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[09:10:49] <rawbdor> fbricon,  sup pal? ;)
[09:13:37] <fbricon> fbricon: waking up
[09:14:12] <fbricon> rawbdor: to discover my cat has shit in my room
[09:14:24] <fbricon> awesome
[09:14:29] <rawbdor> yeah! :D
[09:14:36] <rawbdor> thats almost as exciting as me making my first patch to egit
[09:14:50] <fbricon> wow
[09:15:01] <fbricon> your a git pro already
[09:15:08] <rawbdor> ...... no
[09:15:09] <rawbdor> not at all
[09:17:28] <rawbdor> in fact i'm running into a huge issue now... on my cmd line i can git commit adn git push no problem
[09:17:34] <rawbdor> but in eclipse the push fails on an auto failure
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[09:20:27] <fbricon> rawbdor: so you fixed it?
[09:22:00] <fbricon> rawbdor: saw your mail on the server tools lead change. Who's the new guy? still an IBMer?
[09:23:30] <rawbdor> fbricon,  yeah another IBM guy
[09:24:20] <rawbdor> fbricon,  no i didnt fix this issue yet
[09:24:43] <rawbdor> i fixed a smaller issue where if you select 3 files that weren't added to the repo, and go to commit them, they're not auto-selected in the commit dialog box
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[12:20:49] <HoseinPascal> I want to use a "Rule Task" in my JBPM process and upload it to Guvnor , my process works fine until reaches to the Rule Task !!! help me
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[12:25:53] <HoseinPascal> How can i use a RuleTask in my process ?
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[12:44:09] <HoseinPascal> How can i use of ruleflow-group in the Guvnor ?
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[12:50:44] <rawbdor> fbricon,  hit an awesome wall again in egit
[12:50:45] <rawbdor> yay
[12:50:59] <rawbdor> but at least i found a corresponding egit bugzilla
[12:52:26] <fbricon> rawbdor: what happens?
[12:53:02] <rawbdor> fbricon,  egit keeps asking my passphrase... over and over, even though i KNOW its the right phrase
[12:53:05] <rawbdor> i do it from cmd line and it works fine
[12:53:50] <fbricon> rawbdor: awesome
[12:54:14] <rawbdor> fbricon,  says we need jsch 0.1.44
[12:54:14] <fbricon> I don't use it actually, I've been spoiled by the command line
[12:54:21] <rawbdor> i tried that but it didnt hel[p none
[12:54:42] <rawbdor> trying some of the other listed workarounds but not sure what'll happen
[12:54:54] <fbricon> ah yeah jsch 0.1.44 rings a bell
[12:56:20] <rawbdor> had to pull it in from orbitz
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[13:00:18] <rawbdor> fbricon,  wow ok got it to work, but NOT in runtime workbench
[13:00:21] <rawbdor> only if i use the real eclipse
[13:00:36] <rawbdor> sooooo fucking strange
[13:04:02] <fbricon> I spent all my morning trying to figure out why some unit tests fail on my machine when run via tycho locally, when they pass in eclipse and in jenkins w/ tycho
[13:04:10] <fbricon> and I'm still failing
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[13:11:21] <maxandersen> morning guys
[13:11:29] <maxandersen> fbricon: whats the failure?
[13:11:31] <rawbdor> fbricon,  https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/attachment.cgi?id=200437
[13:11:42] <rawbdor> fbricon,  really really strange difference in behaviour
[13:11:49] <rawbdor> top one fails to push, bottom one succeeds
[13:12:03] <maxandersen> hey rawbdor did you see the forum posting about guys loosing console output for AS ?
[13:12:04] <rawbdor> top one is in a regular eclipse workspace, bottom one is in a runtime workbench space
[13:12:15] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  yes i saw it but i've been a little busy at the moment
[13:12:41] <maxandersen> looks like not the same plugins loaded.
[13:12:58] <maxandersen> rawbdor: you picture says the opposite.
[13:13:09] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  eh? i've been debugging stuff
[13:13:10] <rawbdor> glare
[13:13:22] <rawbdor> trying to get this shit to work!
[13:13:25] <rawbdor> dont make me cry
[13:13:28] <rawbdor> i dont want to cry
[13:13:30] <maxandersen> ?
[13:13:36] <rawbdor> me crying would not be beneficial to the project
[13:13:42] * rawbdor is feeling defensive today
[13:13:44] <rawbdor> sniffle
[13:13:52] <maxandersen> the dialogs are different - thus my guess is different plugins
[13:14:39] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  yeah i hear you... but checking installation details seems to show the same plugins
[13:14:47] <rawbdor> at least for jsch
[13:14:54] <rawbdor> which is the one mentioned in the bugzilla
[13:15:03] <rawbdor> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=326526
[13:19:15] <rawbdor> pretty damn strange. heh.
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[13:21:14] <maxandersen> but jsch is just library?.i assume that isnt what is providing the ui...
[13:22:46] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  hmm... so it "might" be relevant that the workspace i have with "some plugins" is actually the egit sourcecode? ;)
[13:22:56] <rawbdor> : duck :
[13:23:05] <maxandersen> probably ;)
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[13:24:02] <rawbdor> heh heh heh
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[13:31:41] <fbricon> rawbdor: not chris (zx) will receive your mail on his redhat mailbox :-)
[13:31:48] <fbricon> *not sure
[13:31:52] <rawbdor> fbricon,  why not?
[13:32:02] <fbricon> rawbdor: he quit
[13:32:10] <fbricon> he's working for twitter now
[13:32:13] <rawbdor> fbricon,  thats cool
[13:32:15] <rawbdor> .............
[13:32:17] <rawbdor> heh
[13:32:28] <rawbdor> somehow i missed that news
[13:32:41] <mriet> koentsje, ping?
[13:32:49] <fbricon> rawbdor: you should use twitter more:-)
[13:32:59] <rawbdor> fbricon,  no i shouldnt
[13:33:00] <rawbdor> ugh
[13:33:39] <fbricon> rawbdor: you can deactivate the location aware feature :-)
[13:34:35] <rawbdor> fbricon,  shush
[13:35:15] <fbricon> heh what did I say?
