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[00:31:09] <mriet> maxandersen, ping? (where does Bob Brodt hang out?)
[00:32:04] <maxandersen> mriet: sometime he is in here
[00:32:08] <maxandersen> others i dont know
[00:32:18] <mriet> ahh, okay, so I'm not looking in the wrong place.. :)
[00:32:43] <mriet> maxandersen, I assume his eclipse.org announcement on soa-tools was public?
[00:33:08] <maxandersen> mriet: yes, the eclipse.org stuff was done a while back
[00:33:24] <maxandersen> mriet: but I just realized it just now and asked bbrodt to let eveyrone know ;)
[00:33:57] <mriet> lol.. cool, I'm going to forward his announcement to jbpm-dev because people there will also want to know it.
[00:34:23] <mriet> maxandersen, btw, I'd gladly help out with jbott python code modifications for codehaus!
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[00:49:08] <maxandersen> mriet: thanks - i've done an attempt today and it kinda works but need to get some sleep
[00:49:13] <maxandersen> but its within reach at least
[00:49:36] <maxandersen> problem is that the supybot supports multiple networks, but meeting bot is "incomplete" in this regard
[00:50:20] <mriet> huh.. and given that jbott is a merge of the two, there are parts that support multiple -- and parts that don't.. Fun problem.
[00:50:37] <mriet> good to hear that's already within reach -- sleep well!
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[09:30:10] <maxandersen> rawblem: morning america!
[09:31:12] <maxandersen> rawblem: just saw your comment on the vm issue - i'm sorry but I didn't get at all what fails and how the vm is now chosen ?
[09:33:09] <rawblem> maxandersen,    um... when you create your FIRST as7 server, it creates the runtime too. The FIRST time you create an as7 server (or if you delete all as7 runtimes and start over) you get to select the home directory and vm
[09:33:36] <rawblem> but if you go to create a second one, the fields are uneditable, similar to how they are for other servers
[09:33:45] <rawblem> the difference is that, with as6 and below, you can create a new runtime
[09:33:51] <rawblem> and select a different vm and config etc
[09:34:03] <rawblem> but with as7, there is no "runtime wizard fragment"... it's empty (merged with the server one)
[09:34:06] <maxandersen> why cant I create another runtime with as7?
[09:34:13] <maxandersen> oh
[09:34:16] <maxandersen> eh
[09:34:28] <maxandersen> this sounds very broken - but I guess that is what you said.
[09:34:33] <rawblem> maxandersen,  because i tried to be slick and merge the runtime and wizard fragments into one
[09:34:46] <rawblem> but i just made that change this past week
[09:34:47] <rawblem> anyway
[09:34:49] <rawblem> i have the patch for it
[09:34:53] <rawblem> it's a simple xml fix
[09:35:12] <maxandersen> ah okey - sounds like something we want into the branch does it not?
[09:35:13] <rawblem> was waiting for your ping to see if i can squeeze it in or not
[09:35:15] <rawblem> yes it does
[09:35:36] <maxandersen> so yes - please create jira, fix for on 3.3 M3 with blocker.
[09:35:40] <rawblem> i'm also waiting for andre because a bug he told me was fixed is not showing as fixed for me and it is irritating me something fierce
[09:35:43] <maxandersen> and then apply.
[09:35:48] <rawblem> sure thing. thanks.
[09:35:53] <maxandersen> which bug?
[09:36:07] <maxandersen> Andre is travelling to France today so wont be online for a while
[09:36:11] <rawblem> crap
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[09:36:31] <rawblem> maxandersen,  basically, the as7 management service is not registered. I spent an hour tracing through and when it gets the service it's null
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[09:36:43] <rawblem> he told me this was fixed but i am not seeing it fixed
[09:37:05] <rawblem> maybe it's my environment
[09:37:07] <maxandersen> lost that message...
[09:37:11] <rawblem> maxandersen,  basically, the as7 management service is not registered. I spent an hour tracing through and when it gets the service it's null
[09:37:14] <maxandersen> what issue was it?
[09:37:40] <rawblem> so stop becomes a hard-terminate.  and management poller doesn't seem to do anything.
[09:37:50] <rawblem> i'm still testing it for other things like 7.0.1 etc
[09:37:50] <maxandersen> eh...
[09:38:04] <rawblem> to see if it was a fix for 7.0.1 that broke 7.0
[09:38:05] <rawblem> or whatever
[09:38:18] <rawblem> hard for me to figure out since i'm not really understanding the service code
[09:38:32] <rawblem> but i'm giving it my best shot
[09:38:42] <maxandersen> okey
[09:39:06] <rawblem> maxandersen,  maybe you can give him a quick call if you have his phone number and mention it to him?
