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[14:13:44] <aslak> dmlloyd, i was about to say sorry in advanced for killing javabot, but he's not around so.. ;)
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[14:59:00] <ALR> aslak: Ping.
[14:59:04] <aslak> alheya
[14:59:07] <ALR> Yo dude
[14:59:08] <aslak> ALR, heya
[14:59:29] <ALR> With that merge to ARQ master, are there still references out to forks/branches of dependencies?
[14:59:44] <aslak> nope
[14:59:53] <ALR> Any SNAPSHOT deps?
[15:01:17] <ALR> aslak: ^
[15:02:15] <aslak> ALR, shouldn't be.. verifying
[15:02:24] <ALR> Neato.
[15:02:33] <ALR> Just checking before I close out ARQ-370
[15:02:40] <ALR> "Resolve" rather
[15:03:30] <aslak> no snapshots..
[15:03:37] <ALR> aslak: And how do you feel about an alpha-5 ?
[15:03:41] <aslak> it is resolved btw.. :)
[15:03:43] <ALR> Oh
[15:03:45] <ALR> Neat.
[15:03:46] <aslak> :)
[15:04:27] <ALR> aslak: Here's why I recommend another Alpha of ARQ:
[15:04:32] <ALR> SW is not yet Beta
[15:04:50] <aslak> oh, no need to come with arguments.. next v. is Alpha5
[15:04:51] <aslak> :)
[15:04:54] <ALR> So if I go change the API it'll render ARQ unusable...
[15:04:57] <ALR> Oh OK.
[15:05:09] <ALR> Cool, saw next v was Beat1 in JIRA.
[15:05:12] <ALR> *Beta1
[15:05:12] <aslak> need to reassign the fixed v. etc for some stuff
[15:05:19] <aslak> yea
[15:05:29] <ALR> When's alpha 5?
[15:05:34] <aslak> the plan was beta1, but to many changes, need a alpha first
[15:05:41] <ALR> Sweet.
[15:05:53] <johnament> so you're going to break everyone's test setup :-)
[15:05:56] <ALR> I think SW Beta is a prereq for ARQ Beta
[15:05:56] <aslak> mid week
[15:06:06] <ALR> johnament: Yeah, but we're going to break it in Alphas.
[15:06:29] <ALR> Once we call it Beta, it should be stable/swappable. :)
[15:06:41] <johnament> ALR: i know.  i'm pretty sure we all knew that ARQ.next was going to break everything..
[15:07:05] <ALR> johnament: Think positive.  Early adopters love to refactor, so we're giving you that gift.
[15:07:27] <ALR> And our testsuites prove everything still works.  Just differently, perhaps.
[15:07:33] <aslak> johnament, Arq next is not breaking, sw current on the other hand is.. :)
[15:07:47] <ALR> Yeah, SW broke everything baby.
[15:07:52] <ALR> But our method names rule now.
[15:07:56] <aslak> hehe
[15:08:02] <johnament> aslak: i thought all of the containers were being redesigned?
[15:08:12] <aslak> also some logical changes in where things are put in regards to WebArchive
[15:08:19] <ALR> johnament: That's under the hood, not User API.  That's SPI.
[15:08:32] <aslak> johnament, aa, yes.. SPI changes, but not API
[15:08:45] <aslak> and more to come.. :)
[15:08:47] <johnament> so then my existing files, deps etc should still work
[15:08:52] <johnament> just up the version.
[15:08:58] <aslak> johnament, ye
[15:09:04] <johnament> and watch as my SW archives blow up :-)
[15:09:23] <johnament> though I am incredibly happy to see better maven support in SW.
[15:09:31] <aslak> Arq does change the Configuration XML, but that's all
[15:09:37] <johnament> boooo
[15:09:51] <johnament> a lot or a little?
[15:10:00] <aslak> a lot
[15:10:06] <ALR> johnament: Fear not.  Once we go Beta, you won't have version problems anymore, no breaking APIs.
[15:10:15] <ALR> Think of it this way:
[15:10:27] <ALR> ShrinkWrap is so reliable that people don't consider it Alpha-level.
[15:10:31] <aslak> johnament, https://github.com/arquillian/arquillian/blob/master/api/src/main/resources/arquillian-1.0.xsd
[15:10:41] <johnament> i have 2 seam modules and 8 real job tools to be worried about.  that's all :-)
[15:10:52] <ALR> But I won't lock an API until its had enough time to prove itself worthy of not changing.
[15:11:01] <aslak> johnament, example: https://github.com/arquillian/arquillian/blob/master/containers/jetty-embedded-7/src/test/resources/arquillian.xml
[15:11:18] <ALR> aslak: I'm going to start mucking with upgrading AS7 to new ARQ SNAPSHOT
[15:11:21] <johnament> whoa that is a lot.
[15:11:56] <johnament> so is that how i end up being able to run different tests on different containers?
[15:12:45] <alesj> aslak: are you gonna pull in my Resin4 support?
[15:13:00] <alesj> or, what's the deal with GAE support?
[15:13:41] <aslak> johnament, if you mean grouping pr container etc so is that not support from arq. that works the same as today
[15:14:05] <ALR> aslak: Got an ARQ issue for "Release 1.0.0.Alpha5"?
