbdor> http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/development/indigo/   ?
[11:47:47] <maxandersen> rawbdor:  no- that is the release site.
[11:47:54] <maxandersen> let me find the staging one for you - two sec.
[11:47:59] <rawbdor> maxandersen, ok thanks
[11:48:09] <maxandersen> in mail from nickboldt
[11:48:46] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  found it i think
[11:48:58] <maxandersen> http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/JBossTools-3.3.0.M3/
[11:53:06] <maxandersen> rawbdor: do you remember if you created an issue for the lazy start/stop you fixed ? want to link the possible duplicate together.
[11:54:14] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  sure did... let me check it
[12:00:47] <maxandersen> (for now i've assigned both issues to M3 to not be forgotten without good cause ;)
[12:02:22] <rawbdor> maxandersen,   https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9607
[12:02:26] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9607] AS7 Managed Service poller does not detect server running [Resolved, Blocker, (JBossAS/Servers), rob.stryker] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9607
[12:03:07] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: any ETA on when N&N for hibernate is done ? and is denis M around in minsk to do the VPE ones ?
[12:04:38] <maxandersen> rawbdor: thanks - linked and you assigned, ok ?
[12:05:11] <maxandersen> ill start working on the final N&N doc in the meantime using the latest M3 spin.
[12:05:30] <rawbdor> k k
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[12:07:39] <nickarls> maxandersen: g'day. is it just me (again) or has there been any changes to the server connectors regarding startup detection? I updated JBT nightly and now my AS7:s are stuck in "Starting..."
[12:08:03] <maxandersen> nickboldt: which updatesite did you exactly using ?
[12:08:14] <dgeraskov> maxandersen: he
[12:08:17] <dgeraskov> hey
[12:08:23] <dgeraskov> maxandersen: all is done
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[12:08:26] <maxandersen> nickarls: rawbdor is currently looking into these.
[12:08:26] <dgeraskov> going to commit
[12:08:33] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: sounds good.
[12:08:47] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  just ran it
[12:08:52] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  works fine from the update site
[12:09:01] <rawbdor> i believe 100% the autostart issue fixed it
[12:09:13] <nickarls> max: http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/nightly/trunk/
[12:09:16] <dgeraskov> maxandersen: I would like someone to review, could you please
[12:09:18] <dgeraskov> ?
[12:09:19] <maxandersen> nickarls: if you try use this staging site (not the final M3) http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/JBossTools-3.3.0.M3/ and tell us if you can reproduce with that then that will be of great help.
[12:09:26] <nickarls> manager service is startup poller
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[12:09:42] <rawbdor> nickarls,  i just right now tested it off the update site max provided
[12:09:43] <maxandersen> dgeraskov: yes, just resolve the issue or assign to me and ill get to it today when creating overall N&N
[12:09:52] <rawbdor> nickarls,  it seems to work 100% with this update site
[12:10:02] <nickarls> staging?
[12:10:08] <rawbdor> nickarls, trunk / nightly builds has not had a build since the branch (this issue still existed at the time)
[12:10:36] <rawbdor> nickarls,  but the update site max just provided should definitely fix the issue
[12:10:38] <nickarls> ok, I have to uninstall JBT or just change updates site or how is it done?
[12:11:23] <maxandersen> nickboldt: the builds are timestamped thus using that updatesite should just overwrite/add to your trunk update since trunk updates are currently waiting for M3 branch to get out.
[12:12:07] <maxandersen> nickarls: ^^ (sorry, damn autonicktabcompletion)
[12:12:33] <maxandersen> nickarls: just take note when installing it actually installs new JBoss server adapter plugins and not just says "already installed"
[12:12:46] <maxandersen> should be "install" or "update" - not just ignore.
[12:14:08] <nickarls> found the updates...installing
[12:17:21] <nickarls> works. thanks.
[12:17:43] <rawbdor> nickarls, wow thanks for verifying!
[12:19:59] <rawbdor> maxandersen, what're your thoughts on today's issue for m3?
[12:22:43] <maxandersen> rawbdor: the regression ? from what I get from the bugreport then its worth a respin if makes redeployments fail more often because deployments arent suspended.
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[12:26:58] <maxandersen> nickarls: yes thanks! sorry for the bleeding edge disturbance ;)
[12:31:21] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  permission to commit the patch to branch?
[12:31:28] <rawbdor> for the != / == issue?
[12:32:59] <maxandersen> rawbdor: did you have the patch? not seeing it...
[12:33:10] <maxandersen> (and fisheye aint loading for me ;(
[12:33:39] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  sec i'll make a patch
[12:39:22] <maxandersen> adietisheim: around !? still not seeing "experimental" being added to the update site?
