November 29, 2016 
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November 29, 2016 [00:00:11] <tsoome> but this Andriy’s idea I did figure *may* be quite good compromise anyhow..[00:00:44] <rmustacc> Which one, UEFI attrs?[00:03:45] <tsoome> no the nextboot i did link[00:04:44] <tsoome> the idea is his, but I did attempt to bring a bit more illumos spirit to it by adding beadm activate -t etc[00:07:26] *** Bryson <Bryson!~bryson@ip68-108-89-198.lv.lv.cox.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[00:08:56] *** xzi11a <xzi11a!~robert@static-108-48-124-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[00:09:19] *** esoel_ <esoel_!~esoel_@94.197.121.171.threembb.co.uk> has joined #illumos[00:11:12] *** theron <theron!~theron@2620:10d:c091:200::e:e946> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:14:17] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.87.183> has joined #illumos[00:19:57] *** ngchk1 <ngchk1!~wilkens@business-178-015-081-200.static.arcor-ip.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:28:50] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.87.183> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[00:30:46] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.87.183> has joined #illumos[00:32:07] *** andy_js <andy_js!~andy@2.218.92.54> has quit IRC (Quit: andy_js)[00:33:51] *** esoel_ <esoel_!~esoel_@94.197.121.171.threembb.co.uk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[00:41:00] <rmustacc> Anyone else happen to have a system post-7571?[00:41:11] <rmustacc> Trying to figure out if we have a merge bug or if there's a regression.[00:44:38] <rmustacc> pcd: Do you all happen to have a system with 7571 around?[00:46:26] <pcd> rmustacc: Checking[00:46:46] <rmustacc> pcd: It came from Delphix, so I assume so.[00:46:52] <tsoome> you mean at 7571 or anything above it?[00:47:02] <rmustacc> But we're seeing some weird behavior where inheirted properties are now no longer showing up.[00:47:11] <rmustacc> It's very weird to see a volblocksize of a zvol showing up as -[00:47:11] <pcd> rmustacc: I don't have one with the illumos version, so if you're worried about a merge issue, I can't help immediately[00:47:23] <rmustacc> pcd: No, more trying to understand behavior and expectations there.[00:47:24] <tsoome> I did see something[00:47:36] <pcd> rmustacc: yeah, I have VMs with our version of the fix[00:47:45] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.87.183> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[00:48:29] <pcd> rmustacc: I will create a pool with a zvol and look at volblocksize[00:48:39] <tsoome> in one case the volblocksize was not shown[00:49:01] *** ericray <ericray!~ejray@157.97.121.17> has joined #illumos[00:49:19] <rmustacc> tsoome: You see it as well, that's somewhat reassuring.[00:49:38] <tsoome> I can not find it now, let me check some of my VM's[00:49:59] <rmustacc> If we explicitly ask for it, it shows up as -[00:51:09] *** Lirion <Lirion!~m00se@wikimedia-commons/Lirion> has quit IRC (Quit: echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D4D465452snlb xq |dc)[00:51:21] <rmustacc> We noticed this through something like 'zfs list -H -p -t volume -o name,volblocksize'[00:51:53] <pcd> rmustacc: I get "8192" for my test zvol, created with `sudo zfs create -V 1G test/zv`[00:52:17] <rmustacc> tsoome: But you're getting it on stock bits right?[00:53:19] <tsoome> booting another one, so far the ones I have checking, do have it...[00:53:50] <rmustacc> pcd: Gotcha, thanks.[00:54:19] <pcd> rmustacc: oh, sorry, we have a fix for this[00:54:21] <pcd> just found it in the log[00:54:43] <rmustacc> pcd: Oh, okay. Should we back out the change that caused this until it's ready?[00:54:47] <pcd> I don't know why we didn't upstream it with 7571[00:54:57] <pcd> let me ping internall and see how long until we upstream it[00:55:10] <rmustacc> OK, because we've got a lot of broken folks with it at the moment.[00:56:37] <tsoome> well, I can not confirm right now, but I did see one such case with zvol volblocksize not showing up.[00:56:39] *** Lirion <Lirion!