November 4, 2016 
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November 4, 2016 [00:01:26] *** sanjay <sanjay!~Adium@67.230.218.82> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:10:56] *** baetheus <baetheus!~brandon@null.pub> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[00:11:08] *** sanjay <sanjay!~Adium@67.230.218.82> has joined #illumos[00:13:03] *** sanjay <sanjay!~Adium@67.230.218.82> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:14:05] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@208.184.5.170> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[00:16:27] <richlowe> do we have a convenient way to email all the people who care about SPARC at the same time?[00:17:00] <igork> i don't know about it[00:17:12] <igork> but i care about sparc and fix it[00:18:12] <igork> i try to report about issues what i found on sparc with builds or loads[00:18:28] <richlowe> right, I just don't know who else does[00:18:34] <richlowe> and I'm going to need them to make and test some sparc changes[00:19:25] <igork> if you need zone - i can provide it, but it will be with dilos build env[00:19:43] <igork> i have T5220[00:19:46] <rmustacc> It's less Rich doing the work, but to actually do the work.[00:21:26] <igork> i have another one T5220 for tests in parallels with builds - it has one hard drive at this moment. also, i can provide ipkg zone based on teferi old repo[00:21:40] <igork> it based on oi a9[00:21:50] <igork> but need more work done on illumos update[00:22:10] <igork> as i know Agnar is working on some oi updates on spaec[00:22:12] <igork> sparc[00:22:20] <igork> he has t5220 too[00:22:51] <igork> i don't know status os Gary Mils, if i correct his name[00:23:23] <richlowe> when I get i386 working, I'll email everyone who seems SPARC-y I guess.[00:23:59] <igork> richlowe: what you are working on?[00:24:55] <richlowe> need someone to write a SPARC crt.[00:25:11] <richlowe> when I'm done making x86 work.[00:25:27] *** baetheus <baetheus!~brandon@null.pub> has joined #illumos[00:25:44] <igork> about gas on sparc - it was bad idea ... i looked to gas sources and i have found that more relocation types are differently implemented[00:26:15] <igork> i have 2 ways: 1) try to update gas to be better work for illumos ld[00:26:36] <igork> 2) try to update illumos ld + kernel krtld for gas[00:26:52] <igork> they are on sparc ofc[00:28:39] <igork> R_SPARC_OLO10 type it was first what i have found by krtld[00:29:03] <igork> but R_SPARC_13 is different too[00:30:40] <igork> and yes - it is possible update sparc asm to gas after update to bintuils 2.27 - they are fixed some major issues with registers[00:31:53] <igork> sunas is old on sparc and right now bootstrap of gcc-6.2 failed, but it is possible bootstrap it with gas[00:32:14] <igork> gcc-5.4 still working with sunas[00:38:38] *** ericray <ericray!~ejray@c-73-243-199-104.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: ericray)[00:39:53] *** andy_js <andy_js!~andy@90.192.48.17> has quit IRC (Quit: andy_js)[00:41:38] *** freakazoid0223_ <freakazoid0223_!~chatzilla@pool-173-49-14-128.phlapa.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[00:42:26] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@208.184.5.170> has joined #illumos[00:42:28] *** freakazoid0223 <freakazoid0223!~chatzilla@pool-173-49-14-128.phlapa.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[00:43:15] *** freakazoid0223_ <freakazoid0223_!~chatzilla@pool-173-49-14-128.phlapa.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:45:57] *** freakazoid0223 <freakazoid0223!~chatzilla@pool-173-49-14-128.phlapa.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[00:49:28] *** makruger <makruger!~Michael@pool-108-20-232-57.bstnma.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[00:50:52] *** pjy <pjy!~pjy@2001:470:8:f7a:9594:61ac:7235:75b2> has joined #illumos[00:51:38] *** n2deep <n2deep!n2deep@odin.sdf-eu.org> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[01:01:57] *** n2deep <n2deep!n2deep@odin.sdf-eu.org> has joined #illumos[01:02:43] *** sanjay <sanjay!~Adium@67.230.218.82> has joined #illumos[01:03:29] *** TyrfingMjolnir <TyrfingMjolnir!~Tyrfing@62.92.82.250> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[01:03:54] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@208.184.5.170> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[01:10:02] *** sanjay <sanjay!