[12:40:14] <adietisheim> maxandersen: pong
[12:40:27] <maxandersen> morning
[12:40:33] <adietisheim> maxandersen: hmm, just checked on friday, should be in. let me check again
[12:41:32] <nickarls> hopefully the update also fixes the annoying EL-validation that ground my machine to a halt from time to time
[12:41:38] <adietisheim> maxandersen: http://anonsvn.jboss.org/repos/jbosstools/branches/jbosstools-3.3.0.M3/as/features/org.jboss.ide.eclipse.as.server.egit.integration.feature/feature.properties
[12:41:45] <adietisheim> maxandersen: should be in, not?
[12:42:33] <maxandersen> adietisheim: well its not visible https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9651
[12:42:35] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9651] git integration should be makred experimental [Open, Major, (JBossAS/Servers), adietish] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9651
[12:43:25] <adietisheim> maxandersen: hum, was not aware that there was a jira. so I comment and close the jira. ok?
[12:43:52] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  https://issues.jboss.org/secure/attachment/12346846/JBIDE-9650.patch
[12:43:55] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9650] [Regression] - Servers under 7 (6 and below) do not suspend deployment scanner before publishing [Reopened, Blocker, (JBossAS/Servers), rob.stryker] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9650
[12:44:16] <maxandersen> adietisheim: I just opened it because the build is saying it is not there!
[12:44:40] <maxandersen> adietisheim: I just opened it because the latest build does not show experimental on the updatesite
[12:45:04] <adietisheim> maxandersen: hum, what's wrong then? outdated zips?
[12:45:24] <adietisheim> maxandersen: afaik it should be there: http://anonsvn.jboss.org/repos/jbosstools/branches/jbosstools-3.3.0.M3/as/features/org.jboss.ide.eclipse.as.server.egit.integration.feature/feature.properties
[12:45:48] <adietisheim> maxandersen: > featureName=JBossAS Tools Server / EGit Integration (Experimental)
[12:46:27] <maxandersen> adietisheim: I don't know - check the timestamp/build and see if they happend before the build. maybe there is a file somewhere that is being used instead.
[12:46:36] <adietisheim> maxandersen: ok
[12:46:56] <maxandersen> adietisheim: I can just see that the issue is not resolved in the build - please proof me wrong ;)
[12:47:08] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  /s/proof/prove/g
[12:47:12] <adietisheim> maxandersen: ok
[12:47:15] <maxandersen> rawbdor: nazi
[12:48:15] <maxandersen> rawbdor: rawbdor: okey rawbdor I approve the patch but is curious to know if this code was *copied* or it was *moved* ..was the logic duplicated and then mutated or was it moved and now mutated ?
[12:48:45] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  it seems to have been moved. I did find one class with the original == IServer.STATE_STARTED but that method is marked deprecated
[12:49:17] <maxandersen> rawbdor: well marked deprecated doesn't mean much ;) but ok - so this specific logic was  a move.
[12:49:23] <maxandersen> rawbdor: yes - lets get into the respin.
[12:49:38] <maxandersen> into the branch and then a respin will be able to happen.
[12:49:50] <adietisheim> maxandersen: rawbdor: sorry, obviously my fault when refactoring.
[12:50:44] <rawbdor> adietisheim,  no worries... just try to understand all the usecases of what you're touching :)
[12:51:50] <adietisheim> rawbdor: yep, seriously tried, but obviously quite a few slipped through
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[12:52:29] <maxandersen> and what I hope is becoming more and more obvious: keep an eye on the forums - users are using nightly builds and reporting issues that we should react to so Mx's doesn't suck (i.e. the 7.0.1 issue was reported 2-3+ weeks ago
[12:52:38] <maxandersen> adietisheim: rawbdor ^
[12:53:07] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  the 7.0.1 issue worked 2-3 weeks ago and only broke based on the lazy=true change which happened 2 days before I noticed
[12:53:17] <rawbdor> at least thats my recollection
[12:53:19] <rawbdor> perhaps its off
[12:53:48] <maxandersen> rawbdor: well then some other 7.0.1 issue was happening??same result ;)
[12:53:55] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  ok :)
[12:54:14] <maxandersen> and the lazy chance happened more than few days before you noticed it ?..
[12:56:37] <adietisheim> maxandersen: hum, weird, the last successfull artifacts I downloaded from hudson have the "Experimental", too
[12:56:52] <adietisheim> maxandersen: need to investigate further what's wrong
[12:57:29] <maxandersen> rawbdor: http://source.jboss.org/changelog/JBossTools?cs=34224 happened 11 days ago to be exact
[12:57:50] <maxandersen> adietisheim: does the updatesite have the label when you view it in p2 ?
