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[09:48:27] <aslak> Jaikiran, hey, couple of quick questions if you can
[09:48:36] <Jaikiran> aslak: sure
[09:48:37] <aslak> Jaikiran, 2 sec.. :)
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[09:52:16] <ALR> aslak: Ping.
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[10:07:13] <aslak> Jaikiran, What is the EE 6 spec way of Injecting a Remote EJB located on a Remote server?
[10:07:15] <nickarls> now if jaikiran asks ALR something, your in a deadlock
[10:07:25] <ALR> haha
[10:07:40] <ALR> aslak is avoiding me because he thinks I'm going to ask for something
[10:07:45] <ALR> Little does he know I have a present.
[10:07:57] <ALR> For anyone who wants a sneak preview on my talk tomorrow:
[10:07:57] <ALR> http://portal.sliderocket.com/APHAU/devnexus03222011_arquillian_invasion
[10:08:00] <aslak> ALR, hehe, you wern't around when i was about to ask
[10:08:10] <ALR> A lot of this is recycled material we've used before
[10:08:15] <aslak> ALR, Good Moooorning!! how is devnexus?
[10:08:16] <ALR> But now it's in the new preso platform
[10:08:35] <ALR> aslak: It's good, I'm exhausted.  Need sleep, but breakfast opens in 50 minutes! :D
[10:08:53] <ALR> aslak: Click through that thing.  I loaded it w/ pictures and transitions, etc
[10:09:01] <aslak> ALR, cool, you got it up at sliderocket. planning the next slide se tthere as well
[10:09:08] <ALR> Yep
[10:09:21] <ALR> Now that the main import is done, I think our job should be easy from here out
[10:09:26] <ALR> And Dan has a whole bunch of stuff too
[10:10:07] <aslak> ALR, yea, i'm still trying to work out the 'code slide transitions'
[10:10:31] <ALR> aslak: Tomorrow I'll share the source here with you
[10:10:37] <ALR> You'll see I duplicated a lot of slides
[10:10:45] <ALR> To make each new bullet fade in
[10:10:54] <ALR> I think it gives the talk momentum
[10:11:04] <ALR> Instead of slamming the audience with a page of bullets
[10:11:12] <Jaikiran> aslak: there's no EE specified way to inject an EJB residing on a remote server
[10:11:17] <ALR> And also should help cue me to look at the board less, and talk more freey
[10:11:22] <Jaikiran> http://community.jboss.org/message/365644#365644
[10:11:26] <aslak> ALR, you don't need duplicate slides for that.. they have a transision, pr bullet
[10:11:46] <aslak> you can have pr bullet timed or on click and what not
[10:12:10] <ALR> aslak: Well, then F me. :P
[10:12:12] <aslak> Jaikiran, right, as i thought
[10:12:14] <ALR> I'm not changing it now!
[10:12:17] <aslak> :)
[10:12:21] * nickarls wouldnt mind ability to inject remote EJBs, not that I use them that much. You would have to defined jndi props?
[10:13:36] <aslak> Jaikiran, i remember in jboss 4 or 5, there was a 'import remote jndi bean'. think it was the same used to include e.g. a remote jms server. wha tis the equal of that in jboss 6 ?
[10:13:42] * ALR outee
[10:13:44] <ALR> Bye. :)
[10:13:47] <aslak> ALR, good luck
[10:14:03] <ALR> Thanks, should be easy.  We've done this one before a few times.
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[10:16:07] <Jaikiran> aslak: you mean the external context mbean http://community.jboss.org/message/524270#524270
[10:16:08] <Jaikiran> ?
[10:16:50] <alesj> aslak: ping?
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[10:24:42] <aslak> Jaikiran, exactly, thank you
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[10:35:02] <aslak> alesj, sorry, pong :)
[10:35:34] <alesj> having that Jetty7 issue
[10:35:46] <alesj> where some Configuration classes were renamed ...
[10:35:57] <aslak> alesj, this is your patch?
[10:36:10] <alesj> and they are hardcoded into Jetty7EmContainer
[10:36:13] <alesj> yes, my patch ;-)
[10:36:43] <aslak> alesj, file a jira, rebase to master and i'll pull it in.. :)
[10:38:05] <alesj> jeez
[10:38:15] <alesj> i can do Arq the whole time ...
