November 8, 2016 
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ZZZzzz…)[05:37:55] <jbk> isn't slack basically trying to put the round peg of irc/im through the square hole of http?[05:38:38] <LeftWing> I'm not really bothered by the transport[05:39:02] <LeftWing> More by the fact that after a certain amount of usage you have to start paying for it, or they lock up all your chat logs and stuff.[05:39:41] <LeftWing> Seems basically anathema to open source communities.[05:45:42] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.209> has joined #illumos[05:50:07] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.209> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[05:50:23] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.209> has joined #illumos[06:05:55] *** melloc <melloc!~melloc@2602:304:b361:69e0:705d:ebd1:5c2c:62d8> has joined #illumos[06:10:16] *** liuzhen <liuzhen!~liuzhen@218.241.172.114> has joined #illumos[06:16:49] *** joshie_ <joshie_!~joshie@45.17.105.59> has joined #illumos[06:17:37] *** joshie <joshie!~joshie@45.17.105.59> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[06:21:52] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.84.209> has quit IRC (Quit: tozhu)[06:23:12] *** liuzhen <liuzhen!~liuzhen@218.241.172.114> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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of extra context and do logging separately, it's very similar.[15:48:42] <nbjoerg> never underestimate the walled garden part though[15:49:00] <nbjoerg> but I find that a lot of the current FOSS development stopped caring[15:49:24] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@153-11-196-88.dyn.estpak.ee> has quit IRC (Quit: tsoome)[15:49:48] <jbk> if you want logging just use services or setup a bot[15:50:09] <jbk> if you want to be really old school, use an eggdrop and write it in tcl :P[15:51:16] *** xzi11a <xzi11a!~robert@static-108-48-124-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[15:53:49] <jbk> (I actually wrote a weather script in tcl for a bot surprisingly recently, since most of the existing ones are outdated and didn't use any APIs -- just parse the html, usually with regex :( )[15:55:02] <igork> tsoome: ping :)[15:55:13] <igork> tsoome: thanks for https://www.illumos.org/rb/r/256/ :)[15:55:46] <igork> and i'll test it by gcc5 soon - after integration to illumos[15:57:19] *** livelace 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quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[19:00:37] *** slx86 <slx86!~Thunderbi@46-129-44-239.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl> has joined #illumos[19:01:28] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@208.184.5.170> has joined #illumos[19:06:06] <tsoome> anyone else want to look on https://www.illumos.org/rb/r/256/? its just an simple case of removing the options about gcc was complaining… and there are no other Makefiles using those options:)[19:21:50] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@208.184.5.170> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[19:22:43] *** dap_ <dap_!~dap@208.184.5.170> has joined #illumos[19:23:33] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@208.184.5.170> has joined #illumos[19:38:23] <danmcd> tsoome: Thanks. (And now that I've booted a merged-with-upstream illumos-omnios, I can start paying attention to the RTI/illumos side of things a bit more.)[19:38:52] <tsoome> thank you;)[19:38:57] <danmcd> Woodstock: Even though kids have no school today, their two-kids-two-different-places Tuesday after school activities are still on. I plan on reviewing your stuff remotely.[19:39:16] <danmcd> (And hurray for OmniOS-on-vbox + punchin ==> ssh windows to ALL my work.)[19:40:18] <tsoome> I just figured yesterday that since the loader was put on review ~7 months ago, there have been some fixes and some developments I can pull in (some of those are in my personal loader tree, but not all).[19:42:22] <danmcd> Keep up on it, tsoome.[19:42:38] <tsoome> is ixgbe 10G adapter btw?