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[13:41:34] <rawbdor> maxandersen1,  heh so um yeah... seems to be the difference in egit source code, NOT the runtime workbench issue ;)
[13:42:01] <rawbdor> maxandersen1,  did you see my first patch to egit? :D
[13:42:07] <maxandersen1> ?
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[13:42:37] <rawbdor> maxandersen1,  https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=353170
[13:43:24] * maxandersen1 is staying of corporate mail today.
[13:44:43] <maxandersen1> rawbdor: nice - I wonder though if they just try and mimick git command line here...
[13:45:05] <rawbdor> maxandersen1,  for when you click on a project (or folder), sure. That's reasonable
[13:45:07] <maxandersen1> rawbdor: i.e. if i recall git commit <unknowonfile> will be ignored/errored...
[13:45:22] <rawbdor> but if i select two files specifically, i am indicating i want those two files pre-selected in the dialog
[13:45:29] <maxandersen1> but I agree that in eclipse/ui setting this behavior sounds more sane (if you select specific files)
[13:45:41] <rawbdor> anyway yeah was just a first patch for me
[13:45:42] <rawbdor> to get comfortable
[13:46:33] <koentsje> mriet, back from lunch
[13:46:37] <koentsje> i'm listening
[13:46:46] <mriet> koentsje, hey! np..
[13:46:56] <mriet> koentsje, I ran into http://community.jboss.org/wiki/BPMN2ToolsForJBPM5
[13:47:31] <koentsje> mriet, yes? :)
[13:47:42] <mriet> koentsje, do you mind if I update that with info over the bpmn2-eclipse project?
[13:48:16] <koentsje> mriet, no of course not... the page was basically a placeholder for the bpmn2 work i wa doing
[13:48:26] <mriet> koentsje, okay -- did Bob take over that? \
[13:48:41] <koentsje> mriet, but since this has now taken a different course i don't care what's happening with it
[13:48:53] <koentsje> mriet, i assume so
[13:48:55] <mriet> ahh.. okay, so that's what happend.. :/
[13:49:28] <mriet> koentsje, thanks.. goede bekomst. ;D
[13:49:46] <koentsje> mriet, dankjewel en 't zelfde ;)
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[14:05:53] <maxandersen1> we are hiring ;) http://community.jboss.org/en/tools/blog/2011/07/27/jboss-developer-studio-team-is-hiring
[14:05:59] <maxandersen1> know anyone ?
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[14:15:32] <gastaldi> hey all !
[14:15:33] <rawbdor> cool...  but um... nope... sure don't know anyone
[14:15:37] <rawbdor> gastaldi,  howdy! :D
[14:15:56] <gastaldi> wassup ?
[14:16:06] <rawbdor> the sun or the moon, depending on where you are
[14:16:12] <rawbdor> some places have both ;)
[14:16:34] <gastaldi> hehe
[14:16:38] <rawbdor> some also have neither :(  damn cloud cover!
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[14:24:28] <maxandersen1> fbricon: do you know of any tool (preferably command line) that will show the depedency graph for a multii module maven  project ?
[14:24:41] <maxandersen1> fbricon: i.e. dont care about binary dependencies, just inter module stuff..
[14:25:37] <fbricon> maxandersen1: like mvn dependency:tree but only for your project?
[14:25:51] <maxandersen1> fbricon: possibly ;)
[14:26:02] <maxandersen1> let me see what happens when I run that on our tycho project ;)
[14:26:41] <maxandersen1> I basically just want to know the build sequence ?.
[14:26:52] <fbricon> don't forget -Dtycho.mode=maven
[14:28:06] <maxandersen1> ?
[14:28:10] <maxandersen1> why is that needed?
[14:28:56] <fbricon> forget it, you don't need mode=maven
[14:29:25] <fbricon> but I'm not sure it'll work for eclipse plugins
[14:29:35] <fbricon> since deps are declared in the manifest
[14:32:24] <fbricon> maxandersen1: tycho.mode=maven is useful if you don't need/want to wait for p2 resolution, ex. running mvn clean -Dtycho.mode=maven
[14:32:39] <maxandersen1> aah
[14:34:26] <fbricon> dependency :tree works for tycho projects, that's cool
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[14:37:51] <maxandersen1> can you do one in the root ?
[14:37:51] <fbricon> maxandersen1: and if you only want to see the dependencies between your modules, you can filter by groupId : mvn dependency:tree -Dincludes=org.jboss.*
[14:38:11] <maxandersen1> mine doesnt build right now because of version mismatch which is what im trying to fix ;)
[14:38:42] <fbricon> maxandersen1: haven't updated svn since a couple days, let me try
[14:38:50] <maxandersen1> you dont have to update
[14:39:00] <maxandersen1> the overall dep havent changed
[14:40:51] <fbricon> rawbdor: do you know if Dali has nightly built update sites (non-zipped)
[14:41:17] <fbricon> maxandersen1: downloading the internets ...
[14:41:47] <rawbdor> fbricon,  nope haven't seen it...
[14:42:07] <fbricon> suxxor
[14:42:46] <gastaldi> what ? SVN? I thought you guys were on Github also :)
[14:43:09] <maxandersen1> gastaldi: I wish...;(
[14:43:39] <gastaldi> maxandersen1: Is there anything blocking you from do it ?
[14:43:57] <maxandersen1> gastaldi: more github modules than people...
[14:44:12] <maxandersen1> gastaldi: if less modules than people = repo > 1GB
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[14:44:55] <maxandersen1> gastaldi: ?and that we havent found a good way to have tycho/p2 build continously reliably ...
[14:45:02] <gastaldi> hummm
[14:46:00] 
[14:46:35] <maxandersen1> oh and yeah - no known good solution for multimodule projects with git ?at least not when less people than modules ;)
[14:47:41] <maxandersen1> the last one is just that our current build rely on being able to check out "everything" and "submodules" dependent on the build situation?.thus its a big change/lots of work to change
[14:48:20] <maxandersen1> gastaldi: ^
[14:49:05] 
[14:49:40] <maxandersen1> gastaldi: yes, but you are using plain maven dependencies - we are using p2/tycho for which this is not that straightforward ;)
[14:49:49] <gastaldi> ah I see
[14:49:52] <gastaldi> Damn eclipse :)
[14:50:34] <maxandersen1> i.e. there is no notion of a deployable repository and "snapshot" thus it requires some mechnical pieces...
