November 30, 2016 
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I *tested* it at OpenZFS, using illumos tools he didn't think about (i.e. a DEBUG kernel).[16:35:53] *** psychicist__ <psychicist__!~psychicis@wlan-145-94-157-253.wlan.tudelft.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[16:37:00] <danmcd> Reviewing that wad would require at least an uninterrupted week.[16:39:30] <Agnar> danmcd: fosdem 2017? :)[16:39:39] <danmcd> Not for me this year. Sorry.[16:39:51] <Agnar> danmcd: there's still some french wine you have to taste ;)[16:39:58] <danmcd> (Feb 4th is my kids' birthday, and I can't afford to bring them along. :) )[16:40:11] <Agnar> oh, ok - good excuse :)[16:41:54] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.87.183> has joined #illumos[16:45:07] *** xzi11a <xzi11a!~robert@static-108-48-124-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[16:48:10] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.87.183> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[16:52:42] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@220-90-235-80.dyn.estpak.ee> has joined #illumos[16:53:25] *** esoel_ <esoel_!~esoel_@130.87-253-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk> has joined #illumos[16:58:22] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 7630 iwn_abort_scan() needs another mutex_exit() -- Hans Rosenfeld <rosenfeld at grumpf dot hope-2000.org>[17:06:25] *** mhicks <mhicks!~Adium@ip70-179-50-128.sd.sd.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[17:06:54] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 7627 Build should be smarter about how SGSPROTO is created -- Andrew Stormont <astormont at racktopsystems dot com>[17:08:42] <tsoome> can i have 6723 and 1599? tanks….[17:08:48] <tsoome> thanks:D[17:09:11] <tsoome> it is amazing how one char can change things…. :D[17:09:16] *** ira <ira!~ira@samba/team/ira> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[17:17:46] *** meandrain <meandrain!~meandrain@89.39.95.149> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[17:18:39] <Woodstock> tsoome: whats the state of 6723? gordon had some comments, did you address them?[17:22:11] <tsoome> in the latest mail there is the most current state, i think it should be it[17:22:36] *** slx86 <slx86!~Thunderbi@46-129-44-239.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: slx86)[17:24:12] <tsoome> I mean, it does only deliver commented out examples to /etc/skel/.profile - and this one will not affect existing users anyhow, as skel is only copied over on useradd (if told so)[17:24:27] *** freakazoid0223 <freakazoid0223!~chatzilla@pool-173-49-14-128.phlapa.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[17:25:44] <tsoome> if this is ok, I think the headsup is in order, as the distribution maintainers have to decide about the exact state in /etc/default/login[17:27:06] *** wacki <wacki!~wacki@p200300454647180042A8F0FFFE63E17C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #illumos[17:33:51] <Woodstock> tsoome: it's probably best if you ping gordon about it[17:34:08] *** trentm <trentm!~Adium@S01061c1b689f0aa5.vn.shawcable.net> has joined #illumos[17:35:39] <tsoome> ok, will do[17:36:40] *** theron <theron!~theron@2620:10d:c091:200::8:377e> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:51:47] *** dap_ <dap_!~dap@208.184.5.170> has joined #illumos[17:53:46] *** pcd_ is now known as pcd[17:53:51] *** user__ <user__!~livelace@46.101.54.207> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[18:00:07] *** jhendricks1 <jhendricks1!~jhendrick@8.12.47.4> has joined #illumos[18:00:59] *** Bryson <Bryson!~bryson@ip68-108-89-198.lv.lv.cox.net> has joined #illumos[18:02:07] *** wiedi <wiedi!~wiedi@ip5b41bdb7.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has quit IRC (Quit: ^Z)[18:02:35] *** merzo <merzo!~merzo@91.217.179.122> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[18:03:16] *** ericray <ericray!~ejray@c-73-243-199-104.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: ericray)[18:04:41] *** melloc <melloc!~melloc@c-73-162-7-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has joined #illumos[18:04:50] <gwr> I just searched my email for 6723 and I don't see anywhere that indicates I'm holding something up.