[19:42:39] <danmcd> During this OmniOS bloody cycle we're going to be at the very least ENABLING loader, if not forcing people outright.[19:42:47] <tsoome> indeed[19:43:01] <LeftWing> tsoome: Yes, ixgbe is an Intel 10Gbit part.[19:43:05] <LeftWing> *is for[19:43:07] <danmcd> ixgbe is 10G for Intel 82898, 82899, and X520.[19:43:10] <tsoome> aye.[19:43:15] <rmustacc> X540, X550, etc.[19:43:16] <danmcd> And X540, X550...[19:43:27] <rmustacc> The 82599 is called the X520 these days.[19:43:31] <danmcd> (I'd be remiss if I forgot those two...)[19:43:35] <rmustacc> Basically X5**[19:43:37] <tsoome> well, the loader is quite an leap and it is totally understandable it will take time.[19:44:34] <tsoome> I was just reading the i40e thread and was wondering if its not the nic but the tcp stack, but obviously whats not the case:)[19:44:55] <rmustacc> tsoome: Yeah, it's always hard to be certain.[19:45:08] <rmustacc> And it can always be the TCP stack but due to some weird interaction here.[19:45:14] <rmustacc> It's always really hard to root cause.[19:45:33] <tsoome> yes, ok, its not 100% excluded by using different nic.[19:45:47] <danmcd> Our TCP stack does need some love, it's just nobody apart from maybe Pluribus (and they are mostly forwarding path) have customers willing to pay for that work.[19:46:06] <rmustacc> Depends on where the problems are.[19:46:06] <igork> rmustacc: hi, when you have plans for update chelsio T5 drives?[19:46:11] <igork> drivers[19:46:18] <rmustacc> igork: Well, just working through a few thigns from Chelsio, atm.[19:46:24] <igork> thanks[19:46:26] <rmustacc> But nightly is more or less clean.[19:46:40] <rmustacc> But I'm focusing a bit more on xhic. ;)[19:46:58] <rmustacc> Erm, xhci.[19:47:05] <igork> i still waiting adapter and wanted to test binary, but with your illumos bug report - i'll wait update :)[19:47:16] <igork> and still waiting your usb3 :)[19:47:44] <igork> i have remote box with ipmi where i can test it[19:47:50] <igork> i mean - usb3[19:49:11] <rmustacc> It'd be easier for me to give you stuff sooner if your illumos-gate wasn't so modified.[19:49:58] <igork> well, i have no more updates like smartos in usb/chelsio[19:50:07] <tsoome> xhic is also good name (esp after celebration party;)[19:50:17] <igork> :)[19:54:45] <danmcd> xhic is what we'll all be doing, yes.[19:56:14] <igork> if i see https://gist.github.com/ikozhukhov/2c6fefaac5fa0d01e464f55ef66e4c39 - Savecore enabled: no[19:56:22] <igork> how to enable it to 'yes'[19:56:24] <igork> ?[19:56:41] <igork> or need reboot?[19:56:47] <LeftWing> Read the manual page?[19:56:59] <igork> just try to learn dumpadm man[19:57:57] <LeftWing> Well, it's definitely in the manual page.[19:58:39] <igork> dumpadm -y[19:58:55] <igork> but it not say - Savecore enabled: yes :)[19:59:12] <LeftWing> Then it's probably time to do some debugging![19:59:36] <igork> it say about - https://gist.github.com/ikozhukhov/df9f12a78eed2909d1e25679d5fc25c9[20:00:48] <igork> and example with : Savecore enabled: no -> Savecore enabled: yes - will be better :)[20:05:25] *** Riastradh <Riastradh!~riastradh@netbsd/developer/riastradh> has joined #illumos[20:10:04] *** daleg <daleg!~daleg@pool-71-178-225-58.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[20:11:33] *** livelace <livelace!~livelace@46.101.54.207> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[20:14:48] *** slx86 <slx86!~Thunderbi@46-129-44-239.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: slx86)[20:26:23] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@208.184.5.170> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[20:30:01] *** Kelzier <Kelzier!~duka@77.105.50.119> has joined #illumos[20:31:27] <tsoome> .oO damn rb :P[20:32:36] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@208.184.5.170> has joined #illumos[20:35:47] *** merzo <merzo!~merzo@93-195-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net> has joined #illumos[20:38:09] <richlowe> what did it do?[20:38:13] <richlowe> and can we blame LeftWing?