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[14:44:18] <rrva> argh maven repository.jboss.org down.. please, anyone having a mirror? need it for arquillian-jbossas-remote-6 deps
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[15:45:50] <ALR> aslak: 15?
[15:52:20] <aslak> ALR, yea.. #?
[15:52:35] <ALR> aslak: Postponed.
[15:52:41] <ALR> We'll wait for Thomas to be available
[15:52:50] <aslak> aa ok
[15:53:09] <jpederse> then there is time for a quick look at https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SHRINKDESC-52 ;)
[15:53:12] <jbossbot> jira [SHRINKDESC-52] InputStreamDescriptor [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SHRINKDESC-52
[15:53:54] <ALR> Ah yes
[15:53:55] <ALR> This thing
[15:54:05] <ALR> jpederse: So I looked last night
[15:54:08] <ALR> Had some folowups.
[15:54:11] <ALR> *followups
[15:54:45] <ALR> jpederse: Like, What's archiveName?
[15:55:11] <jpederse> jpederse: optional name of the source for the inputstream
[15:55:22] * jpederse is talking to himself
[15:55:23] <ALR> How does that differ from "name"?
[15:55:24] <aslak> ALR, jpederse, just to shoot in.. couldnt this just as well be wrapped in the start of the GenericDescriptor ? the 'import' part is taken care of already via DescriptorImporter etc.
[15:55:39] <ALR> Right, aslak, I'm not quite getting what this buys us.
[15:55:47] <jpederse> ALR: there is no JavaDoc for name - so I don't know what it is / used for
[15:56:02] <ALR> Nevermind that again, I'm a broken record here, this whole thing needs proper design and some docs.
[15:56:31] <jpederse> ALR: if it isn't used internally we can use 'name' and skip archiveName
[15:56:42] <ALR> This all has to be internal
[15:56:47] <ALR> As it's extending from an impl class.
[15:57:01] <ALR> jpederse: What's your use case?
[15:57:13] <jpederse> ALR: trying to port to ARQ-A5
[15:57:33] <aslak> ALR, he wan'ts a shortcut to having to implement a full descriptor
[15:57:36] <jpederse> ALR: I need something for all my xyz-ra.xml / xyz-ds.xml files
[15:57:37] <ALR> I see.
[15:57:37] <aslak> :)
[15:57:45] <ALR> You've got a Stream you want to deploy.
[15:57:51] <jpederse> ALR: yes
[15:57:59] <ALR> This is not the way in IMO.
[15:58:07] <ALR> aslak: We need ArquillianDeployable
[15:58:16] <jpederse> ALR: well, I got Embedded.deploy(Descriptor) in my API
[15:58:31] <ALR> public interface ArquillianDeployable{
[15:58:31] <ALR>   InputStream openStream();
[15:58:31] <ALR>   String getName();
[15:58:43] <aslak> ALR, he has a descriptor he wants to deploy, but no Descriptor
[15:58:58] <ALR> aslak: Then users can put @Deployment on public ArquillianDeployable getDeployment(){}
[15:59:13] <ALR> aslak: ^ See above.  Some way for users to make their own deployables.
[15:59:26] <jpederse> nah
[15:59:40] <ALR> jpederse: Yah.  What you have is not a Descriptor.  You have a Stream.
[15:59:43] <jpederse> I want to build up f.ex. an -ra.xml file and deploy that
[15:59:49] <ALR> And you're trying to abuse it as a deployment mechanism.
[15:59:50] <jpederse> ALR: atm
[15:59:59] <ALR> Exactly.
[16:00:30] <ALR> You wanna deploy something.  Not have a DSL API to work with it.  That Arquillian knows how to deploy Descriptors is another issue. :)
[16:01:04] <aslak> ALR, no, we want a DSL API for it, but to lazy to implement it.. :)
[16:02:05] <ALR> By definition then he doesn't want/need the DSL API for RA XML.
[16:02:09] <ALR> He just wants to deploy it.
[16:02:25] <ALR> We really need a deployment vehicle.
[16:02:45] <ALR> ArquillianDeployable, with InStream and Name
[16:02:49] <jpederse> ALR: I want it - but we don't have time right now to implement it - so we will wait with upgrading ARQ
[16:02:58] <ALR> ShrinkWrapArchiveDeployable could implement it
[16:03:03] <ALR> Same with DescriptorDeployable.
[16:03:25] <ALR> jpederse: Hang on, I'm trying to think of something clever.
