November 11, 2016 
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Do you consider the output of file(1) on a file containing a given set of bytes to be Stable?[02:40:39] <LeftWing> That's a tough question[02:40:52] <richlowe> Right, that's why I'm asking you it.[02:41:01] <LeftWing> I hate it, but people do shell out to file(1) from shitty PHP scripts, for instance[02:41:40] <LeftWing> The fact that there have been security problems in applications because file(1) was vulnerable to various maliciously crafted files is probably a giveaway that people are depending on the output[02:43:00] <richlowe> What you're getting at there is a good 50% of why I'm asking too.[02:43:07] <richlowe> (the other 50% is I don't like file(1) output that is untrue)[02:43:09] <richlowe> even if pedantically so.[02:44:24] <richlowe> there's a tad more context in as a private message, because I'm terrible at open source[02:44:33] <LeftWing> ha[02:44:40] <LeftWing> ajar source[02:47:44] <richlowe> obvious solutions tat make us both happy turn into browser User Agents[02:47:59] <richlowe> It's a file / Like another file / With Extras![02:48:09] *** rosset <rosset!~Filipe@fedora/rosset> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[02:49:24] <rmustacc> We're all an old MS WORD 6 file now?[02:58:00] *** v_a_b <v_a_b!~volker@p5B3717AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[03:01:49] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@208.184.5.170> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[03:02:28] *** v_a_b <v_a_b!~volker@p5B37164A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #illumos[03:07:02] *** insane^ <insane^!~insane@pizza.internetx.de> has quit IRC ()[03:15:35] <daleg> I don't consider file(1) output stable[03:15:48] <richlowe> right, I'm sure 99% of people wouldn't.[03:15:51] <daleg> someone decides to change their file format's name without changing the file format, for example[03:15:51] <richlowe> that's why I asked LeftWing specifically.[03:16:15] <richlowe> I like to ask the people least likely to agree with me[03:16:19] <richlowe> it tends to mean whatever I end up doing is ok.[03:16:23] <richlowe> or at least mostly tolerable[03:16:33] <daleg> heh not a bad tact to take :)[03:16:55] <daleg> or tack, if you're boating around[03:18:18] *** \U0001F4A9 is now known as nshp[03:34:28] *** joltman <joltman!~znc@unaffiliated/joltman> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[03:41:48] *** joltman <joltman!~znc@unaffiliated/joltman> has joined #illumos[03:43:56] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@2001:470:f0f4:a0a:616a:551a:8be9:5617> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[03:47:25] *** makruger <makruger!~Michael@pool-108-20-232-57.bstnma.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[04:28:48] *** Riastradh <Riastradh!~riastradh@netbsd/developer/riastradh> has joined #illumos[04:54:38] *** melloc <melloc!~melloc@208.184.5.170> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[04:56:23] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@2001:470:f0f4:a0a:3890:63bf:f58c:4db4> has joined #illumos[05:18:07] *** trentm <trentm!~Adium@S0106204e7f7cd849.vn.shawcable.net> has joined 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I guess this would be the same vulnerability?[17:47:21] <follinge> Perhaps you can hand code a test. 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Not sure if that's old today or not.[20:17:52] <rmustacc> pmooney: Thoughts?[20:18:08] <jbk> well this would be 5.x :P[20:18:24] <pmooney> I bet 5.x would work OK[20:19:11] <pmooney> You might want to look into how Chris Horrell prepares the LX images[20:19:24] <pmooney> (For inspiration on how to cut a CentOS 5.x one)[20:20:01] <jbk> i'll keep it in mind.. this is for possible future planning[20:20:57] <pmooney> I would suggest sticking to 64-bit if possible[20:21:13] <pmooney> We do continue some testing on 32-bit, but it's much less thorough[20:21:39] <pmooney> (All of the 32-bit testing is on ubuntu 14.04, as well)[20:25:25] *** slx86 <slx86!~Thunderbi@46-129-44-239.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: slx86)[20:25:28] *** freakazoid0223_ <freakazoid0223_!~chatzilla@pool-173-49-14-128.phlapa.