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[13:02:15] <tsoome> somehow I have feeling that I have flooded the advocates list again...
[13:03:20] * bdha looks
[13:04:19] <tsoome> I have 17 build clones waiting in my build host:D
[13:04:45] <bdha> Nothing obvious in the UI, anyway. Can't speak to the backend. I don't have access to that. :)
[13:04:57] <tsoome> ah nono, I meant the RTI’s
[13:05:02] <bdha> aha!
[13:05:23] <bdha> Engineer resource exhaustion? ;)
[13:05:33] <tsoome> seems so:)
[13:07:39] <andyf> bah, you'll knock mine right down the list ;)
[13:08:07] <andyf> jlevon - seems someone released your message to illumos-dev from yesterday.
[13:09:47] * bdha did
[13:15:37] <tsoome> if someone has build env for slim_source, it would be nice to have https://github.com/OpenIndiana/slim_source/pull/35 tested:)
[13:25:20] <andyf> Sorry, I don't, but nice to see 'zpool create -B' starting to appear, we may have to do the same for the OmniOS installer...
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[13:32:10] <andyf> tsoome - would you recommend -Bf for all new installations now?
[13:37:35] <tsoome> essentially yes
[13:38:52] <tsoome> the thing is that (all?) current systems have dual UEFI/BIOS and we have no good way to detect UEFI if the BIOS was used
[13:40:50] <tsoome> even now we can boot from UEFI, just we only can use serial console then.
[13:44:29] <andyf> Thanks - I will prepare an update for OmniOS kayak too then
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[13:51:21] <sjorge> andyf, cool. Hope someone has time to review it soon
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[15:59:09] <andyf> Does anyone know offhand what the 'nosub' option for lofs does? We don't seem to have a man page for mount_lofs so I might have to use the source (Luke)
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[16:35:27] * tomww thinks. could be don't decent into other mountpoints below...
[16:35:57] <andyf> Yes, looks like it - I found a comment in the code
[16:36:05] <andyf> just testing..
[16:39:40] <tomww> that way you could make pure /dev contents visible, mount -F lofs -o nosub /dev /tmp/dev_without_dynamic_fs_ontop (something like that)
[16:40:12] <tomww> maybe not the best example :)
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[16:41:50] <andyf> I was looking to see if it would be a good idea for our lx zone /native/usr mount since we have a customer who has some filesystems mounted under /usr in the GZ
[16:42:15] <andyf> and doesn't want them to appear in the LX zone
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[16:42:21] <andyf> bad structure but hard for them to change
[16:43:06] <tomww> I see
[16:44:24] <tomww> something like opt="ro,nodevices,nosub" type="lofs"
[16:44:49] <tomww> (from the /usr/lib/brand)
[16:45:40] <tomww> but the lofs could be constructed _outside_ and with a lofs mount. that cleaned up directroy tree might be given to the zone (just an untested idea)
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[16:54:11] <andyf> opt="ro,nodevices,nosub" in the zone platform.xml does exactly what I need
[16:56:00] <andyf> Maybe I should knock up a mount_lofs.1m
[17:09:05] <andyf> tomww - that's what Joyent experimented with for their early bhyve zone brand, a bit like the old chroot days
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[17:23:10] <tomww> :)
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[17:26:45] <tomww> /usr/lib/libc/libc_hwcap2.so.1 /lib/libc.so.1 lofs dev=4bd0002 1520315198
[17:27:19] <tomww> this one might get lost by nosub ... but is this a downside, if on X86 is only one libc at all? (is it?)
[17:28:13] <andyf> It doesn't get lost, it seems
[17:28:25] <andyf> bloody% digest -a sha1 /lib/libc.so.1
[17:28:29] <andyf> bloody% pfexec zlogin sparse digest -a sha1 /lib/libc.so.1
[17:28:31] <andyf> same hash
[17:28:49] <tomww> intersting output from file /usr/lib/libc/*
[17:30:09] <andyf> Some of my machines are using hwcap1, others hwcap2 fwiw
[17:32:06] <tomww> :)
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[17:40:28] <andyf> `man moe` - got to be one of the most convoluted (b?)acronyms
[17:41:19] <igork> drop it - 32bit is not actual needs
[17:41:23] <igork> move to 64bits
[17:41:46] <igork> i mean - drop mounts to libc_hwcap
[17:42:05] <igork> and your life will be much more better :)
[17:42:08] <ptribble> Ah yes, lari, moe, and crle - The Three Stooges
[17:43:11] <igork> crle is another story
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[17:45:22] <ptribble> Perhaps we should implement https://www.illumos.org/issues/1235
[17:47:03] <igork> richlowe will winner for this task :)
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[18:53:45] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 8984 fix for 6764 breaks ACL inheritance -- Dominik Hassler <hadfl at omniosce dot org>
[18:55:08] <elegast> My disk foo is severely out of shape, disk sectors are not always the same size. Grub reads a value from disk where it is sold at which sector the next stage is, does it need to be aware of sector size?
[18:55:17] <elegast> where it is told*
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[18:59:34] <elegast> Ah, it seems it does not need to know sector sizes
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[19:07:01] <elegast> My drive is formatted in accordance with a standard solaris2 partition table. I believe this is stored between bytes 446 - 512 of the MBR. The next 512 bytes after appear to be empty, is it safe to write a next stage bootloader to this location?
[19:12:17] <elegast> What I'm really asking is will standard illumos partitioning tools leave bytes 512-1024 alone when I delete/recreate partitions?
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[20:14:39] <nikolam> elegast, beside partitions , there are slices. So its best to create ZFS partition or whole drive format within illumos distro installer
[20:14:59] <nikolam> slices are, like slices of partitions
[20:15:44] <nikolam> ZFS on illumos feels best with loader if it is on slice inside partition.. :P
[20:20:41] <elegast> nikolam: ah yes, mixing my terminoligy. In this instance a solaris partition covering the whole disk.
[20:21:07] <elegast> There is no zfs involved in booting, nor is bsdloader.
[20:21:54] <elegast> I want to know if modifing slices with standard tools, will leave the first 1024 bytes of my disk alone.
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[20:22:43] <elegast> And the same for modifying the partition itself. Asides from the partition table in bytes 446-512
[20:23:04] <elegast> which obviously would get overwritten
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[20:25:15] <nikolam> To stay on positive side, at least partition disk with solaris tools (voot from live media) using 'format' command. Easiest is to give whole disk to installer to play with. It ends up with single GPT partition with single slice belonging to zfs
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[20:26:03] <elegast> Yes, I'm exclusively talking about standard illlumos tools, fdisk, format. There is no installer involved.
[20:26:09] <nikolam> I had some problems before with loader, when using other OS tools to create partition, because of slices in it. It was fixed, but I learned it.
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[20:28:12] <nikolam> non-ZFS install?
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[20:29:13] <elegast> I'm not wondering how to create or recreate partitions, I simply need to know if I can place bootcode in bytes <446 and between 512><=1024 without partitioning tools overwriting it later when slicing disks and modifying partitions, in accordance with the solaris partitioning scheme
[20:30:08] <elegast> But yes, this involves a zon-zfs disk.
[20:30:12] <elegast> non-zfs*
[20:31:13] <elegast> which bootcode is there and how it boots and what it boots is not really of concern
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