~Adium@67.230.218.82> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[01:10:08] <ryao> For anyone wondering what I have been doing, it is public now: https://clusterhq.com/press/releases/flockerhub-fli-release/ https://clusterhq.com/press/releases/devops-testing-survey/[01:10:13] <ryao> "Fli can take incremental snapshots of any database or data volume that runs on Linux, and push those snapshots to FlockerHub where they can be pulled by any access-controlled user. Because these snapshots are incremental, each additional push or pull to FlockerHub sends only part of the data, which speeds up transfer times and reduces bandwidth consumption."[01:10:18] <ryao> It is a technology independent send/recv. It needs more work, but for all intents and purposes, it is usable. Just don't use hard links and you are good. It is a technology independent send/recv. It needs more work, but for all intents and purposes, it is usable. Just don't use hard links and you are good. The hard link problem is what had me stuck as it is very hard. :/[01:10:50] <ryao> Being technology independent handles the byzantine stream problem that Joyent identified.[01:13:28] *** saint_dogbert <saint_dogbert!~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724> has joined #illumos[01:17:29] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@208.184.5.170> has joined #illumos[01:23:47] *** jcea <jcea!~Thunderbi@ks27448.kimsufi.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:24:29] <LeftWing> What does it mean to be technology independent?[01:25:46] <ryao> LeftWing: The code theoretically could work with UFS on zvols.[01:26:14] <ryao> i.e. The POSIX file API is used.[01:26:27] <LeftWing> Oh, so it's rsync with an intermediate stream format?[01:26:52] *** jcea <jcea!~Thunderbi@ks27448.kimsufi.com> has joined #illumos[01:27:35] <ryao> LeftWing: That is what someone in #gentoo-dev asked. No, it is not rsync. rsync isn't meant to operate on snapshots with a unidirectional pipe. It is similar to rsync like ZFS send/recv is though, except a bit more due to being in userspace.[01:28:22] <richlowe> ... it's incremental tar?[01:28:28] <LeftWing> Right[01:28:44] <richlowe> I'm sure you'll hear from schily soon then :)[01:28:47] <richlowe> at length, probably.[01:29:56] <LeftWing> I do remember Joerg piling on when I was using "dar" at some point in the past.[01:30:22] <LeftWing> ryao: For what it's worth, it sounds like the Docker layer format -- which is also incremental tar.[01:30:43] <LeftWing> i.e. a stream that can take a file system from one snapshot state to another snapshot state, by including just the incremental differences.[01:30:50] <richlowe> which is cool.[01:30:57] <richlowe> but 100% schily-bait[01:31:04] <LeftWing> It is. But it in no way handles hard links.[01:31:11] <richlowe> hard links are the devil.[01:31:19] <LeftWing> I like hard links.[01:31:59] <richlowe> You like anything from the past.[01:32:08] <LeftWing> I LIKE YOU RICH[01:32:09] <rmustacc> It's true.[01:32:22] <LeftWing> :D[01:32:47] <ryao> richlowe: It is very much like incremental tar, although there are implementation differences. I didn't look at star's implementation though.[01:32:54] <LeftWing> Nor should you.[01:32:54] <richlowe> wise[01:33:16] <LeftWing> If you stare unto the repository, it will stare unto you.[01:33:38] <LeftWing> Also, something something Beetlegeuse.[01:33:58] <ryao> I did look at GNU tar's implementation briefly when providing information to the attorneys patenting the thing (licensing should be OSS with a patent grant). The methods are very different and I am not 100% convinced that GNU tar's method is correct. Mine is really hard to get working at all, but once it works, it ought to be right. Then I get to make many test cases.[01:34:24] <ryao> Hence why limited hardlink support is provided on day 1.[01:34:47] <LeftWing> Does it use any features of the file system to avoid the obvious performance problems of walking the entire file system each time?[01:35:06] <LeftWing> rsync is a good tool, but for complicated hierarchies it can be exceedingly slow.[01:35:10] <nbjoerg> please call him schily[01:35:16] <nbjoerg> I feel bad by association otherwise[01:35:24] <LeftWing> nbjoerg: Ha![01:35:25] <ryao> LeftWing: The plan in the future is to add a special ioctl to ZFS to avoid walking file indirect trees or relying on timestamps.