[20:40:00] <tsoome> I was probably stupid myself - instead of replying, I did create an “fixit” for myself:D[20:40:10] *** kebe <kebe!~user@static-71-174-113-16.bstnma.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[20:40:38] <tsoome> but obviously we could just blame leftwing anyhow;)[20:41:02] <igork> and he will be happy[20:41:05] <tsoome> btw, it seems the little robot is dead…[20:41:25] <igork> gitomat - where are you?[20:41:49] <tsoome> hibernating probably;) the winter is coming...[20:42:00] <igork> hehe :)[20:42:24] <igork> we have snow in RUssia[20:42:34] <tsoome> I have still 3 days of fun till I can get my winter tyres on…[20:44:03] <richlowe> studs and everything?[20:44:26] <tsoome> ye we have snow for an week now. apparently it has been pretty good to elliminate some guys from the traffic…[20:45:20] <tsoome> first day I did see 1 accident, second day 2, one of which was involwing 3-way…[20:46:10] *** gitomat <gitomat!~nodebot@8.19.34.211> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:46:18] *** gitomat <gitomat!~nodebot@8.19.34.211> has joined #illumos[20:47:33] <kebe> ping Woodstock?[20:48:18] <kebe> Question about 6559 specifically. Why doesn't system/kernel include the new "firmware" directory in its manifest?[20:48:32] <gitomat> Here I am.[20:48:56] <igork> hello gitomat :) welcome back[20:49:02] <gitomat> Thank you.[20:49:29] <igork> gitomat: new changes updates?[20:49:39] <gitomat> None that I am conscious of.[20:50:03] <gitomat> Save, perhaps, for: Happy Birthday.[20:50:27] <igork> who is winner today?[20:51:03] <igork> best commiter[20:51:04] <gitomat> You will need to ask Mr Pyramid.[20:52:23] <rmustacc> gitomat: What do you think of my new xhci big theory statement?[20:52:24] <igork> who is Mr Pyramid?[20:55:41] <tsoome> you are confusing the poor thing![20:56:17] <tsoome> (I do suspect it was Leftwing playing prank to us anyhow;)[20:57:25] <igork> i have a flu and my brain don't want to thing about broken builds :)[20:57:53] <tsoome> so get your honey and garlic:P[20:57:53] <igork> s/thing/think[20:58:14] <igork> yeah - i have a lot of pills[20:59:03] <tsoome> honey and garlic are better. they will also keep the innocent people off;)[20:59:21] <igork> with gitomat joke - i remember one night with fidonet maximus where we configured psys - auto sysop[20:59:57] <igork> and one man tried to chat with it about 1h :)[21:00:22] <tsoome> LeftWing: I suppose you know some lisp? you could integrate gitomat with emacs doctor mode;)[21:00:28] <igork> and posted a message to board about fast responded sysop :)[21:00:55] <tsoome> :D[21:01:59] *** tho <tho!~user@188.146.96.247.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl> has joined #illumos[21:02:16] <LeftWing> Is Doctor mode some kind of Eliza thing?[21:03:19] <tsoome> um… M-x doctor ;)[21:03:56] <LeftWing> I don't allow emacs in the house. :P[21:04:04] <tsoome> :D[21:04:29] <kebe> Nobody's perfect, LeftWing[21:04:37] <kebe> (Says the guy typing from an emacs IRC client...)[21:04:56] <tsoome> on phone?:P[21:05:13] <kebe> Good thing though danmcd and I aren't in the same room right now. We'd be arguing...[21:05:26] <igork> hehe :)[21:05:45] <igork> kebe - are you friend to danmcd? :)[21:05:47] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@208.184.5.170> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[21:06:04] <igork> or you have different servers and laptops? :)[21:09:15] <kebe> danmcd stays up at home. I'm on the road for now.[21:09:30] <igork> :)[21:10:37] <igork> you need to teach siri to translate your words and post to irc while you are on road :)[21:19:25] <kebe> Then whichever daughter I'm with would be like, "WTF, Dad?!?"[21:20:00] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:20:06] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has joined #illumos[21:22:51] <igork> haha :)[21:24:58] *** xzi11a <xzi11a!~robert@static-108-48-124-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[21:29:08] <igork> kebe: you can answer: daughter, it is not WTF, it is illumos irc :)[21:30:16] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-37-7-16-87.