[14:50:44] <gastaldi> hum
[14:50:45] <maxandersen1> well damn osgi I would say ;)
[14:50:49] <gastaldi> hehe
[14:50:57] <maxandersen1> or p2 actually
[14:51:03] <maxandersen1> its p2 being stupid.
[14:51:16] <gastaldi> too bad
[14:51:38] <fbricon> maxandersen1: we already deploy snapshots to p2 repos
[14:52:10] <maxandersen1> fbricon: where ? (i.e. where without some ubercomplex scripts that only run on hudson ? :)
[14:52:35] <maxandersen1> and since tycho timestamp them with local timezone they cant be used by those "behind" the timezone of the build.
[14:52:40] <fbricon> well these scripts do it indeed
[14:52:44] <maxandersen1> since the hudson build will always win...
[14:53:11] <fbricon> tycho 0.13.0-SNAPSHOT fixes that, I use it to build m2e-wtp
[14:53:36] <gastaldi> yaay ! :)
[14:53:40] <maxandersen1> fbricon: yes - and we'll move there Soon(?)
[14:53:57] <maxandersen1> as soon as I fix these versions ;)
[14:53:57] <maxandersen1> taking ages ;(
[14:54:35] <fbricon> maxandersen1: my build failed Failed to execute goal on project org.jboss.tools.ui.bot.ext.test: Could not resolve dependencies for project org.jboss.tools.tests.plugins:org.jboss.tools.ui.bot.ext.test:eclipse-plugin:3.1.0-SNAPSHOT: Could not find artifact org.jboss.tools.tests.plugins:org.jboss.tools.ui.bot.ext:jar:3.2.0-SNAPSHOT in jboss-public-repository (http://repository.jboss.org/nexus/content/groups/public) -> [Help 1]
[14:55:18] <maxandersen1> yeah got that one too ;(
[14:56:17] <maxandersen1> hmm looks like something I could have caused by my commit yesterday but I dont see a build failure mail?weird
[14:56:19] <maxandersen1> fixing..
[14:57:35] <maxandersen1> hmm?.that errror doesnt make sense.
[14:57:49] <maxandersen1> why is it looking in nexus for that...
[14:58:28] <HoseinPascal> How can i use of ruleflow-group in the Guvnor ?
[14:58:31] <HoseinPascal> How can i use a RuleTask in my process ?
[14:58:40] <maxandersen1> HoseinPascal: wrong channel dude ;)
[14:58:48] <HoseinPascal> OK
[14:59:00] <maxandersen1> HoseinPascal: better asked on #drools on irc.codehaus.org
[14:59:09] <HoseinPascal> ok thanks
[14:59:45] <gastaldi> Strange, I am getting a java.util.ConcurrentModificationException when a "JBoss Tools Model Update" is made.
[14:59:55] <maxandersen1> gastaldi: ouch
[14:59:58] <maxandersen1> which version?
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[15:00:11] <gastaldi> http://pastie.org/2279288
[15:00:15] <gastaldi> 3.3.0M2
[15:00:16] <maxandersen1> can you grab the stacktrace and put that in a bug for https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE
[15:00:33] <gastaldi> Sure
[15:00:34] <fbricon> maxandersen1: you're missing an interesting thread on the Core, about the "Organisation name in (Maven) POMs" :-)
[15:00:47] <maxandersen1> gastaldi: it *might* already be fixed - but open a bug anyway ?.i get worried when there are concurrent modificatios ;)
[15:00:59] <maxandersen1> fbricon: dont tease me
[15:04:27] <gastaldi> There you go: JBIDE-9412
[15:04:47] <gastaldi> hum... Seems the Bot is sleeping :P
[15:04:58] <maxandersen1> hmm yeah?checking up onhim...
[15:05:01] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9412] java.util.ConcurrentModificationException in "JBoss Tools Model Update" [Open, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9412
[15:05:11] <gastaldi> nah, there it is :)
[15:05:15] <maxandersen1> ah he is just lazy
[15:05:18] <gastaldi> lol
[15:05:26] <gastaldi> Too much typing I guess :)
[15:05:56] <maxandersen1> gastaldi: so that is happening when you have as7 trunk checked out
[15:05:58] <maxandersen1> ?
[15:06:14] <gastaldi> Yeah
[15:06:20] <maxandersen1> always or just sometimes?
[15:06:24] <gastaldi> Always
[15:06:33] <gastaldi> Humm.. Now I got a java.lang.NullPointerException
[15:06:36] <maxandersen1> gastaldi: could you put your github in there?
[15:06:56] <maxandersen1> and go to Help > Report Problem and attach the generated zip ?
[15:06:59] <gastaldi> http://pastie.org/2279320
[15:07:12] <gastaldi> sure
[15:09:55] <gastaldi> huh, the zip is about 11 MB :P
[15:09:59] <maxandersen1> yeah - push that into theh jira
[15:10:01] <maxandersen1> woot?
[15:10:08] <maxandersen1> you got a big log then ;)
[15:10:20] <gastaldi> ah wait
[15:10:21] <maxandersen1> a very big one even
[15:10:32] <gastaldi> I thought you were talking about my sources :)
[15:10:43] <gastaldi> wait
[15:10:58] 
[15:12:31] <maxandersen1> nono
[15:12:43] <maxandersen1> just the generated log from Help > Report problem
[15:12:51] <gastaldi> yeap, coming right up
[15:13:04] <gastaldi> I restarted my eclipse and cleaned old logs
[15:13:18] <gastaldi> letting it blow now :)
[15:23:28] <gastaldi> Damn, it takes forever to build this workspace :P
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[15:34:24] <gastaldi> But a NPE instead
[15:34:27] <gastaldi> Wonder if they are related
[15:34:47] <gastaldi> Anyway the "Report Problem" zip had an empty log file in
[15:35:00] <gastaldi> So I Attached the stack from the Error Log view
[15:35:12] <maxandersen1> gastaldi: thanks
[15:39:51] <gastaldi> Interesting. There are two warnings on my Error Log
[15:39:53] <gastaldi> NLS missing message: J2EEModuleExportOperation_DestinationFileIsDirectoryError in: org.jboss.ide.eclipse.as.ui.Messages
[15:39:59] <gastaldi> NLS missing message: J2EEModuleExportOperation_ErrorExportingArchive in: org.jboss.ide.eclipse.as.ui.Messages
[15:41:16] <maxandersen1> thats for rawbdor
[15:41:44] <maxandersen1> gastaldi: feel free to report all this :)
[15:41:49] <gastaldi> :) Ok
[15:42:28] <maxandersen1> fbricon: ping
[15:42:54] <fbricon> maxandersen1: poooonnng
[15:42:55] <maxandersen1> fbricon: didnt we say that bundle-version="2.0.0" meant (2.0.0;3.0.0) ?
