November 14, 2016 
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That way netatalk metadata is in the same place when you need to zfs-rollback after Time Machine borks the HFS+ filesystem—as it tends to do intermittently for no discernible reason.[06:35:16] <igork> natkin: i have no plans to do snapshorts on dataset for time machine[06:35:55] <igork> it is mirrored zpool[06:36:45] <natkin> igork: That's unwise. ZFS is reliable; Time Machine/HFS+ is not. You'll have no way to rollback when Time Machine corrupts.[06:37:25] <igork> interest - how it can corrupts?[06:37:52] <igork> i have no experience with time machine yet[06:38:58] <natkin> It doesn't have the copy-on-write guarantee of ZFS. It can corrupt on network hiccup. I speak from experience: zfs-snapshot for Time Machine is salvation.[06:39:24] <igork> thanks for info[06:40:27] <igork> natkin: do you have example for afp.conf with recommended options?[06:40:35] <igork> gist/paste will be fine[06:42:17] *** igitoor <igitoor!igitur@unaffiliated/contempt> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[06:42:18] <natkin> Yes: http://pastebin.com/emHmJf3U.[06:42:51] <igork> also, original time machine app to do hourly incremental backups. im interested in - how it is usable? how it can be configured to do it less in day?[06:42:58] <igork> thanks for example[06:43:10] <igork> will try to do similar[06:43:59] *** igitoor <igitoor!igitur@2a00:d880:3:1::c1ca:a648> has joined #illumos[06:45:54] *** igitoor <igitoor!igitur@2a00:d880:3:1::c1ca:a648> has quit IRC (Changing host)[06:45:54] *** igitoor <igitoor!igitur@unaffiliated/contempt> has joined #illumos[06:48:52] <natkin> I've not investigated that, though I have wished it to back up more frequently actually. In the best case, the backup uses /.fsventsd, so it's optimized to minimize the number of copied files. (Though directory hard-links are a nearly constant expense each iteration).[06:58:14] <igork> natkin: do you know - is it possible update afp.conf and say to netatalk re-read it - instead of restart it?[07:00:00] <natkin> No, it has no delta-analysis. Though that would be nice.[07:02:53] <natkin> As mentioned in the discussion I saw on this channel earlier, AFP is deprecated—but it's still the only usable option for Time Machine. I wonder if that changes next summer.[07:10:06] <igork> natkin: what do you think: enable quota to zfs dataset or enable 'vol size limit' for afp share?[07:10:15] <igork> what will be better?[07:11:20] *** saint_dogbert <saint_dogbert!~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[07:13:13] <natkin> vol size limit is the property which will cue Time Machine to trim backups to stay within quota. ZFS-quota will just halt TM in its tracks as it greedily tries to use all the space it can.[07:36:37] *** merzo <merzo!~merzo@93-195-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[07:55:17] *** meandrain <meandrain!~meandrain@89.39.95.149> has joined #illumos[08:01:23] *** merzo <merzo!~merzo@93-195-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net> has joined #illumos[08:14:20] *** merzo <merzo!~merzo@93-195-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[08:23:10] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@220-90-235-80.dyn.estpak.ee> has quit IRC (Quit: tsoome)[08:34:12] *** matejz <matejz!~matejz@141.255.254.208> has joined #illumos[09:00:47] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@220.166.250.65> has joined #illumos[09:05:58] *** natkin <natkin!~textual@cpe-70-117-117-128.austin.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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*** andy_js <andy_js!~andy@2.218.92.54> has joined #illumos[12:53:08] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@220.166.250.65> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[12:54:51] *** alp <alp!~alp@pyhalov.cc.rsu.ru> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[12:56:37] <igork> it is possible try to compile, but try to do it working - it is the question...[13:00:03] *** alp <alp!~alp@pyhalov.cc.rsu.ru> has joined #illumos[13:01:18] <_mjg> don't they require fuse?[13:04:51] <igork> _mjg: it will depend how you want to use it :)[13:09:23] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@220.166.250.65> has joined #illumos[13:10:17] *** myrkraverk <myrkraverk!~chatzilla@124.106.138.24> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:15:06] *** jcea <jcea!~Thunderbi@ks27448.kimsufi.com> has joined #illumos[13:20:48] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@220.166.250.65> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[13:21:14] <tsoome> it definitely would be nice to get the functional builds from those;)[13:36:54] *** Tempt <Tempt!~avenger@unaffiliated/tempt> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[13:37:23] <dagbrown> Well ZFS o Linux did an end-run around the whole FUSE thing by making itself a loadable module[13:38:19] <dagbrown> What I want to do is to get CephFS or glusterfs working natively in IllumOS to provide hardware-level support for either of those, and whichever I can get working first will likely be the victor[13:38:49] <dagbrown> I've gotten HadoopFS working, but that's in Java, which makes my nose wrinkle up in an unattractive way[13:44:58] <sensille> dagbrown: I would be interested in the results if you're successful[13:47:08] <dagbrown> sensille: I would be interested in the results if anyone else is successful too :P[13:47:26] <igork> hehe :) i'll be interested in results too :)[13:47:59] <dagbrown> I'm currently banging away at glusterfss[13:48:18] <dagbrown> I've been putting lots of "#ifndef sun" into its source code to try to get it to build[13:48:51] <dagbrown> I've been trying to build it on OmniOS if anyone cares[13:49:05] <igork> what compile?[13:49:27] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@li755-21.members.linode.com> has joined #illumos[13:49:28] <dagbrown> The OmniOS gcc 5 developer environment[13:50:00] <igork> cool[13:51:20] <dagbrown> But it doesn't even build all the way, and what I've got to build has some significant edits[13:52:35] <sensille> what kind of dependencies are there on linux?[13:53:16] <dagbrown> There are a mountain of dependencies for both CephFS and glusterfs[13:56:12] <dagbrown> The major dependencies are leveldb, boost, cython and openldap[13:57:07] <dagbrown> The extra dependencies on Sphinx, fcgi, and something called snappy are also amusing[13:59:56] *** tozhu1 <tozhu1!~Thunderbi@220.166.250.65> has joined #illumos[14:00:02] <igork> Sphinx needs for docs, can be ignore if needed[14:00:20] *** ericray <ericray!~ejray@162-230-117-102.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net> has joined #illumos[14:00:52] <dagbrown> That's why I listed it as an extra 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