[01:35:40] <LeftWing> Have you looked at what "zfs diff" already does?[01:36:16] <ryao> LeftWing: Yes. It has an issue with hard links. You don't know where the source is for the hard link.[01:36:19] <LeftWing> That's what we're using underneath our "make an incremental tar" program -- https://github.com/joyent/zfs_snapshot_tar[01:36:27] *** pjy <pjy!~pjy@2001:470:8:f7a:9594:61ac:7235:75b2> has left #illumos[01:37:05] <richlowe> zfs diff works these days?[01:37:08] <ryao> There is no way to avoid a full file system scan generically, but I did my best to make it fast and I can see hooking into ZFS to find out about individual files.[01:37:12] <LeftWing> richlowe: I fixed a few bugs.[01:37:17] <ryao> richlowe: Not if you care about hard links.[01:37:24] <richlowe> :burn:[01:38:07] <LeftWing> Right. To create a fully incremental tar that doesn't break hard links, we'd need to remember the inode numbers of all of the files in previous snapshots.[01:38:15] <LeftWing> Which we'll probably do, but haven't yet.[01:38:37] <LeftWing> As it stands, zfs_snapshot_tar correctly detects hard links if they are all made in the same snapshot.[01:39:04] <LeftWing> But if you add a new hard link in the same directory in a subsequent snapshot, we'll sever a random one of the old links.[01:39:48] <LeftWing> But that was good enough for most of what people are doing with Docker today[01:39:54] <LeftWing> i.e. installing git from a package[01:40:05] <LeftWing> and being sad that all of the git programs are hard links to one base binary[01:40:32] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@208.184.5.170> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[01:41:12] *** merzo <merzo!~merzo@93-195-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:42:34] <LeftWing> ZFS could help by keeping a tracking list of links, rather than just a link count[01:42:56] *** Kelzier <Kelzier!~duka@77.105.27.241> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:43:37] <ryao> LeftWing: I thought of that, but there would be performance implications.[01:44:06] <ryao> LeftWing: Anyway, I didn't know joyent had something similar in the works. I wish I were allowed to talk about it sooner.[01:44:10] <LeftWing> Sure. You're always moving deck chairs around on the titanic with things like this.[01:44:47] <LeftWing> Well, our thing is pretty basic. I wrote it while on vacation to Australia, before I fully understood just how many character encoding and hard link related issues I would subsequently have to deal with.[01:45:02] <LeftWing> (Good grief, the UTF-8.)[01:45:15] <ryao> LeftWing: For now, I've settled on relying on getdents to amortize directory reads and make decisions with a nearly minimum number of syscalls for the filesystem walk.[01:45:50] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@208.184.5.170> has joined #illumos[01:46:22] <ryao> The fully realized version of what I am doing isn't ready for launch. What launches is going to be a very simplistic version that is inefficient from not having any ZFS integration to accelerate file difference identification.[01:46:41] <LeftWing> Fair enough. CDDL or MPL2?[01:47:21] <ryao> LeftWing: I was told a year ago that all code would be under Apache 2.0, but I can likely get a CDDL version in C released for the sanity of others after the final version is ready.[01:47:40] <LeftWing> Alright[01:47:48] <LeftWing> It's not C now?[01:47:48] <ryao> The current code is in Go.[01:47:51] <LeftWing> Oh my.[01:47:56] <ryao> LeftWing: C is not hip enough.[01:48:33] <LeftWing> On that bombshell, I'm off to the pub![01:48:34] * LeftWing &[01:49:04] *** pjy <pjy!~pjy@2001:470:8:f7a:9594:61ac:7235:75b2> has joined #illumos[01:49:05] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@2001:470:f0f4:a0a:582e:5972:8b4:b49b> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[01:49:09] <ryao> LeftWing: That is why I said that I plan to get a version in C released for others' sanity. It might be too late for my own sanity at that point though.[01:50:00] <ryao> Since I am bad at expressing humor in IRC, I should clarify the last sentence was an attempt at it.[01:50:14] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@208.184.5.170> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[01:51:55] *** Kurlon_ <Kurlon_!