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[00:01:41] <dgolovin> maxandersen: probably, but usage plugin is optional, why does it fail than?
[00:02:16] <maxandersen> dgolovin:
[00:02:39] <maxandersen> dgolovin: optional is a runtime concern; at build time it will always be required since you might have classes that ponts to it.
[00:04:16] <dgolovin> maxandersen: I remember it tycho does'nt even consider optional plugins during compilation, so if you mark plugin as optional and references classes from it, build fails with compilation errors
[00:04:43] <maxandersen> yes
[00:05:46] <dgolovin> maxandersen: so it looks like a problem with metadata in my local repo
[00:08:42] <maxandersen> hopefully ;)
[00:09:01] <maxandersen> can we trigger a full rebuild of trunk on a clean machine ?
[00:09:07] <maxandersen> just to see if everything all good ?
[00:10:07] <maxandersen> gotta crash  - see you tomorrow
[00:10:14] <dgolovin> maxandersen: I guess we need to build target platform to trigger full build
[00:10:39] <dgolovin> maxandersen:  I'll trigger full build, see ya
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[02:01:52] <fbricon_away> akazakov: ping
[02:05:05] <fbricon_away> about JBIDE-9420, I want to emphasize it also occured on eclipse plugin projects, this is not a JSF only issue. Hope that's how you guys fixed it.
[02:05:08] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9420] JBoss Tools creates unnecessary Linked Resources [Resolved, Major, (common), scabanovich] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9420
[02:05:27] <fbricon_away> will check tomorrow
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[02:23:02] <akazakov> fbricon_away: pong
[02:23:19] <akazakov> sorry, missed your ping ;)
[02:23:58] <fbricon_away> np
[02:24:27] <fbricon_away> I should be sleeping anyway :-)
[02:25:05] <akazakov> fbricon_away: it should be fixed for any type of projects
[02:25:17] <fbricon_away> cool
[02:25:35] <akazakov> so, re-open if you face that problem again.
[02:27:38] <fbricon_away> sure
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[10:41:19] <maxipad> dgeraskov: Ive just returned from sports with a bad strained ankle. Can't think right now. Hope I can be back later today to talk about H4.
[10:46:08] <fbricon> maxipad: I feel your pain. Hope it's not that bad
[10:47:16] <maxipad> fbricon: We'll see. Sitting in couch, feet up and silently screaming.
[10:48:15] <maxipad> Just about the worst timing ever.
[10:48:59] <fbricon> indeed
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[10:54:15] <maxipad> Doh.
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[11:01:43] <dgeraskov> maxipad: no problem
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[11:31:15] <rawbdor> anyone here know what we do for logging in jbt?  debug / tracing etc?
[11:31:27] <rawbdor> link to a class / plugin that does it in an organized fashion would be very helpful
[11:38:45] <fbricon> rawbdor: good question. I'm interested too. The JBT maven plugins wrap calls to SomePLuginActivator.getDefault().getLog().log(status) . But I have no idea how standard this is
[11:39:20] <fbricon> m2e uses slf4j
[11:40:32] <fbricon> rawbdor: unrelated question : how do you deploy non JavaEE stuff to a server again? I know it's something related to archives
[11:41:28] <rawbdor> fbricon,  project archives
[11:41:33] <rawbdor> open the project archives view
[11:41:58] <rawbdor> then select a project, in the Project Archives view right-click and add jar
[11:42:03] <rawbdor> then you can add fileset
[11:42:03] <rawbdor> etc
[11:42:45] <rawbdor> fbricon,  as for tracing, there's other API for designating whether something is trace level, debug level, warning, info, etc
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[12:13:05] <myarboro2> y
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[12:17:54] <rawbdor> fbricon,  still awake?