[16:03:53] <ALR> Keep in mind if you upgrade Descriptors that may not be compatible w/ ARQ Alpha5
[16:04:08] <ALR> aslak: What do you think of a user-defined deployment impl?
[16:04:15] <ALR> And we just expose the Deployable API?
[16:04:35] <jpederse> ALR: I just need a release with the .api.Descriptor interface and the InputStreamDescriptor
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[16:05:28] <jpederse> ALR: I can put the InputStreamDescriptor in my project if needed
[16:05:49] <ALR> jpederse: Yeah, recommend putting in your project
[16:05:54] <ALR> One sec, Tosi on phone.
[16:06:29] <aslak> jpederse, what's your xsd?
[16:06:55] <jpederse> aslak: schemas... http://docs.jboss.org/ironjacamar/schema/
[16:08:05] <aslak> jpederse, resource-adapters_1_0.xsd or all of them ?
[16:08:11] <jpederse> aslak: all
[16:08:17] <jpederse> aslak: in the end
[16:08:32] <jpederse> aslak: the JCA ones will go back into the descriptor project
[16:08:41] <jpederse> aslak: we will keep our own
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[16:13:16] <ALR> Looks like I'm going to Chicago in June for ARQ and AS7.
[16:13:17] <ALR> Yay.
[16:13:31] <wyer> wooot
[16:13:55] <aslak> ALR, cool, the 3 conference thing?
[16:14:28] <wyer> i want as7 to be awesomeness
[16:14:53] <ALR> aslak: Yeah.
[16:14:58] <ALR> Plus a JBoss user group
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[16:16:05] <aslak> 1 JBUG, 1 JUG, 1 Office and 1 conference :)
[16:16:33] <ALR> Exactly.
[16:16:36] <ALR> Shock and Awe.
[16:19:04] <aslak> ALR, good Chicago bar; http://hopleaf.com/
[16:19:34] <ALR> I LOVE Chicago.
[16:19:37] <ALR> Especially in the summer.
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[17:09:19] <rrva> can I arquillian to test other jms providers than jboss?
[17:09:37] <rrva> can I use old jboss versions embedded in tests (like 4.x) ?
[17:10:09] <aslak> rrva, you can use arq to test any supported AppServer that comes with JMS
[17:10:17] <rrva> great!
[17:10:45] <aslak> rrva, 4.x is not supported yet
[17:11:18] <rrva> ok...
[17:11:54] <rrva> can I put an on version of jboss message provider in the 6.x embedded as which arquillian has examples for?
[17:12:02] <rrva> old version
[17:12:23] <rrva> my test is a about JMS message consumers and messaging providers
[17:12:31] <rrva> not about any other appserver functionality
[17:13:04] <aslak> rrva, which provider are you trying to use?
[17:14:02] <rrva> ibm wmq 6.x and org.jboss.mq (haven't decided on all versions here)
[17:14:14] <rrva> most importantly org.jboss.mq
[17:14:50] <rrva> ibm wmq is much more tricky, the queue provider is not in an app server :(
[17:15:07] <aslak> i'll assume you have a reason for using jboss mq....
[17:15:23] <aslak> if you can get it installe don a jboss 5 or 6, you can use it with arquillian
[17:15:33] <rrva> i'm testing bugfixes for legacy code
[17:16:19] <aslak> ok
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[17:17:41] <rrva> I'm going to follow the JMS example at http://docs.jboss.org/arquillian/reference/latest/en-US/html/examples.html
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[17:18:02] <rrva> however, I need the class under test to be a regular JMS message listener
[17:18:19] <rrva> so all that QueueRequestor help class stuff is not needed
[17:19:02] <aslak> should be doable
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[17:25:17] <rrva> what controls the classpath of the launched jboss as?
[17:25:26] <rrva> so I can fiddle with jms provider jars
[17:25:46] <rrva> .. or maybe thats config of the embedded as and not classpath
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[17:28:13] <aslak> rrva, embedded just starts over a normal JBOSS_HOME, fiddle there and point Embedded to it
[17:31:41] <rrva> ahaa
[17:31:56] <rrva> is jboss maven repo still down?
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[19:41:39] <adriancole> aslak you should let us split your tic -> boston
[19:41:48] <adriancole> I'm in
[19:42:05] <adriancole> I offer manik's bed
[19:42:07] <adriancole> :D
[19:59:39] <aslak> hehe
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[20:11:26] <adriancole> aslak duncan will also pitch in for your flight
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