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[12:59:05] <adietisheim> maxandersen: that's what I'm checking now
[12:59:17] <adietisheim> maxandersen: checked the archived artifacts on hudson so far
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[13:07:16] <maxandersen> adietisheim: how come there is a gwt-news 1.1.0.M2 and a gwt-news 1.0.0.M3 ?
[13:09:08] <adietisheim> maxandersen: saw that, too. this definitely is an error.
[13:10:37] <maxandersen> so which is it ?
[13:11:02] <maxandersen> can't be 1.0.x still with all those dependency changes happening?
[13:11:04] <maxandersen> adietisheim: ^ ?
[13:12:59] <adietisheim> maxandersen: so according to you it should have become 1.x.0 instead of 1.0.x?
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[13:14:02] <maxandersen> adietisheim: the GWT 1.0.0 and 1.0.2 aren't compatible in any osgi sense as far as I can see ? their dependencies are very different. so I would say yes they should.
[13:14:35] <rawbdor> maxandersen,   https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9605
[13:14:39] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9605] Runtimes are not configurable (JBIDE-1354) [Open, Major, (JBossAS/Servers), rob.stryker] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9605
[13:14:53] <maxandersen> rawbdor: yup ?
[13:15:08] <rawbdor> um... comment is requesting permission for a two line patch but it didn't seem to paste very well.   :|
[13:15:14] <maxandersen> adietisheim: but that we shouldn't change for M3 since its the same for M2...
[13:15:15] <adietisheim> maxandersen: the plugs are in version 1.0.x. Currently the naming of the old N&N does not match the plugins version. so according to you the plugins version should be lifted and not the old N&N renamed?
[13:15:57] <maxandersen> rawbdor: wasn't this fixed once in M3 before ?
[13:15:58] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  basically i check if a .metadata/.plugins/o.j.i.e.a.c/someFolder exists
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[13:16:00] <rawbdor> and then creates it
[13:16:04] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  no i dont think it was
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[13:16:10] <rawbdor> i just saw the jira and got hte patch done in 5 minutes
[13:16:15] <rawbdor> was just a missing folder in metadata
[13:16:19] <adietisheim> maxandersen: I guess I wanted to lift the plugins version, created the N&N with the new version and forgot to lift the plugins version
[13:16:51] <maxandersen> rawbdor: ah so you just put it on M3 just now ?thats what confused me.
[13:17:23] <maxandersen> rawbdor: so what happens without this patch ? i'm not fully grokking juergen's explanation?
[13:18:07] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  the wizard doesn't work at saving changes
[13:18:12] <rawbdor> er... the preference page
[13:18:17] <rawbdor> bc a critical folder is missing
[13:18:33] <maxandersen> rawbdor: so what happens ? error showng ? button greyed out ? silently ignored (grr!) ? or ?
[13:18:33] <rawbdor> maxandersen,   http://fpaste.org/XaWA/
[13:18:39] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  silent error
[13:18:47] <maxandersen> ffs
[13:19:13] <maxandersen> rawbdor: what is DEFAULT_CLASSPATH_FS_ROOT here ? can't be  constant can it ?
[13:20:43] <maxandersen> rawbdor: but since respin is needed anyway this patch is okey. but the code looks weird to me (using a constant for something that is dependent on dynamic parts of eclipse)
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[13:24:01] <maxandersen> hi Snjeza
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[13:24:35] <maxandersen> Snjeza: looking at the N&N ?the requierment  is an *hotspot* enabled JDK correct ?
[13:24:36] <maxandersen> snj
[13:24:38] <maxandersen> doh
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[13:25:00] <maxandersen> hi snjezana ;)
[13:25:24] <Snjeza> Hello
[13:25:46] 
[13:27:53] <maxandersen> adietisheim: rawbdor: N&N says we support remote AS7 servers -  I assume you mean we support remote accessible via SSH/SCP not just remote as7 servers which would mean using remote management api, correct?
[13:33:01] <maxandersen> adietisheim: about plugins versions - what is important is that the docs matches the reality and that our bundles are versioned properly. That does not seem to have been the case for GWT in jboss tools 3.3.x dev stream. so that should be fixed in M4.
[13:33:02] <Snjeza> maxandersen: the requirement is that JDK includes tools.jar. Java for Mac OS X contains necessary classes within classes.jar.
[13:33:26] <maxandersen> Snjeza: yes, but those are not so much JDK as they are sun specfiic classes right  ? will this work with an openjdk VM ?
[13:33:35] <maxandersen> will it work with an IBM based VM ?
[13:33:45] <maxandersen> a jrockit SDK ?