[09:39:17] <maxandersen> I never seen the as7 start/stop work smoothly in this area so i'm bland ;)
[09:39:21] <maxandersen> blind i mean
[09:39:21] <rawblem> ah ok
[09:39:25] <rawblem> gotcha
[09:39:33] <rawblem> i'll keep investigating it.  it worked well for a while, i swear ;)
[09:39:49] <maxandersen> what jira issue is it ? I can call if I can make sense of it ;)
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[09:45:38] <maxandersen> rawblem: ^
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[09:52:41] <rawblem> maxandersen,  can't find the issue right now... but basically was trying to ensure new server type EAP 6.0 worked
[09:52:47] <rawblem> EAP 6.0 being based on as7
[09:53:02] <rawblem> i got about 90% done myself, then said it still doesn't stop, and andre said he fixed it
[09:55:07] <maxandersen> okey - calling him just to hear when he would be "live" again
[09:55:17] <maxandersen> did the other things we talked about yesterday get done?
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[10:28:28] <maxandersen> eh?there is 62 issues left for M3..17 for AS7 ? rawblem are you sure you guys are ready for codefreeze?
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[10:32:40] <rawblem> one of them is an issue from 2007 i've repeatedly tried to close (honoring the WTP's "context root" property) but you've stopped me from closing repeatedly
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[10:32:56] <maxandersen> yes because you are wrong
[10:33:07] <rawblem> maxandersen,  yes but nobody has suggested to me any specific behaviour that should be taken
[10:33:13] <maxandersen> try use it on openshift where the context root is /
[10:33:24] <rawblem> when someone changes the context root property in the wtp tools
[10:33:29] <rawblem> i've suggested that changes the output filename
[10:33:38] <rawblem> but that woudl conflict with the deployment name shit on the deployment tab of the editor
[10:33:43] <rawblem> and that would confuse users
[10:33:56] <maxandersen> changing output filename doesn't make sense
[10:34:02] <rawblem> maxandersen,  exactly
[10:34:10] <rawblem> but nobody has suggested an action that DOES make sense
[10:34:12] <maxandersen> you can't name the file "blank" nor ./
[10:34:41] <rawblem> i at one point suggested we use the wtp's context root property to go in and modify the deployment descriptors
[10:34:44] <rawblem> and that was decided to be invasive
[10:34:58] <rawblem> and that users should have only the unmodified deployment descriptors published
[10:35:20] <rawblem> since hte file in the project would have no context root and we'd be dynamically adding it in before publish
[10:35:23] <rawblem> so that was ruled out
[10:35:24] <maxandersen> another approach is to have the m2e-wtp integration put the context root into the wtp variable so they are in sync.
[10:35:43] <rawblem> maxandersen,  and then what happens when someone changes the wtp one?
[10:35:52] <maxandersen> anyway - not the issue here ;) more talking about the 62 (17 as) issues what to do with them.
[10:36:07] <rawblem> maxandersen,  i'm sure they'll all  be pushed
[10:36:27] <rawblem> according to yesterday's chat, we don't need an openshift express server type
[10:36:28] <maxandersen> rawblem: codefreeze was yesterday - why are they still there then ? :)
[10:36:30] <rawblem> so i can close that one
[10:36:40] <rawblem> maxandersen,  because i'm debugging critical functionality issues.......
[10:37:12] <maxandersen> I dont get why noone on their own says "shit - we still have N issues open for codefreeze - ill need to adjust that or at least raise that on the list"
[10:37:37] <maxandersen> now we can all look at 62 issues and have no idea how close we are to being done.
[10:38:58] <rawblem> well for me it's because "done" is whatever i can get in.  There is no done. Done is when 0 issues exist.
[10:39:06] <rawblem> for me a deadline is just a mark we draw in a sand
[10:39:22] <rawblem> but it doesn't mean the project is any more "done" if i keep the issues opened or move them forward
[10:39:34] <maxandersen> rawblem: yes and you then via jira says what is going to be done and if doesnt make it adjust for it.
[10:39:43] <rawblem> maxandersen,  anyway yeah i get it
[10:39:46] <rawblem> ima go back to debugging
[10:39:47] <maxandersen> rawblem: once there is codefreeze there should be 0 to only a few left.