[10:38:22] <alesj> :-)
[10:39:32] <aslak> alesj, and, what happens when you have no default config ?
[10:39:41] <alesj> no BeanManager injection
[10:39:47] <alesj> as I cannot use jetty-plus
[10:39:58] <alesj> which is where the config class name changed
[10:40:37] <aslak> aa ok
[10:41:04] <aslak> brb, lunch
[10:47:12] <alesj> aslak: I'll do Jetty once you pull in my Resin ;-)
[10:47:31] <alesj> before I have to rebase that again ...
[10:51:03] <aslak> :)
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[12:20:31] <aslak> alesj, just running the Resin pull by domdom to see if he has any objections
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[12:32:26] <alesj> aslak: ok, let me know how it goes
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[15:07:13] <bambitroll> Hi guys! I have a problem with Arquillian I really do not understand.... everything used to work fine and now I get a "org.jboss.profileservice.spi.NoSuchDeploymentException: Failed to find deployment in file: test.ear" when I run my tests... Any idea why?
[15:09:05] <aslak> bambitroll, not sure why, but the exception is saying it can't find the deployment test.ear in the ManagmentView. it's trying to extract information about Servlets etc.
[15:09:10] <aslak> bambitroll, which container ?
[15:09:21] <bambitroll> JBoss 5.1 AS
[15:09:32] <aslak> remote?
[15:09:39] <bambitroll> yepp
[15:10:28] <bambitroll> this is insane.... it worked fine some days ago and I did not change anything in the test class I am debugging the problem with now
[15:12:21] <bambitroll> any idea how I could debug this?
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[15:26:40] <bambitroll> After the test fails, I have an empty test.ear in my deploy folder
[15:27:05] <bambitroll> deleting it by hand does not help...
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[16:05:15] <aslak> bambitroll, sounds like you have a deploy that fails, since it's not in the management virew
[16:06:04] <bambitroll> aslak: how can I find out what fails?
[16:06:25] <bambitroll> at the moment the logs are not very helpful...
[16:06:42] <aslak> bambitroll, if you have the source there, i would set a brakpoint in: org.jboss.arquillian.container.jbossas.remote_5_1.JBossASRemoteContainer line 118
[16:06:54] <aslak> bambitroll, nothing in server log?
[16:07:25] <bambitroll> nothing more than : org.jboss.profileservice.spi.NoSuchDeploymentException: Failed to find deployment in file: test.ear
[16:07:46] <aslak> bambitroll, what's the rest of the stack?
[16:08:29] <bambitroll> 15:51:09,725 INFO  [org.jboss.profileservice.management.upload.remoting.DeployHandler] Handle stream, deploymentTarget: names=[test.ear], copyContent=true, description=http://localhost.localdomain:9999/test.ear
[16:08:29] <bambitroll> 15:51:09,748 INFO  [org.jboss.profileservice.management.upload.remoting.DeployHandler] Stop, [test.ear]
[16:08:29] <bambitroll> 15:51:09,749 INFO  [org.jboss.profileservice.management.upload.remoting.DeployHandler] End stop, [vfszip:/usr/local/share/jboss-5.1.0-jdk6_esb-4.9-OSL/server/default/deploy/test.ear/]
[16:08:29] <bambitroll> 15:51:09,766 INFO  [org.jboss.profileservice.management.upload.remoting.DeployHandler] Remove, [test.ear]
[16:08:29] <bambitroll> 15:51:09,787 INFO  [org.jboss.profileservice.management.upload.remoting.DeployHandler] Stop, [test.ear]
[16:08:30] <bambitroll> 15:51:09,787 INFO  [org.jboss.profileservice.management.upload.remoting.DeployHandler] Failed to complete command: [stop] for deployment: names=[test.ear], copyContent=true
[16:08:30] <bambitroll> org.jboss.profileservice.spi.NoSuchDeploymentException: Failed to find deployment in file: test.ear
[16:08:31] <bambitroll> 	at org.jboss.system.server.profileservice.repository.AbstractDeploymentRepository.getDeployment(AbstractDeploymentRepository.java:134)
[16:08:31] <bambitroll> 	at org.jboss.profileservice.management.upload.remoting.DeployHandler.scheduleStop(DeployHandler.java:156)
[16:08:32] <bambitroll> 	at org.jboss.profileservice.management.upload.remoting.AbstractDeployHandler.stop(AbstractDeployHandler.java:308)
[16:08:32] <bambitroll> 	at org.jboss.profileservice.management.upload.remoting.AbstractDeployHandler.stop(AbstractDeployHandler.java:297)
[16:08:33] <bambitroll> 	at org.jboss.profileservice.management.upload.remoting.AbstractDeployHandler.invoke(AbstractDeployHandler.java:181)
[16:08:33] <bambitroll> 	at org.jboss.remoting.ServerInvoker.invoke(ServerInvoker.java:891)
[16:08:34] <bambitroll> 	at org.jboss.remoting.transport.socket.ServerThread.completeInvocation(ServerThread.java:744)
[16:09:17] <bambitroll> what bothers me is that it fails while trying to stop the EAR...