[15:43:14] <fbricon> no
[15:43:37] <maxandersen1> fbricon: then what ? (2.0.0; ?
[15:43:39] <fbricon> we said 0.14 = (0.14, 0.14]
[15:43:48] <maxandersen1> oh
[15:43:53] <fbricon> (0.14, O.15]
[15:43:58] <maxandersen1> then wtf does this compile ;)
[15:44:32] <fbricon> wait nickboldt gave me an interesting link about this
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[15:45:21] <maxandersen1> its just that I got an as plugin saying org.jboss.tools.tests;bundle-version="2.0.0"
[15:45:31] <maxandersen1> but I only have a 3.2.0 version of that in my ~/.m2
[15:48:19] <gastaldi> JBIDE-9413
[15:48:24] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9413] NLS missing messages [Open, Trivial, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9413
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[15:49:00] <maxandersen1> gastaldi: thanks
[15:49:17] <maxandersen1> fbricon: did you find that link ?
[15:49:23] 
[15:49:35] <maxandersen1> tycho is building against 3.2.0 and not the 2.0.0 version the manifest.mf is pointing to
[15:49:35] <fbricon> maxandersen1: still looking
[15:54:17] <fbricon> can't find anything
[15:54:24] <maxandersen1> welli  I can commit this since 2.0.0 was what the version was last year so can't break it worse than it is ;)
[15:54:38] <maxandersen1> nickboldt: dgolovin: awake?
[15:54:50] <fbricon> maxandersen1: what version is it?
[15:55:15] <maxandersen1> as.archives.integration.test refers to org.jboss.tools.test 2.0.0
[15:55:31] <maxandersen1> but tycho builds/compiles it against my 3.2.0 version of the test plugin
[15:55:37] <maxandersen1> I would expect it to fail
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[15:55:49] <maxandersen1> i'm starting to think that 2.0.0 means minimum 2.0.0
[15:55:54] <maxandersen1> maximum infinity
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[16:01:01] * maxandersen1 is annoyed he can't remember the osgi version matching rules by now..
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[16:05:28] * maxandersen1 is double annoyed he can't find it on google either
[16:07:36] <gastaldi> lol
[16:08:13] 
[16:08:36] <gastaldi> I always thought that the version itself means exactly the version
[16:08:42] <maxandersen1> yes, but it doesnt
[16:08:48] <gastaldi> :P
[16:08:52] <gastaldi> Confusing
[16:09:29] <gastaldi> at least Maven works this way, not quite sure about OSGi
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[16:12:04] <maxandersen1> well maven becomes fun when looking at version ranges ;)
[16:14:01] 
[16:15:22] <fbricon> maxandersen1: why don't you add explicit range to your version?
[16:15:35] <maxandersen1> fbricon: not "my" version
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[16:15:48] <maxandersen1> fbricon: this is just whats in the as build
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[16:19:18] <fbricon> maxandersen1: but can't you change it in the as build?
[16:21:04] <maxandersen1> fbricon: sure but AS is just one of about 10 others having the same problem
[16:21:19] <maxandersen1> so before I change it  I wanted to be sure I understood the exact semantics
[16:21:54] <fbricon> ok
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[16:24:01] <maxandersen1> fbricon: weird cant send privmsg to you
[16:24:21] <maxandersen1> fbricon: about dali - whats the problem ? its installed by defaeult when you install jboss tools btw ;)
[16:24:26] <maxandersen1> or exactly hibernate tools
[16:24:47] <fbricon> maxandersen1: I need to test some fix they did in trunk
[16:25:04] <fbricon> got a nigthtly build update site
[16:25:06] <maxandersen1> fbricon: ah okey
[16:25:08] <maxandersen1> and what fails?
[16:25:19] <fbricon> but the dali shit won't install on my current system
[16:25:46] <fbricon> and I don't want to rebuild an eclipse wtp distro from the ground up
[16:26:04] <maxandersen1> whats the install fail?
[16:26:20] <fbricon> Cannot complete the install because of a conflicting dependency.