~Kurlon@cpe-104-228-216-170.maine.res.rr.com> has joined #illumos[01:55:36] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[01:56:11] <jcea> Hi there![01:57:26] <jcea> Question: Is suppose to be safe to do a "zfs receive" over a live dataset with activity going on on it?. I am seeing very strange things here (Solaris 10). Yes, I know this is illumos but I wonder about the situation on illumos too.[01:57:55] <jcea> strange things = tons and tons of checksum failures[01:58:09] <jcea> (when doing an scrub after the fact)[01:58:28] <jcea> Yes, I forgot to do a "-u" in the receive.[01:59:21] *** CME <CME!~CME@ip9234d04d.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has left #illumos ("Leaving")[02:02:21] *** pjy <pjy!~pjy@2001:470:8:f7a:9594:61ac:7235:75b2> has left #illumos[02:04:58] *** makruger <makruger!~Michael@pool-108-20-232-57.bstnma.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[02:05:49] *** CME <CME!~CME@ip9234d04d.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has joined #illumos[02:07:14] <richlowe> LeftWing: Go at least keep their runtime foibles their own problem[02:07:19] <richlowe> LeftWing: which I _really_ appreciate.[02:08:03] <jbk> ahh yes, the hip & trendy thing these days is to static link the world[02:08:11] <richlowe> which is annoying[02:08:15] <richlowe> but _less_ annoying than the C++ approach[02:08:20] <richlowe> of having great ideas, then making me implement them.[02:08:31] <richlowe> or making alp and such upset that I don't have time to[02:08:33] <richlowe> variously.[02:20:00] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:20:06] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has joined #illumos[02:40:18] *** nothingm1ch <nothingm1ch!~yuval@devel01.test.thermeon.eu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[02:40:25] *** nothingmuch <nothingmuch!~yuval@devel01.test.thermeon.eu> has joined #illumos[02:44:11] *** makruger <makruger!~Michael@pool-108-20-232-57.bstnma.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[02:44:18] *** liuzhen <liuzhen!~liuzhen@218.241.172.114> has joined #illumos[02:59:13] *** v_a_b <v_a_b!~volker@p5B37168B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[03:02:01] *** v_a_b <v_a_b!~volker@p5B3717B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #illumos[03:10:23] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@139.207.165.180> has joined #illumos[03:19:35] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@139.207.165.180> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[03:24:06] *** TyrfingMjolnir <TyrfingMjolnir!~Tyrfing@62.92.82.250> has joined #illumos[03:27:46] *** alanc <alanc!~alanc@inet-hqmc04-o.oracle.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:43:45] *** alanc <alanc!~alanc@inet-hqmc08-o.oracle.com> has joined #illumos[04:20:50] *** jcea <jcea!~Thunderbi@ks27448.kimsufi.com> has quit IRC (Quit: jcea)[04:35:41] *** trentm <trentm!~Adium@S0106204e7f7cd849.vn.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[04:41:12] *** melloc <melloc!~melloc@208.184.5.170> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[04:51:23] *** Kurlon_ <Kurlon_!~Kurlon@cpe-104-228-216-170.maine.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:52:03] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has joined #illumos[04:59:39] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:23:23] *** liuzhen <liuzhen!~liuzhen@218.241.172.114> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Isn't the problem that we have separate rules for tab.c and tab.h as if they're going to come out separately, when they don't?[15:38:11] <richlowe> it's not so much that we build tem in parallel, as that we think they're produced separately.[15:38:38] <pmooney> richlowe: Yeah, the '+' operator would also work, but I was more hesitant about that[15:38:46] <pmooney> (given that I don't think it's in any other make)[15:39:16] <pmooney> I don't really have strong opinions about how it's solved, just that we get it cleared up.[15:39:22] <richlowe> + is what we do elsewhere, I think[15:39:36] <richlowe> but I'm down with "Whatever we do the other places we use yacc"[15:39:56] <pmooney> not use parallelism?[15:40:00] <pmooney> let me go grepping around[15:40:05] <richlowe> which opengrok suggests is "fuck it up" in at least some cases.[15:40:09] <pmooney> haha[15:40:11] <pmooney> yes[15:40:57] <jperkin> is there anything new I need to do to allow guest smb access since the smb2 stuff went in? guestok=true no longer appears to work for a share ("access denied: IPC only")[15:46:20] <pmooney> richlowe: Looks like a mix of some '+' usage, some not.