December 27, 2017 
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bsd - if it is not unix?[19:01:24] <Cthulhux`> it was a unix distribution in the 70s[19:01:36] *** yurip <yurip!~yuri@94.233.224.14> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[19:01:42] <Cthulhux`> as it stands, they're "unix-like", at least the free bsds[19:01:51] <Cthulhux`> too many changes.[19:02:12] <Cthulhux`> illumos is the only free sysv unix today.[19:02:53] <igork> im not sure :)[19:02:55] <denk> what's about oracle solaris?[19:03:16] <Cthulhux`> solaris is not free.[19:03:18] <Cthulhux`> sadly.[19:03:56] <igork> we need identify - what is it 'unix' :)[19:04:05] <denk> ah, you are talking about free unixes[19:04:22] <igork> to me it is : window != unix :)[19:04:25] <Cthulhux`> unix = AIX, )Open)Solaris, HP-UX and a number of deceased systems[19:04:36] <Cthulhux`> everything else is, at best, unix-like.[19:05:02] <Cthulhux`> igork: ouch.[19:05:13] <igork> :)[19:06:04] <Cthulhux`> (note that "certified unix" <> "unix")[19:06:22] <Cthulhux`> (because the "trademark" of unix does not imply technical unix heritage)[19:09:31] *** ADS_Sr_ <ADS_Sr_!~ADS_Sr@cpe-70-117-139-88.hot.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[19:09:54] *** ADS_Sr_ <ADS_Sr_!~ADS_Sr@cpe-70-117-139-88.hot.res.rr.com> has joined #illumos[19:11:57] <endersending> Cthulhux`, unix feel, paradigm[19:12:34] <endersending> solaris, free net open bsd, are unix like[19:12:40] <endersending> everything else is linux[19:12:48] <Cthulhux`> solaris is unix, not unix-like.[19:12:52] <Cthulhux`> aix is not linux.[19:13:23] <endersending> ok, if it doesnt run the linux kernel, it is unix or unix like[19:13:24] <Cthulhux`> to make things more complicated, inspur k-ux is a linux distribution which is a trademarked unix.[19:13:43] <endersending> and there are distros with a solaris or bsd kernel that run linux userland[19:14:06] <Cthulhux`> windows does not run the linux kernel. is it unix or unix-like?[19:14:25] <Cthulhux`> you're thinking too simple :)[19:14:57] *** ADS_Sr_ <ADS_Sr_!~ADS_Sr@cpe-70-117-139-88.hot.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[19:15:04] <endersending> but you get what i mean[19:15:53] <PMT> Cthulhux`: I dunno, give the WSL subsystem guys a few more iterations and UML might run[19:16:06] *** mnowak_ <mnowak_!~mnowak_@94.142.238.232> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[19:16:14] <Cthulhux`> NT had enough subsystems for a lifetime IMO[19:16:37] <Cthulhux`> microsoft porting the NT subsystem to freebsd would be an interesting thing though[19:16:46] <Cthulhux`> they seem to be rather active there.[19:17:08] <PMT> I mean, Windows already has a Linux subsystem, it might even already run UML successfully[19:17:27] <Cthulhux`> nt had four subsystems iirc[19:17:42] <Cthulhux`> os/2, "unix" (twice), now linux.[19:18:03] <PMT> Technically, it was Win32, "POSIX", WSL, and OS/2[19:18:58] *** yurip <yurip!~yuri@94.233.224.14> has joined #illumos[19:20:01] * Cthulhux` preferred "POSIX" tbh[19:20:09] *** bennabiy <bennabiy!~bennabiy@unaffiliated/bennabiy> has joined #illumos[19:20:10] <igork> Cthulhux: i think all what are not == windows - can be unix like :)[19:20:11] <PMT> To WSL?[19:20:17] <Cthulhux`> to WSL.[19:20:18] <igork> Cthulhux: (joke)[19:20:40] <Cthulhux`> igork: the (now-replaced) interix subsystem for windows is unix-like[19:20:41] <Cthulhux`> :p[19:20:50] <igork> hehe :)[19:21:05] <PMT> I mean, they have a real NFS server/client now, in addition to the other WSL goodies =P[19:21:07] <Cthulhux`> "unix-like" is quite a fluid term[19:21:24] <igork> i saw info that window try to port linux kernel :)[19:21:35] <PMT> ...to what?[19:21:41] <Cthulhux`> PMT, the relevant POSIX "goodie" is its simplicity. the GNU tools are an atrocity.[19:22:54] <PMT> In that sense, then, you must find a lot of the modern illumos distros choosing to ship increasing numbers of GNU tools in the default PATH an atrocity.[19:23:04] *** bennabiy <bennabiy!~bennabiy@unaffiliated/bennabiy> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:23:07] <Cthulhux`> yup :/[19:23:21] <igork> Cthulhux: DilOS is one with GNU tools in main place ;)[19:23:26] <endersending> i would like to stay away from linux, although i know it, i like keep my systems similar[19:23:31] <Cthulhux`> ridiculous software bloat spoiling good systems[19:23:37] <endersending> dilos isnt sparc32 :([19:23:38] <yurip> increasing? I though it's actually decreasing as we "fix" the native tools[19:23:44] <igork> coreutils, grep, find, sed, etc[19:23:46] <endersending> im going to boot netbsd and try it out[19:23:58] <Cthulhux`> GNU sed sucks.[19:24:07] <igork> endersending: dilos = sparc64[19:24:17] <yurip> sparc = dead[19:24:22] <igork> and intel too[19:24:24] <Cthulhux`> sparc = alive and kicking.[19:24:31] <igork> hehe :)[19:24:41] <igork> i like sparc sun4v[19:24:44] <yurip> just like my zx spectrum[19:25:01] <igork> wow :)[19:25:07] <igork> i like z80 too :)[19:25:08] <LeftWing> And my Commodore 64![19:25:53] <igork> but i lost my z80 in 1994 year[19:25:56] <PMT> LeftWing: they manufactured replica C64s more recently than most SPARCs :P[19:26:07] <LeftWing> PMT: It's true.[19:26:29] *** mnowak_ <mnowak_!~mnowak_@94.142.238.232> has joined #illumos[19:26:30] <LeftWing> But, in keeping with the theme: there's not much point in illumos running on them. :P[19:26:41] <igork> ah :)[19:26:43] <igork> port 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