March 23, 2018 
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quit IRC (Quit: tsoome)[12:35:14] <myrkraverk> Not sure if this is the right, or wrong place to ask, so: I've heard bad things about realloc() -- that is, that it's hard to use it safely -- so should I just do reallocations the moronic way, malloc() and memcpy() or try to use realloc() ?[12:41:07] <myrkraverk> And FreeBSD has reallocf() though I'm not sure from the man page how exactly it's different (on OS X).[12:42:33] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@13-113-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee> has joined #illumos[12:43:59] *** merzo_ <merzo_!~merzo@185.39.197.205> has joined #illumos[12:44:00] *** merzo <merzo!~merzo@185.39.197.205> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[12:46:54] <myrkraverk> Hmm, both illumos and mac os (hence freebsd, I guess) explicitly mention that old blocks are free()d, if moved. The Linux man page does not.[12:47:05] <myrkraverk> So I guess realloc() is, if ever, only unsafe on linux.[12:47:12] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@13-113-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[12:48:10] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@13-113-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee> has joined #illumos[12:48:16] <myrkraverk> Oh, my bad; the linux realloc() also (says) it frees the old pointer.[12:48:41] <myrkraverk> Just in a harder to understand sentence.[12:52:43] *** w8hd <w8hd!~kimc@cpe-65-25-122-137.neo.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[12:53:04] <jlevon> myrkraverk: it's only unsafe if you do something silly like ptr = realloc(ptr, newsize);[12:53:11] <jlevon> if alloc failed, you just leaked the buffer[12:54:39] <myrkraverk> But on BSD, I can use reallocf() instead; (that's re-alloc-eff)[12:57:15] <jlevon> if you want to be non portable, sure.[13:03:56] <_mjg_> the real pitfall with realloc is naive loops which realloc with an increment of one byte for instance[13:04:05] *** cro <cro!~cro@204.228.149.217> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[13:04:21] *** merzo_ <merzo_!~merzo@185.39.197.205> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[13:05:58] *** copec <copec!~copec@schrodbox.unaen.org> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[13:09:04] <andyf> Generally by the time you use realloc() properly, you often might as well have used malloc/memcpy/free[13:09:12] <andyf> here's a good example from gate https://github.com/illumos/illumos-gate/blob/master/usr/src/lib/libcmdutils/common/custr.c#L87[13:09:18] *** psychicist__ <psychicist__!~psychicis@wlan-145-94-157-236.wlan.tudelft.nl> has joined #illumos[13:12:03] *** vila <vila!~vila@lec67-4-82-230-53-244.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[13:12:45] *** vila <vila!~vila@lec67-4-82-230-53-244.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #illumos[13:16:53] <_mjg_> often times realloc can avovid moving anything if dealing with big buffers[13:21:18] *** jdnavarro <jdnavarro!~danny@200.111.121.146> has joined #illumos[13:21:45] *** copec <copec!~copec@schrodbox.unaen.org> has joined #illumos[13:21:53] *** cro <cro!~cro@204.228.149.217> has joined #illumos[13:22:55] *** ptribble <ptribble!~ptribble@cpc92716-cmbg20-2-0-cust138.5-4.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[13:40:10] *** englishm_work <englishm_work!uid217629@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ghkrfmngbzuvuhjc> has joined #illumos[13:47:46] <myrkraverk> Oh, nice example code; and yeah, using realloc() safely is probably what I want to (try) to do.[13:48:43] <myrkraverk> I'm just going through an algorithm course (on my own) because I'm weak in algorithms; one of the example tasks is to write an auto-resizing stack.[13:49:07] *** wiedi <wiedi!~wiedi@ip5b409739.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has joined #illumos[13:49:14] <myrkraverk> And of course, using realloc() seems like the ideal choice; at first.[13:50:09] <myrkraverk> Though I guess my implementation will not run on much else than example code, so getting the best memory management is an optimization I don't exactly need.[13:51:54] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f881-49.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC ()[14:04:55] *** MarcelT <MarcelT!~marcel@tortuga.telka.sk> has joined #illumos[14:08:37] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f881-49.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #illumos[14:12:49] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@98.13.72.207> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[14:15:23] *** natkin <natkin!~textual@104-189-74-222.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net> has joined #illumos[14:19:30] *** MarcelT <MarcelT!~marcel@tortuga.telka.sk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[14:22:18] *** jlevon_ <jlevon_!~jlevon@88.98.93.30> has joined #illumos[14:31:13] *** elegast <elegast!~elegast@5.79.86.129> has joined #illumos[14:34:22] <elegast> Hi guys, my goal is to use openvpn in bridge mode with clients being illumos, smartos to be specific. Getting openvpn to instantiate a tap device and having it connect is no issue, however illumos tools are not able to configure the tap device using the usual dladm/ipadm.