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[00:25:49] <bfitzpat> :D
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[01:04:49] <Elisha> !!!
[01:05:18] <Elisha> nice addition to m2e is that configuration now has dropdown list with all available options!!!
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[11:01:48] <maxandersen> rawbdor: adietisheim: for you http://community.jboss.org/message/615399#615399
[11:02:20] <adietisheim> maxandersen: yup, read it in the mail thread
[11:02:37] <adietisheim> maxandersen: thanks for verifying
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[11:57:46] <maxandersen> sorry had to run - neighbor got kicked in the head by a horse so I had to drive home to watch the dogs;)
[12:08:41] <rawbdor> ......... um wow
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[12:34:43] <maxandersen> rawbdor: its fine - just a hit near the eye - lots of blood but "just" a cut.
[12:35:57] <rawbdor> well ain't that some shit
[12:42:15] <maxandersen> yup ;)
[12:47:53] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  do you know the required execution environment for as7?  is it java 1.6?
[12:48:45] <rawbdor> nevermind found it
[12:48:51] <rawbdor> Java SE 6 or later (we recommend that you use the latest update available)
[12:48:56] <rawbdor> 	Java SE 7 can be used with JBoss AS 7
[12:49:25] <maxandersen> as7 should use Java6 Execution Environment  as default
[12:50:07] <maxandersen> so if you have java 7 installed it will still choose that, but if you have both java 6 and java 7 it chooses java 6 ?..and if you dont like you can explictly choose another exec env.
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[12:50:16] <maxandersen> just like the other AS's does afaik.
[12:54:15] <maxandersen> rawbdor: JBIDE-9243 looks beautiful - i might have some text change suggestions once I try use it but the intent is beautiful!
[12:54:18] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9243] local servers are not trying to start because it already looks like they are started [Resolved, Blocker, (JBossAS), rob.stryker] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9243
[12:54:31] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  glad you like it ;)
[12:55:01] <maxandersen> and "localhost" is just whatever the host name is correct?
[12:55:18] <maxandersen> and this shows up for any pollers detecting something is already there ?
[12:57:42] <maxandersen> rawbdor: ^
[12:59:18] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  where?
[12:59:34] <maxandersen> rawbdor: your dialog says "localhost"
[12:59:45] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  pulls from server.getHost()
[12:59:56] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  so same value as when you open the server editor and see the host
[13:00:47] <maxandersen> rawbdor: okey - and this is genericly done for all pollers ?
[13:01:02] <maxandersen> just wondering if the poller should provide the "main" warning line.
[13:01:13] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  um... huh?  this is part of the launch process, not the poller
[13:01:34] <maxandersen> rawbdor: yes but its talking to the poller to figure out if there is a potential conflcit does it not?
[13:01:45] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  yes it launches a one-poll check
[13:01:59] <rawbdor> it used to just use web port poller there only, but now it uses whatever the chosen poller is
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[13:02:10] <rawbdor> except for shit like timeout poller
[13:02:35] <maxandersen> rawbdor: so a timeout poller will just always say its not running in this check ?
[13:02:49] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  if its a timeout poller, it will use web poller instead
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[13:03:02] <maxandersen> rawbdor: eh - why?
[13:03:19] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  because timeout poller has absolutely no way to verify if a server is up or down
[13:03:26] <rawbdor> you can't force a timeout poller to do a check
[13:03:41] <maxandersen> rawbdor: yes so it would just have to say "I dont know"
[13:03:41] <rawbdor> you can force jmx, as7 management, web poller:  do a check right now
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[13:03:56] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  there is no 'i dont know' right now... there's up or down
[13:04:37] <maxandersen> rawbdor: okey - so one suggestion I would make is that whatever poller you use to check at startup should be able to render a string that says what it checked.
[13:04:37] <rawbdor> maxandersen,  if 'i dont know' means throw up the dialog, then people using timeout poller would get the dialog every single launch
[13:05:02] <rawbdor> not a bad idea
[13:05:04] <maxandersen> rawbdor: webport, "Found response <hostname>:<httpport>"
[13:05:18] <rawbdor> interesting
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[13:05:32] <maxandersen> jmx "Found JMX response from <hostname>:<jmxport> etc.
[13:05:38] <rawbdor> got it =]
[13:05:46] <rawbdor> can add that in, sure
[13:06:02] <rawbdor> i might also add an 'always do this for this server' to the dialog
[13:06:08] <maxandersen> just so one get a tiny hint what "server may be running" here means ;)
[13:06:15] <rawbdor> yep
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[13:06:31] <maxandersen> so you say "always cancel launch" ?
[13:06:45] <maxandersen> or "always just launch"
[13:07:00] <maxandersen> as long as you remember to provide a "clear all always flags" ;)
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[15:56:05] <maxandersen> dgolovin: nickboldt: pping
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[15:56:18] <dgolovin> maxandersen: pong
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[15:57:24] <maxandersen> hey dgolovin - so the PRD is farily complete now and an ERD is shaping up; but we should get moving on planning out the issues we haven't moved on yet.
