November 28, 2016 
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ZZZzzz…)[11:47:27] *** psychicist__ <psychicist__!~psychicis@ip127-8-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl> has joined #illumos[11:52:21] <flo59> Hello ! I have some probleme to rebase a patch i did on open-zfs, on omnios-illumos. Is there any "tuto" that explain how easily switch dev env between illusmos-gate, omnios-illumos, and openzfs ? Or it may not be "easily" possible ?[12:00:21] <igork> it's not easy[12:00:33] <igork> because latest revisions can be different[12:00:37] <igork> time to time[12:00:52] <igork> you have to use one repo as master[12:00:57] <igork> flo59 : ^^^[12:15:09] *** esoel_ <esoel_!~esoel_@130.87-253-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[12:15:34] *** esoel_ <esoel_!~esoel_@130.87-253-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk> has joined #illumos[12:31:21] *** jperkin <jperkin!irc@custard.perkin.org.uk> has joined #illumos[12:39:28] *** shyu <shyu!~shyu@111.197.86.24> has joined #illumos[12:39:49] *** shyu <shyu!~shyu@111.197.86.24> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[12:40:07] *** shyu <shyu!~shyu@111.197.86.24> has joined #illumos[12:41:49] *** shyu <shyu!~shyu@111.197.86.24> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[12:44:08] *** matejz <matejz!~matejz@element.planetq.org> has joined #illumos[13:01:40] *** nshp <nshp!~hi@my.domain.is.better.thanyours.com> has quit 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new 10G cards :)[13:51:12] <jzu_> for a new Triton deployment[13:53:02] *** ericray <ericray!~ejray@157.97.121.26> has quit IRC (Quit: ericray)[14:05:36] *** ptribble <ptribble!~ptribble@cpc108961-cmbg20-2-0-cust21.5-4.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[14:05:43] *** matejz <matejz!~matejz@element.planetq.org> has joined #illumos[14:06:28] <jzu_> this for example: https://www.mellanox.com/related-docs/prod_adapter_cards/PB_ConnectX-3_Pro_Card_EN.pdf[14:06:39] <jzu_> MCX312B-XCCT[14:06:41] <jzu_> Mellanox ConnectX-3 Pro EN dual 10GBase SFP+ PCI-e x8 3.0 SR-IOV VXLAN[14:11:27] <tsoome> its likely one of the most asked for drivers;)[14:12:46] <tsoome> SR-IOV is also not supported, and so is vxlan…[14:13:18] <tsoome> unless smartos has received something..[14:15:44] *** ira <ira!~ira@samba/team/ira> has joined #illumos[14:28:24] *** shyu <shyu!~shyu@111.197.86.24> has joined #illumos[14:31:28] *** psychicist__ <psychicist__!~psychicis@ip127-8-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[14:34:38] <jzu_> Ok, so what would be good choise for 10G adapter then?[14:36:24] *** psychicist__ <psychicist__!~psychicis@ip127-8-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl> has joined #illumos[14:39:51] *** matejz <matejz!~matejz@element.planetq.org> has quit IRC (Quit: matejz)[14:41:22] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.87.183> has joined #illumos[14:51:30] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@2602:304:b361:69e0:462:2688:376f:749a> has joined #illumos[14:51:38] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@2602:304:b361:69e0:462:2688:376f:749a> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:04:55] <tsoome> 10G ethernet from intel at least has drivers….[15:07:09] <jzu_> so Intel might be the only choise then[15:10:14] *** aaro <aaro!~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[15:11:12] *** shyu <shyu!~shyu@111.197.86.24> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[15:11:48] <tsoome> pkg search -r ethernet does list some[15:13:52] *** jcea 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Or if it can do writes to files, in addition to reads? It sounds kinda like yes, since fopen talks about O_WRONLY and O_RDWR, but there is no frwite word.[23:43:58] <rmustacc> pcd: tsoome is the person you want. Though I suspect that most of the bootloaders have generally been read-only with ZFS.[23:45:21] *** ericray <ericray!~ejray@157.97.121.130> has quit IRC (Quit: ericray)[23:46:11] <tsoome> right now we do not implement fwrite word. Obviously it can be done, the question is about data safety.[23:46:33] <tsoome> or justification.[23:47:08] <rmustacc> Something particular you looking to do pcd?[23:47:38] <pcd> The goal is to be able to boot to a fallback environment after some number of boot failures[23:47:46] <pcd> even without access to the serial console[23:47:47] <tsoome> eh…[23:48:55] <tsoome> maybe this one: https://www.illumos.org/rb/r/249/[23:51:22] <tsoome> i did post it to developers list….[23:51:26] <pcd> tsoome: yeah, I suspect a variant of this would do what I want.[23:51:46] <rmustacc> Depends on basically what class of failures you're looking for.[23:51:55] <rmustacc> And how do you know if you failed or not.[23:51:59] <pcd> tsoome: you did, I was curious whether there was another way to do it more directly[23:52:22] <pcd> rmustacc: yeah. Defining the failure and success semantics is tricky[23:52:32] <rmustacc> And even the question of how you're going to write this stuff is tricky.[23:52:40] <rmustacc> Like are you just going to stick it in the label or somewhere else.[23:52:50] <pcd> is it a sucessful boot if some other pool fails to import? It probably *isn't* if it panics, but is if it just fails?[23:53:13] *** ira <ira!~ira@samba/team/ira> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:53:41] <rmustacc> In most cases, I'd say yes, but once you start wanting higher level semantics, you likely want a higher level way to indicate success or failure.[23:53:45] <pcd> yeah[23:53:52] <pcd> it turns out that grub has some support for something like this[23:53:58] <pcd> but it is, uh, exciting[23:54:02] <pcd> in that it doesn't invoke zfs writes[23:54:06] <pcd> it just does a raw write to the disk...[23:54:17] <rmustacc> That's about all you'd be getting out of most bootloaders, I'd presume.[23:54:31] <rmustacc> Memory and text size constraints abound.[23:54:41] <tsoome> note we do not write to zfs here too[23:54:55] <tsoome> that would be way too dangerous[23:55:05] <rmustacc> May be worth thinking about leveraging something like pxe to get custom menu's.[23:55:07] <pcd> tsoome: yeah[23:55:17] <rmustacc> Where you can see how many requests you've had versus a successful post.[23:56:40] <pcd> rmustacc: Not sure how well that'll work in our particular use case, but definitely something to consider in the more general case[23:57:26] <tsoome> while the only media we have is disk, the options for notification are very limited. another possibility is to use GPT attributes as it is also done for fbsd ufs boot, but thats quite nasty to deal with as the risk of corrupting your disk label is quite real.[23:57:49] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@cpe-104-228-216-170.maine.res.rr.com> has joined #illumos[23:58:15] <pcd> yeah[23:58:28] <tsoome> with uefi we would also have firmware variables, but uefi will take some time still.[23:58:53] <rmustacc> And even then corrupting those has catastrophic consequences (though usually is a bit harder to do)[23:59:00] <tsoome> yes[23:59:10] <tsoome> exactly, as it was seen with linux ...[23:59:20] <rmustacc> Though to be fair, that was because users deleted everything.[23:59:29] <pcd> yeah, doing anything in preboot environments is always a bit fraught[23:59:37] <pcd> it's a good way to destroy everything you love