[14:35:13] <elegast> I can get it to work manually by doing ifconfig tap0 <ip_config> up[14:35:29] <elegast> and then adding some routes, it communicates fine[14:36:57] <elegast> However its not very usuable when we can't use dladm to bridge the tap device instance with other physical nics or etherstubs/simnets[14:37:07] <tsoome> elegast: yes, that is known limitation and it is really annoying.[14:37:25] <elegast> tsoome: are there any workarounds for such a scenario?[14:37:52] <tsoome> google for brdgadm[14:38:09] <tsoome> $ brdgadm[14:38:10] <tsoome> List of the interfaces[14:38:12] <tsoome> e1000g0[14:38:13] <tsoome> tap0[14:38:18] <elegast> Oh I don't know that tool, I'll investigate, thank you tsoome![14:39:53] <tsoome> only can hope that at some day someone will create proper implementation…[14:41:04] <elegast> ah, it's a seperate tool from the whiteboard.ne.jp guy, I missed that piece of info[14:43:46] <elegast> The disclaimer scares me, but I think this will fit my needs for now, allrighty, thanks tsoome! 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custom attributes[19:04:50] <Alasdairr> and of course there could be "zfs allow customattributes" or something :-)[19:05:54] <Alasdairr> I was going to work around it by giving the rename permission to rename snapshots, (i'm trying to give my backup user the absolute least privileges possible), but renaming doesn't work unless you give the mount permission too, even if its a snapshot which seems weird[19:06:05] *** Toasterson <Toasterson!~toast@41.55.143.95.dyn.dsl.as8758.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:08:06] <Alasdairr> actually i don't seem to be able to rename snapshots at all with my lame user[19:09:11] <Alasdairr> https://paste.ec/paste/GX2ct5pm#4ShKkvpKUv17veCmTF14kPgA14-PuX+uf/LWkNJvtru[19:09:11] *** chrustler <chrustler!~chrustler@94-137-110-58.customers.ownit.se> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:09:58] <Alasdairr> I basically want my offsite backup script to somehow mark a snapshot as having been successfully sent offsite, so a cronjob on the box being backed up can delete the snapshot after as appropriate[19:10:19] <Alasdairr> thus my backup user only needs the send permission[19:10:41] <Alasdairr> well, send and "create custom properties" or "rename snapshots"[19:11:13] <Alasdairr> I always feel like I'm the only one that tries to least-privilege everything and always encounters nothing works unless you're root :D[19:11:34] <Alasdairr> *always encounters that[19:13:54] *** thegattaca <thegattaca!~thegattac@209.58.144.169> has quit IRC (Quit: Sleepy...)[19:21:57] <richlowe> Alasdairr: right, what I meant by limits is on the amount an allow'd user can set.[19:22:23] <richlowe> but zfs allow never ends up working as I expect, because it's based on actual operations and not the commands[19:22:24] <Alasdairr> Yeah[19:22:31] <richlowe> so I tend to just hit it until it works for 'richlowe'[19:22:57] <Alasdairr> I think if someone has access to our offsite backups server we have bigger issues than if they can create/destroy filesystems on our compute nodes[19:23:40] <Alasdairr> So I am not too bothered with our backups user having create,mount,snapshot,destroy[19:24:33] *** chrustler <chrustler!~chrustler@94-137-110-58.customers.ownit.se> has joined #illumos[19:24:45] <Alasdairr> i was hoping i might be able to drop everything except send, and do the snapshot creation/destruction on the compute nodes themselves. in fact we already do the snapshots, but the backup server does the snapshot removal[19:25:02] <Alasdairr> it would be quite nice if zfs distinguished between permissions to create/destroy filesystems, and permissions to create/destroy snapshots[19:25:11] <Alasdairr> since one is obviously far worse than the other[19:25:41] <LeftWing> Allowing somebody to create a lot of snapshots is surprisingly painful at times too[19:26:06] <LeftWing> It would be great to have more granular permissions though, certainly.[19:27:54] <richlowe> what I really want is to be able to say "Let alice do <thing>"[19:28:01] <richlowe> without caring about whether that has to include mounting and blah[19:28:27] <richlowe> user richlowe clone,create,destroy,mount,share,snapshot[19:29:10] <richlowe> clone, create being separate from (and not implying, as best as I remember) mount, for eg[19:30:14] <LeftWing> Right[19:30:36] *** chrustler <chrustler!~chrustler@94-137-110-58.customers.ownit.se> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:30:46] <LeftWing> I think the layer that's missing there is a canned set of profiles which map the granular underlying permissions to the things people actually do with the CLI[19:31:33] <LeftWing> Probably also be good if you could dump out the effective list of commands user would be able to use with the current set of rules[19:31:51] *** mnowak__ <mnowak__!~mnowak_@94.142.238.232> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:34:36] <sjorge> Alasdairr: what about hold/release of a tag on the snapshot that got backed up?[19:34:49] *** ldepandis 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