[18:05:24] <gwr> Last I saw, rm asked josh to look at the RTI. 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Trying to convince team member to use illumos based OSes (again). I am wondering if anyone has any good article laying out benefits of using illumos (or even solaris in general) in lieu of Linux. I'm already convinced, just need help convincing others.[20:38:25] <daleg> I think a better place to start is: what would roles would it be used in?[20:38:32] <daleg> in your own context[20:39:19] <daleg> an illumos distro can be good at many things, but all of those things might not be relevant to your needs[20:39:57] <danmcd> (This line of thinking also helps you select an appropriate distro.)[20:41:50] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-77-114-68-130.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[20:42:33] <joe42> Running any of the following; File servers, Web servers (web applications), database servers, or for simply running zones of various sorts. We are currently split 3 ways in our infrastructure and use a mix of windows, centos & Ubuntu .... But maintenance or upkeep is really chaotic. Bugs are frequent, etc.[20:43:05] <tsoome> bugs will always be there, there is no exacpe from those nasty things:)[20:43:10] <tsoome> escape*[20:43:31] <danmcd> File Servers require either global zones, or if you use SMB/CIFS, unusual configurations outside non-global zones.[20:43:41] <danmcd> Which database?[20:43:42] <danmcd> (s)?[20:44:05] <danmcd> We run a lot of Postgres in-house on OmniOS (duh).[20:44:26] *** wacki <wacki!~wacki@p200300454647180042A8F0FFFE63E17C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:44:30] <joe42> We use a mix of MS SQL, mysql & oracle. I understand ms sql will not be movable.[20:44:39] <danmcd> If you want zones, zones, and more zones, maybe SmartOS?[20:45:40] <joe42> Does omnios perform well on vmware & openstack?[20:45:43] <tsoome> oracle would likely be an issue (sooner or later). unless oracle will start to support us;)[20:46:47] <danmcd> OmniOS as a guest? However we perform would be true for other distros.[20:47:02] *** Alek <Alek!~Alek@140.174.232.4> has joined #illumos[20:47:06] <danmcd> I don't know about openstack, but we should do okay on VMware.[20:47:27] *** Alek is now known as Guest44069[20:47:52] <joe42> Yes, as a guest I meant.[20:53:09] *** Guest44069 <Guest44069!~Alek@140.174.232.4> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[20:54:55] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-77-113-77-173.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #illumos[20:59:20] <daleg> illumos on top of vmware is doing it wrong, I would say.[21:02:24] *** Riastrad1 <Riastrad1!~riastradh@netbsd/developer/riastradh> has joined #illumos[21:03:25] *** Riastradh <Riastradh!~riastradh@netbsd/developer/riastradh> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[21:05:59] <jeffpc> richlowe: should we teach ld(1) how to merge whatever dwarf magic so that ctfmerge becomes unnecessary?[21:06:12] <jeffpc> richlowe: basically, I'm thinking that it's silly to cvt every .o, and then merge[21:06:26] <jeffpc> richlowe: why not have the linker merge the dwarf info all the time[21:06:38] <jeffpc> richlowe: and then, if you want ctf, you can cvt just the final binary[21:07:02] *** joe42 <joe42!d129a317@gateway/web/freenode/ip.209.41.163.23> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[21:08:37] <rmustacc> jeffpc: It's something I've looked at. Hence all the ctfconvert/merge as library functions.[21:09:23] <jeffpc> rmustacc: I thought you looked at ld doing conversion to ctf for .o files[21:09:37] <jeffpc> I guess the linker doesn't care that much if it is outputing a .o or final binary[21:09:41] <rmustacc> jeffpc: I was looking at a bit of everything.[21:09:57] <rmustacc> But the important stepping stone for me was getting a ctfconvert binary you could run on a fully linked thing.[21:10:07] <rmustacc> Which we do have.