[15:46:43] <pmooney> Not much parallelism, at least explicitly so (perhaps inherited)[15:48:22] *** saint_dogbert <saint_dogbert!~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724> has joined #illumos[15:53:45] <pmooney> richlowe: If you think '+' would be more appropriate, I can switch it.[15:54:49] <richlowe> No, if it's not as prevalent as I thought, do what you already tested.[15:56:46] <pmooney> It's a mix[15:56:55] <pmooney> There's not a ton of yacc regardless[16:06:20] *** freakazoid0223_ <freakazoid0223_!~chatzilla@pool-173-49-14-128.phlapa.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[16:09:16] *** freakazoid0223 <freakazoid0223!~chatzilla@pool-173-49-14-128.phlapa.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[16:11:51] *** freakazoid0223_ is now known as freakazoid0223[16:19:24] *** headw01 <headw01!~billhead@209.63.38.162> has joined #illumos[16:20:43] *** natkin <natkin!~textual@cpe-70-117-117-128.austin.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Starting Monday, I will move bloody to '021 and resume the merges from both illumos-{gate,joyent} for {upstream,LX} bits respectively.[16:39:56] <richlowe> it's probably reaching the point where you should try to upstream it.[16:40:13] <richlowe> though I still want to see what the solution is to cgroups, viability wise[16:40:31] <danmcd> IF that happens, please have it happen either 2-3 months before 022 closes, or after 022 ships.[16:40:57] *** merzo <merzo!~merzo@92.60.189.225> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:40:57] <danmcd> (And I'm sure OI and Dilos will have opinions on it as well.)[16:41:11] <richlowe> my big opinion is still "We need to see that it won't rot this time"[16:41:15] <richlowe> you shipping it is a big thumb up in that regard.[16:41:24] *** merzo <merzo!~merzo@92.60.189.225> has joined #illumos[16:41:28] <richlowe> some solution to cgroups etc, another since now systemd and udev seem to have a hard requirement.[16:41:49] <richlowe> I don't want it to turn into another massive Joyentism that's too messy to upstream, but too important to ignore[16:41:58] <richlowe> which basically encompasses 99% of things Joyent have done with zones.[16:43:16] <danmcd> SOme, not all, of Joyent's zone stuff came along for the LX ride.[16:43:31] <danmcd> And there are some things that IMHO need to get thrown into LX that aren't there.[16:43:56] <danmcd> Big example: I'd like to let OmniOS admins use /native/sbin/ipadm to configure persistent networking. Not everyone wants to use zonecfg(1M) to that end.[16:45:06] *** daleg <daleg!~daleg@pool-71-178-225-58.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[16:45:26] *** Dirkpitt <Dirkpitt!~dreams@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/dirkpitt> has quit IRC (Quit: :-))[16:47:45] *** Dirkpitt <Dirkpitt!~dreams@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/dirkpitt> has joined #illumos[16:49:22] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@220-90-235-80.dyn.estpak.ee> has joined #illumos[16:54:40] <danmcd> Former PSARC member Jim Carlson was over visiting back in August. I told him about LX work in {Smart,Omni}OS. He reminded me that the maintenance of LX tracking Linux kernel-isms was the hard part (and it scared some in Sun back in the day).[16:54:50] <danmcd> I suspect we have well-motivated people in the community to do just that, however.[16:56:14] <richlowe> right, that's exactly what my view has been. And what I meant by wanting evidence it won't rot this time[17:06:37] *** nikolam <nikolam!~nikolam@unaffiliated/nikolam> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[17:07:18] <pmooney> I'm not sure when the appropriate time will be to upstream it. There's still quite a bit of work to do.[17:07:39] <pmooney> I've been spooling up to tackle some of the namespaces stuff next.[17:08:00] <pmooney> mount namespaces will probably be a native construct (vs. something that live purely in the brand)[17:08:37] <tsoome> tbh, if we do not want things to rot, contributions to illumos should be made much-much simpler. Waiting months for reviews and commits to happen may have been ok in Sun, but this is not viable model for community based development.[17:08:46] *** nikolam <nikolam!