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:40:24] <kebe> pmooney: Is OS-5682 limit number of per-process userspace segments[21:40:32] <kebe> in your upstream-sometime plans?[21:40:47] <kebe> Now that I can sidepull LX again, I see these other guys that aren't LX, but aren't in -gate either.[21:43:05] <jbk> that reminds me, i need to sit down and see if i can figure out kvm on omnios, now that i've lost my dev box[21:43:17] <jbk> (it went into production, so i couldn't 'borrow' it anymore :P)[21:45:33] *** kebe <kebe!~user@static-71-174-113-16.bstnma.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.5.1)[21:51:52] <rzezeski> kebe: that would be a good one to get into gate[21:53:00] <rzezeski> ah, of course he left the room 7 minutes ago[21:54:42] *** ericray <ericray!~ejray@96-66-65-68-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Quit: ericray)[21:54:57] *** sanjay <sanjay!~Adium@96-66-65-68-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[21:55:03] <xzi11a> heh[21:55:33] <xzi11a> rzezeski: i sent it to him via internal slack ;-)[21:55:49] <rzezeski> thanks[21:59:34] *** leoric <leoric!~leoric@176.212.47.118> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:01:04] <richlowe> rzezeski: so upstream it.[22:01:06] <richlowe> you have the power![22:01:30] <rzezeski> hah, yea indeed, robert typically handles that stuff and I don't want to stomp on his process[22:01:36] <rzezeski> and things are a bit busy this week[22:01:44] <richlowe> I think his process is "be upset stuff isn't upstream, and then do it"[22:01:45] <rzezeski> I would like to start helping with upstreaming process though[22:02:03] <rzezeski> well, I think he has a system worked out[22:04:29] <pmooney> I guess it's up to folks about how risky it might be.[22:04:55] <pmooney> We looked into the sort of segment counts which might be expected and didn't find any that were up about 64k, but who knows.[22:09:48] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@208.184.5.170> has joined #illumos[22:16:53] *** Alek <Alek!~Alek@2601:646:8b81:8af9:20f0:86ea:e3b0:424b> has joined #illumos[22:28:48] *** wopie <wopie!~wopie@82.197.212.83> has joined #illumos[22:34:06] *** rosset_ <rosset_!~Filipe@201.86.200.37.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br> has joined #illumos[22:34:38] *** rosset_ <rosset_!~Filipe@201.86.200.37.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:35:02] *** rosset <rosset!~Filipe@201.86.200.37.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[22:35:04] *** rosset_ <rosset_!~Filipe@201.86.200.37.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br> has joined #illumos[22:37:40] *** rosset_ <rosset_!~Filipe@201.86.200.37.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:37:56] *** rosset <rosset!~Filipe@201.86.200.37.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br> has joined #illumos[22:43:17] *** ptribble <ptribble!~ptribble@cpc92320-cmbg19-2-0-cust3282.5-4.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:43:52] <danmcd> rzezeski: As long as "it's on the queue" I'm happy. It means I was right not to side-pull it.[22:44:19] <danmcd> And thanks xzi11a for reminding me (but this IRC window, in Colloquy, was up the whole time).[22:47:31] <danmcd> This one too: OS-5732 build of localedef data files should be parallelized[22:47:36] <danmcd> But I'll bet it's in the queue as well.[22:49:22] <rzezeski> I'm not sure what's on the queue[22:57:20] <pmooney> danmcd: if you pull that one, make sure to get the follow-up fix which went back recently[22:57:24] <pmooney> (Re: localedef)[22:57:31] <danmcd> I didn't.[22:57:39] <danmcd> Because it seemed non-LX-y.[22:57:55] <pmooney> It's not. I just happened on it while I was waiting for a build.[22:58:26] <danmcd> And my side-pull script is optimized for LX-y (less conflicts).[22:58:48] <danmcd> But it IS working again after a month in oh-shit-next-release jail.[22:58:52] <Woodstock> danmcd: pong[22:58:59] <danmcd> See your email.[22:59:06] <danmcd> Woodstock: See your email.[22:59:10] <danmcd> Dumb pkging question.