[16:09:29] <bambitroll> it should try to start it first I would assume...
[16:09:36] <aslak> most likely meaning it's not deployed
[16:10:07] <aslak> i would suspect it fails to undeploy test.ear, because it failed to deploy it at a earlier time
[16:11:19] <aslak> can you pastebin the log from where it starts to deploy ?
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[16:23:21] <aslak> alesj, dominik approves
[16:23:50] <alesj> aslak: so, pull away!!
[16:23:59] <alesj> before i have to rebase it again ?
[16:24:00] <alesj> :-)
[16:24:07] <aslak> :)
[16:25:26] <aslak> alesj, just in time for a complete split redo of the repos.. :)
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[16:29:16] <bambitroll> aslak: http://pastebin.com/9mSk8Yf0 . what I did is that I made sure I had no test.ear in my deploy folder and ran my Arquillian tests. there are 5 of them and they all fail the same way
[16:29:34] <alesj> aslak: wait for my Jetty fix ;-)
[16:36:39] <aslak> bambitroll, hmm, very odd
[16:37:26] <bambitroll> aslak: it is not the first time that I see such inconsistent behavior... but I do not know if it is because of me or Arquillian
[16:37:58] <aslak> bambitroll, if you stop the server,  remove any test.ear from deploy, clean tmp, work, data and log
[16:38:13] <aslak> bambitroll, then try to only run one of the tests
[16:38:35] <aslak> of course start it again before you run the test.. :)
[16:39:39] <bambitroll> will try
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[16:43:59] <bambitroll> aslak: samme det aka same shit :)
[16:45:14] <aslak> bambitroll, and this worked 'before' ?
[16:45:17] <aslak> before what?
[16:45:50] <bambitroll> this is a good question :) I added a new test recently, but before that the others used to work, at least once in a while :)
[16:47:24] <aslak> Alpha4?
[16:47:44] <bambitroll> I used to use it but updated to Alpha 5 today
[16:48:12] <aslak> could that be related?
[16:48:23] <aslak> what does your deployment look like?
[16:48:38] <bambitroll> no, it was failing already before the upgrade... I just hoped the upgrade would help :)
[16:48:50] <aslak> hehe ic
[16:49:13] <bambitroll> 	@Deployment
[16:49:13] <bambitroll> 	public static JavaArchive createDeployment() {
[16:49:14] <bambitroll> 		return ShrinkWrap
[16:49:14] <bambitroll> 				.create(JavaArchive.class, "testBackendServiceLookupBean.jar")
[16:49:14] <bambitroll> 				.addClasses(BackendServiceLookupLocal.class, Passenger.class, Leg.class, Booking.class, Airline.class, IATACity.class, BackendService.class, ErrorLog.class,
[16:49:14] <bambitroll> 						HealthCheck.class, Bagdrop.class, Requestor.class, Bag.class).addAsManifestResource("test-persistence.xml", ArchivePaths.create("persistence.xml"));
[16:49:16] <aslak> it doesn't really seem to try to deploy, just undeploy
[16:49:43] <aslak> what's in the surefire reports?
