November 23, 2016 
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November 23, 2016 [00:05:22] *** matejz <matejz!~matejz@element.planetq.org> has quit IRC (Quit: matejz)[00:05:58] *** Alek <Alek!~Alek@140.174.232.4> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[00:07:17] *** psychicist__ <psychicist__!~psychicis@ip127-8-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[00:09:07] *** aaro <aaro!~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147> has joined #illumos[00:11:49] *** andy_js <andy_js!~andy@2.218.92.54> has quit IRC (Quit: andy_js)[00:11:50] *** movement <movement!~johnlev@82-69-60-206.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk> has joined #illumos[00:14:50] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 7595 sgs native-proto fails on pre-7029 illumos-gate -- Andrew Stormont <astormont at racktopsystems dot com>[00:15:05] *** xzi11a <xzi11a!~robert@pool-71-244-148-68.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[00:16:37] <wilbury> can i set thread credentials (uid/gid) in illumos?[00:21:21] <rmustacc> wilbury: IIRC the cred is basically a process-wide thing.[00:21:54] <rmustacc> So, it's really all or nothing.[00:22:05] <daleg> each proc has a ucred_t[00:22:11] <wilbury> http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/bsd/kern/kern_prot.c?v=xnu-1228#L1354[00:22:30] <wilbury> if darwin has it, why not illumos?[00:22:31] <wilbury> :-)[00:23:06] <wilbury> it comes very handy in webservers where one can run mod_ruid with threading apache model[00:23:24] <wilbury> thus, prefork can be avoided for better performance.[00:25:12] <rmustacc> I'd be curious to understand how the per-thread stuff works across having global sets here.[00:25:44] <rmustacc> Like how do privileges work in that model, does a call to setuid() override every thread or not, etc.[00:28:51] <wilbury> apparently it works somehow.[00:29:16] <daleg> I think the question is /how/ it works, not /if/ it works[00:29:53] <nbjoerg> darwin is a strange kernel...[00:30:00] <daleg> a call like that should have some very deterministic results[00:30:17] *** Bryson <Bryson!~bryson@96-84-120-10-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Bryson)[00:30:41] <daleg> especially when you're trying to make distinctions on a thread level for things that normally only are process-wide[00:31:19] <daleg> there's apparently no man page for settid on my mac[00:31:33] <daleg> so as far as I can tell, it's also undocumented[00:35:03] <daleg> this looks very much like an internal Darwin-ism[00:35:40] <rmustacc> I think it also exists in Linux as a result of their whole everything's a process model.[00:37:41] <daleg> yeah seems so, including something called settid_with_pid()[00:39:28] *** Alek <Alek!~Alek@c-50-168-4-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has joined #illumos[00:55:25] <wilbury> i'm trying to find a way how to update mod_ruid to: - use threaded webserver, - run on modern solaris[00:55:58] <wilbury> (and yes, i try to avoid linux, which would have seem inevitable)[00:56:38] <wilbury> so far i use my own priv-capable module with apache prefork -> scales not very well[00:57:00] <wilbury> but in conjunction with zfs extended ACLs it is very powerful.[01:05:22] *** daleg <daleg!~daleg@static-108-48-124-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC ()[01:06:29] <CoachMcGuirk> wilbury, hmm[01:06:42] <CoachMcGuirk> depending on how complex the module is, making it thread-safe may not be that difficult[01:06:48] <CoachMcGuirk> (im blindly saying this)[01:07:11] <CoachMcGuirk> "-it runs only on Linux because only the Linux kernel has implemented the required process capabilities.[01:07:17] <CoachMcGuirk> thats mod_ruid2[01:07:52] <CoachMcGuirk> thats a nice feature it has though - per-vhost uid/gid[01:08:00] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@cpe-104-228-216-170.maine.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:08:37] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has joined #illumos[01:09:04] *** openzfsslackbot <openzfsslackbot!~nobody@ec2-52-23-198-104.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has left #illumos[01:09:25] *** openzfsslackbot <openzfsslackbot!~nobody@ec2-52-23-198-104.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined 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ZZZzzz…)[18:27:14] *** anniz <anniz!~anniz@c83-250-15-118.bredband.comhem.se> has joined #illumos[18:41:34] <richlowe> tsoome: the way bfu worked necessitated twisted magic[18:41:37] <richlowe> tsoome: where is some of it lingering?[18:42:51] <tsoome> cmd/boot/scripts/create_ramdisk.ksh[18:43:19] <tsoome> it also is checking for 5.8 ;)[18:44:08] <richlowe> I keep meaning to go through ld and clean up the relics left to ease backports.[18:50:43] *** makruger <makruger!~Michael@c-73-238-122-116.hsd1.vt.comcast.net> has joined #illumos[18:51:20] *** nikolam <nikolam!~nikolam@unaffiliated/nikolam> has joined #illumos[18:58:02] <tsoome> and then there is usr/src/lib/libdevinfo/devfsinfo.c attempting to dig out the boot devices… not even sure what to do with it…[19:00:03] <richlowe> look for consumers, see what they need[19:01:04] <tsoome> according to opengrok - there are none.[19:01:14] <tsoome> and its SUNWprivate[19:01:41] <richlowe> then I'd double check with alp and danmcd re: the 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