[15:14:19] <aslak> ALR, not created yet
[15:14:37] <ALR> aslak: OK, I wanna use as a dep for JBAS-8946
[15:16:46] <ALR> aslak: What is ARQ 1.0.0.Alpha4.SP9
[15:16:47] <ALR> ?
[15:17:02] <aslak> alesj, yea, was just looking at the Resin stuff. it needs updating to the new Spis for one. and second, i don't think you can just pull in domdoms container into arq like that, changing all the copyright headers etc
[15:17:17] <aslak> ALR, thomases OSGi fork
[15:17:30] <ALR> aslak: Oh I am NOT a fan of that.
[15:17:37] <aslak> ALR, should have been named Alpha4-OSGi-SP9 but
[15:17:40] <ALR> Where the hell is that source?
[15:17:52] <ALR> And has it been merged to ARQ upstream/master?
[15:17:55] <alesj> aslak: there is not actually much that was done from domdorn
[15:18:06] <aslak> 2 sec
[15:18:19] <ALR> alesj: He's MINE, stop bugging him.
[15:18:19] <alesj> i don't see why we can't change the copyright, as long as he's mentioned as author
[15:18:26] <ALR> :P
[15:18:36] <alesj> ALR, you bug him all the time ;-)
[15:19:05] <alesj> aslak: and we definitely cannot have Caucho headers in our code ;-)
[15:19:36] <alesj> i can re-write that stuff against new SPIs
[15:19:44] <alesj> are the new SPIs already commited?
[15:23:46] <aslak> alesj, it's part of the ASL2 to keep the original copyright
[15:24:17] <aslak> alesj, yea, new SPIs are in arquillian/arquillian:master
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[15:25:47] <aslak> ALR, no it's not pushed upstream yet. not sure they ever will. It was basically a whole bunch of changes thomas did to test osgi on as6, osgi/as7 is a different story, and the OSGi stuff in the SP releases are absolete i think
[15:26:05] <ALR> aslak: So how are we supposed to upgrade AS?
[15:26:24] <ALR> Forking for OSGi is not a sustainable solution.
[15:26:30] <aslak> ALR, ?
[15:26:32] <ALR> (I'm not coming down on you)
[15:26:58] <aslak> upgrade as?
[15:27:04] <ALR> I'm wondering how we're supposed to upgrade AS to new versions of ARQ if the OSGi stuff which makes it work is a fork.
[15:27:26] <aslak> does AS6 actually use ARQ?
[15:27:46] <ALR> I'm talking AS7.
[15:28:02] <aslak> as i said, that's a different story
[15:28:07] <ALR> 1.0.0.Alpha4.SP9 is the version used by AS7.
[15:28:18] <aslak> Kabir has started the AS7 work out of a fresh Alpha-4 branch
[15:28:28] <aslak> really?
[15:28:30] <ALR> Yes.
[15:28:35] <aslak> hmm..
[15:28:58] <ALR> aslak: https://github.com/ALRubinger/jboss-as/blob/master/pom.xml#L86
[15:29:12] <ALR> aslak: Sounds like something for me to ask the AS team.
[15:30:00] <ALR> aslak: Thanks for the pointers.  I'll dig in a bit and find what I can.
[15:31:20] <aslak> ALR, maybe they have swapped branch to build the SP releases from.
[15:32:00] <ALR> We'll find out soon.  :)  Anyway I'll handle the AS upgrade to new ARQ for us.
[15:32:00] <aslak> ALR, cuz i'm pretty sure when Kabir took over he start from scratch on Alpha-4
[15:32:15] <ALR> And I need to talk w/ Kabir about taking that off his plate.
[15:32:28] <aslak> ALR, great, i was hoping you would.. :)
[15:32:38] <ALR> Now that SW alpha-12 is out I start up on AS7 now, pretty psyched
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[16:06:10] <alesj> aslak: what do you suggest then wrt Resin4 container impl?
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[19:36:00] <nickarls> jboss.org down?
[20:01:14] <aslak> seems up?
[20:05:23] <jbossbot> git [arquillian] push master f3ef115.. drallen ARQ-379 OpenEJB 3.1.4 upgrade and ARQ-379 fix
[20:05:24] <jbossbot> jira [ARQ-379] Arquillian does not allow any configuration of OpenEJB [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Blocker, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/ARQ-379
[20:05:24] <jbossbot> git [arquillian] push master 8fec8de.. drallen ARQ-379 Updated doc for version 3.1.4 of OpenEJB
[20:05:25] <jbossbot> git [arquillian] push master b9a2cae.. drallen ARQ-379 Updated configuration for arquillian.xml and added test
[20:05:25] <jbossbot> git [arquillian] push master URL: http://github.com/arquillian/arquillian/compare/4f83a3b...b9a2cae
[20:10:09] <nickarls> aslak: turned out to be a local problem.
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[21:58:36] <aslak> bobmcw, ARQ-378 : would ping on rmiport for you ?
[21:58:38] <jbossbot> jira [ARQ-378] For managed appservers, a configurable "is it up?" URL would be nice [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/ARQ-378
[21:58:43] <aslak> work for you
[22:08:49] <bobmcw> aslak: maybe?
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[22:24:42] <aslak> bobmcw, you only undeploy root.war right ?
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