[16:51:20] <bambitroll> org.jboss.arquillian.spi.client.container.DeploymentException: Failed to deploy test.ear
[16:51:20] <bambitroll> 	at org.jboss.arquillian.container.jbossas.remote_5_1.JBossASRemoteContainer.deploy(JBossASRemoteContainer.java:169)
[16:51:20] <bambitroll> 	at org.jboss.arquillian.container.jbossas.remote_5_1.JBossASRemoteContainer.deploy(JBossASRemoteContainer.java:121)
[16:51:20] <bambitroll> 	at org.jboss.arquillian.impl.client.container.ContainerDeployController$3.call(ContainerDeployController.java:141)
[16:51:20] <bambitroll> 	at org.jboss.arquillian.impl.client.container.ContainerDeployController$3.call(ContainerDeployController.java:115)
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[16:52:19] <bambitroll> aslak: here is the surefire trace: http://pastebin.com/5yHz4b9E
[16:52:38] <bambitroll> nothing unexpected... just saying that there is nothing deployed on the server
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[16:54:21] <aslak> aa
[16:54:27] <aslak> Caused by: java.lang.RuntimeException: java.io.IOException: Can not get connection to server. Problem establishing socket connection for InvokerLocator [socket://hypnos:32487/]
[16:54:54] <aslak> did you upgrade your ubuntu or similar?
[16:54:55] <aslak> :)
[16:55:03] <bambitroll> this is normal since the deployment failed no?
[16:55:18] <bambitroll> I am running Maverick and have been since months now
[16:55:37] <aslak> no, this is the server trying to callback to the client to stream the deployment over
[16:55:59] <bambitroll> is there a know problem with Ubuntu?
[16:56:25] <aslak> what does hyppnos resolve to?
[16:56:41] <bambitroll> hopefully localhost since this is my machine :)
[16:56:54] <aslak> yea, but does it resolve to your external ip
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[16:57:03] <bambitroll> shit you are right it does!
[16:57:33] <aslak> i'm not sure why this is happening, but for some reason the callback insists on using the hosname
[16:57:41] <aslak> alesj, ^maybe you know something about this?
[16:57:48] <bambitroll> I will change /etc/hosts
[16:58:13] <alesj> aslak: about what ? not following the discussion ...
[16:58:52] <aslak> alesj, why the Remoting callback use the hostname, or how to set the remoting client to use hostname or
[16:59:15] <alesj> uf, beats me
[16:59:24] <bambitroll> no same problem when hypnos resolves to 127.0.0.1
[16:59:40] <alesj> been a while since i did remoting ? or used it ...
[16:59:54] <aslak> http://community.jboss.org/wiki/WhydoIgetasocketconnectionerrorwhenusingremoteJBossAS
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[17:01:49] <aslak> bambitroll, restarted jboss?
[17:02:00] <bambitroll> nope :) sorry
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[17:06:40] <aslak> alesj, do you know how resin works ?
[17:07:21] <bambitroll> aslak: you are my hero, min helt! it is working now :)
[17:07:34] <aslak> :)
[17:07:35] <aslak> grat
[17:07:38] <aslak> great
[17:07:52] <bambitroll> so I got the update to Alpha5 for free :)
[17:07:59] <bambitroll> Thanks a million!
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[17:22:42] <aslak> ALR, any good talks today?
[17:23:08] <ALR> aslak: Don't know.  Slept. :)
[17:23:25] <ALR> Wrestled with installing the SlideRocket Desktop stuff last night
[17:23:36] <ALR> Adobe AIR, SELinux problems, hotel connection errors, you name it.
[17:23:53] <aslak> hehe
[17:24:11] <aslak> they don't have the html5 export yet?
[17:25:46] <alesj> aslak: to some extent
[17:25:56] <alesj> aslak: i know how their `CDI works
[17:26:02] <aslak> alesj, :)
[17:26:10] <alesj> aslak: but apart from that i haven't used it
[17:26:22] <alesj> 6-7y ago I did use it
[17:26:26] <aslak> alesj, just wondering a bit about the logic in the contianer impl here.. server.start and stop on deploy. etc
[17:26:27] <alesj> aslak: why?
[17:26:51] <aslak> talking to dominik as well, he's chekcing some source
[17:29:49] <aslak> wooott.. getting my new phone tomorrow!!
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[17:31:07] <alesj> aslak: i looked at the Embedded Resin
[17:31:12] <alesj> and this looks what should be used
[17:31:17] <alesj> or, there is nothing else
[17:31:25] <alesj> it's probably meant to be super light
[17:31:31] <alesj> to start and stop
[17:31:46] <aslak> sure, but can server.addWebApp be done on a started server. is undeploy actually webApp.getWebApp().destroy()
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[17:32:34] <aslak> testing..