[15:58:44] <nickboldt> maxandersen: dgolovin: pong
[15:59:51] * maxandersen is going through new 40 new jiras that havent be triaged ;(
[16:00:00] <maxandersen> ..and that isn't even PRD stuff ;)
[16:00:12] <nickboldt> all of 3.2.1/4.1 looks green except the 4.1 update site build... which is still pending. started 30 mins ago
[16:00:24] <maxandersen> nickboldt: ah ok coolio.
[16:00:31] <maxandersen> so QE will have their present ?
[16:01:11] <maxandersen> dgolovin: nickboldt: from PRD one we haven't talked much about is the portable installer, i.e. one installer, for all OS's.
[16:01:21] <dgolovin> maxandersen: do you want do go through prd/erd issues now or ?
[16:01:24] <nickboldt> if you consider work on the weekend a present, sure :P
[16:01:46] <dgolovin> maxandersen: we did at F2F
[16:01:47] <maxandersen> nickboldt: well present for QE on monday morning.
[16:02:00] <maxandersen> dgolovin: yes but nothing concrete was concluded was it ?
[16:02:29] <maxandersen> dgolovin: did we create a jira or anything ? (didnt find much in my notes)
[16:02:31] <nickboldt> maxandersen: yes, if things are green when updatesite is done, then should have 4.1.0.CR3 in under 3hrs
[16:03:23] <dgolovin> maxandersen: I thought we have it for a long time, I'll find the number
[16:03:59] * nickboldt curses at 4.1 update site build which just died cuz it still can't find com.ning.async-http-client [1.6.3.201106052308]
[16:05:28] <dgolovin> maxandersen: nope there is no issue for that
[16:06:10] <dgolovin> maxandersen: JBDS-1472 is related, but it is different story
[16:06:14] <jbott> Feature Request: [JBDS-1472] Add precofigured p2 remote installer to product build results page [Open, Major, (installer, P2 Enabled Product), dgolovin] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-1472
[16:06:23] <dgolovin> maxandersen: I'll create one
[16:06:25] <maxandersen> what the heck is com.ning.async ?
[16:06:45] <maxandersen> dgolovin: put the link for it in the PRD or let me know the ID and I will
[16:07:14] <maxandersen> myarboro is going through the PRD today ( i believe) and create/updates the related jiras so we got at least one for each RD
[16:07:20] <maxandersen> PRD item i mean.
[16:09:24] <myarboro> yep, will do
[16:09:27] <maxandersen> nickboldt: dgolovin: since ill be gone in august I want to get those jira's triaged and enough commented to let dev go on and move forward - at least through august without dependency  on me.
[16:09:28] <myarboro> but, by end of day
[16:09:33] <maxandersen> myarboro: sure
[16:09:39] <myarboro> (may be a couple of hours)
[16:09:59] <maxandersen> myarboro: there might just be a few jiras already waiting for you so the only thing you might want to do is to update it to follow your pattern or link to them.
[16:18:39] <nickboldt> maxandersen: ning is a req for m2e 1.0; wasn't needed for 0.12
[16:18:55] <maxandersen> nickboldt: dgolovin: so reason for syncing with you today was to let you know that - that ill be gone in august and we need the PRD/ERD cleared and delegated out before I leave. and I need your help for that ;)
[16:18:59] <nickboldt> maxandersen: gone the whole month?
[16:20:21] <maxandersen> nickboldt: most of it.
[16:20:43] <nickboldt> maxandersen: ok. prd/erd in googledoc spreadsheet?
[16:20:47] <maxandersen> nickboldt: i might be in/back a few days to follow up on a few items.
[16:20:58] <maxandersen> nickboldt: yes - but it will "move" soon.
[16:21:04] <nickboldt> move?
[16:21:08] <maxandersen> to 2 pdfs + jira
[16:21:24] <nickboldt> isn't most of it already in jira?
[16:21:44] <maxandersen> nickboldt: very few of the issues have jira issues
[16:21:59] <maxandersen> for now I only see Yahor/VPE having covered his.
[16:22:02] <nickboldt> all (most) of the ones for me had jiras
[16:22:26] <nickboldt> prolly helps that I was on the prd review calls and created 'em while people were talking :)
[16:22:31] <maxandersen> so now myarboro will create "filler" jiras and ill assign/hunt them down ;)
[16:22:44] <maxandersen> nickboldt: sounds good then ;)
[16:23:57] <maxandersen> but yes,s ome have some dont
[16:24:00] <dgolovin> maxandersen: JBDS-1718 for one installer
[16:24:04] <jbott> Feature Request: [JBDS-1718] One installer for all supported platforms [Open, Major, (installer), dgolovin] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-1718
[16:24:12] <maxandersen> and i need to find owners for those that are unowned yet ;)
[16:25:08] <maxandersen> dgolovin: okey added ;)
[16:26:52] <maxandersen> bfitzpat: jbide-9322 ?what fix version should that get ?
[16:26:57] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9322] Smooks Editor - Error creating Input Model from Sample Model Data. Error: "Error build project classpath." [Open, Major, (smooks), tfennelly] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9322
[16:27:06] <bfitzpat> looking
[16:28:08] <bfitzpat> bumping to 3.3.x for now - 'cause I don't know when Tom will have time to fix it
[16:28:19] <maxandersen> bfitzpat: ok
[16:28:27] <bfitzpat> we need to do some serious triage :(
[16:28:40] <bfitzpat> we being "me" most likely.
