[00:00:20] <ALR> aslak: What is your motivation for doing this moving now?
[00:00:30] <ALR> Aside from the time you've already invested today doing it?
[00:00:44] <aslak> letting the containers run free
[00:00:58] <ALR> aslak: That's an ideal, not a motivation :)
[00:01:12] <ALR> I don't see we have a reason now to give the containers their own lifecycle...yet.
[00:01:43] <ALR> Like, ultimately we need to be able to release ARQ containers whenever the backing container is released.
[00:01:44] <aslak> i don't want the drag of the containers to weigh down every core release.. and i don't want to rush a core release because some new container has a new release or needs a fix or what not
[00:02:27] <ALR> You might need a BOM
[00:02:36] <aslak> i will have a bom
[00:02:50] <ALR> Else folks are going to have difficulty tracking the release matrix: what's compatible with what.
[00:02:54] <aslak> that's the profile we spoke about
[00:02:58] <ALR> k
[00:03:14] <ALR> I really, really think you're going to make things painful for yourself in release management.
[00:04:07] <ALR> I wonder why containers would drag a core release?
[00:04:30] <ALR> You're in Alpha.  Each release doesn't need to be a big event.  You can push 2 alphas a week if you want, just to get simple new changes in.
[00:05:12] <ALR> aslak: So onto a new topic.
[00:05:15] <ALR> OSGi stuff.
[00:05:17] <ALR> Oh my lord.
[00:05:31] <ALR> They do have some neat stuff I'd like to put into ARQ API
[00:05:35] <ALR> ArchiveDeployer for one.
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[00:05:44] <aslak> ALR, it's in there
[00:05:44] <ALR> It's a simple interface you can inject into the test class
[00:05:47] <ALR> Where?
[00:06:14] <aslak> it's not in there in there, but it's in the plans
[00:06:28] <ALR> Right, I remember we talked about this probably a year ago
[00:06:30] <ALR> It's JIRA'd?
[00:06:40] <ALR> Because I have a (I think working) one here
[00:06:46] <aslak> i have a branch where Client side injection of a Deployer work, working on the communication layer between client and container so we can do incontainer injection of Deployer as well
[00:07:07] <ALR> k, Thomas had built one.
[00:07:14] <aslak> i know, for jmx
[00:07:18] <ALR> Yeah
[00:07:35] <ALR> I'm still sorting through their stuff.
[00:07:51] <ALR> I don't know what compelled them to add whatever the hell they wanted to an ARQ fork API
[00:07:52] <aslak> ARQ-216 ARQ-195
[00:07:54] <jbossbot> jira [ARQ-216] Should be able to communicate between Client and Container [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, Aslak Knutsen] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/ARQ-216
[00:07:55] <jbossbot> jira [ARQ-195] Expose a Deployer API to the TestCase [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, Aslak Knutsen] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/ARQ-195
[00:08:21] <ALR> So I've been working mostly on ARQ/AS7 integration now
[00:08:33] <ALR> With plans to update AS7 to ARQ upstream
[00:08:43] <ALR> May require some interim releases of ARQ.
[00:09:14] <ALR> Like: 1.0.0.Alpha5.prerelease1
[00:09:24] <aslak> when i checked the branch you showed me the other day.. it is based on Alpha4, before the ARQ-370 merge
[00:09:25] <jbossbot> jira [ARQ-370] Merge remote aslakknutsen/the_bigger_picture back into upstream/master [Closed (Done) Task, Major, Aslak Knutsen] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/ARQ-370
[00:09:38] <ALR> They've diverged way too much
[00:09:56] <ALR> Lots of commits they put in that branch would never make it to ARQ proper.
[00:10:04] <aslak> they seem to only have deverged in the jmx packager stuff mostly, which is their stuff to begint wiht
[00:10:14] <ALR> They also added to the API.
[00:10:20] <ALR> They also rely on SW internals.
[00:10:43] <aslak> to get the context, which is available through other means now
[00:10:53] <ALR> So I moved their stuff to AS.
[00:11:03] <ALR> And am refactoring out the rest to make it work with the moved location.
[00:11:26] <ALR> Context SPI is gone, right.
[00:11:28] <aslak> and one of the reasons for putting the Context there, i don't agree with. i believe he wanted access to the TestClass, but i still think that was wrong use of the SPI
[00:11:29] <ALR> I fixed that up alreday
[00:11:47] <ALR> In most cases he's not even using it.
[00:12:16] <aslak> they previously also changed the default behavior of the DeplohymentScenario packager par. so no found @Deployment method would result in a deployment of a Jar with a TestClass. not what core should do
[00:12:39] <ALR> So, just want you to be aware
[00:12:51] <ALR> I may have some upstream stuff for ARQ along these line
[00:12:52] <ALR> *lines
[00:13:08] <ALR> And may also need an interim release at some point.
[00:13:39] <aslak> ALR, sure, work in a branch based on master, and we review as you go
[00:13:42] <ALR> But everything should be done, going forward, kept in sync w/ upstream/master, so I'll keep rebasing as appropriate
[00:13:46] <ALR> Exactly.
[00:14:44] <ALR> aslak: Good talk.  Running out for awhile.
[00:14:55] <aslak> ALR, :) have fun
[00:15:03] <ALR> aslak: Thanks; night. :P
[00:15:11] <aslak> night :)
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