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[00:11:25] <lincolnthree> hey ALR, you around?
[00:12:36] <ALR> lincolnthree: Yep
[00:12:39] <ALR> In 3 min
[00:12:40] <ALR> Phone
[00:12:50] <lincolnthree> sure, brb
[00:12:53] <stuartdouglas> Are there any plans to support deploying multiple archives per test?
[00:18:21] <lincolnthree> ALR: I'm back
[00:18:44] <lincolnthree> stuartdouglas: yes, i believe aslak already has that working
[00:19:01] <stuartdouglas> cool
[00:19:03] <lincolnthree> But it's new since Alpha4, so currently unreleased
[00:25:20] <ALR> lincolnthree: OK, that wasn't 3 minutes, but me too.
[00:25:32] <lincolnthree> gotta run out for a bit ALR, will be back later, just had wanted your thoughts about SHRINKDESC-33 and SHRINKDESC-21
[00:25:34] <jbossbot> jira [SHRINKDESC-33] Descriptors API forces classloading for configuration [Open (Unresolved) Enhancement, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SHRINKDESC-33
[00:25:35] <jbossbot> jira [SHRINKDESC-21] descriptor read-only mode [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SHRINKDESC-21
[00:25:48] <ALR> lincolnthree: First read this: http://lists.jboss.org/pipermail/jboss-as7-dev/2011-February/000615.html
[00:26:20] <ALR> lincolnthree: Post your specific questions about the JIRAs in a Forum Thread in ShrinkWrap Dev and I'll reply tonight, cool?
[00:26:42] <lincolnthree> no time atm, i just started implementing those 2 issues and wanted your API thoughts
[00:26:44] <lincolnthree> will email later
[00:27:00] <ALR> lincolnthree: k, great.  Just keep your forks sync'd w/ upstream/master
[00:27:02] <lincolnthree> actually i have a minute
[00:27:04] <ALR> (ie. rebased)
[00:27:06] <ALR> Oh, OK
[00:27:46] <lincolnthree> 1 sec
[00:27:52] <ALR> lincolnthree: Class<?> in Descriptors should only be used for input.
[00:28:02] <ALR> We'll ditch it internally in favor of Class.getName()
[00:28:11] <ALR> As Descriptors should only reflect metadata
[00:28:16] <ALR> Not be tied to any ClassLoader
[00:28:39] <lincolnthree> not what im talking about though
[00:28:48] <ALR> OK, that was my impression of SD-33
[00:28:59] <lincolnthree> the API forces the client to have an instance of the actual Class object
[00:29:06] <lincolnthree> which may or may not be the case in all situations
[00:29:12] <ALR> The API is wicked incomplete/prototype
[00:29:23] <ALR> Consider it "proof-of-concept" at the moment.
[00:29:25] <lincolnthree> k, just wanted to double-check before I added too much
[00:29:36] <lincolnthree> Eclipse made this fugly, but:
[00:29:43] <lincolnthree> https://github.com/lincolnthree/shrinkwrap-descriptors/commit/bb1f359c91708044f7c41c6c0b9bc18702e01bef
[00:29:44] <jbossbot> git [shrinkwrap-descriptors] bb1f359.. Lincoln Baxter, III began work on SHRINKDESC-33 and SHRINKDESC-21
[00:29:45] <jbossbot> jira [SHRINKDESC-33] Descriptors API forces classloading for configuration [Open (Unresolved) Enhancement, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SHRINKDESC-33
[00:29:46] <jbossbot> jira [SHRINKDESC-21] descriptor read-only mode [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/SHRINKDESC-21
[00:29:47] <lincolnthree> that's what I've started
[00:30:44] <ALR> You're on a good path :)
[00:30:46] <lincolnthree> I've created 2 new interfaces for sanity purposes w/separating read/write capabilities, but for now the *Descriptor interfaces extend the DescriptorReader interfaces
[00:30:50] <ALR> And as I said, you can take Class as an input
[00:30:58] <ALR> So long as we don't preserve it internally.
[00:31:05] <lincolnthree> What I want to know is OK
[00:31:14] <lincolnthree> is if we do not require Class at all
[00:31:17] <lincolnthree> sure it can be an option
[00:31:20] <ALR> Yep.
[00:31:21] <lincolnthree> but we should also accept String
[00:31:30] <ALR> Exactly, IMO we should take in both.
[00:31:33] <lincolnthree> ok good
[00:31:35] <lincolnthree> we are on the same page
[00:31:36] <ALR> Overload the fucker.
[00:31:39] <ALR> Yep.
[00:31:56] <lincolnthree> And with regard to the reader interfaces
[00:32:02] <lincolnthree> ill keep them separate for clarity
[00:32:13] <lincolnthree> but are you fine with adding getters to the *Descriptor interfaces?