[16:26:20] <fbricon>   Software being installed: Dali Java Persistence Tools 2.3.4.v201104192310-7N7UF77FD3wTgcVbmmf0cT (org.eclipse.jpt.feature.feature.group 2.3.4.v201104192310-7N7UF77FD3wTgcVbmmf0cT)
[16:26:20] <fbricon>   Software currently installed: Eclipse XML Editors and Tools SDK 3.3.0.v201102071641-7A78-8DXJRVlHHRC82RFhWaijCYVa6fVckLdoLQh (org.eclipse.wst.xml_sdk.feature.feature.group 3.3.0.v201102071641-7A78-8DXJRVlHHRC82RFhWaijCYVa6fVckLdoLQh)
[16:26:20] <fbricon>   Only one of the following can be installed at once:
[16:26:20] <fbricon>     Structured Source Editor 1.2.2.v201008232126 (org.eclipse.wst.sse.ui 1.2.2.v201008232126)
[16:26:21] <fbricon>     Structured Source Editor 1.2.5.v201106211503 (org.eclipse.wst.sse.ui 1.2.5.v201106211503)
[16:26:21] <fbricon>     Structured Source Editor 1.2.0.v201006030742 (org.eclipse.wst.sse.ui 1.2.0.v201006030742)
[16:26:21] <fbricon>     Structured Source Editor 1.3.0.v201105101529 (org.eclipse.wst.sse.ui 1.3.0.v201105101529)
[16:26:22] <fbricon>     Structured Source Editor 1.2.3.v201102102045 (org.eclipse.wst.sse.ui 1.2.3.v201102102045)
[16:26:22] <fbricon>   Cannot satisfy dependency:
[16:26:22] <fbricon>     From: Dali Java Persistence Tools 2.3.4.v201104192310-7N7UF77FD3wTgcVbmmf0cT (org.eclipse.jpt.feature.feature.group 2.3.4.v201104192310-7N7UF77FD3wTgcVbmmf0cT)
[16:26:23] <fbricon>     To: org.eclipse.jpt.ui [2.3.2.v201008252310]
[16:26:24] <fbricon>   Cannot satisfy dependency:
[16:26:24] <fbricon>     From: Dali Java Persistence Tools - UI 2.3.2.v201008252310 (org.eclipse.jpt.ui 2.3.2.v201008252310)
[16:26:25] <fbricon>     To: bundle org.eclipse.wst.sse.ui [1.1.0,1.3.0)
[16:26:25] <fbricon>   Cannot satisfy dependency:
[16:26:26] <fbricon>     From: Eclipse XML Editors and Tools SDK 3.3.0.v201102071641-7A78-8DXJRVlHHRC82RFhWaijCYVa6fVckLdoLQh (org.eclipse.wst.xml_sdk.feature.feature.group 3.3.0.v201102071641-7A78-8DXJRVlHHRC82RFhWaijCYVa6fVckLdoLQh)
[16:26:26] <fbricon>     To: org.eclipse.wst.xml_ui.feature.feature.group [3.3.0.v201103310011-7H7EFZ-DxumTla66ahfUnHfpsz0u5Z92pU4TxSL]
[16:26:27] <fbricon>   Cannot satisfy dependency:
[16:26:27] <fbricon>     From: Eclipse XML Editors and Tools 3.3.0.v201103310011-7H7EFZ-DxumTla66ahfUnHfpsz0u5Z92pU4TxSL (org.eclipse.wst.xml_ui.feature.feature.group 3.3.0.v201103310011-7H7EFZ-DxumTla66ahfUnHfpsz0u5Z92pU4TxSL)
[16:26:28] <fbricon>     To: org.eclipse.wst.sse.ui [1.3.0.v201105101529]
[16:26:48] <maxandersen1> ah
[16:26:56] <maxandersen1> the wonders of feature packages...
[16:27:18] <maxandersen1> I assume you have WTP bundle installed?
[16:27:24] <maxandersen1> or even the EPP one ?
[16:27:36] <fbricon> using indigo wtp epp
[16:27:45] <fbricon> or javaee
[16:29:10] <maxandersen1> yeah so the EPP and JavaEE dictates the version
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[16:29:18] <fbricon> already lost my day trying to understand why my m2e-wtp has test failures locally (even building a revision that passed on jenkins fail)
[16:29:43] <fbricon> i'm really not in a good mood with all these failures today
[16:29:43] <maxandersen1> fbricon: you should be able to checkout dali source though and build.
[16:29:47] <maxandersen1> fbricon: :)
[16:29:53] <maxandersen1> fbricon: whats the tycho/hudson fail?
[16:31:14] <fbricon> maxandersen1: rebuilding m2e-wtp 0.13.1 with updated provider. 2 unrelated tests fail locally via tycho, not eclipse. And building locally a revision that was already built by jenkins fails too
[16:31:33] <fbricon> and it's driving me mad
[16:31:46] <fbricon> next step is disable thos f* tests
[16:33:30] <maxandersen1> oh that was new?. deltacloud main stuff is versioned at 0.2, but its tests are 1.0.1..
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[17:02:58] <maxandersen1> dgolovin: pong
[17:14:23] <maxandersen1> fbricon: btw i found the reason for yhe build failure you had when running dependency tree
[17:14:46] <fbricon> maxandersen1: goodie
[17:15:07] <maxandersen1> fbricon: when you run that it seems it usees the default maven ordering - and since there are no maven dependecncy info it builds the modules in inclusion order
[17:15:21] <fbricon> maxandersen1: mmm
[17:15:25] <maxandersen1> fbricon: with p2 builds it actually takes p2 metadata into consideration.
[17:15:31] <maxandersen1> fbricon: thus mvn clean install works
[17:15:45] <maxandersen1> fbricon: mvn -Dtycho,mode dependency:tree doesnt
[17:16:14] <fbricon> you mean tycho.mode=maven
[17:16:21] <maxandersen1> yes
[17:16:34] <fbricon> I know but that's not the issue I had
[17:17:00] <maxandersen1> it was...
[17:17:12] <maxandersen1> change the module inclusion order and it should work
[17:17:25] <maxandersen1> at least that solved it for me
[17:17:41] <fbricon> I didn't use tycho.mode=maven
[17:17:49] <maxandersen1> havent committed that yet and just went on quickly after that since wasn't in my critical path ;)
[17:18:16] <fbricon> and p2 couldn't resolve one dependency
[17:18:24] <maxandersen1> yes, doesnt seem to matter - it doesnt listen to p2 ordering anyway for dependencytree apparently
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[17:34:59] <nickboldt> maxandersen1: module inclusion order? you mean like do plugins, then features, then tests, then site?
[17:35:19] <maxandersen1> nickboldt: no the <module> section in pom's
[17:35:47] <maxandersen1> nickboldt: maven resolves the dependencies and build them in the right order normally
[17:35:52] <nickboldt> right... the <module>plugins</module> ... then features, tests, site
[17:36:21] <maxandersen1> but since there is no maven metadata to decide that then for i.e. as plugins build the sequence is "out of order"
[17:36:34] <maxandersen1> doesnt affect tycho builds since it uses p2 metadata to reorder
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[17:38:05] <maxandersen1> nickboldt: btw do you recall what just referencing 2.3.0 in manifest means ?
[17:38:15] <maxandersen1> is it from 2.3.0 and any higher ?
[17:41:17] <nickboldt> "compatible" I think. Thus 2.3.x should be allowed, but not 2.4 or 3.0
[17:41:31] <nickboldt> could also mean 2.3.0.x rather than 2.3.x
[17:42:05] <maxandersen1> so can you tell me how as tests can refer org.jboss.tools.test=2.0.0  and tycho drags in version 3.2.0 of those plugins?
[17:45:59] <nickboldt> "An ?unbounded? version range, such as 1.2, which denotes version 1.2 and all later versions."