~nikolam@unaffiliated/nikolam> has joined #illumos[17:09:03] <richlowe> why I'm interested in gerrit[17:09:07] <richlowe> making it push-button would help[17:09:53] <pmooney> richlowe: Once the appropriate automation is in place. We're still doing stuff like the reviewed-by/approved-by attributions by hand right now.[17:10:18] <richlowe> tsoome: are you a SPARC person?[17:10:38] <tsoome> in soul, but I dont have any..[17:10:56] <tsoome> I could get T4, but I can not run it in my flat;)[17:12:04] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@101.204.248.110> has quit IRC (Quit: tozhu)[17:14:42] <daleg> what are some other examples of adjudicating submitted patches?[17:15:20] <daleg> anything good, or is it this more an issue of tooling (re: gerrit, or lackthereof)[17:18:26] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@101.204.248.110> has joined #illumos[17:22:11] *** jhendricks <jhendricks!~jhendrick@208.184.5.170> has joined #illumos[17:22:31] <richlowe> it tends to be a combination of FCS-all-the-time being grating, and our limited manpower.[17:22:46] <richlowe> I know I haven't done enough lately, because I was/am trying to get aslr stuff done[17:24:27] <richlowe> tsoome: You could try things that don't turn the world upside down, too. ;)[17:25:24] <tsoome> sorry;)[17:26:05] <tsoome> btw, I have spent last few days porting the nextboot stuff;)[17:26:23] <richlowe> I feel even more guilty when it's stuff I asked for :([17:26:31] <tsoome> :D[17:28:32] *** trentm <trentm!~Adium@199.58.193.130> has joined #illumos[17:28:51] <tsoome> well, we like this stuff, we want to get it better, and so we try to do something about it. as simple as that.[17:30:47] *** melloc <melloc!~melloc@208.184.5.170> has joined #illumos[17:33:07] <tsoome> btw, there was this TZ update recently? it was noted on fbsd dev that turkey did create some mess there about their zone recently…[17:33:37] <tsoome> just noting;)[17:35:21] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@2001:470:f0f4:a0a:7916:407b:7d09:6d2d> has joined #illumos[17:38:39] <rmustacc> tsoome: Yes, another one was just announced, so someone needs to go through and update.[17:39:08] <richlowe> Do we have an asm-safe macro that is sizeof(void*)?[17:40:11] <rmustacc> richlowe: int_limits.h?[17:40:55] <nbjoerg> __SIZEOF_POINTER__?[17:41:01] <nbjoerg> not sure if your ancient gcc version has that[17:41:30] <richlowe> "asm safe"[17:42:06] <richlowe> rmustacc: that's max/min values, not size[17:42:14] *** openzfsslackbot <openzfsslackbot!~nobody@ec2-52-23-198-104.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has left #illumos[17:42:26] *** openzfsslackbot <openzfsslackbot!~nobody@ec2-52-23-198-104.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #illumos[17:43:11] <nbjoerg> it's a pure preprocessor define[17:43:14] *** MilkmanDan <MilkmanDan!~dan@wilug/expat/MilkmanDan> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[17:43:23] <richlowe> don't think we use gcc's preprocessor with the assembler necessarily :([17:43:32] <rmustacc> richlowe: Right, right. I started looking into isa_defs.h.[17:43:44] *** MilkmanDan <MilkmanDan!~dan@wilug/expat/MilkmanDan> has joined #illumos[17:43:51] <richlowe> rmustacc: I can do whatever easily enough, I just thought one existed I should use and wasn't finding it.[17:43:54] <danmcd> Cyprus, IIRC. 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slx86 <slx86!~Thunderbi@46-129-44-239.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl> has joined #illumos[18:45:32] *** saint_dogbert <saint_dogbert!~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[18:46:14] *** saint_dogbert <saint_dogbert!~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724> has joined #illumos[18:46:59] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has joined #illumos[18:52:12] *** Alek <Alek!~Alek@140.174.232.4> has joined #illumos[18:53:18] *** mmlb <mmlb!~mmlb@2601:589:c400:3299::2000> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)[18:57:35] *** saint_dogbert <saint_dogbert!~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:57:44] *** saint_dogbert <saint_dogbert!~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724> has joined #illumos[18:57:51] <rzezeski> I think lx, just like any other subsystem in illumos, will always have a chance of bit rot, but I think right now it's one of the healthier areas given we have at least 4 people (jerry, patrick, dan, and myself) that have good knowledge of the internals and can fix most issues very quickly.