[10:47:02] <rawblem> maxandersen,  for the record, libor replicates the bug
[10:47:03] <rawblem> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9607
[10:47:07] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9607] AS7 Managed Service poller does not detect server running [Open, Major, (JBossAS), rob.stryker] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9607
[10:47:23] <maxandersen> did the lazy start work or not ?
[10:49:49] <maxandersen> rawblem: ^ ?
[10:52:08] <rawblem> maxandersen,  seems to have worked...
[10:52:15] <rawblem> still testing shutdown etc
[10:58:35] <maxandersen> good
[11:00:29] <rawblem> maxandersen,  requesting permission for those two issues... one the as7 UI and hte other the management poller
[11:01:36] <maxandersen> JBIDE-9607 and ?
[11:01:41] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9607] AS7 Managed Service poller does not detect server running [Open, Blocker, (JBossAS), rob.stryker] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9607
[11:03:00] <maxandersen> if for jbide-9607 its just reverting the lazy start change in commit of JBIDE-9576 then go ahead
[11:03:05] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9607] AS7 Managed Service poller does not detect server running [Open, Blocker, (JBossAS), rob.stryker] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9607
[11:03:06] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9576] Management polling / stop not working for EAP 6.  [Resolved, Major, (JBossAS), adietish] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9576
[11:04:20] <rawblem> maxandersen,  um... the one from the forums. i guess i'll make a jira JBIDE-9609
[11:04:25] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9609] Implementation of new as7 server workflow has severe deficiencies [Open, Major, (JBossAS), rob.stryker] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9609
[11:05:51] <maxandersen> yeah, that one sounds like a must fix
[11:06:05] <maxandersen> could you link it up to the issue done last week that caused it ?
[11:16:18] <rawblem> maxandersen,  um... no real issue "caused" it.  Before this, you could still only make one runtime, and creation of a second server would allow you to edit the details of that previous runtime
[11:16:34] <rawblem> im pretty convinced the forum user is using m2 which legitimately did not have any "vm" choice at all
[11:16:41] <rawblem> so my issue is not the same as his
[11:17:16] <maxandersen> sthought you said you redid this just last week and thats whre things got weird or ?
[11:18:06] <rawblem> maxandersen,  i redid it last week because the previous workflow was just as fucked... i just hadn't noticed
[11:18:18] <rawblem> the initial impl was the "clever" one that had one page for runtime and server
[11:18:22] <rawblem> it was a bad decision from the beginning
[11:18:56] <rawblem> last week i noticed creation of a second runtime had a blank page (workflow error) and that creation of a second server would allow you to edit the details of the first runtime
[11:19:13] <rawblem> so i changed some setEnabled / setEditable() things, but that's it really
[11:20:10] <rawblem> the patch today just changes the xml and renames a class. It allows the as7 server to use the same server page as every other one.
[11:24:27] <maxandersen> rawblem: okey - im okey with that change if you are.
[11:29:04] <fbricon> morning folks
[11:30:07] <maxandersen> morning fbricon - how is jetlag?
[11:30:12] <fbricon> bad
[11:30:21] <fbricon> just woke up
[11:30:37] <fbricon> didn't sleep between 1 and 5am
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[11:34:49] <fbricon> we should never fly eastbound. Continuing westbound around the globe would be easier
[11:48:36] <maxandersen> fbricon: :)
[11:48:48] <maxandersen> fbricon: requires more fuel though
[11:49:05] <maxandersen> rawblem: I <3 my new rob.stryker contact picture
[11:51:17] <fbricon> maxandersen: wanna share?
[11:51:20] <maxandersen> rawblem: this is what shows up on every email/IM/sms/phonecall from you from now on ;) https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Public/robstryker.png?w=6b10e97a
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[11:51:49] <maxandersen> NSFW btw ;)
[11:51:50] <fbricon> maxandersen: 403
[11:51:59] <maxandersen> doh
[11:52:29] <maxandersen> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/558690/robstryker.png
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[11:52:53] <fbricon> LOL
[11:53:16] <fbricon> so typical
[11:54:01] <fbricon> rawblem: is that your room?
[11:54:10] <rawblem> fbricon,  my living room
[11:54:14] <rawblem> my room has a NYC flag
[11:54:17] <rawblem> not an america flag
[11:54:41] <fbricon> awesome
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[12:21:35] <maxandersen> fbricon: can we help Wolfgang ? :) http://community.jboss.org/message/623604#623604
[12:23:36] <fbricon> maxandersen: sure we can. But how?