[12:18:07] <fbricon> yeah
[12:18:41] <fbricon> rawbdor: you rock man
[12:18:49] <rawbdor> fbricon,  http://ramblingabout.wordpress.com/2007/10/20/tracing-plug-ins-in-eclipse/
[12:19:07] <fbricon> I managed to deploy an osgi project to as7
[12:20:02] <fbricon> thanks for the link
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[16:40:50] <maxipad> nickboldt: Boing
[16:42:24] <maxipad> nickboldt: Hows your back?
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[17:08:33] <maxandersen> nickboldt: awake?
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[17:20:39] <maxandersen> rruss: yeah so today was a noop day - if I still can't walk normally on monday ill get back to work tuesday (silently ;)
[17:21:06] <rruss> maxandersen: dude, sorry to hear about the ankle
[17:21:32] <maxandersen> rruss: I should just stop trying to do sports - its dangerous ;)
[17:21:33] <rruss> maxandersen: you need to be more careful in those high heels :P
[17:21:46] <maxandersen> rruss: ;)
[17:21:53] <rruss> maxandersen: badmitton?
[17:22:12] <maxandersen> rruss: was a high jump trying to smash out Juha lindfors - great shot; bad landing...
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[17:26:14] <maxandersen> nickboldt: so Ken came back on https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-1712 so yeah for the BPEL plugin we remove that last line
[17:26:18] <jbott> Bug: [JBDS-1712] 4.1 & 5.0 Install metadata/display for users refers to the BPEL editor as having "best effort" support. [Reopened, Major, (SOA Platform), nickboldt] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-1712
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[20:06:14] <nickboldt> maxandersen: and JUST bpel
[20:06:18] <nickboldt> ? that seems odd
[20:06:24] <nickboldt> but so mote it be.
[20:06:39] <maxandersen> nickboldt: its just bpel that changes status
[20:06:55] <nickboldt> ok then.
[20:07:03] <nickboldt> and it stays on Extras for now?
[20:07:44] <maxandersen> that depends on what it would affect moving to main.
[20:08:07] <maxandersen> if we can do it the higher powers  will be happier
[20:08:29] <nickboldt> hmm. I'm not comfortable w/ it, but if dgolovin is happy to make the change, then so be it
[20:08:30] <maxandersen> but you said yesterday that was to dangerous for schedule as far as I understood.
[20:08:41] <nickboldt> yeah, it's more QE testing and possible snafus
[20:09:33] <maxandersen> what would it change for QE?
[20:09:44] <nickboldt> maxandersen: switch to #devstudio, pls
[20:13:23] <dgolovin> maxandersen: nickboldt: should not be a problem if it is on extra site already, just need to add one line into customAssembly.xml and rebuild product
[20:15:57] <nickboldt> dgolovin: ok, if you're good w/ that, then we need a jira w/ a patch and we can do this for PM in time for GA
[20:23:46] <dgolovin> maxandersen: nick: Am I getting it right? we want to have BPEL installed by default in JBDS 4.x, right?
[20:24:14] <maxandersen> dgolovin: didnt we agree on that being too big a QE and doc change at this time ?
[20:24:35] <maxandersen> dgolovin: we are talking about adding the updatesite to main instead of extras
[20:26:20] <dgolovin> maxandersen: then it is a bit more work that I told, but I can handle it
[20:27:02] <maxandersen> dgolovin: are you saying its simpler to include bpel in installer ? im confused ;)
[20:29:09] <dgolovin> maxandersen: for installer it just a mirroring it from extra to product and it is one more call of p2 director during build since we do it for TestNG
[20:30:12] <dgolovin> maxandersen: And it would appear at the same level with JBoss Developer Studio, Test NG and Spring in configuration dialog
[20:30:33] <maxandersen> dgolovin: and how sure are you that would Just Work ?
[20:31:12] * maxandersen not really in mood for too many changes at thus time..
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[20:35:56] <dgolovin> maxandersen: I can test it locally I'm 95% sure it is gonna work, but I don't want more changes ether
[20:37:01] <maxandersen> which one is the simplest/safest of including it in installer or moving from extras to main updatesite?