[17:46:15] <nickboldt> "A ?half-open? range, such as [1.2,2), which has an inclusive lower limit and an exclusive upper limit, denoting version 1.2.0 and any version after this, up  to, but not including, version 2.0.0. "
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[17:46:24] <nickboldt> "A ?strict? version range, such as [1.2,1.2], which denotes that version and only that version."
[17:46:42] <nickboldt> "If a single version number is used where a version range is required this does not indicate a single version, but the range starting from that version and  including all higher versions."
[17:46:51] <nickboldt> ref: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0m0F2HNqYTAJ:eclipse.org/virgo/documentation/virgo-documentation-3.0.0.x/docs/virgo-getting-started/html/ch01.html+help.eclipse.org+osgi+manifest+version+ranges&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&source=www.google.com
[17:47:45] <maxandersen1> ok so my bad gut feeling were right
[17:47:54] <maxandersen1> so confusing ;)
[17:48:01] <maxandersen1> but now all makes sense
[17:48:09] <maxandersen1> damn our version ranges are a mess ;)
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[17:56:08] <maxandersen1> nickboldt: i finally got the steps for JBIDE-9268 scripted so now it wont be long before its fixed...
[17:56:13] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9268] Align versions across poms on each module [Open, Critical, (Build/Releng, Cleanup), maxandersen] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9268
[17:59:34] <maxandersen1> nickboldt: tptp in trunk ?thats been dead for a while haveit not ?
[17:59:36] <maxandersen1> Snjeza:  ^
[17:59:46] <maxandersen1> Snjeza: any reason to keep tptp in trunk around ?
[18:02:32] <nickboldt> maxandersen1: yes, it got sh!tcanned when we realized there was no TPTP for Eclipse 3.7
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[18:04:51] <Snjeza> maxandersen: we can exclude it until some tptp build for indigo or rat is released.
[18:05:09] <maxandersen1> Snjeza: but isnt TPTP dropped ?
[18:05:14] <maxandersen1> RAT ?
[18:05:23] <maxandersen1> rat is something completely different ?
[18:07:13] <maxandersen1> anyway, JBIDE-9415 now comitted and resolved.
[18:07:16] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9415] remove TPTP from trunk [Resolved, Major, (Cleanup), maxandersen] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9415
[18:07:28] <maxandersen1> less code to worry about ;)
[18:19:13] <Snjeza> maxandersen: rat is a google's profiler. As to tptp see http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php?title=TPTP-PMC-20110308&redirect=no
[18:21:37] <maxandersen1> Snjeza: ok so if they some day resurrect it we can get our tptp module from svn history repo ;)
[18:21:43] * maxandersen1 doubt it...
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[18:38:17] <gastaldi> After I started using 3.3.0M2 for some time, I constantly get PermGen space errors in Eclipse
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[18:38:46] <gastaldi> Or may be related to M2Eclipse usage
[18:39:14] <gastaldi> It occurs when updating the Project configuration with the Force snapshot updates enabled
[18:39:46] <maxandersen1> for a single project or all/many?
[18:39:52] <gastaldi> many
[18:40:03] <gastaldi> All of JBoss AS7 projects
[18:40:09] <gastaldi> :P
[18:40:45] <gastaldi> has anyone reported something like that before ?
[18:40:52] <maxandersen1> gastaldi: okey - so if you dont run out of permgen on a full rebuild, but only when updating config then yeah - probably m2e requiring some additonal memory
[18:41:11] <maxandersen1> its been a while since I 've noticed memory problems so no
[18:41:35] <maxandersen1> (at least in JBT regi ?m2e might have different experience)
[18:41:40] <maxandersen1> maybe fbricon knows
[18:42:29] <fbricon> I must say it's been a while since I ran out of memory
[18:43:10] <fbricon> gastaldi: have you tried using a plain eclipse distro?
[18:43:29] <gastaldi> fbricon: Not really
[18:44:21] <gastaldi> But it coincidentally happens when I update my projects  using M2eclipse
[18:44:35] <maxandersen1> fbricon: note gastaldi is using as7 trunk so his project is larger than "usual" :)
[18:44:46] <gastaldi> yup, 75 projects :)
[18:44:48] <maxandersen1> gastaldi: does upping the memory work ?
[18:45:03] <gastaldi> I think I am already using the top. let me check
[18:45:04] <maxandersen1> gastaldi: well 75 projectes and a s**t load of dependencies ;)
[18:45:05] <fbricon> I've tried 365+ projects once
[18:45:16] <gastaldi> wow
[18:45:22] <maxandersen1> gastaldi: if you can try and hook up jconsole
[18:45:24] <gastaldi> on Windows ?
[18:45:29] <fbricon> yeah pretty much all JBoss tools
[18:45:33] <maxandersen1> gastaldi: then you can see the memory consumption
[18:45:39] <fbricon> no, on fedora
[18:46:13] <fbricon> gastaldi: what are you memory settings?
[18:46:52] <gastaldi> Wait, there is one missing
[18:47:05] <maxandersen1> yes? no permgen ;)
[18:47:08] <gastaldi> :)
[18:47:17] <maxandersen1> you can set that highger afaik ;)
[18:48:21] <gastaldi> hum, but that will only postpone the error
[18:48:34] <gastaldi> because the memory will continue growing I believe
[18:48:45] <gastaldi> the memory consumption
[18:48:59] <maxandersen1> gastaldi: well only if there is a leak
[18:49:14] <maxandersen1> gastaldi: it might be it just need more space to resolve your stuff
[18:49:22] <gastaldi> could be
[18:49:34] 
[18:49:45] <gastaldi> Thanks !
[18:49:46] <maxandersen1> gastaldi: sounds good
[18:50:22] <maxandersen1> gastaldi: one thing you can try is using external maven - that could load some of the memory consumption to external launch instead of inside eclipse ?.
[18:50:26] <maxandersen1> fbricon: ^ correct?
[18:52:12] <fbricon> maxandersen1: I think that works when you run a mvn "cli" build within eclipse, but don't think it has an impact on eclipse builds per se
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[19:12:56] <nickboldt> bfitzpat: maxandersen1: myarboro: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-1712
[19:13:00] <jbott> Bug: [JBDS-1712] 4.1 & 5.0 Install metadata/display for users refers to the BPEL editor as having "best effort" support. [Coding In Progress, Major, (SOA Platform), nickboldt] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-1712
[19:14:03] <myarboro> nickboldt: "but need an answer re: others."
