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[13:02:22] <tsoome> I guess it’s time to create some fixes…
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[14:57:15] <tsoome> on another hand…. maybe not…
[15:01:09] <igork> Russian proverb:
[15:01:48] <igork> it is google translate from Russian :)
[15:02:40] <nbjoerg> <igork> in the Russian original, we wouldn't use the term "work"
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[15:09:14] <igork> nbjoerg: original russian version: https://cl.ly/2M2n1W1a430O
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[17:20:29] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 7561 boot/forth: spelling fixes. -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[17:21:01] <danmcd> MarcelT: Go and RTI 7562, please.
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[17:29:05] <MarcelT> danmcd: the nightly is failing for me :-(
[17:29:19] <MarcelT> probably some bug in pkgfmt
[17:29:24] <danmcd> Check usr/src/pkg/manifests for similar problems.
[17:29:29] <MarcelT> investigating
[17:29:39] <MarcelT> ?
[17:30:08] <MarcelT> do you suggest that there might be more manifests with leading zeros?
[17:30:14] <danmcd> I am.
[17:30:18] <MarcelT> ha
[17:30:28] <danmcd> OH WAIT!
[17:30:29] <danmcd> SHIT
[17:30:31] <danmcd> NEVERMIND.
[17:30:32] <MarcelT> but my nightly failure is not related to that
[17:30:32] <danmcd> Hold on...
[17:30:35] <MarcelT> :-)
[17:30:36] <danmcd> Oh...
[17:31:37] <danmcd> ASCII-betical sorting.
[17:31:39] <danmcd> That's biting you.
[17:32:08] <danmcd> alias=pciex8086,88e \
[17:32:09] <danmcd> alias=pciex8086,88f \
[17:32:10] <danmcd> + alias=pciex8086,89 \
[17:32:11] <danmcd> alias=pciex8086,890 \
[17:32:12] <danmcd> alias=pciex8086,891 \
[17:32:16] <danmcd> THat's a part of my "pkgfmt" fix for you.
[17:32:32] <danmcd> PKGFMT_OUTPUT=v1 pkgfmt -c <.mf file>
[17:32:37] <danmcd> It'll whine on what youhave now.
[17:32:47] <danmcd> PKGFMT_OUTPUT=v1 pkgfmt <.mf file>
[17:32:49] <danmcd> THat'll fix it.
[17:33:12] <danmcd> If you're a csh/tcsh person: (setenv PKGFMT_OUTPUT v1 ; pkgfmt file.mf )
[17:33:42] <MarcelT> ha, pkgfmt reformatted the manifest for me, but didn't suggest that change :)
[17:33:45] <MarcelT> thanks!
[17:34:35] <danmcd> PKGFMT_OUTPUT=v1 is critical.
[17:34:41] <MarcelT> (but I didn't run it with PKGFMT_OUTPUT=v1)
[17:34:44] <danmcd> EXACTLY.
[17:35:30] <danmcd> The gate builds with PKGFMT_OUTPUT=v1. Cf: http://src.illumos.org/source/xref/illumos-gate/usr/src/pkg/Makefile#508
[17:36:46] <MarcelT> yes, I see it now
[17:37:01] <MarcelT> reformatted, and it seems it works for me now
[17:37:14] <MarcelT> once the nightly is finished I'll rti
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[17:44:50] <Guest87038> Hello ! I'm trying to implement a new property on zfs, which will modify the way the quota is check. No data modification. Do i need to implement trought a Feature, or just like this, as a new property ? thx for help (also asked on #openzfs)
[17:47:03] <rmustacc> Guest87038: Do you need to change anything on-disk?
[17:47:09] <rmustacc> (I assume so since it's a new property)
[17:48:20] <Guest87038> I don't really known if adding a property modify on-disk format :( It only modify that
[17:48:36] <tsoome> it wont
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[17:49:51] <tsoome> it has some other distracting stuff but see https://www.illumos.org/rb/r/219/ there I create “set once” read only property.
[17:54:12] <Guest87038> Having register a new prop on zpool won't have side effect with previous version ? (sry, those are probably newbe question ^ )
[17:57:18] <tsoome> no, properties are stored as nvlist (unless I remember it wrong;) and in that sense, wont change the layout. however, what you will do with the properties, that may be totally different thing.
[17:57:39] <tsoome> otherwise we would not able to support user properties for example...
[17:57:51] <Guest87038> indeed
[17:58:37] <Guest87038> Thanks a lot for explanation :) i will rework my code from feature to simple property
[17:59:50] <tsoome> it also depends, it’s still good to get advice and directions from actual zfs developers;)
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[20:05:47] <xenol> what is the recommended way to obtain list of available network interfaces programatically?