[18:58:33] <xenol> any chance we might see it upstreamed one day?[18:58:43] <rzezeski> that's more than we can say for many other parts of illumos[18:59:14] <rzezeski> xenol: they were discussing that above, I think we all want to see that happen, it's a matter of logistics and doing the work I think[18:59:35] <xenol> rzezeski: well that fact causes problems and makes contribution process to be not very flexible =P[18:59:36] <rzezeski> and figuring out which stuff we should implement at joyent before doing the upstream[19:00:36] <rzezeski> there are pros and cons here, the nice thing with it being mostly a joyent effort at the moment is we can experiment more easily, once its upstream that may not be the case[19:01:53] <xenol> yes, that's true.[19:02:25] <rzezeski> perhaps there is stuff we can upstream in the meantime, to lay the base, I think we have done that with some stuff like epoll/lx proc, right?[19:02:36] <rzezeski> But I haven't really sat down and thought about what those things would be.[19:02:38] <rzezeski> Or how it would play out.[19:03:06] <xenol> yes[19:03:15] <xenol> I should move up with the lx header separation[19:03:52] <rzezeski> Yea, I only glanced at that thread, I've been very busy with work and personal stuff and haven't been keeping good tabs on illumos-dev and IRC[19:04:10] <xenol> still moving?[19:04:27] <rzezeski> Yea, hopefully depart next thursday[19:04:32] <rzezeski> Also trying to sell the house[19:04:38] <rzezeski> And do work...all at the same time[19:05:51] <xenol> I thouht you were moving to SF, but saw different location on your twitter[19:05:55] <xenol> and was little bit suprised :)[19:06:00] <xenol> but seems to be a nice place[19:06:21] <rzezeski> anyways, I think Dan's effort has been a big step towards upstreaming, through his hard work we now have someone with some first hand knowledge about where the pain will be[19:06:27] <rzezeski> Yes, Colorado[19:07:01] <xenol> Send my regards to Cartman if you see him =P[19:07:07] <rzezeski> hah[19:09:48] <pmooney> Yeah, I think a lot of LX is still too immature to upstream at this point.[19:09:53] <pmooney> It's still undergoing a lot of churn[19:10:13] <pmooney> And there are many supporting pieces which need to be upstreamed as well[19:10:17] <richlowe> Right, one of the major questions is ow and when you think that would ever stop[19:10:19] <richlowe> given the goals.[19:10:57] <pmooney> It's not as if there's a ton going on in upstream Linux[19:11:05] <pmooney> It's more that we're still playing catch-up[19:11:26] <pmooney> This is especially true with some of the more complicated abstractions like namespaces[19:12:07] <pmooney> The rise of systemd has hastened the adoption of the less POSIX-y corners of the OS[19:12:28] <xenol> pmooney: is there a list of those "supporting pieces" lying somewhere?[19:12:48] <pmooney> xenol: Not that I know of. I am hoping to upstream the comm page work soon.[19:13:03] <xenol> pmooney: the rise of systemd also made a lot of people to switch from linux and we have a best chance to increase illumos userbase[19:13:23] <pmooney> I was going to do it in the fall, but the whole golang-has-an-unreasonable-stack-budget thing required change which pushed that back.[19:13:58] <pmooney> Once more machines in the JPC are running those bits, I'll pull it together to go upstream[19:14:23] <xenol> anyway, thanks for all the hard work.[19:14:50] *** anniz <anniz!~anniz@host-95-192-254-4.mobileonline.telia.com> has joined #illumos[19:27:14] *** xzi11a <xzi11a!~robert@static-108-48-124-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[19:34:32] *** sanjay <sanjay!~Adium@67.230.218.82> has joined #illumos[19:35:40] *** sanjay <sanjay!~Adium@67.230.218.82> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:36:48] *** ivo_ <ivo_!~Ivo@unaffiliated/ivo/x-7575225> has joined #illumos[19:37:25] <igork> pmooney: thanks for info about .NOPARALLEL[19:38:10] *** saint_dogbert <saint_dogbert!~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:38:33] *** saint_dogbert <saint_dogbert!~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724> has joined #illumos[19:40:27] *** ikonia <ikonia!~irc@unaffiliated/ikonia> has quit IRC (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))[19:42:37] *** ikonia <ikonia!