[23:03:35] <Woodstock> danmcd: see my reply :)[23:03:42] *** xzi11a <xzi11a!~robert@static-108-48-124-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[23:03:48] <danmcd> Gmail is slow.[23:04:48] <danmcd> Beautiful.[23:07:53] *** heroux <heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-jcfipyuffgckjxpl> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:08:10] *** heroux <heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zgxiaptcbaqqjzli> has joined #illumos[23:09:21] <Woodstock> danmcd: the heads up msg is good, too?[23:10:23] <danmcd> Oops, missed that.[23:11:18] <danmcd> One small thing... if I'm running iwX for X != n, will the update ALSO change my ipadm or /etc/hostname.X files?[23:11:25] <danmcd> Or do I have to do that myself?[23:11:38] <danmcd> Or does that not matter as much since most wifi people use NWAM?[23:14:46] <Woodstock> if you're not using nwam then you'll have to fix your setup yourself[23:14:59] *** xenol <xenol!~xenol@2a01:8c00:ff48:1a6c::dead:beef> has joined #illumos[23:16:17] <Woodstock> but in any case it only affects people who use iwp, and i'm not sure there are that many as the driver is known to not work with current hardware, with current being everything made in the last 4 to 5 years[23:16:58] <xenol> I have jmb363 chipster, which doesn't work under illumos. It seems that I need to configure pci registers, to make it work under illumos[23:17:31] <xenol> 1) is there any pci quirk subsystem, where changes should be made?[23:17:48] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 7476 lofi: rework for file unmapping -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>[23:17:51] <xenol> quirk*[23:18:01] <tsoome> thanks:)[23:18:07] <xenol> 2) if no pci quirk framework, what's the correct way of making the change persistent on illumos?[23:18:20] <rmustacc> xenol: Well, the question is why doesn't it work.[23:18:35] <xenol> I see the device, but don't see disk on it[23:18:44] <rmustacc> Right, but there could be any number of reasons for that.[23:18:57] <rmustacc> So when we understand the reason for that, then we'll understand the fix.[23:18:59] <xenol> it worked under freebsd, so problem is with illumos[23:19:27] <rmustacc> I understand that there is likely something that we're not doing.[23:19:47] <rmustacc> But there's also no real magic quirks file or equivalent that you can just manipulate.[23:19:59] <rmustacc> If you know what it is that you need to change or is broken, then we'll know how to fix it, if that makes sense.[23:21:12] <rmustacc> So, the question is what is the 'quirk' we need to change for this?[23:21:14] <tsoome> xenol: can you link the quirk file and card info, I can try to dig the commit logs (or of course you can as well:D[23:21:48] <tsoome> fortunately they add mostly nice log entries;)[23:22:10] <xenol> rmustacc: linux does this http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/pci/quirks.c#L1523§[23:22:41] <rmustacc> Sure, that doesn't really help me very much in answering your question.[23:22:58] <xenol> I can also point you to freebsd source: http://src.illumos.org/source/xref/freebsd-head/sys/dev/ahci/ahci_pci.c#192[23:23:08] <xenol> rmustacc: I know that i need to configure pci registers with the correct value[23:23:30] <rmustacc> Uh, what register are you referring to?[23:23:41] <rmustacc> Sorry, I think you're assuming I have a lot more context than I do.[23:24:10] <xenol> https://www.illumos.org/issues/1648[23:24:13] *** xenol <xenol!~xenol@2a01:8c00:ff48:1a6c::dead:beef> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[23:24:40] *** xenol <xenol!5f69e442@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.105.228.66> has joined #illumos[23:24:52] <xenol> rmustacc: sorry for not providing more context, let me explain[23:25:15] <xenol> I moved one machine from freebsd to illumos, I don't see 2 disks out of 6 disks. Those disks are on that controller.[23:25:33] <rmustacc> It just came across as some device is buggy, how do I tweak something, so I just wasn't sure of what you were referring to. I think it's a bit clearer now with the other stuff.