[00:32:22] <lincolnthree> obviously they can only return Strings
[00:33:44] <lincolnthree> (I might need a tutorial on rebase)
[00:35:21] <ALR> I like this idea.
[00:35:27] <ALR> But not like Collections is implements.
[00:35:29] <ALR> *implemented
[00:35:40] <ALR> Let's talk about java.util Collections as a metaphor?
[00:35:54] <ALR> I read something long back that I agreed with.
[00:36:00] <ALR> About how it should have been:
[00:36:03] <ALR> Map
[00:36:07] <ALR> MutableMap extends Map
[00:36:15] <ALR> Map would have been read-only.
[00:36:28] <ALR> And Collections.unmodifyableMap() would not exist
[00:36:33] <ALR> As that breaks the Map contract
[00:36:51] <ALR> So in that sense we could easily export an immutable view:
[00:36:55] <ALR> WebAppDescriptor
[00:37:02] <ALR> And if mutating is needed:
[00:37:09] <ALR> MutableWebAppDescriptor
[00:40:13] <lincolnthree> ALR sorry - catching up
[00:41:05] <lincolnthree> Ok, so in a sense, you are thinking about reversing the contract between Descriptor and DescriptorReader
[00:41:11] <lincolnthree> DescriptorReader in a sense becomes the Descriptor
[00:41:24] <lincolnthree> and Descriptor becomes MutableDescriptor, including all of the builder pattern APIs
[00:41:29] <lincolnthree> I think I like that idea
[00:41:45] <ALR> Yeah.
[00:41:51] <ALR> We can muck w/ the names.
[00:41:56] <ALR> But the base level is read
[00:42:06] <ALR> And the extension interface adds write capabilities
[00:42:06] <lincolnthree> How do you feel that importing/exporting should work
[00:42:11] <ALR> As it is.
[00:42:23] <lincolnthree> E.g. How do you get a handle to the Mutable Descriptor
[00:42:26] <lincolnthree> type-cast
[00:42:31] <lincolnthree> instanceof check
[00:42:36] <lincolnthree> etc?
[00:42:37] <ALR> as(MutableDescriptor)
[00:43:20] <lincolnthree> im sorry, where ?
[00:45:00] <lincolnthree> gotta run
[00:45:01] <lincolnthree> back later
[00:45:13] <lincolnthree> will continue as we've discussed, and will check for further feedback here
[00:45:13] <ALR> Hehe, OK.
[00:45:18] <ALR> I'm off to the gym,
[00:45:21] <lincolnthree> Word
[00:45:24] <lincolnthree> Tear it up
[00:45:25] <ALR> lincolnthree: Yeah, ShrinkWrap Dev post
[00:45:29] <lincolnthree> *nod*
[00:45:34] <ALR> And we can do this in non-real-time
[00:45:35] <ALR> Late.
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[07:55:35] <hatchetman82> if i have a WarArchive, and i call setManufect() on it, shouldnt the manifect be in META-INF/ ?
[07:55:50] <hatchetman82> it puts it under WEB-INF/classes/META-INF
[07:55:57] <hatchetman82> (shrinkwrap i mean)
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[11:21:35] <hatchetman82> ...where is everyone ?
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[11:54:39] <bambitroll> hi guys.... yesterday I was trying to get something like this working in my arquillian test:
[11:54:55] <bambitroll> @PersistenceContext
[11:54:55] <bambitroll> private EntityManager em;
[11:55:08] <bambitroll> but whatever I do I get a Null Pointer
[11:55:26] <bambitroll> I am not using EE6, only EE5 with JBoss AS 5.1
[11:55:45] <bambitroll> I tried to specify the unitName but it did not help...
[11:56:00] <bambitroll> any idea how to get the EntityManager properly injected?
[11:56:35] <bambitroll> I see the persistence unit being properly created when Arquillian deploys the test archive
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[12:58:23] <Zjukov> My tests are not injected properly (PersistenceContext, UserTransaction), what could be the problem? :-S
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[13:06:49] <bambitroll> Zjukov: you can try something like this: http://javahowto.blogspot.com/2007/11/how-to-get-container-managed.html
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[13:07:39] <Zjukov> bambitroll I'll look into it, thanks!
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[14:16:11] <GTobi> is there an eta for shrinkwrap alpha 12?
[14:16:47] <Zjukov> bambitroll I wish there was a simpler way than having to write a servlet for the test
[14:29:06] <Zjukov> This is annoying, there isn't a single GlassFish remote test sample out there that is working... I found some project called JPA2 (official website) with both remote and embedded profiles, but when using the remote it doesn't work
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[18:48:25] <Tashtego> hi
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