~irc@unaffiliated/ikonia> has joined #illumos[19:50:48] *** saint_dogbert <saint_dogbert!~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[19:59:23] *** porkotron <porkotron!laski@punainen.org> has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded)[20:01:45] *** porkotron <porkotron!laski@punainen.org> has joined #illumos[20:07:56] *** esoel_ <esoel_!~esoel_@host86-164-39-144.range86-164.btcentralplus.com> has joined #illumos[20:23:30] <ryao> Just a heads up. If anyone is 1 degree of separation away from a US government security clearance holder and visits China, expect to be targetted by Chinese intelligence. Someone has been actively attacking my things for the past several days. I have also discovered backdoored equipment provided by the ISP. It seems that all ISP provided equipment is backdoored here. I am really glad that I brought my own ro[20:23:36] <ryao> uter.[20:25:17] *** matejz <matejz!~matejz@element.planetq.org> has joined #illumos[20:26:05] <danmcd> Does that include past holders? If so, everyone here is one degree... you're welcome. :-P[20:31:01] *** esoel_ <esoel_!~esoel_@host86-164-39-144.range86-164.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[20:32:06] <ryao> danmcd: I assume it would be current. I warned Brian Behlendorf that they are probably after me to get to him.[20:32:18] <danmcd> Lovely.[20:32:56] <danmcd> I only had a clearance because my first employer required it of me (even though I never used it for $DAYJOB).[20:36:53] <ryao> danmcd: I suspect that I am a target because LLNL handles classified data, Brian is involved in that, I could be a social engineer attack vector on him, there was no record of me having formal security training that anyone could find (I do have some if acing graduate computer security counts) and I am on their own turf.[20:37:19] <danmcd> Naturally.[20:37:26] <danmcd> Makes tons of sense.[20:46:35] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@101.204.248.110> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[20:48:33] *** freakazoid0223 <freakazoid0223!~chatzilla@pool-173-49-14-128.phlapa.fios.verizon.net> has left #illumos[20:52:26] *** eripa <eripa!~eripa@212.116.78.217> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:53:22] *** eripa <eripa!~eripa@212.116.78.217> has joined #illumos[20:54:27] *** mmlb <mmlb!~mmlb@2601:589:c400:3299::2000> has joined #illumos[20:54:49] *** sanjay <sanjay!~Adium@174-16-243-116.hlrn.qwest.net> has joined #illumos[20:55:16] *** danmcd_ <danmcd_!~danmcd@static-71-174-113-16.bstnma.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[20:58:27] *** danmcd <danmcd!~danmcd@static-71-174-113-16.bstnma.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[20:58:53] *** danmcd <danmcd!~danmcd@static-71-174-113-16.bstnma.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[21:01:34] *** danmcd_ <danmcd_!~danmcd@static-71-174-113-16.bstnma.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[21:01:34] *** nothingmuch <nothingmuch!~yuval@devel01.test.thermeon.eu> has quit IRC (Quit: *poof*)[21:05:41] *** danmcd <danmcd!~danmcd@static-71-174-113-16.bstnma.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitting)[21:05:59] *** danmcd <danmcd!~danmcd@static-71-174-113-16.bstnma.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[21:06:55] *** nikolam <nikolam!~nikolam@unaffiliated/nikolam> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[21:10:02] *** nikolam <nikolam!~nikolam@unaffiliated/nikolam> has joined #illumos[21:20:00] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:20:06] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has joined #illumos[21:23:49] *** aaro <aaro!~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147> has joined #illumos[21:27:07] *** ivo_ <ivo_!~Ivo@unaffiliated/ivo/x-7575225> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:29:53] *** MarcelT <MarcelT!~marcel@tortuga.telka.sk> has joined #illumos[21:30:36] *** slx86 <slx86!~Thunderbi@46-129-44-239.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: slx86)[21:38:16] *** ira <ira!~ira@samba/team/ira> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:42:30] *** matejz <matejz!~matejz@element.planetq.org> has quit IRC (Quit: matejz)[21:42:48] *** natkin <natkin!~textual@104-8-25-179.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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