[16:28:54] <bfitzpat> saw you're going through a bunch of JIRAs though, so thanks
[16:29:07] <maxandersen> bfitzpat: I might/probably need your help with PRD/ERD and making sure we got things triaged and prioritized in context of soa - probably mostly soa split stuff.
[16:29:22] <bfitzpat> maxandersen - sure thing
[16:29:26] <maxandersen> bfitzpat: yeah I'm going through my "Problems" folder in jira client ;)
[16:30:42] <bfitzpat> maxandersen - should we create a 3.2.2 target? I already know of one thing we'll have to fix, which will be adding ESB 4.10 as a supported version
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[16:30:58] <maxandersen> bfitzpat: i believe its already there?
[16:31:12] <maxandersen> 4.10 funky
[16:31:30] <maxandersen> it doesnt get identified now ?
[16:31:48] <maxandersen> i.e. I thought we didnt prevent future version usage still in esb ?
[16:31:50] <bfitzpat> you're right - I see it as 3.2.2 already there
[16:31:52] <maxandersen> or is there something ?
[16:32:28] <bfitzpat> well - here's the thing - I don't know what's in ESB 4.10, so I don't know if there are schema/editor changes needed for it beyond any runtime support... but I haven't looked yet. been sucked into BPMN2 visual editor work
[16:32:46] <maxandersen> oh?
[16:32:59] <bfitzpat> helping Bob and Kris out
[16:33:01] <maxandersen> bfitzpat: how is that going ?
[16:33:23] <bfitzpat> maxandersen - um, well - Graphiti is interesting in combination with EMF, let's just put it that way
[16:34:19] <maxandersen> in a good or bad way?
[16:34:49] <bfitzpat> just me wrapping my head around a new framework kind of way - a little rusty in some things - and learning git at the same time has added levels of difficulty
[16:35:13] <maxandersen> ah - at least you learn one proven useful tech ;)
[16:36:10] <bfitzpat> yeah, I'm not complaining... much. ;)
[16:36:20] <maxandersen> bfitzpat: so you want to help move jbtools to git or not worth it ? :)
[16:36:40] <bfitzpat> I'm having issues grokking git, but that's probably just me
[16:36:50] <bfitzpat> I just need to sit down and read the pro git book
[16:38:01] <maxandersen> bfitzpat: one need to read and understand git to use it without pulling hairs.
[16:38:09] <maxandersen> bfitzpat: well worth the time.
[16:38:22] <bfitzpat> yeah - I'm sure it is. just need to get to it. :)
[16:38:48] <maxandersen> bfitzpat: if you just apply "standard svn thinking" to it then you will fall into some dark holes ;)
[16:39:04] <bfitzpat> already there my friend, already there. big, deep holes.
[16:39:33] <bfitzpat> doesn't help me that eGit kind of hides some of what's going on and I don't quite have the process down yet.
[16:39:36] <bfitzpat> but I'll get there
[16:40:32] <maxandersen> bfitzpat: I have one recommendation for you: use command line *first*, tool second.
[16:40:45] <bfitzpat> I keep hearing that - but I'm a UI guy, not a command line guy. ;)
[16:40:45] <nickboldt> maxandersen: +1 to that
[16:41:01] <bfitzpat> so I'm resisting it for some damn reason
[16:41:09] <bfitzpat> anyhoo - I'll figure it out if it kills me
[16:41:43] <maxandersen> bfitzpat: seriously - git is so fast that any UI i've seen is slow in comparison and actually prevent you from understanding what you need understand....
[16:41:44] <nickboldt> bfitzpat: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=en&q=git+workflow+stack+overflow you're not the only one with brain-remapping-from-svn-to-git issues :)
[16:41:57] <bfitzpat> :)
[16:42:31] <nickboldt> maxandersen: for 5.0, are we doing a Beta1 instead of M3, or after it?
[16:42:42] <maxandersen> after
[16:42:45] <nickboldt> ok
[16:43:00] <nickboldt> then JBIDE-9190 set to Beta1 target is reasonable
[16:43:03] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9190] no provider name for org.jboss.tools.forge.feature [Open, Major, (forge), koen.aers] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9190
[16:43:22] <nickboldt> though it's a nearly-no-op change so it should be done sooner not later, but whatevs
[16:46:06] <maxandersen> nickboldt: put that on M3 ;)
[16:46:33] <maxandersen> nickboldt:  JBDS-1696 ?.do you know why there is even a mention of bpel in jbds before len have installed the bpel plugin?
[16:46:37] <jbott> Bug: [JBDS-1696] seemingly irrelevant warning/error thrown when installing JBDS 4 / 5 on Fedora 12 32-bit - can we suppress that? [Open, Major, (installer), dgolovin] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-1696
[16:46:55] <bfitzpat> yeah - that's kind of weird
[16:49:59] <myarboro> maxandersen, dgolovin: are you guys editing JBDS_Master, or only reading?