[19:14:05] <myarboro> ?
[19:14:36] <myarboro> is it old tech preview verbiage?
[19:15:15] <bfitzpat> myarboro - yeah, I think that's old verbiage - and I remember it was put there to satisfy somebody's request (perhaps the security folks or support?)
[19:15:35] <myarboro> bfitzpat: so, at this point, our support is actually better than that, ya?
[19:15:41] <bfitzpat> ya
[19:16:02] <bfitzpat> myarboro - I believe the tools are tested/certified at any rate, per our requirements for JBDS 4.1
[19:16:18] <myarboro> not sure why that would be a blocker... just fix it in the next micro?
[19:16:22] <nickboldt> myarboro: so where's the harm in saying "best effort" when the effort is actually "better than best effort?"
[19:16:42] <myarboro> nickboldt: perzactly my thought... okay to underpromise and over deliver
[19:16:57] <bfitzpat> nickboldt - I don't think it hurts anything - but maybe there's a legal reason? no idea - not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV
[19:17:14] <nickboldt> perzactly? is that the bastard half-breed of "precisely" and "exactly?" :P
[19:17:32] <gastaldi> hahaha
[19:17:42] <bfitzpat> is the apocalypse upon us when words are interbreeding willy nilly?
[19:18:12] <maxandersen1> you should do that chat on #devstudio ;)
[19:18:16] <nickboldt> bfitzpat: yes. see also urbandictionary.com for further proofiness
[19:18:31] <bfitzpat> maxandersen1 - already shifted there, thanx
[19:23:06] <fbricon> anyone knows how to define conditions in the enablement section of an extension point?  (http://wiki.eclipse.org/Dali_Project/FeatureDocs/RemovingModuleFacetDependence#ResourceLocator_interface)
[19:23:31] <fbricon> need to check if project has a certain nature
[19:23:50] <bfitzpat> should be a property test for that. let me use my google-fu
[19:24:03] <fbricon> not just a property
[19:24:08] <fbricon> it needs a namespace
[19:24:29] <bfitzpat> http://help.eclipse.org/helios/index.jsp?topic=/org.eclipse.platform.doc.isv/guide/workbench_cmd_expressions.htm
[19:24:48] <bfitzpat> look for "projectNature" as a property test available in the enablement
[19:25:52] <fbricon> awesome
[19:25:56] <fbricon> thx
[19:26:09] <bfitzpat> yay - I'm good for something this week. ;)
[19:27:14] <bfitzpat> <adapt type="org.eclipse.core.resources.IResource">              <test                    property="org.eclipse.core.resources.projectNature"                    value="com.acme.navigator.nature">              </test>          </adapt>
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[20:09:59] <maxandersen1> nickboldt: dgolovin: are you guys able to build gwt on its own from within the gwt directory?
[20:10:15] <maxandersen1> if yes, how ? :)
[20:10:45] <dgolovin> maxandersen1: I haven't checked that at all, I guest it is not working, right?
[20:11:01] <maxandersen1> im not sure if its my setup being wrong or the build...
[20:11:14] <dgolovin> what is the error?
[20:11:38] <maxandersen1> if I do cd gwt; mvn clean install  it fails with not being able to find google dependnency even though the repo is defined in its pom
[20:12:02] <maxandersen1> so before I go looking high and low for anything in my local setup I just wanted to hear if you could actually build it ;)
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[20:12:19] <dgolovin> maxandersen1: it means there are no deps in target platform
[20:13:21] <dgolovin> maxandersen1: but you can build it by includeing missing update sites right into gwt/pom.xml
[20:13:37] <maxandersen1> dgolovin: but its already there
[20:14:35] <dgolovin> maxandersen1: looking
[20:14:35] <maxandersen1> ah doh
[20:14:51] <maxandersen1> I have a mirrorOf .* in my settings
[20:14:55] <maxandersen1> that probably is whats causing it.
[20:15:22] <dgolovin> maxandersen1:  building locally to see if it works without mirroring
[20:16:38] <dgolovin> maxandersen1: meantime I have a question for you about freemarker
[20:16:54] <maxandersen1> dgolovin: shoot
[20:17:18] <dgolovin> maxandersen1: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-8519 seems to be easy to fix, by updating freemarker library included in freemarker plugin
[20:17:22] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-8519] ?floor, ?ceiling and ?round are not recognized by FreeMarker IDE [Open, Minor, (FreeMarker), dgolovin] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-8519
[20:17:30] <dgolovin> maxandersen1: gwt works for me
[20:17:43] <dgolovin> build is finished with no errors
[20:18:10] <maxandersen1> dgolovin: yeah, when I fixed my mirrorOf to just be jbosstools it seem to be going better ;)
[20:19:10] <maxandersen1> about freemarker - if it works by upgrading and other things doesn't break then sure?.the guy who were meant to maintain never showed up ;(
[20:19:47] <maxandersen1> there aren't any tests for it afaik so its a bit of a unknown "area"
[20:20:33] <dgolovin> maxandersen1: there is only dependent and it is hibernate tools, that's why I'm asking
[20:20:56] <maxandersen1> dgolovin:
[20:21:20] <maxandersen1> dgolovin: hibernate tools doesnt depend on it for anything but being installed to edit freemarker templates
[20:21:21] <dgolovin> maxandersen1: I tested entity generation for seam and it seems to work
[20:21:48] <maxandersen1> yes, freemarker plugin isn't used for that afaik
[20:22:15] <dgolovin> maxandersen1: it depends on freemarker bundle and export two packages freemarker.core and freemarker.template
[20:22:30] <maxandersen1> dgolovin: hmm
[20:23:07] <maxandersen1> dgolovin: hibernate tools bundles its own freemarker
[20:23:21] <maxandersen1> where do you see the dependency declared?
[20:23:39] <dgolovin> it is org.hibernate.eclipse
[20:24:03] <maxandersen1> where exactly ?