~m00se@wikimedia-commons/Lirion> has joined #illumos[00:57:26] <pcd> rmustacc: we've got a PR with the fix here https://github.com/openzfs/openzfs/pull/244[01:00:45] <rmustacc> pcd: OK, any ETA on that?[01:01:58] *** gwr <gwr!~gwr@pool-72-74-26-75.bstnma.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[01:06:22] <richlowe> a combination of y'all insisting on doing things differently, and y'all messing up doing it differently, is not going to be seen favourably.[01:06:39] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.87.183> has joined #illumos[01:09:09] <pcd> rmustacc: "whenever mahrens has time to RTI it to illumos". The PR should be accepted in the next day or two, I think[01:09:28] <pcd> (I mean, I suspect someone else could RTI it and we'd be fine with that, that's just when we expect to drive it through)[01:09:36] <richlowe> given that, I would back it out.[01:09:41] <richlowe> I would also shout very loudly at people[01:09:43] <richlowe> but maybe that's just me[01:09:56] <richlowe> but it sure looks like you just said "We fucked up, and we'll fix it when we have time?"[01:09:58] <richlowe> and fuck that.[01:11:29] <pcd> richlowe: Well, I'm not in charge of these things, but I don't think we realized anyone had hit this. We'll have an RTI in tonight[01:11:39] *** Bryson <Bryson!~bryson@ip68-108-89-198.lv.lv.cox.net> has joined #illumos[01:11:39] <pcd> will that do?[01:13:06] <richlowe> it's certainly better.[01:13:27] *** makruger <makruger!~Michael@pool-108-20-232-57.bstnma.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[01:23:22] <rmustacc> pcd: OK, thanks for the update.[01:23:54] <pcd> rmustacc: sure thing, sorry about the mess[01:25:02] <rmustacc> No worries.[01:25:05] <rmustacc> It happens.[01:26:30] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.87.183> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[01:32:14] *** ericray <ericray!~ejray@157.97.121.17> has quit IRC (Quit: ericray)[01:44:29] *** gwr <gwr!~gwr@198-0-156-43-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #illumos[01:50:05] *** p7mo_ <p7mo_!~pmo@ricasa01.informatik.uni-bremen.de> has joined #illumos[01:50:30] *** p7mo <p7mo!~pmo@ricasa01.informatik.uni-bremen.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[01:53:25] *** ericray 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memory errors. I bet it is related to the ASLR feature. but...svc:/system/process-security is disabled...any ideas what I could do?[10:48:27] <igork> Agnar: is it binary or you can re-build it?[10:48:34] <Agnar> binary, closed-source[10:48:46] <igork> try to load system before aslr integrated and try to check first[10:50:05] <Agnar> igork: it worked before my last OI update (which was pretty old...) and now dumps core with memory fault. that looks excactly like the mails on illumos-dev regarding the boot-cd problems[10:50:30] <igork> try to build illumos with revision before aslr integrate[10:51:19] <igork> i don't remember my problems with aslr when i tried to test it and revert is back - but now i have no problems[10:52:03] <igork> but i'm bot using a lot closed-sources binaries - only couple of drivers like mpt[10:52:51] <igork> also - pax with ACL support, because opensource pax has no ACL support[10:53:29] <Agnar> ok, building my own illumos is not a way for me. so i'll look if it can be solved with a sol10 brandz or with a kvm.[10:53:37] <Agnar> which is sick. but hey.[10:53:45] <igork> it is just for testing/confirmation[10:53:56] <igork> probably it is not related to aslr[10:54:17] <igork> and you hit another issue[10:55:29] <Agnar> igork: yes that might be. but I don't have the time to bake my own illumos and try that on my (productive) notebook. 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;)[14:29:09] <denk> a test program prints "inf"[14:33:17] <alp> sorry, my error[14:33:56] <alp> it considers INF-INF to be NAN[14:34:46] <alp> and it's 0.0[14:37:26] *** theron <theron!