[16:50:36] <maxandersen> myarboro: 99% reading 1% editing
[16:51:08] <myarboro> maxandersen: i'll probably be editing a bit (splitting requirements into a,b,c and adding jira links)
[16:51:20] <myarboro> maxandersen: so, if it jumps around, that's what the deal is
[16:51:21] <maxandersen> myarboro: alrighty
[16:51:22] <dgolovin> myarboro: even less editing for me
[16:51:26] <myarboro> maxandersen: should not be a problem
[16:51:31] <myarboro> dgolovin: k, thanks
[16:51:35] <nickboldt> awesome. every time I paste a URL into the googledoc it refreshes about 7 times :(
[16:52:26] <nickboldt> myarboro: is there somethning w/ JBDS_Master? keeps refreshing ad nauseum on me when I edit it
[16:52:43] <myarboro> nickboldt: are you candian?
[16:52:45] <nickboldt> correction. SCROLLING makes it refresh too
[16:52:52] <nickboldt> myarboro: I am, eh?
[16:53:03] <myarboro> nickboldt: that's prolly the issue :-)
[16:53:05] <nickboldt> (assuming you mean Canadian)
[16:53:14] <myarboro> ouch!
[16:53:19] <myarboro> case sensitive are we?
[16:53:27] <nickboldt> spelling sensitive too :P
[16:53:28] <myarboro> i spose you want punctuation 2
[16:53:45] <myarboro> ah, "candian" ... i see
[16:53:58] <myarboro> is googledocs behaving now?
[16:55:52] <nickboldt> yes, it's better.
[16:56:07] <nickboldt> maxandersen: JBDS50_210... what's that about?
[16:56:11] <nickboldt> (line 35)
[16:56:48] <maxandersen> looking
[16:57:15] <maxandersen> mylyn jboss?
[16:57:19] <maxandersen> nickboldt: ^ ?
[16:57:30] <nickboldt> yes
[16:57:57] <nickboldt> myarboro: fwiw, I see you and maxandersen are connected to JBDS_Master 3 times each. that seems... wrong
[16:58:21] <maxandersen> nickboldt parallel editing
[16:58:23] <myarboro> diff machines, or diff browser windows on same machine
[16:58:52] <maxandersen> nickboldt: if you go and connect to jira/bugzilla today on default eclipse it shows apache, eclipse and maybe even codehaus.
[16:59:06] <maxandersen> i want to add jboss.org jira and red hat bugilla
[16:59:11] <maxandersen> very simple issue ;)
[16:59:40] <myarboro> maxandersen: wrt to bulk add in jira, can you bulk add a comment (same comment to entire set) ?
[16:59:46] <nickboldt> so... uh... provide a plugin that extends some extension point to provide another couple OOTB connections?
[17:00:08] <maxandersen> myarboro: yes I believe so.
[17:00:18] <maxandersen> myarboro:  might need admin rights for it?want them ?
[17:00:28] <myarboro> sure :-)
[17:00:39] <myarboro> i'll try not to break anything :-)
[17:00:41] <maxandersen> nickboldt: no, just extension point to register ootb connection
[17:01:34] <nickboldt> maxandersen: isn't that what I said?
[17:01:52] <maxandersen> nickboldt: you had an extra level of indirection
[17:02:18] <nickboldt> I assume you want to use an existing mylyn extension point, which would be extended using a new JBT plugin
[17:02:44] <nickboldt> so we need a new plugin to be installed to provide that for the OOTB experience
[17:02:57] <maxandersen> nickboldt: yes
[17:03:21] <nickboldt> would this live under "usage" or a new component?
[17:03:36] <nickboldt> maybe "common" makes sense
[17:03:51] <maxandersen> not usage
[17:04:04] <maxandersen> yes, common maybe with optional dep on mylyn or something
[17:04:08] <myarboro> maxandersen: hey boss, can we create 5.0.0.GA now? i'll make that fix target for the requirements, okay?
[17:04:27] <maxandersen> myarboro: no - they are to be fixed *before* GA :)
[17:05:00] <myarboro> maxandersen: we can always move it in, ya?
[17:05:17] <myarboro> maxandersen: just want to assure they appear in the roadmap until done
[17:05:38] <myarboro> maxandersen: er, how about Beta2?
[17:05:39] <maxandersen> myarboro: put them on 5.0.0.Beta1 and I/we'll get them spread out.
[17:05:43] <myarboro> k
[17:06:07] <myarboro> maxandersen: be aware that some belong to Burr, and if he does not get them done they'll clutter up your jira triage
[17:06:54] <maxandersen> myarboro: well, he gets then to see them be moved of if he can't commit and implement them ;)
[17:07:01] <myarboro> :-)
[17:07:04] <myarboro> on owners...
[17:07:17] <myarboro> for "Dev" make you the owner?  rruss?
[17:07:25] <myarboro> for PM i'll make Burr owner
[17:07:26] <maxandersen> myarboro: you mean assignee ?
[17:07:29] <myarboro> ya
[17:07:36] <nickboldt> maxandersen: this bugzilla extension plugin thing in common -- that's for JBT or just JBDS?