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[20:28:03] *** freakazoid0223 <freakazoid0223!~chatzilla@pool-173-49-14-128.phlapa.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[20:30:21] *** freakazoid0223_ is now known as freakazoid0223[20:35:02] <igork> jbk: centos 6.x 64bit work fine in lx zone[20:55:52] *** leoric <leoric!~leoric@46.147.215.41> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:58:53] *** wacki <wacki!~wacki@p200300454642830042A8F0FFFE63E17C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #illumos[21:01:17] *** MarcelT <MarcelT!~marcel@tortuga.telka.sk> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:05:56] *** MarcelT <MarcelT!~marcel@tortuga.telka.sk> has joined #illumos[21:08:11] <MarcelT> Woodstock: thanks[21:08:41] <MarcelT> (with 6205 firmware load does not work)[21:18:39] *** ivo_ <ivo_!~Ivo@unaffiliated/ivo/x-7575225> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:20:00] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:20:07] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has joined #illumos[21:23:28] *** slx86 <slx86!~Thunderbi@46-129-44-239.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl> has joined #illumos[21:34:51] *** tomaw_ <tomaw_!tom@freenode/staff/tomaw> has joined #illumos[21:37:37] *** tomaw_ <tomaw_!tom@freenode/staff/tomaw> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitting)[21:55:40] *** wacki <wacki!~wacki@p200300454642830042A8F0FFFE63E17C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has left #illumos[21:57:44] *** slx86 <slx86!~Thunderbi@46-129-44-239.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: slx86)[22:01:02] *** matejz <matejz!~matejz@element.planetq.org> has quit IRC (Quit: matejz)[22:03:25] *** freakazoid0223 <freakazoid0223!~chatzilla@pool-173-49-14-128.phlapa.fios.verizon.net> has left #illumos[22:05:32] *** headw01 <headw01!~billhead@209.63.38.162> has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host)[22:05:33] *** matejz <matejz!~matejz@element.planetq.org> has joined #illumos[22:08:25] *** ericray <ericray!~ejray@73.95.138.212> has joined #illumos[22:10:28] *** Qatz <Qatz!~DB@2601:187:8400:5::427> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:18:22] *** ira <ira!~ira@samba/team/ira> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:33:54] *** matejz <matejz!~matejz@element.planetq.org> has quit IRC (Quit: matejz)[22:36:56] *** matejz <matejz!~matejz@element.planetq.org> has joined #illumos[22:40:24] *** gila <gila!~textual@5ED4FE92.cm-7-5d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[22:41:33] *** Riastradh <Riastradh!~riastradh@netbsd/developer/riastradh> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:46:57] *** matejz <matejz!~matejz@element.planetq.org> has quit IRC (Quit: matejz)[22:52:12] *** myrkraverk_ <myrkraverk_!~chatzilla@124.106.138.24> has joined #illumos[22:52:52] *** myrkraverk <myrkraverk!~chatzilla@124.106.138.24> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:52:57] *** myrkraverk_ is now known as myrkraverk[22:57:45] *** Qatz <Qatz!~DB@2601:187:8400:5::427> has joined #illumos[23:04:16] *** wopie <wopie!~wopie@82.197.212.83> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:06:35] *** Kurlon_ <Kurlon_!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-04.gwi.net> has joined #illumos[23:06:39] *** merzo <merzo!~merzo@93-195-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net> has joined #illumos[23:09:21] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[23:11:04] *** Kurlon_ <Kurlon_!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-04.gwi.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[23:11:29] *** wopie <wopie!~wopie@82.197.212.83> has joined #illumos[23:31:20] *** headw01 <headw01!~billhead@209.63.38.162> has joined #illumos[23:47:49] *** jellydonut <jellydonut!~jelly@216.165.251.212.customer.cdi.no> has joined #illumos[23:51:14] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@cpe-104-228-216-170.maine.res.rr.com> has joined #illumos[23:53:08] *** jelmd <jelmd!~jelmd@port-ip-88-150-13-159.reverse.mdcc-fun.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:55:47] *** aaro <aaro!~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147> has joined #illumos