[12:23:53] <fbricon> I mean, I've got my open-archetype shit
[12:24:05] <fbricon> I planned on doing that
[12:24:27] <fbricon> but should we rather do something under the jboss umbrella?
[12:25:11] <fbricon> maxandersen: ^^
[12:25:15] <maxandersen> good question for the meeting in canada :) I don't really know ;)
[12:25:23] <fbricon> wait what?
[12:25:33] <maxandersen> (no budget so just conf call eventually)
[12:25:38] <fbricon> oh ok
[12:27:38] <fbricon> maxandersen: I should probably come up with an archetype under my brand, then fork it under jboss when we decide to
[12:28:10] <maxandersen> fbricon: if no other good archetype exist we can modify/make good then that sounds like an approach.
[12:28:17] <maxandersen> fbricon: so no other existing out there?
[12:28:43] <fbricon> maxandersen: not that I know of
[12:28:55] <fbricon> but I created https://github.com/open-archetypes/multi-javaee6-archetype some time ago
[12:29:07] <fbricon> just need to actually do it
[12:29:09] <fbricon> :-)
[12:29:14] <maxandersen> :)
[12:30:42] <fbricon> maxandersen: making an empty shell archetype is easy (no CDI) but I don't believe that's what we'd like
[12:30:53] <maxandersen> but yes this topic is something I want to raise with the dan allen, pmuir, lincoln, seam/cdi crowd.
[12:32:13] <fbricon> need to check the jboss archetypes license
[12:32:22] <fbricon> see if I can reuse it
[12:45:11] <fbricon> maxandersen: http://community.jboss.org/message/623973#623973
[12:47:13] <maxandersen> <3
[12:47:24] <maxandersen> fbricon: :)
[12:48:01] <maxandersen> fbricon: btw. ill be really near you the weekend of the 11th but won't be around for non-wife activities.
[12:48:22] <maxandersen> ill be just outside paris 1 hr or so after versailles.
[12:48:35] <fbricon> I live near Versailles
[12:48:47] <fbricon> you're coming there?
[12:48:53] <maxandersen> for real ?
[12:49:02] <maxandersen> thoughht it was on the other side
[12:49:04] <fbricon> yes
[12:49:14] <fbricon> no the town next to it
[12:49:41] <fbricon> I go to the Palace park every now and then
[12:50:19] <maxandersen> the plan is we'll be visiting versailles on the friday and otherwise be around Landelles
[12:50:20] <fbricon> we should definitely meet up
[12:50:55] <maxandersen> I promised no work that weekend ;)
[12:51:40] <maxandersen> so if you by chance are taking your family to versailles on the same day its gonna be tough
[12:52:10] <fbricon> it doesn't have to be work related :-)
[12:52:14] <maxandersen> ;)
[12:52:43] <maxandersen> btw. I need to find a hotel near that place for a single night (thrusday to friday) ?any recommendation that doesn't rip my wallet out and doesn't suck too much.
[12:53:24] <fbricon> near versailles?
[12:58:52] <maxandersen> yes
[12:59:17] <maxandersen> plan is driving near versailles on thursday arrive late and then get up for the day at versailles
[13:02:22] <rawblem> maxandersen,  you asked earlier if the stuff from last night was done. I had committed the commenting out of the egit stuff in trunk
[13:02:27] <rawblem> did not realize branch already occurred
[13:02:32] <rawblem> just checked and made the proper commit to branch as well
[13:03:07] <maxandersen> rawblem: coolio
[13:03:37] <maxandersen> rawblem: so egit commit/push is there but the server types and egit deploy deleagte/method etc is not there?
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[13:05:33] <rawblem> maxandersen, correct
[13:07:12] <maxandersen> rawblem: awesome
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[13:53:04] <maxandersen> after so many years and I still have to google (with no good result) to figure out what updatesite the source for jdt etc. is on
[13:53:10] <maxandersen> fbricon: do you know?
[13:53:19] <maxandersen> previously it was on the release pdatesite but seems gone now
[13:53:28] <fbricon> maxandersen: no
[13:54:11] <maxandersen> cant be true the only way is to isntall an SDK eclipse
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[14:04:13] <maxandersen> found them at http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/updates/3.7
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[20:11:07] <fbricon> maxandersen1: ping
[20:13:08] <fbricon> why do we deploy apps in the AS7 installation by default? Why not under .metadata as usual? Since the user can choose to deploy wherever he wants from the UI, it doesnt' seem to be a technical limitation
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[20:37:39] <akazakov> nickboldt: ping
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