[17:07:49] <maxandersen> myarboro: put unassigned and ill get that in.
[17:08:08] <maxandersen> nickboldt: register jboss.org and red hat bugzilla?
[17:08:09] <maxandersen> jbt
[17:08:23] <nickboldt> maxandersen: cool, just makin' sure before I clutter up JIRA :)
[17:08:25] <myarboro> okay, i'll leave Dev requirements unassigned... Burr gets PM and I may get some odd ones
[17:08:25] <maxandersen> should actually even get that into core eclipse
[17:08:35] <maxandersen> myarboro: all good.
[17:08:40] <myarboro> tx
[17:08:46] <nickboldt> maxandersen: unlikely will that happen
[17:08:58] * maxandersen looks a last time on his "0 unassigned issues" folder in jira...
[17:09:04] <maxandersen> nickboldt: why?
[17:09:14] <maxandersen> nickboldt: apache, codehaus is in there?
[17:09:30] <maxandersen> nickboldt: why wouldnt jboss.org and fedora be added  ? :)
[17:10:25] <maxandersen> myarboro: btw. you are now JBIDE and JBDS BOFH :)
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[17:10:59] <myarboro> Ha! You mean like this???  http://bofh.ntk.net/BOFH/
[17:11:14] <maxandersen> maybe ;)
[17:11:31] <myarboro> well, um, thanks a lot! :-)
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[17:15:21] <nickboldt> maxandersen: *shrug* guess it's not impossible
[17:16:13] <nickboldt> adietisheim: maxandersen: there's a GWT for Eclipse 3.7 avail now
[17:17:01] <adietisheim> nickboldt: maxandersen: yup, absolutely. sorry, had no time so far, back again in a big mess I first need to clean up
[17:17:13] <nickboldt> maxandersen: so... I can pull that down and add it to Indigo comp reqs site, but we still need to sort out the license issue for including it in JBT/JBDS (see JBDS_Master line 22 - JBDS50_0110
[17:17:58] <nickboldt> unless they've moved it from their GoogPL to EPL?
[17:19:34] <maxandersen> nickboldt: oh ? where/when/link ?
[17:20:37] <nickboldt> maxandersen: see JBDS_Master line 22
[17:22:17] <adietisheim> nickboldt: reading you right? you are just guessing that they might have changed licence (or did they?)?
[17:22:34] <maxandersen> they havent changed
[17:22:50] <maxandersen> fun part is that their latest 2.4 beta does not have a 3.7 plugin download link
[17:23:01] <nickboldt> huh?
[17:23:12] <nickboldt> http://code.google.com/eclipse/docs/download.html
[17:23:45] <nickboldt> http://code.google.com/eclipse/docs/install-eclipse-3.7.html
[17:25:18] <nickboldt> http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/eclipse_toolreleases/products/gpe/integration/2.4.0-MS1/3.6/site.xml -- what the heck's a "ms1" version qualifier prefix?
[17:25:48] <maxandersen> milestone 1 ?
[17:25:48] <nickboldt> maintenance-service-1 ?
[17:26:00] <nickboldt> ah. mile-stone. #lame
[17:26:14] <myarboro> maxandersen: question on JBDS50_0030 H4 ...
[17:26:28] <maxandersen> myarboro: yes?
[17:26:35] <myarboro> maxandersen: was that UNCOMMIT as in "may not do" or as in "TBD/NeedInfo" ?
[17:27:22] <maxandersen> myarboro: "may not do"/TBD
[17:27:31] <myarboro> k, tx
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[17:58:19] <maxandersen> nickboldt: why dont you want to make the urls uniform in JBIDE-9266 ?
[17:58:23] <jbott> Bug: [JBIDE-9266] Replace/Extend latestBuild.html with a latest symbolic link [Resolved, Major, (Build/Releng), nickboldt] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-9266
[17:58:36] <maxandersen> nickboldt: why different browser and eclipse urls for our nightly stuff ?
[17:59:00] <nickboldt> maxandersen: build folders are not update sites
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[17:59:03] <maxandersen> nickboldt: you told me my self often to use the ones in build if something failed in the last steps of aggregation?.afaik
[17:59:36] <nickboldt> yes, build is created then copied from builds/ into updates/ so there's a consistent URL for you every time
[17:59:49] <maxandersen> nickboldt: what is http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/builds/nightly/3.2_stable_branch/2011-07-05_10-39-14-H1280/all/repo/ if not a repo ?
[17:59:59] <nickboldt> it's a repo.
[18:00:07] <maxandersen> nickboldt: aka updatesite right?
[18:00:19] <nickboldt> but it's a duplicate of /updates/nightly/3.2_stable_branch/
[18:00:26] <maxandersen> nickboldt: so why not provide latest folder for all the indidivuaol components ?
[18:00:27] <nickboldt> so no need to even look in there
[18:00:41] <nickboldt> because that's a lot of burned disk space
[18:00:54] <maxandersen> nickboldt: what?
[18:00:55] <nickboldt> if people want latest component they can dl the zip or build offline
[18:01:07] <maxandersen> nickboldt: its a symbolilimk - cost nothing
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[18:01:18] <maxandersen> nickboldt: huh ?