[17:33:07] <aslak> just as soon as eclipse is done building the world
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[17:35:30] <aslak> ugh, what secret jumbo have they added to the resin classes. eclipse crashed everytime i try to open them..
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[17:57:52] <alesj> :-)
[17:59:38] <alesj> aslak: i think i checked if addWebApp would do it
[17:59:43] <alesj> and I think it didn't
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[18:10:17] <bleathem> I have a class marked with @Requires (from solder)
[18:10:26] <bleathem> and I want to test that class with ARquillian
[18:10:55] <bleathem> The class does not get loaded by weld, because the @Requires is not present
[18:11:09] <bleathem> so I want to include it in my shrinkwrap archive
[18:11:39] <bleathem> I guess my question is more on maven scopes
[18:11:52] <bleathem> but if I change a dependency from provided to test
[18:12:05] <bleathem> so that I can include it in an arquillian test
[18:12:41] <bleathem> then the dependency won't be available at compile time right?
[18:12:41] <aslak> bleathem, should be on testclasspath either way, but..
[18:12:54] <bleathem> oh, provided is on the test classpath?
[18:13:12] <aslak> bleathem, it will be compile tinme src//test/java, but not src/main/java
[18:13:22] <aslak> everything is on test cp
[18:14:21] <bleathem> maybe it's just my IDE that's being dumb then.
[18:14:45] <aslak> bleathem, which ide?
[18:16:03] <bleathem> Netbeans
[18:16:08] <aslak> bleathem, assuming of course it's whithin the same module we're talking
[18:16:42] <bleathem> oh I'm stupid.  I included the api, not the impl dependency
[18:16:54] <bleathem> it's the little things that waste a lot of time
[18:17:28] <aslak> :)
[18:17:49] <bleathem> thanks tho!
[18:17:58] <aslak> happy to help
[18:17:59] <aslak> :)
[18:23:28] <bleathem> ok, so I have the impl on my classpath, which causes a bunch of other tests to fail.  Can I have the jar on the claspath of only 1 of my tests?
[18:23:45] <bleathem> (the imple is scope test in maven)
[18:24:55] <aslak> bleathem, not really. the @Deployment should handle that for you, but the isolation with embedded containers are not 100%
[18:25:01] <aslak> not even 10% at the moment.. :)
[18:25:53] <bleathem> ok
[18:26:15] <bleathem> maybe I'll just stub out a class to satisfy the @Requires
[18:26:22] <bleathem> that's probably the easiest solution
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[18:55:59] <aslak> alesj, seems Resin supports what i want to do, but not the ResinEmbed. re implementing ResinEmbed now
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[19:09:39] <alesj> aslak: yeah
[19:09:51] <alesj> so, you're gonna change the embedded?
[19:09:58] <alesj> or is this for managed/remote?
[19:10:04] <aslak> embedded
[19:10:16] <alesj> why full Resin?
[19:10:26] <alesj> i think embed should do it
[19:11:46] <aslak> it doesn't
[19:11:59] <aslak> the embedded api is crippled
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[19:30:41] <aslak> ALR, hey. all went well it seems ?
[19:30:54] <ALR> aslak: Yep.
[19:31:11] <ALR> Late afternoon and was up against a keynote speaker, so not the attendance we're used to .
[19:31:23] <ALR> But audience seemed impressed and had plenty of questions.
[19:31:41] <aslak> how many?
[19:32:38] <ALR> aslak: 40ish
[19:32:55] <ALR> But the thing was video'd.
[19:33:04] <ALR> Ben Browning is gonna post-produce it
[19:33:11] <ALR> So it'll have some permanence.
[19:36:55] <aslak> 40, that's not bad at all.. i had a jug talk in rome with 3
[19:37:01] <ALR> That's a JUG
[19:37:04] <ALR> :)
[19:37:05] <aslak> where 2 of them were aranging
[19:37:06] <aslak> hehe
[19:37:27] <ALR> I'd rather talk for a Super Bowl audience than a room of less than 50
[19:37:30] <ALR> It's unnerving.
[19:37:37] <aslak> hehe
[19:37:43] <aslak> any good questions?
[19:38:15] <ALR> Yeah.
[19:38:19] <aslak> alesj, works now.. without restart of server
[19:38:24] <ALR> 1) Is there a Book in the works?
[19:38:32] <ALR> 2) Is there a Spring ARQ Container
[19:38:34] <ALR> ?