[21:10:09] <jeffpc> rmustacc: btw, I've been using your ctf changes for a while, and I see no problems[21:10:28] <jeffpc> rmustacc: aside from ctfdiff being totally useless - but that's probably a PEBKAC[21:10:53] <rmustacc> jeffpc: It's not terribly useful on its own. Mostly something I used for myself as part of debugging.[21:11:08] <rmustacc> It's certainly nowhere near as useful as it could be.[21:11:36] <rmustacc> But I need to look at some feedback from Rich on a few things in the conversion path.[21:11:37] <jeffpc> I tried a little experiment today - build a 2-source-file kernel module, but drop the ctfconvert calls[21:11:47] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@2001:470:f0f4:a0a:8476:3f65:6060:10f> has joined #illumos[21:11:49] <jeffpc> then I tried ctfconvert on the final binary - it did not work[21:12:10] <jeffpc> so, I assumed that ld was screwing things up[21:12:28] <rmustacc> I never tried kernel bits when I was experimenting.[21:12:30] <jeffpc> if I used gld to produce the kernel module, ctfconvert ran fine[21:12:55] <jeffpc> did not work = no ctf section is produced[21:20:00] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:20:06] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has joined #illumos[21:22:37] <richlowe> ld could do all, some, or none of the work productively.[21:22:42] <richlowe> doing it in stages as rmustacc is is likely sane[21:22:48] <richlowe> as it isolates you from some weirdness of the linker.[21:23:36] <richlowe> ctfconvert of the final binary, with rmustacc's changes and my fix, should usually work.[21:23:43] <richlowe> jbk did work on that also[21:23:47] <richlowe> so I could be puzzling the two together.[21:23:48] <jeffpc> richlowe: which fix?[21:24:01] <richlowe> I fixed a silly dwarf bug exposed by a silly nvme bug.[21:24:10] <richlowe> 33bit bitfields made the whole world shit.[21:24:18] <richlowe> to the tune of that one coke commercial.[21:24:41] <jeffpc> richlowe: that shouldn't affect other binaries no?[21:24:50] <richlowe> no, and when I used rm's stuff they went fine[21:24:51] <jeffpc> FWIW, I played with iwi[21:25:15] <richlowe> this is one of those cases where sanity and goals don't align too well.[21:25:24] <richlowe> _sanity_ is gcc producing ctf, ld merging it.[21:25:37] <richlowe> _immediately useful_ is ld doing both.[21:25:48] <richlowe> _also, but differently, sane_ is setting CTF on fire and just using DWARF[21:25:55] <richlowe> given the really shit part of DWARF relates to info we don't need or use.[21:26:02] <jeffpc> right[21:26:03] <richlowe> and the modestly shit part of DWARF is suitable[21:26:12] <richlowe> and stripping only the evil is entirely possible[21:26:33] <richlowe> but honestly, I don't care about any of this stuff because rm is caring wonderfully for me[21:26:40] <richlowe> so whatever robert wishes to do, I'm fine with.[21:26:48] <richlowe> or whatever someone else smart and doing shit wants to do, for that matter.[21:27:04] <richlowe> I don't have opinions unless your ideas suck, or _I_ have to do something.[21:27:21] <jeffpc> in case I wasn't entirely clear, what I'm talking about: gcc -c a.c; gcc -c b.c; ld -r -o ab.o a.o b.c; ctfconvert ab.o[21:27:32] <richlowe> should work, iirc.[21:27:39] <jeffpc> it didn't if I used illumos ld[21:27:43] <jeffpc> it worked if I used gld[21:27:47] <richlowe> the -r may complicate things.[21:27:53] <richlowe> but use bugger-ld and file a bug, probably.[21:27:58] <richlowe> and Cc robert in case it's his fault. :)[21:28:11] <jeffpc> heh[21:28:22] <richlowe> the cases I care most about are: gcc ... -o foo; ctfconvert foo[21:28:33] *** theron <theron!~theron@2620:10d:c091:200::8:7a87> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:28:36] <richlowe> I hadn't really considered relocatable object output[21:28:44] <richlowe> because it only matters to the kernel, and it does whatever we tell it[21:28:51] <richlowe> whereas the major goal is making userland debuggable.[21:28:56] <jeffpc> right[21:28:59] <richlowe> hence either understanding DWARF, forcing it to CTF, or both.[21:29:37] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@2001:470:f0f4:a0a:8476:3f65:6060:10f> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[21:29:40] <richlowe> anyway, caring about these things is somewhere 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