[18:01:19] <nickboldt> providing the unpacked folder == more disk
[18:01:52] <nickboldt> also, if you want the latest build for the components, look in builds/staging/<jobname>/all/repo/
[18:02:06] <maxandersen> nickboldt: what ? the unpacked folder is already there
[18:02:16] <maxandersen> this suggestion burns *zero* more bytes
[18:02:19] <maxandersen> well maybe 2 bytes.
[18:02:21] <nickboldt> I think you're asking for something that's not stated in the jira
[18:02:40] <maxandersen> eplace/Extend latestBuild.html with a latest symbolic link
[18:02:46] <nickboldt> the jira asked about replacing a perfectly working generated tiny html file w/ a symlink
[18:02:50] <maxandersen> that is what the jira says..and what im asking for.
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[18:03:21] <nickboldt> we only provide that latestBuild.html for the aggregate builds, not for each of the 40+ components.
[18:03:52] <nickboldt> if you want 40+ symlinks or html redirect files, that's a different request (and kinda pointless since the URLs don't change and people can just bookmark
[18:03:58] <maxandersen> if remove the latestbuild.html with latest/ link it works everywhere.
[18:04:09] <maxandersen> nickboldt: the urls changes constantly.
[18:04:18] <maxandersen> why else is there a latestbuild.html
[18:04:25] <nickboldt> the latestBuild.html hasn't changed since this whole cycle started
[18:04:31] <nickboldt> it's been that way since JBT 3.2
[18:04:39] <maxandersen> nickboldt: what?
[18:04:40] <nickboldt> how is that "constant change?"
[18:04:51] <maxandersen> nickboldt: the url that goes into p2 repo ui
[18:04:58] <maxandersen> nickboldt: I can't put latestBuild.html there
[18:05:07] <nickboldt> that's always been "/updates/nightly/*/"
[18:05:16] <nickboldt> where * = trunk, 3.2_stable_branch, etc.
[18:05:22] <nickboldt> been that way for 2 years
[18:05:42] <nickboldt> because you wanted the latest build in a /updates/ URL, so you got that
[18:06:09] <maxandersen> nickboldt: yes and you told me about 10 times at F2F when I complained about it being confusing or aggregator being unreliable you said one could just use the builds content since they push even before aggregator will fail.
[18:06:12] <nickboldt> it works. it has worked for years. renaming "latestBuild.html" to "latest" doesn't affect the stable copy of the latest nightly build's update site
[18:06:28] <maxandersen> nickboldt: im just suggesting adding latest folder instaed of only in browser relevant lastebuild.html
[18:07:12] <nickboldt> ok, so instead of latestBuild.html pointing at the build folder, you want "latest/" pointing at the build folder's update site
[18:07:46] <maxandersen> yes that is what i'm suggesting - if you want to keep latestbuild.html be my guest - but its redundant when that is there.
[18:07:52] <nickboldt> again, that's a different function. one points at the build output w/ logs and components; the other points at the static copy of the update site which was at some point copied into updates/nightly/trunk/
[18:08:09] <nickboldt> no, it's not redundant. because the build folder contains more than just an update site
[18:08:09] <maxandersen> nickboldt: not following you at all ?
[18:08:18] <maxandersen> nickboldt: yes and ?
[18:08:42] <maxandersen> nickboldt: this is also to be able to have a bookmark or similar to other content in that folder.
[18:08:52] <nickboldt> http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/builds/nightly/trunk/ -- three builds. each containing logs, metadata, update site zips for components, and the unpacked agg site
[18:09:04] <nickboldt> latestBuild.html points at hte newest one
[18:09:39] <nickboldt> you want something like http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/builds/nightly/trunk/latest/ to point at http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/builds/nightly/trunk/2011-07-15_09-08-06-H3167/all/repo/ ? that's the same content as http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/nightly/trunk/
[18:09:45] <maxandersen> and if there was a latest folder link instead one could point to http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/builds/nightly/trunk/latest/components/ instead.
[18:10:13] <myarboro> maxandersen: gotta sec?
[18:10:24] <myarboro> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-1594
[18:10:26] <jbott> Bug: [JBDS-1594] Detail what 3rd party projects should be included in JBDS 5.x [Resolved, Critical, (3rdPartyDependencies, Build, updatesite), nickboldt] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-1594
[18:10:33] <maxandersen> nickboldt: yes but that is just updatesite.
[18:10:47] <maxandersen> myarboro: yes?
[18:10:58] <nickboldt> maxandersen: ok, so instead of just going to http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/builds/nightly/trunk/latestBuild.html and clicking on components folder, you want a bookmark that gets you there with ONE click instead of TWO
[18:10:58] <myarboro> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-1741
[18:11:03] <jbott> Feature Request: [JBDS-1741] JBDS50_0135: [COMMIT] (Dev) Mylyn Connectors (Extra) [Open, Major, (Requirements), Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-1741
[18:11:26] <myarboro> i opened JBDS50_0135 and it relates to already open 1741
[18:11:26] <maxandersen> nickboldt: having a linked folder instead of html makes it easier to navigate and link to from p2 updatesite, links etc.
