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[00:01:28] <aslak> stuartdouglas, need a a static or similar, but it's not like the JUnit integration isn't full of those already.. good idea.
[00:01:33] <aslak> stuartdouglas, file a jira?
[00:03:24] <stuartdouglas> ARQ-404
[00:03:28] <jbossbot> jira [ARQ-404] Better reporting when Arquillian fails to initialise [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/ARQ-404
[00:03:47] <aslak> thanks :)
[00:05:15] <stuartdouglas> I noticed the other day that ARQ-282 is also a problem for the AS7 managed container
[00:05:16] <jbossbot> jira [ARQ-282] DeployableContainer.stop(Context) never called [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/ARQ-282
[00:05:23] <stuartdouglas> I added a shutdown hook as a work around
[00:06:05] <aslak> stuartdouglas, maven or eclipse?
[00:06:13] <stuartdouglas> maven
[00:06:23] <stuartdouglas> I ditched eclipse the other day :-)
[00:06:29] <aslak> hehe
[00:06:32] <stuartdouglas> I'm an IDEA man now
[00:06:58] <aslak> idea just runs maven ?
[00:07:18] <stuartdouglas> I just run it from the shell
[00:07:23] <aslak> ok
[00:13:58] <ALR> stuartdouglas: Was going to report that, thanks
[00:14:04] <ALR> Haha, how fitting
[00:14:11] <ALR> When we don't know what you're looking for, 404.
[00:14:37] <ALR> aslak: Idea will copy your resources into test and test-classes, which is nice
[00:14:42] <ALR> I'm still an Eclipse guy though
[00:15:17] <stuartdouglas> I just found that with eclipse I would spend way to long waiting for m2eclipse to finish what it was doing
[00:15:41] <ALR> I like that m2e is now using Aether
[00:15:47] <ALR> So I can get real results
[00:15:51] <stuartdouglas> or rebuilding / refreshing everything because it got confused, and marked every line of every file in red
[00:15:54] <ALR> Instead of dependency:tree
[00:15:57] <ALR> Which lies :)
[00:16:36] <aslak> can't wait for m2e 0.13, should be fixing a lot of the m2e issues
[00:17:18] <stuartdouglas> Isn't that what they say before every m2eclipse release?
[00:17:43] <aslak> this i have seen, but i had to go back to 0.12 for other reasons
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[16:37:09] <bitshuffler> Hi guys. Does arquillian work with tomcat 7?
[17:09:36] <aslak> bitshuffler, embedded 7 yes
[17:09:56] <bitshuffler> aslak: great, thanks :)
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[23:12:19] <ALR> aslak: ACK!
[23:12:41] <ALR> aslak: I'm worried about the repo split now, before the API is locked.
[23:12:50] <ALR> It's going to make reintegration very difficult
[23:12:59] <ALR> (Which is why I haven't done it yet for SW)
[23:13:17] <ALR> aslak: Also I don't know if you've seen my last couple messages to jboss-dev-as7
[23:13:20] <aslak> ALR, who so ?
[23:13:23] <aslak> how so
[23:13:51] <aslak> ALR, i've seen them. not sure what you're refering to tho
[23:13:58] <ALR> aslak: How so?  When you change an API, you want those changes refactored across the board.
[23:14:14] <ALR> aslak: My messages about reintegration OSGi stuff into ARQ as necessary
[23:14:21] <ALR> And pulling out what would be rejected into elsewhere
[23:14:28] <ALR> So there's some overhaul in the mix.
[23:14:31] <aslak> ALR, yea, that depends on how you set it up in eclipse, not how the repos are stored
[23:14:44] <ALR> aslak: Hear me out :)
[23:15:07] <ALR> When all of your projects in Eclipse are set to SNAPSHOTs of each other, the refactor is carried out easily.
[23:15:32] <ALR> But when you go to separate release cycles, you set to fix versions after you do the first release.
[23:15:40] <ALR> And then stuff is no longer on SNAPs of each other.
[23:15:47] <ALR> So you have to manage the release cycles as well.
[23:15:55] <ALR> We'd done this in EJB3.
[23:16:06] <ALR> And it was the most irritating part of managing the project
[23:16:13] <ALR> Because IMO we didn't have locked APIs first
[23:16:20] <aslak> does eclipse actually know about the versions? i thought it included it what ever version it was if it found it as a project
[23:16:27] <ALR> aslak: Nope.
[23:16:54] <ALR> aslak: If you have a fix version of another project in your workspace, it won't refacros.
[23:16:57] <ALR> *refactor
[23:17:06] <ALR> So say you're working on Project A.
[23:17:12] <ALR> Project B depends on A.
[23:17:29] <ALR> Project B has a fix version of A:1.0.0
[23:17:38] <ALR> And you're working on A:1.0.1-SNAPSHOT
[23:17:43] <ALR> Any change you make to the API of A
[23:17:51] <ALR> Will *not* be reflected in B
[23:18:58] <ALR> (And again, you have to manually change B now to update to A:1.0.1-SNAPSHOT, then make sure it works, then update its dep on A to a fix version after A is released, then release B)
[23:19:10] <ALR> aslak: Basically our EJB3 structure in a nutshell :)
[23:19:30] <ALR> This is the sole reason why I lumped everything in SW together in one source tree in the first place.
[23:19:38] <ALR> We knew they'd eventually be split.
[23:19:49] <ALR> But for development, I didn't wanna waste cycles on release management.
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[23:53:40] <ALR> aslak: Hehe, too late to back out now? :)
[23:54:07] <aslak> ALR, hehe, not at all, but i like the split for other reasons.,..
[23:54:21] <aslak> ALR, looking through the m2eclipse code to see how it does the resolving
[23:54:23] <ALR> aslak: How are you technically doing it?
[23:54:43] <ALR> aslak: This has been helping me recently http://st-on-it.blogspot.com/2010/01/how-to-move-folders-between-git.html
[23:55:01] <ALR> Gotta make sure to preserve history, so I've been doing filter-branch
[23:55:20] <ALR> aslak: OK, my opinion registered.  I think too much is still in flux.
[23:55:23] <ALR> For this now.
[23:55:32] <ALR> Especially given the AS7 work that's to be done
[23:55:38] <ALR> And the OSGi moving around stuff.
[23:56:06] <ALR> Finding things are going to become difficult, and doing releases is definitely going to become much harder.
[23:56:23] <ALR> If you change an API/SPI, you must then change all deps which use it.
[23:56:33] <ALR> And ensure they still work, and re-release them probably.
[23:56:37] <ALR> Leading to release chains.
[23:56:46] <ALR> I shudder when remembering doing EJB3 release chains :)
[23:56:57] <ALR> No doubt we need to split them.
[23:57:07] <ALR> But I don't see a compelling reason to do that before APIs are locked.
[23:57:17] * ALR has made his case :)
[23:57:18] <aslak> ALR, using filter-branch, but not subdirectory. it only handles one, and can't follow moves etc.. so i use index-filter with some custom  filters etc.
[23:57:36] <aslak> so i end up with /containers/jboss* in one repo, the move them to root
[23:57:37] <aslak> https://gist.github.com/884933
[23:57:44] <ALR> Hmm, I should look into that
[23:57:59] <ALR> God, that is gross.
[23:58:06] <ALR> This is one thing that SVN definitely makes easier.
[23:59:35] <aslak> ALR, here you are rewriting history tho, including tags and everything. to the new repo, nothing of the other stuff ever existed





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