[19:38:41] <alesj> can you also fix that Jetty Plus w/o my pull request?
[19:39:12] <alesj> you just need to expose configuration array in JettyConfiguration
[19:39:15] <alesj> aslak: ^
[19:39:25] <ALR> aslak: @see last comment in https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SHRINKWRAP-242 ?
[19:39:27] <jbossbot> jira [SHRINKWRAP-242] Get shrinkwrap to work from inside an OSGi framework [Coding In Progress (Unresolved) Task, Critical, David Bosschaert] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SHRINKWRAP-242
[19:40:31] <aslak> alesj, sure..
[19:40:56] <aslak> alesj, https://github.com/aslakknutsen/arquillian/tree/ARQ-146
[19:41:09] <jbossbot> jira [ARQ-146] Create a DeployableContainer integration for Resin [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Optional, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/ARQ-146
[19:42:00] <aslak> ALR, yea, not sure if he is refering to their own hacks where they are creating sw archives in-container, or it's is via module app cl
[19:42:31] <aslak> ALR, 2) Dan made a hack of a Spring Container, but nothing released. I believe Marius was gonna look at it
[19:42:41] <ALR> aslak: I told the guys asking to contribute it
[19:42:51] <aslak> sure
[19:43:13] <aslak> Spring works in a EE server of course, but not as a standalone bean container
[19:44:14] <alesj> aslak: when do you think you'll have that jetty-plus fixed?
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[19:46:40] <aslak> alesj, just about right after you create a jira.. ;)
[19:47:02] <aslak> alesj, which explains why
[19:58:23] <alesj> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/ARQ-399
[19:58:24] <alesj> ;-)
[19:59:09] <aslak> alesj, thank you.. any idea how to detect 7.2+ ?
[19:59:47] <alesj> see my JettyPost72Container in Weld head
[20:00:23] <alesj> that's currently the best way i know how to do it
[20:01:00] <aslak> alesj, serverInfo ?
[20:01:19] <mojavelinux> I think that lanyrd.com would make an awesome example application
[20:01:31] <alesj> aslak: yes
[20:03:52] <aslak> alesj, Server.getVersion
[20:04:23] <aslak> Server.class.getPackage().getImplementationVersion() etc etc
[20:05:23] <alesj> yeah, this might work
[20:05:27] <alesj> at boot time
[20:05:43] <alesj> but at runtime jetty7.2+ doesn't expose its classes
[20:05:51] <aslak> yea
[20:05:53] <alesj> you'll get null back
[20:06:14] <alesj> or CNFE
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[20:07:12] <alesj> aslak: ok, the Jetty jira is in, so i expect it soon :-)
[20:07:16] <aslak> alesj, do you have the jettyPluss 7.2+ classes?
[20:07:22] <alesj> where?
[20:07:35] <aslak> alesj, what the new set should be
[20:07:49] <aslak> config classes
[20:07:55] <alesj> i think it's PlusConfiguration insteda of just Configuration
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[20:10:58] <aslak> mojavelinux, Seam Social example app ? :)
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[21:12:53] <jbossbot> git [arquillian] push master f52e0e4.. Ales Justin ARQ-399 Add version check to JettyContainer to add the renamed configuration classes for Jetty-Pluss 7.2+. Open configuration so configurationClasses so they can be manually controlled.
[21:12:57] <jbossbot> jira [ARQ-399] Allow for configurable Jetty Configuration classes [Open (Unresolved) Task, Major, Aslak Knutsen] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/ARQ-399
[21:12:57] <jbossbot> git [arquillian] push master URL: http://github.com/arquillian/arquillian/compare/2d8499b...f52e0e4
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[22:06:58] <aslak> bleathem, LOL
[22:07:09] <aslak> love your comment on stackoverflow: With tools like Arquillian to manage the embedded application server lifecycle, Shrinkwrap to logically compose application elements, coupled with in-memory databases, test these days are busting through the old barriers of terms like unit and integration tests. Perhaps we need a new term for them. "real tests", or "useful tests" are two possibilities that come to mind :P
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[22:19:13] <bleathem> hehe I remember writing that!
[22:21:54] <bleathem> no up votes though!
[22:28:55] <aslak> :)
[22:36:06] <mojavelinux> up vote it, where's the link
[22:36:25] <bleathem> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4230185/ :D
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