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[20:07:59] <xenol> getifaddrs should work too it seems
[20:09:25] <melloc> xenol: getifaddrs will get you IPv4 and IPv6 addresses.
[20:09:28] <melloc> Which might be what you want.
[20:10:26] <melloc> If you also want to get MAC addresses, you'll need to use the what dladm uses. Hold on…
[20:12:38] <melloc> Okay. You can use dladm_walk_datalink_id(), it seems.
[20:12:52] <xenol> thanks, I just need a list of available configured interfaces
[20:13:47] <tsoome> also note there is difference on interfaces and data links
[20:14:43] <xenol> I want to obtain network traffic information stored in kstats, e.g. ipackets or obytes
[20:14:55] <tsoome> ah
[20:15:07] <xenol> my idea is to get the list of interfaces via getifaddrs and then query for kstats
[20:15:30] <xenol> link:0:<iface>, where <iface> is coming from getifaddrs
[20:16:21] <tsoome> kstat -c net maybe then
[20:16:57] <tsoome> for cli, the same class based filter can be used in perl/C, i’m pretty sure
[20:17:08] <xenol> yeah
[20:17:18] <tsoome> or even kstat -m link -c net
[20:17:18] <xenol> I worked with libkstat, when I needed to process data from python
[20:17:20] <xenol> and I needed module
[20:17:29] <xenol> so I created one myself
[20:17:34] <rmustacc> Just keep in mind the kstats are all volatile interfaces.
[20:18:01] <tsoome> I think dladm is not stable either? not sure tho.
[20:18:15] <rmustacc> The libraries aren't.
[20:18:26] <rmustacc> (They're not great interfaces either)
[20:19:01] <xenol> though kstat shows that vnics have ifspeed 0
[20:19:03] <xenol> which is weird
[20:19:21] <rmustacc> vnics don't ask the underlying device for a speed.
[20:19:41] <rmustacc> And there'll always be cases where it'll be arbitrary (say on an etherstub)
[20:19:48] <xenol> hmm, but I can see speed if the vnic is created over physical interface
[20:19:55] <xenol> if it is over etherstub, it shows 0
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[20:20:07] <rmustacc> Because etherstubs have no speed.
[20:20:11] <xenol> yeah
[20:20:28] <rmustacc> Basically any number you put there is wrong (like virtio)
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[20:20:42] <xenol> but if I need interface speed, should I just assume 1G?
[20:21:00] <xenol> because whatever value I put there, I will be lying
[20:21:11] <rmustacc> Depends all on what you do based on the number.
[20:21:22] <rmustacc> If you have more than 1 Gb/s on the VNIC, what happens?
[20:21:34] <rmustacc> (Presuming this is some stat/monitoring tool)
[20:22:07] <xenol> vnstat is a traffic monitoring tool I have been using (it can output simple enough graphs) and I have used it for almost 10 years
[20:22:21] <xenol> I recently switched one of my personal machines to illumos and it doesn't work there.
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[20:22:30] <xenol> so I want to add support for it
[20:22:40] <xenol> ifspeed is needed for calculations
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[20:24:40] <rmustacc> So I think the challenge will be that whatever you do with those calculations will likely be wrong.
[20:24:53] <rmustacc> *shrug*
[20:25:05] <rmustacc> Most stuff doesn't really handle the idea of virtual interfaces here well.
[20:25:23] <tsoome> well, you can use 10G for “milestone"
[20:25:49] <tsoome> even as technically wrong;)
[20:26:24] <xenol> hmm, so having looked into the code, it uses speed information for output only
[20:26:24] <tsoome> depends on how the scaling will cope
[20:26:28] <xenol> sth like
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[20:26:54] <xenol> if speed > 0; interface = interface + "(%d Mbit)"
[20:27:04] <xenol> so I don't need it
[20:27:26] <tsoome> ah ok, some graphs attempt to show the utilization %
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[20:28:02] <xenol> tsoome: not really, only display interface speed after the interface name
[20:28:07] <xenol> so people can see it
[20:28:32] <xenol> this way, it will show nothing for vnic-over-etherstub, but will show linkspeed for vnic-over-physical
[20:28:38] <xenol> so that's OK
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[20:31:07] <tsoome> well, there is an idea - etherstub could test the throughput and set some reasonable number for stats;)
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[22:51:44] <xenol> danmcd: here?
[22:56:20] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 7562 iwn: Leading zeros in /etc/driver_aliases -- Marcel Telka <marcel at telka dot sk>
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[23:02:48] <danmcd> xenol: not wholly. On a call in 2 mins.
[23:03:37] <xenol> danmcd: I spoke to rmustacc already
[23:03:42] <xenol> nothing important
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