~theron@2620:10d:c091:200::62e> has joined #illumos[14:38:35] <ptribble> INF-INF should be NAN[14:40:38] <alp> can you check in your environment? #define INFINITY (DBL_MAX+DBL_MAX)[14:40:38] <alp> #define NAN INFINITY - INFINITY[14:40:47] <alp> printf ("%f\n",NAN);[14:42:55] <alp> And when compiled with -m64 it's really prints NaN[14:43:12] <alp> with -m32 - 0.0000[14:48:35] <denk> only clang prints nan[14:51:58] <ptribble> You've redefined INFINITY and NAN[14:53:44] <alp> And when should they be defined?[14:54:36] <alp> they defined only with std=c99[14:54:42] <ptribble> They're part of the standard (with C99, at least), in math.h[14:55:23] <alp> and not defined for c89, so vim tries to define them[15:01:43] <ptribble> Well, 1.0/0.0 would be the normal way to do so[15:03:21] *** alanc <alanc!~alanc@inet-hqmc01-o.oracle.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:03:41] <alp> compiling it with '-std=c99 -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=600' solved the issue I've seen with isnan(NaN) == 0[15:04:11] *** FuntDobraWork <FuntDobraWork!~FuntDobra@212.34.53.106> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[15:05:00] *** alanc <alanc!~alanc@inet-hqmc01-o.oracle.com> has joined #illumos[15:05:18] <alp> INFINITY - INFINITY == -NaN...[15:06:44] <alp> I bet std=c99 is the best way to fix this mess[15:11:08] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@cpe-104-228-216-170.maine.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[15:22:55] *** jcea <jcea!~Thunderbi@ks27448.kimsufi.com> has joined #illumos[15:36:13] *** gila <gila!~textual@5ED4FE92.cm-7-5d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[15:38:56] *** gila <gila!~textual@5ED4FE92.cm-7-5d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #illumos[15:51:48] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has joined #illumos[15:54:47] *** mhicks <mhicks!~Adium@ip70-179-50-128.sd.sd.cox.net> has joined #illumos[16:05:47] *** esoel_ <esoel_!~esoel_@130.87-253-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[16:05:48] *** esoel__ <esoel__!~esoel_@194.168.87.19> has joined #illumos[16:06:34] *** esoel_ <esoel_!~esoel_@130.87-253-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk> has joined #illumos[16:10:11] *** esoel__ <esoel__!~esoel_@194.168.87.19> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[16:10:41] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@41-11-196-88.dyn.estpak.ee> has quit IRC (Quit: tsoome)[16:12:31] *** MilkmanDan <MilkmanDan!~dan@wilug/expat/MilkmanDan> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[16:12:42] *** Riastradh <Riastradh!~riastradh@netbsd/developer/riastradh> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[16:13:56] *** MilkmanDan <MilkmanDan!~dan@wilug/expat/MilkmanDan> has joined #illumos[16:20:21] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.87.183> has joined #illumos[16:20:39] *** xzi11a <xzi11a!~robert@static-108-48-124-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[16:40:26] *** ira <ira!~ira@samba/team/ira> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:43:25] *** ira <ira!~ira@samba/team/ira> has joined #illumos[16:44:05] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.87.183> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[16:54:14] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@220-90-235-80.dyn.estpak.ee> has joined #illumos[16:56:12] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@c-73-162-7-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has joined #illumos[16:57:37] *** jhendricks1 <jhendricks1!~jhendrick@8.12.47.4> has joined #illumos[16:57:55] *** jhendricks1 <jhendricks1!~jhendrick@8.12.47.4> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:58:11] *** pmooney <pmooney!~pmooney@50-93-248-179.fttp.usinternet.com> has joined #illumos[16:59:28] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.87.183> has joined #illumos[17:00:02] *** jhendricks1 <jhendricks1!~jhendrick@c-73-162-7-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has joined #illumos[17:00:20] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@c-73-162-7-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[17:03:07] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@8.12.47.4> has joined #illumos[17:03:56] *** jhendricks1 <jhendricks1!