[18:11:36] <maxandersen> nickboldt: yes
[18:11:43] <myarboro> should i just link 1741 to the requirement jira?
[18:11:55] <maxandersen> myarboro: if you spot such links then yes please.
[18:12:09] <myarboro> k
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[18:12:55] <nickboldt> maxandersen: so ultimately the problem you want solved is that it's too hard to find the components' update sites?
[18:13:33] <maxandersen> nickboldt: yes and that our folders are generally very messy to navigate so this seemed like a nice simple fix that would clean things up a lot
[18:13:50] <nickboldt> maxandersen: for example, you want to see hibernate tools, not the whole JBT nightly. you can go here: http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/builds/staging/jbosstools-3.2_stable_branch.component--hibernatetools/all/repo/
[18:13:57] <maxandersen> nickboldt: plus similar tricks can be used for the "update aggregate site wihtout causing users to not be able to install"
[18:14:03] <nickboldt> or here http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/nightly/3.2_stable_branch/
[18:14:25] <nickboldt> symlinks won't solve the problem caused by an rsync-in-progress
[18:14:34] <maxandersen> nickboldt: I cant browse logs etc in that url
[18:14:49] <maxandersen> nickboldt: huh ? sure it will - we have a jira for that too where we outlined that.
[18:15:23] <nickboldt> maxandersen: exactly. that's a DIFFERENT problem
[18:15:36] <maxandersen> nickboldt: you wont delete the content before the second new one is in place and you do the symlink and boom new site - much less likely hood of conflicts.
[18:15:40] <nickboldt> and yes, you can browse logs in the build folder, but not in the update site folder
[18:15:57] <nickboldt> maxandersen: actually, it's the same.
[18:16:03] <myarboro> maxandersen: done, maybe: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-1741
[18:16:06] <jbott> Feature Request: [JBDS-1741] JBDS50_0135: [COMMIT] (Dev) Mylyn Connectors (Extra) [Open, Major, (Requirements), Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-1741
[18:16:09] <maxandersen> nickboldt: what is same?
[18:16:12] <maxandersen> myarboro: k
[18:16:32] <nickboldt> if at 3:04pm you ping the nightly site and suck down the metadata, then at 3:06pm I replace the site w/ a symlink to a different site, you'll still break
[18:16:48] <myarboro> 1741 - depends - 1594 (is that the right direction for the linkage?
[18:17:02] <maxandersen> nickboldt: no it wont - you added that into the composite site so the old one is still there.
[18:17:14] <maxandersen> myarboro: we dont care
[18:17:19] <myarboro> k
[18:17:20] <nickboldt> whether it's an incomplete rsync in progress, or the site is hotswapped out for a new one, you'll still get errors trying to provision if your cached metadata differs from what's on the actual site. the only real workaround is to pull down a zip and work offline
[18:17:24] <maxandersen> myarboro: the links are bidirectional anyway
[18:17:28] <myarboro> ah
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[18:17:35] <myarboro> like in bugzilla?
[18:17:38] <myarboro> :-)
[18:17:46] <nickboldt> maxandersen: oh... right. ok, that should work. but the point is that symlinks != composite metadata
[18:17:57] <maxandersen> nickboldt: nickboldt: what ? if the old site is still there it doesn't kill me.
[18:18:45] <nickboldt> if you're pointing at the ACTUAL old site, sure. But as soon as I refresh the metadata of teh composite to no longer point at the old one (becauase a new one is avail) then you can't see the old site anymore
[18:18:45] <maxandersen> nickboldt: no, but you need do to rm/link commands remotely for that thing to work and this symlink approach solves that
[18:19:00] <maxandersen> nickboldt: and im simply suggesting making the navigation simpler/consistent.
[18:19:03] <nickboldt> your cache may still work (until the old site's deleted)
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[18:19:32] <maxandersen> nickboldt: yes and that is how p2 works- it doesnt read new metadata while your are updating/installing.
[18:19:34] <nickboldt> every build folder under staging/ is structured the same way. how is it inconsistent?
[18:19:51] <maxandersen> nickboldt: which is where I often get caught in the installation of stuff from nightly build.
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[18:20:15] <nickboldt> every update site under updates/nightly/ is structured the same way too. where's the lack of simplicity?
[18:20:52] <nickboldt> maxandersen: regardless of how we tweak the composite sites, add symlinks, etc.
[18:21:41] <nickboldt> if you poll the site at 3:05pm and pull down metadata saying there's a plugin x.y.z versioned a.b.c.defghj, and while you're installing stuff I remove that site and replace it w/ a.b.c.ghijkl, your install will fail
[18:22:05] <nickboldt> the only way to guarantee your install will always work is if we never delete old nightlies
[18:22:24] <nickboldt> otherwise if you're using the site while I do a delete, you'll fail due to the missing IU
[18:23:01] <nickboldt> I can make the flow a little better, but I doubt we'll ever achieve 100% stable on a nightly site unless we never delete old ones
[18:26:07] <dgolovin> nickboldt: maxandersen: we discussed that, to fix it there should be composite update site not jsut update site
[18:27:34] <dgolovin> nickboldt: maxandersen: upload new version first then add it into composite update site, then remove old version from composite, wait for 24 hours and remove old update site bits
[18:27:43] <nickboldt> dgolovin: right. that will help. but if you ping the composite and see 20110715-1234 as a child nightly build... then while you're reading metadata or installing I blow that away and replace it with 20110715-2323, you're still screwed
[18:28:17] <maxandersen> nickboldt: im not asking about 100% stable, but asked just about not causing 2 out 3 updates to fail.