[20:24:08] <dgolovin> maxandersen1: ah, you're right
[20:24:12] <maxandersen1> im just seeing references to its internal freemarker.jar
[20:24:40] <dgolovin> maxandersen1: right, it was potential matches :(
[20:24:44] <maxandersen1> note, updating freemarker.jar in hibernate tools to the same version might make sense but that should be done via hibernate tools core ;)
[20:25:41] <maxandersen1> dgolovin: btw. I got a question for you ;)
[20:26:03] <maxandersen1> dgolovin: im working on JBIDE-9268
[20:26:07] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9268] Align versions across poms on each module [Open, Critical, (Build/Releng, Cleanup), maxandersen] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9268
[20:26:11] <dgolovin> maxandersen1: probably, but in freemarker it is used to validate template only, so nobody should be affected by updating version
[20:26:21] <maxandersen1> dgolovin: sure
[20:26:38] <maxandersen1> except if they use one of the new functions and it then doesnt work with hibernate
[20:27:08] <maxandersen1> dgolovin: thus if you do the update peleae opne a hibenrate tools issue with the info and ill make a hibernatetools core test run with that updated jar.
[20:27:54] <maxandersen1> dgolovin: about jbide-9268 - I came by vpe module and everything there was almost aligned to 3.2.0 except the .xulrunner feature which is the same as 1.9<something>
[20:27:57] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9268] Align versions across poms on each module [Open, Critical, (Build/Releng, Cleanup), maxandersen] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9268
[20:28:19] <maxandersen1> dgolovin: is there any good reason (i.e. technical limitation) for that to not be versioned the same as vpe ?
[20:28:55] <dgolovin> maxandersen1: you'r right about frremarker, I'll update and open issue for hibernatetools
[20:30:11] <dgolovin> maxandersen1: there is only one reason is to reflect referenced xulrunner version
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[20:33:03] <softcoder> hello, anyone how to get eclipse 3.6 to show all log entries from jboss 5.1 (as it used to do when using 4.x) ?
[20:33:08] <softcoder> the clipse console window
[20:33:38] <softcoder> seems to stop showing stuff after jboss 5.1 binds ports (but continues loggin in files)
[20:35:03] <softcoder> is anyone even here?
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[20:40:52] <dgolovin> softcoder: probably you need to change log level for jboss 5.1
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[20:41:11] <softcoder> can this be done in eclipses server config for jboss?
[20:41:17] <softcoder> in vm args or something?
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[20:41:26] <softcoder> please expand :)
[20:41:44] <maxandersen1> softcoder: please open bug in https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE
[20:41:56] <maxandersen1> softcoder: seen other having issues with this we just havent been able to reproduce it
[20:42:02] <softcoder> maxandersen1, i don't know if this is a bug
[20:42:09] <softcoder> it may be a config issue
[20:42:24] <maxandersen1> softcoder: we just send to the console what jboss sends us so it should be exactly the same as in command line.
[20:42:33] <softcoder> what controls verbosity in the clipse console?
[20:42:53] <softcoder> should i see everything in jboss's files in the eclipse console?
[20:43:33] <maxandersen1> softcoder: nothing - as said, we try and do *exactly* the same as what you would see if running from command line
[20:43:42] <maxandersen1> thus if you see a difference and can reproduce it then its a bug
[20:43:51] <softcoder> i think commandline does same
[20:43:52] <maxandersen1> worthy of being put in https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE
[20:44:58] <softcoder> boot, cluster server... which of these should show in eclipses console?
[20:45:13] <softcoder> i need to understand the 'right' behaviour first
[20:45:30] <maxandersen1> softcoder: eclipse console shows standard out / stadnard error from jboss
[20:45:37] <maxandersen1> nothing less/nothing more
[20:45:53] <maxandersen1> so it sohuld be the same as what the command line launch would/will show
[20:45:56] <maxandersen1> softcoder: ^
[20:46:13] <softcoder> hmmm ok so maybe this is a jboss thing
[20:46:32] <softcoder> i likely need to find out how to push more to the stdout
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[20:53:27] <maxandersen1> dgolovin: so you see no problem of chaning jboss.tools.xulrunner feature to use same version as rest of VPE?
[20:54:01] <dgolovin> maxandersen1: that's correct :)
[20:54:06] <maxandersen1> dgolovin: reason I ask is that I recall something about features being specifically dependent on the archeitcutre or something?
[20:54:20] <maxandersen1> dgolovin: or was that fully limited to mozilla xulrunner plugin/feature?
[20:56:39] <dgolovin> maxandersen1: I don't remember any problems like this related to version numbers
[20:57:33] <maxandersen1> ok :)
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[20:58:20] <maxandersen1> dgolovin: something about the right feature patch/archtiecutre wasnt chosen because the versions werent aligned
[20:58:30] <maxandersen1> but i guess we'll see when i commit it ;)
[21:00:17] <dgolovin> maxandersen1: we sure will :)
[21:01:50] <maxandersen1> done
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[21:09:48] <maxandersen1> softcoder: btw. are you saying that this worked differently before?
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[21:12:38] <softcoder> in jboss 4.x i saw the runtime content of my java app running in jboss
[21:12:42] <softcoder> in 5.1 we do not
[21:13:03] <softcoder> out app did not change.. but we changed the jboss version
[21:13:30] <softcoder> now all dev's cannot see whats going on in the console anymore
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[21:13:52] <maxandersen1> hmm
[21:14:06] <maxandersen1> what content is that ?
[21:14:13] <maxandersen1> I havent noticed missing things?
[21:14:21] <maxandersen1> i see errors and deployment info.
[21:14:32] <maxandersen1> softcoder: anything specific?
[21:15:10] <softcoder> i see absolutely nothing after this:
[21:15:33] <softcoder> [JMXKernel] Legacy JMX Core initialized
[21:16:08] <softcoder> I'm no jobss / eclipse brainiact or anything just trying to figure this out
[21:16:31] <maxandersen1> let me see if i have an as 5.1
[21:16:38] <softcoder> seems like the messages in the console are all preprended with INFO
[21:16:49] <maxandersen1> been a while since I uased as 5.1, been dong mostly eap 5 for it
[21:19:16] <maxandersen1> softcoder: will take a while...
[21:21:21] <softcoder> np, thx a million for looking!
[21:26:08] <maxandersen1> softcoder: havent finished download yet but googled a bit
[21:26:24] <maxandersen1> softcoder: try adding -Djboss.server.log.threshold=ERROR or something
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[22:02:23] <softcoder> info includes error and warnh
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