~jhendrick@c-73-162-7-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:06:39] *** yurip <yurip!~yuri@188.170.205.22> has joined #illumos[17:07:42] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@8.12.47.4> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[17:09:04] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 6911 nfs4: unexpected permission denied -- Marcel Telka <marcel at telka dot sk>[17:12:39] *** leoric <leoric!~leoric@176.212.41.115> has joined #illumos[17:14:44] <danmcd> alp: Dumb question, this is for VIM8? I don't recall seeing those. OTOH, I compile omnios-build bits with gcc51, and that defaults to std=gnu99.[17:16:30] <leoric> yes[17:17:22] <leoric> vim tests (gmake test) fail here and there...[17:17:47] <leoric> std=gnu99 should fix that particular issue[17:18:27] *** matejz <matejz!~matejz@141.255.254.208> has quit IRC (Quit: matejz)[17:20:32] *** chrustler <chrustler!~chrustler@94-137-110-36.customers.ownit.se> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:22:06] <jperkin> we started building it with C99 earlier this year, though that was because it introduced a requirement on isinf()[17:23:04] *** Riastradh <Riastradh!~riastradh@netbsd/developer/riastradh> has joined #illumos[17:27:22] <danmcd> Phew... I thought I'd missed something really bad. As it is, VIM8's defaults are a bit unsettling to this 33%-vi user.[17:27:30] <danmcd> 33-50%.[17:30:04] <richlowe> danmcd: ITS THE FUTURE[17:30:11] <richlowe> using 33% of vi makes you an expert these days ;)[17:30:17] <richlowe> hell, knowing 33% of vi exists...[17:30:29] <danmcd> No no no... I use vi 33% OF THE TIME I SPEND IN A TEXT EDITOR.[17:30:47] <danmcd> I didn't make any claim about how much of vi I know (or emacs, for that matter).[17:30:59] <danmcd> vim is trying to make my %-age knowing shrink to emacs's levels, though.[17:31:02] <richlowe> I know, I'm just keithing.[17:31:03] <richlowe> someone has to.[17:31:23] <danmcd> We've enough keithing in the real world right now, thank you very much. :-P[17:31:45] <rmustacc> You're preparing your fields for the winter?[17:32:33] <rmustacc> Or did you go from 1st-4th in MK64 in a sec or two (what we called a 'Keithing')[17:33:02] <richlowe> MK64 is a sinful abomination upon the good name of Super Mario Kart.[17:33:17] <richlowe> y'all are idolaters.[17:33:34] <rmustacc> Is that because you can't race without getting the coins to speed you up?[17:36:43] <danmcd> Sorry... went from 2600 as a kid right to Wii & WiiU with P&E. The 90s consoles don't exist in my dojo.[17:37:09] <danmcd> Well, except for Sega & NHL, but that was my housemate's, not mine.[17:37:13] *** natkin <natkin!~textual@cpe-70-117-117-128.austin.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[17:38:03] <jperkin> 2600 was my first experience with Solaris (badumtish)[17:38:29] <tsoome> mk… mk.. I used to have this one: http://www.spyropoulos.net/calcs-other/Elektronika_MK52.jpg :D[17:39:59] <danmcd> 2600 is quite overloaded. Do you mean the Cap'n Crunch whistle tone (from which the magazine derived its name?), or the "Atari VCS" as it was originally called.[17:40:19] <jperkin> the crappy atari console[17:40:30] <Kurlon> How DARE you call it crappy good sir.[17:40:41] <Kurlon> It was a major improvement from the pong clones before it.[17:41:11] <danmcd> Plus it was the predecessor to the 8-bit Atari computers, where I cut my teeth (and burned out one POKEY chip by being stupid).[17:42:05] *** esoel__ <esoel__!~esoel_@212.44.61.168.ip.redstone-isp.net> has joined #illumos[17:42:49] *** ericray <ericray!~ejray@c-73-243-199-104.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: ericray)[17:43:25] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.87.183> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:45:04] *** esoel_ <esoel_!~esoel_@130.87-253-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[17:50:09] <daleg> tsoome: is that a vacuum fluorescent display on the mk 52?[17:50:28] <tsoome> think so[17:51:07] 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