[18:28:23] <nickboldt> dgolovin: how would you implement the "wait 24hrs" part of the Hudson job?
[18:29:23] <nickboldt> we could filter the composite metadata to show max three updates, or to filter out anything with a timestamp older than (now - 24hs)
[18:29:27] <dgolovin> nickboldt: nope, active update will read composite and follow the real url, it will not read composite again.
[18:30:07] <maxandersen> ok guys I need to run - see you on monday.
[18:30:21] <dgolovin> maxandersen: see you
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[18:35:42] <nickboldt> bfitzpat: maxafk: jpeterka: dgolovin: JBDS 4.1 update site build is blue again after switch to m2e 1.0; product build now spinning. Should be done in 90 mins or so, then I'll push it so it's QE-accessible (moved from nightly/ to development/ URL, as before)
[18:36:00] <nickboldt> myarboro: ^
[18:36:27] <myarboro> nice!
[18:36:35] <myarboro> er, blue is good, ya? :-)
[18:38:02] <bfitzpat> nickboldt - awesome. blue is beautiful. :)
[18:39:28] <nickboldt> myarboro: in Hudson/Jenkins-land, blue balls are good
[18:39:36] <myarboro> :-)
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[18:47:48] <nickboldt> dgolovin: when you moved stuff around in devstudio/trunk/product/* you didn't fix the pom.xml linkages :(
[18:48:27] <nickboldt> I'm guessing the root pom should now include product/, extras/, techpreview/, right?
[18:51:22] <nickboldt> dgolovin: this also makes building harder in Hudson :(
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[18:52:56] <aslak> Snjeza, ping
[18:54:20] <Snjeza> aslak: pong
[18:58:18] <aslak> Snjeza, something is not 100% with the source resolving, not sure why, but i have a half theory
[18:59:08] <aslak> Snjeza, I have a m2e project, where only some of the libs even show up under "Default"
[18:59:47] <aslak> Snjeza, they do show up under the "Maven Dependencies" class container in the project it self
[19:00:50] <aslak> Snjeza, I have the missing Project in my workspace, but they are a different version then the ones included in the Maven Dependencies, so they are refered from the project as just jars.
[19:01:09] <Snjeza> aslak: do you have any reproducible test case?
[19:02:02] <aslak> Snjeza, the theory is along the lines of something going wrong in your source override
[19:02:40] <Snjeza> aslak: for instance, what project do you select and what element is missing?
[19:02:41] <aslak> Snjeza, test case, no, but i know what i have here locally
[19:03:47] <aslak> Snjeza, I have this github.com/arquillian/arquillian-core imported via m2e
[19:04:08] <aslak> and this imported via m2e: github.com/ALRubinger/jboss-as-test-example
[19:04:32] <aslak> when i remote debug the jboss-as-test-example, all the arquillian artifacts are gone from "Default"
[19:05:07] <aslak> jboss-as-test-example depend on Arq 1.0.0.CR1, while the one i have imported in my workspace is 1.0.0.Final-SNAPSHOT
[19:07:10] <Snjeza> aslak: do you have anything else but github.com/arquillian/arquillian-core and github.com/ALRubinger/jboss-as-test-example in the workspace?
[19:07:18] <aslak> lots
[19:07:19] <aslak> :)
[19:07:35] <aslak> half the world
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[19:09:59] <Snjeza> aslak; is Arq 1.0.0.Final-SNAPSHOT included in arquillian-core? If not, how can I import it?
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[19:10:20] <aslak> m2e is set to resolve from workspace, but as far as i remember it validates the version as well. which is why it's not resolving the arq artifacts from workspace in the Maven Dependencies. so my assumption is when you try to override the resolving in Remote Configuration, since it can't be resolved you end up replacing artifact with 'nothing' and in the end removing it completely
[19:10:44] <aslak> Snjeza, arq-core is arq 1.0.0.Final-SNAPSHOT
[19:14:02] <Snjeza> aslak: ok. I suppose that it happens some exception within the m2e classpath provider. I believe, I will be able to reproduce the issue based on your description. Is there any log?
[19:15:27] <aslak> Snjeza, nope
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[19:18:27] <Snjeza> aslak:I have seen your comments within JBIDE-8548 and will fix the issues you described. We need also to enter a bug against m2e related to  the standard remote java application. I will also try to create a patch.
[19:18:30] <jbott> Feature Request: [JBIDE-8548] Support auto discovery of remote processes for debugging [Open, Major, (JBossAS), snjeza] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-8548
[19:22:08] <aslak> Snjeza, great :)
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[19:54:46] <aslak> hmm.. now shift + ctrl + d stopped working..
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