[20:40:45] <dgolovin> maxandersen: including in installer requires to change only one file and rebuild one project. Looking at what I need to change to make it into update site
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[20:43:59] <dgolovin> maxandersen: to move it requires change extra update site to remove bpel, add bpel in product update site and include it in product feature and then rebuild jbds-updatesite and jbds product.
[20:44:19] <dgolovin> maxandersen: adding is simpler
[20:44:56] <maxandersen> dgolovin: and where will updates to it be ? on main or extras site?
[20:45:10] <dgolovin> maxandersen: on extra
[20:45:36] <maxandersen> can we change/fix that later?
[20:45:40] <maxandersen> dgolovin: ^
[20:47:09] <dgolovin> maxandersen: since p2 doesn't care about where this feature was installed, I say - yes. It just a matter of moving from one update site to another and keep feature Id
[20:48:04] <dgolovin> should it appear as BPEL (Sertified) as we have on Extra or just BPEL as it is in JBT update site
[20:48:10] <dgolovin> maxandersen: ^
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[21:11:50] <nickboldt> dgolovin-afk: I'd prefer having it on Extras site AND installer than Core + Installer
[21:12:07] <nickboldt> seems easier / less churn & burn
[21:12:08] <maxandersen> nickboldt: i think that is what he is suggesting
[21:12:26] <nickboldt> maxandersen: then I'm all for "duplicate BPEL into installer (and keep on Extras)"
[21:12:32] <nickboldt> +100, make it so
[21:13:22] <maxandersen> okey - so lets settle on that. dgolovin-afk you make a patch add it to a new jira and nickboldt reviews and you or he execute it if looks ok ? ok nickboldt ?
[21:15:53] <nickboldt> maxandersen: yes, that works. I have to run out to chiro but will be back and working tonight
[21:33:00] * fbricon needs to find an abstract for an EC presentation ... quick.
[21:33:19] * fbricon is banging his head against the wall
[21:34:52] <maxandersen> fbricon: ? when is the deadline ?
[21:35:04] <fbricon> August 3 for early bird
[21:35:10] <maxandersen> ah
[21:35:38] <fbricon> deadline for all submissions = August 17th
[21:36:37] <fbricon> maxandersen: are you presenting something (I don't remember)
[21:36:40] <fbricon> ?
[21:37:19] <maxandersen> fbricon: yeah i plan to submit two talks
[21:37:42] <maxandersen> fbricon: one about tycho another about JEE 6 and Eclipse
[21:37:49] <fbricon> what length?
[21:38:44] <maxandersen> the "normal" ones ..20-30 minutes ?
[21:39:02] <maxandersen> cant remember what ec europe does this year
[21:41:10] <fbricon> maxandersen: http://www.eclipsecon.org/europe2011
[21:43:50] <fbricon> maxandersen: do you remember how long I talked during F2F?
[21:44:13] <maxandersen> 30+ i believe
[21:44:37] <fbricon> mmm ok. That gives me a reference
[21:45:54] <fbricon> but that was mostly a demo. I guess it takes longer to get to a point then
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[21:54:24] <maxandersen> fbricon_away: http://www.eclipsecon.org/europe2011/sessions/tycho-good-bad-and-ugly
[21:55:34] <fbricon_away> maxandersen: good. I wish I could find a title at least
[21:55:53] <maxandersen> How I made Maven suck less ?
[21:56:20] <maxandersen> Maven and WTP a match now made in heaven?
[21:56:30] <maxandersen> Fred and his toys
[21:56:38] <fbricon_away> LOL
[21:56:40] <maxandersen> fbricon_away: anything ?
