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[12:05:54] <drscream> Do somebody from Germany drive by car to FOSDEM and can carry some marketing material for our illumos booth?
[12:08:55] <jzu_> would be nice to visit FOSDEM some day
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[12:35:42] <nbjoerg> don't plan to drive, sorry
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[12:58:23] <Agnar> drscream: it's official...I will not be at fosdem next year...
[12:58:46] <Woodstock> :-(
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[12:59:18] <Agnar> Woodstock: I have to be in paris that week and will return by plane to bremen in friday evening
[13:00:40] <Agnar> on
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[13:55:58] <drscream> Agnar: "I will not be at fosdem next year" is not an option :P
[14:07:50] <Agnar> drscream: well, I have no idea how to manage that. I could go by car to paris, but this is crazy.
[14:08:54] <nbjoerg> drscream: how much is it?
[14:09:58] <nbjoerg> hm. too bad that the submission time for talks is over. I would have finally something interesting to say...
[14:10:29] <Agnar> drscream: I'll go to luxemburg on sunday, will go back home today from amsterdam. the last of december i'll be home. start on january i'll go to munich by car, then to stuttgart...
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[14:10:39] <Agnar> no I wont drive to Paris by car.
[14:12:24] <drscream> nbjoerg: I think it's a little bit more because I would like to order shirts, hoodies and stuff
[14:12:50] <nbjoerg> ah. that would be too much for train
[14:12:54] <drscream> Agnar: no worry it was only a joke, going by car to paris is really crazy ;-)
[14:13:06] <nbjoerg> the "to" part is not that bad
[14:13:11] <nbjoerg> the "into" part is insane :)
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[14:13:20] <drscream> hehe
[14:13:34] <Agnar> nbjoerg: hehe
[14:14:15] <Agnar> drscream: but i'd definitivly buy a hoodie and a shirt
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[14:17:31] <drscream> Agnar: I will add you on the list to have some spare shirts and hoodies which could be send via post
[14:18:46] <Agnar> drscream: i might also collect them in berlin ;)
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[14:22:30] <Agnar> drscream: but you may send it to sjorge?
[14:22:40] <Agnar> and he would bring it?
[14:32:58] <drscream> would be an idea. I will ask him :-)
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[19:38:08] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 1915 IPsec kstats shouldn't be persistent -- Dan McDonald <danmcd at joyent dot com>
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[19:53:45] <leoric> danmcd: Hi. I've looked and tested at first or second version of RB, but not on the last. Can quickly test it.
[19:54:13] <danmcd> Thanks. You discovered this mess, Matt seems to have cleaned it up, and both rmustacc and tsoome are on board as reviewers.
[19:54:35] <danmcd> If you, as the discoverer, are ALSO happy (note the test cases he added, too), I'm ready to push it.
[19:55:28] <tsoome> would be really nice:)
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[19:56:04] <danmcd> I wish FOSDEM wasn't on my kids' birthday.
[19:56:17] <danmcd> And "Bring them with you," is expen$ive. :(
[19:56:27] <igork> :)
[19:57:32] <danmcd> I also am bummed because the flight I took last time to BRU has been upgraded and is now a 787 for the big leg.
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[20:11:13] <leoric> hm...
[20:11:16] <leoric> have new core files
[20:11:27] <danmcd> Please mention this on the RB thread?
[20:12:07] <leoric> pstack hangs on them, some recursion
[20:13:01] <danmcd> Wow. Informed Matt, tsoome, and advocates (which includes reviewer rmustacc).
[20:14:02] <tsoome> probably new issue?
[20:14:23] <danmcd> Perhaps.
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[20:14:52] <tsoome> imo the question would be if we get something better with this patch applied or will things get worse
[20:15:37] <tsoome> if we get things better, we should apply this one and start working on next update
[20:16:17] <rmustacc> I'm not sure if hangs in a command are better. :/
[20:16:45] <leoric> replied
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[20:18:24] <leoric> second core dump is the same
[20:20:48] <danmcd> I don't see the reply, but that's okay. People are aware now.
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[20:32:19] <leoric> danmcd: I've commented in RB
[20:32:27] <danmcd> THanks.
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[20:39:00] <leoric> hm... it's actually not new cores
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[20:39:12] <leoric> I mean, they also appear with previous grep versions
[20:39:15] <leoric> let me retest
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[21:04:39] <leoric> rmustacc: sorry guys, the tests are the same as last time I've tested it. The difference in test suite result is related to incorrect PATH
[21:05:06] <leoric> and cores are not new
[21:05:35] <leoric> I mean, they are reproducible, but also affect old xpg4 grep version
[21:07:18] <rmustacc> OK, good to know.
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[21:20:45] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 8868 /usr/xpg4/bin/grep dumps core in find_nl() -- Matt Barden <matt.barden at nexenta dot com>
[21:21:11] <leoric> thanks
[21:31:04] <yurip> so, when we get it as default?
[21:31:50] <yurip> mnowak_: is the oi iso you mentioned available for download anywhere?
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[21:47:58] <danmcd> Thank you!
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[21:52:05] <jacobs> Other than to provide binary compatibility, is there a reason that illumos distros are still shipping a 32-bit userland? Are folks expecting/wanting to run on 32-bit hardware?
[21:52:55] <nbjoerg> 32bit programs tend to require less ram
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[21:58:08] <jacobs> So the 32bit userland is being perpetuated for low memory footprint. Barring that, nobody out there has any reasonable expectation of running on 32-bit hardware any more?
[21:58:26] <yurip> then you should have asked about the kernel, not userland
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[21:59:33] <nbjoerg> i.e. joyent certainly doesn't care at all about 32bit hardware
[21:59:43] <nbjoerg> no idea about the other illumos distros
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[22:12:57] <ptribble> I suspect the only distro that cares about 32-bit hardware (and has users with such hardware) is Tribblix
[22:13:37] <jacobs> I do see in a comment on one of the issues on illumos.org that "32-bit kernel will disappear soon." I was just wondering if anyone still cared much about the 32 bit userland and just how much was worth perpetuating.
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[22:30:39] <danmcd> Enough to keep it around for now.
[22:34:56] <rmustacc> leoric: Do you have any notes on how you things up for testing it if I wanted to poke at that?
[22:49:24] <tsoome> jacobs: the 32-bit userland is there for quite some time - it will take a lot of effort even to clean 64-bit errors from illumos-gate
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[23:15:46] <mnowak_> yurip, btw, just tried on Xen 4.9.1 and it's the same problem
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[23:50:07] <alanc> tsoome: only took us about 5 years to make the Oracle ON gate fully 64-bit clean, and build almost all programs as 64-bit, but that was a lot of work spread across a lot of people
[23:50:48] <alanc> (probably would have been less time if it was a higher priority and not easily pushed to the back burner constantly)
[23:50:49] <tsoome> indeed, and thats quite huge work
[23:51:29] <alanc> we also cheated a little by just throwing out old stuff that wasn't worth the effort
[23:53:20] <alanc> random annoyance for the OCD amongst you - just found out our fork contains the phrase "the the" over 450 times - I bet a bunch of those typos appear in your fork too
[23:55:36] <jollyd> tsoome: do you think it would make sense to provide my illumos-gate + oi-userland repository built with gcc 6.4 for broader testing to the hipster crowd?