[23:25:46] <xenol> After looking into the issue, I have found that illumos bug report and tried to run that setpci command[23:26:04] <xenol> only difference from my situation is that card doesn't start in raid mode, but has sata mode[23:26:15] <xenol> hmm, one thing I haven't tried yet..[23:27:24] <xenol> when I run update_drv -a -i '"pci197b,2363"' ahci, I don't see those disks[23:27:53] <xenol> so my guess is that I have to find the correct value, so ahci driver recognizes disks on that controller[23:28:08] <xenol> and second part would be how to make it persistent in the driver out of the box[23:32:45] <LeftWing> I suspect what we actually want is for the driver to make the appropriate change to the configuration space, and then re-trigger PCI enumeration for this device.[23:33:10] <LeftWing> I think the idea of a "PCI quirks" subsystem is pretty undesirable. This behaviour belongs in the driver, not in the PCI framework.[23:34:12] <xenol> pci quirks was just a quick thought. there might be better solutions :)[23:34:26] <xenol> linux/freebsd seems to do it in ahci[23:40:54] *** xenol_ <xenol_!~xenol@2a01:8c00:ff48:1a6c::dead:beef> has joined #illumos[23:41:23] *** xenol_ <xenol_!~xenol@2a01:8c00:ff48:1a6c::dead:beef> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:43:22] *** xenol_ <xenol_!~xenol@2a01:8c00:ff48:1a6c::dead:beef> has joined #illumos[23:44:25] *** sanjay <sanjay!~Adium@174-16-42-150.hlrn.qwest.net> has joined #illumos[23:44:50] *** xenol_ <xenol_!~xenol@2a01:8c00:ff48:1a6c::dead:beef> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:45:06] *** xenol_ <xenol_!~xenol@2a01:8c00:ff48:1a6c::dead:beef> has joined #illumos[23:45:18] *** xenol <xenol!5f69e442@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.105.228.66> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[23:45:23] *** xenol_ <xenol_!~xenol@2a01:8c00:ff48:1a6c::dead:beef> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:45:31] *** xenol <xenol!~xenol@2a01:8c00:ff48:1a6c::dead:beef> has joined #illumos[23:50:12] <richlowe> LeftWing: I dislike all the options.[23:50:24] <richlowe> but I think the quirks stuff has its reasons.[23:50:29] <LeftWing> Well,[23:50:52] <LeftWing> maybe. But in this case, we're really trying to reconfigure the device and have it re-enumerated. Which doesn't seem completely unreasonable.[23:51:08] <LeftWing> We already support some amount of hot plug for PCI, so the ability to do it probably already exists, even.[23:51:25] <richlowe> Probably.[23:53:14] <LeftWing> I think I would ship a driver that does nothing other than try to reconfigure the card if configured to do so.[23:53:37] <LeftWing> And then trigger the re-enumeration, if it even needs to be triggered.[23:54:04] <richlowe> sounds heavy-handed.[23:54:06] <LeftWing> How does the use of the setpci command work? Do we already do the re-enumeration somehow?[23:54:07] <richlowe> but perhaps necessary.[23:54:40] <richlowe> and that I don't know.[23:54:44] <richlowe> ditto whether pcitool could do the dirty work[23:55:35] *** xenol_ <xenol_!5f69e442@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.105.228.66> has joined #illumos[23:55:46] <richlowe> I tend to assume pcitool is capable of arbitrary evils.[23:55:50] <LeftWing> I mean, it looks like the setpci command is just dumping some new values into the config space.[23:55:58] <richlowe> certainly that evil.[23:56:20] <LeftWing> i.e. offsets 0x40-42 for the thing at "04:00.0"[23:56:21] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~Dupa1Bard@apn-37-7-16-87.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #illumos[23:56:38] <LeftWing> And then apparently it shows up in lspci[23:56:57] <LeftWing> (Which we don't seem to have in SmartOS at least, so who knows how _that_ works either)[23:57:27] <richlowe> sadly, I think pcitool is undocumented and underdocumented intentionally.[23:59:16] <richlowe> LeftWing: take a look at pcitool_usage.c[23:59:52] <LeftWing> ha[23:59:59] <LeftWing> Magical extra help text!