[21:57:14] <fbricon_away> need to eat. TTYL
[22:03:52] <maxandersen> fbricon_away: http://www.eclipsecon.org/europe2011/sessions/making-eclipse-love-java-ee-6
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[22:15:24] <maxandersen> welcome back dgolovin
[22:15:29] <maxandersen> ill probably sign off soon
[22:15:38] <maxandersen> but nickboldt and i left some notes ;)
[22:23:57] <maxandersen> dgolovin: nickboldt: signing off for tonight. ill be on email over and probably stuck behind my computer over the weekend because of the strained angle if you need me.
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[22:49:51] <dgolovin> maxandersen: nickboldt: building it locally
[23:42:25] <nickboldt> dgolovin: any luck w/ product rebuild?
[23:42:58] <dgolovin> nickboldt: building locally
[23:43:27] <nickboldt> dgolovin: cool. should be almost done?
[23:43:56] <dgolovin> it passed mirroring at least
[23:43:58] <dgolovin> runDirector:
[23:44:00] <dgolovin>      [java] [p2.director] Installing com.jboss.jbds.bpel.feature.feature.group 1.0.0.v20110729-1525-H962-Final.
[23:44:02] <dgolovin>      [java] [p2.director] Operation completed in 4664 ms.
[23:44:08] <nickboldt> nice
[23:44:19] <dgolovin> and patch is:
[23:44:21] <dgolovin> Index: builders/jbds-all-package/customAssembly.xml
[23:44:23] <dgolovin> ===================================================================
[23:44:27] <dgolovin> +++ builders/jbds-all-package/customAssembly.xml	(working copy)
[23:44:29] <dgolovin> @@ -125,6 +125,12 @@
[23:44:31] <dgolovin>  			<property name="p2.director.installPath" value="${eclipse.base}"/>
[23:44:33] <dgolovin>  		</ant>
[23:44:35] <dgolovin>
[23:44:36] <nickboldt> meanwhile, I get to undo what I did to 4.1 extras site and revert to including
[23:44:37] <dgolovin> +		<ant antfile="${genericTargets}" target="runDirector" inheritAll="true">
[23:44:39] <dgolovin> +			<property name="p2.repo" value="jar:file://${requirement.build.root}/jbds-extra-update/${jbds.extra.build.archive}!/" />
[23:44:41] <dgolovin> +			<property name="p2.director.iu" value="com.jboss.jbds.bpel.feature.feature.group"/>
[23:44:41] <nickboldt> dude. patch in irc?
[23:44:43] <dgolovin> +			<property name="p2.director.installPath" value="${eclipse.base}"/>
[23:44:45] <dgolovin> +		</ant>
[23:44:47] <dgolovin> +
[23:44:49] <dgolovin>  	</target>
[23:44:50] <nickboldt> pastebin! attach to jira!
[23:44:51] <dgolovin>
[23:44:53] <dgolovin>  	<!-- ===================================================================== -->
[23:45:00] <nickboldt> dgolovin: ^
[23:45:24] <nickboldt> I can't review that all mangled in IRC chat :(
[23:46:15] <dgolovin> nickboldt: looks good in my client, nm, I'll attach that to jira
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[23:47:15] <nickboldt> looks fairly good here too, but where is jbds-extra-update being created?
[23:47:29] <nickboldt> do you have a new requirements builder for that?
[23:48:01] <nickboldt> dgolovin: and I think this is mirrored locally outside Hudson in stable location you could use instead of http-getting the zip
[23:48:14] <nickboldt> but that can be tweaked later in 5.0, not 4.1
[23:48:20] <dgolovin> nickboldt: this issue was fixed in 4.x too, so it is initialized before
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[23:50:04] <dgolovin> nickboldt: I don't want change change much in 4.1 ether so lets keep this patch and do it in 5.0
[23:50:18] <nickboldt> +1'd
[23:51:34] <dgolovin> nickboldt: build is downloading EAP 5.1.1 but it should be fine
[23:52:06] <dgolovin> nickboldt: want me to apply the patch ^ in trunk and branch?
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