[13:34:07] <maxandersen> I believe jrockit is not based on hotspot?so doesnt expose these afaik.
[13:34:25] <maxandersen> btw. what happens if those classes aren't there ? hard error or we handle it gracefully ?
[13:37:06] <Snjeza> maxandersen: I have tested sun jdk and openjdk. Will test jrockit and ibm. Can't test java for mac os x because I don't have mac. :(
[13:38:00] <maxandersen> Snjeza:  not critical to test on those - as long as we understand the requirements for the feature - afaik we are using sun specific classes aren't we ?
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[13:40:44] <maxandersen> brb luch
[13:42:08] <Snjeza> maxandersen: the org.jboss.tools.common.jdt.debug.* plugins require sun.jvmstat.monitor.* classes that are loaded using reflection.
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[14:20:25] <adietisheim> maxandersen: ok. so fixing it as soon as M3 is shipped - as I intended to (since N&N are in trunk)
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[14:29:50] <adietisheim> maxandersen: the build on our nightly update site is dated 29.8, the latest successfull build is dated 2.9.
[14:30:15] <adietisheim> maxandersen: do you know how to propagate the build result on hudson to our p2?
[14:31:55] <adietisheim> maxandersen: the latest successful artifacts from our hudson build (2.9.) do have the "Expermiental". the ones on the nightlies update site (29.8.) dont have the extra "Experimental"
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[14:39:10] <maxandersen> adietisheim: put it in the jira with refernces to the specific locations (so they dont get mixed up between staging/trunk builds/locaitons and assign the issue to nick
[14:39:17] <maxandersen> adietisheim: he should be able to answer that.
[14:39:30] <adietisheim> maxandersen: nick, was actually doing that ;)
[14:39:40] <maxandersen> Snjeza: thanks about the true dependency - ill add that into the n&n
[14:39:46] <maxandersen> adietisheim: ?
[14:40:14] <adietisheim> maxandersen: was commenting the jira and assigining to nick when you answered
[14:40:49] <maxandersen> adietisheim: ah - you were doing that, not nick ;) got it - (nickboldt is on labor day today I believe)
[14:41:42] <adietisheim> maxandersen: ah, ok. at least we now that the corrected label is in and it should make it to p2 as soon as nick can tell me how to achieve that
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[15:01:43] <maxandersen> rawbdor: still around?
[15:02:17] <maxandersen> rawbdor: I approved JBIDE-9605, but no answer/followup since then - did you go to sleep ? :)
[15:02:20] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9605] Runtimes are not configurable (JBIDE-1354) [Open, Major, (JBossAS/Servers), rob.stryker] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9605
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[19:17:43] <maxandersen> koentsje: forge is slow to start maan
[19:18:16] <maxandersen> koentsje: i cant seem to use cmd+4 unless I give the forge window focus ?
[19:18:56] <maxandersen> koentsje: ?and can't navigate the list with keys ;( is that known issues/limitations ?
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[19:23:16] <maxandersen> koentsje: too late- created jiras.
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[19:24:29] <koentsje> maxandersen, ok
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[20:07:13] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  ping?"
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[20:21:42] <maxandersen> rawbdor: pong
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[20:22:47] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  was wondering if i should commit that patch
[20:25:38] <maxandersen> rawbdor: which one ? (need some more context now 6+ hours later ;)
[20:25:57] <rawbdor> maxandersen> rawbdor: I approved JBIDE-9605, but no answer/followup since then - did you go to sleep ? :)
[20:26:01] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9605] Runtimes are not configurable (JBIDE-1354) [Open, Major, (JBossAS/Servers), rob.stryker] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9605
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[20:48:01] <maxandersen> rawbdor: so what is there beyond my answers/comment on the issue?
[20:49:00] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  just wanted to know if i need to commit it now or tomorrow is ok
[20:49:21] <maxandersen> well the US'ians are on labor day?like you ;)
[20:49:39] <maxandersen> so can wait for your real tomorrow/my morning ;)
[20:50:21] <maxandersen> the sooner the better, but im not expecting nickboldt to be around before tomorrow to pull in changes.
[20:51:15] <maxandersen> rawbdor: ^
[20:51:46] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  ok sounds good.. im not on labor day;. i worked today ;)
[20:51:58] <rawbdor> but mostly out of boredom
[21:02:22] <maxandersen> rawbdor: go to bed ;)
[21:02:42] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  but its lunch time
[21:03:06] <rawbdor> :d
[21:08:37] <rawbdor> :s
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[21:23:38] <maxandersen> rawbdor: well then commit the patch ;)
[21:23:42] <maxandersen> rawbdor: and I should go to bed
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