November 27, 2010 
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(US dealie)[04:27:05] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[04:27:34] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #illumos[04:28:08] *** Shoggoth has quit IRC[04:28:42] *** Shoggoth has joined #illumos[04:39:51] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[04:50:01] *** marsell has quit IRC[04:56:08] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[04:56:37] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #illumos[05:31:59] *** x58 has joined #illumos[05:42:40] *** xapiens has quit IRC[05:43:41] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[05:44:07] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #illumos[05:52:52] *** Aram has joined #illumos[06:00:41] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[06:01:07] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #illumos[06:14:54] *** herzen has quit IRC[06:19:01] *** psychicist has quit IRC[06:20:01] *** axscode has joined #illumos[06:21:48] *** Triskelios has quit IRC[06:25:13] *** Triskelios has joined #illumos[06:34:42] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[06:35:08] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #illumos[06:52:12] *** carlomagno has quit IRC[06:54:16] *** dobah has quit IRC[07:04:00] *** Zauberpony has joined #illumos[07:05:14] *** Zauberpo1y has quit IRC[07:15:11] *** Shoggoth has quit IRC[07:30:40] <lewellyn> Thrae: i don't know enough to be useful. (since no one else has responded)[07:32:18] <Thrae> lewellyn, Thanks for the reply. It's the Friday after Thanksgiving and Thanksgiving weekend. Hopefully I can get an answer this weekend or next week somewhere in IRC.[07:33:31] <Thrae> Both ZFS and Solaris are secure software, especially with ZFS-Crypto, and I'm hoping to use them commercially for a HIPAA-compliant data storage venture.[07:33:55] <Thrae> Featuring CrashPlan.[07:34:50] <Thrae> For Illumos I have something else in mind for now...going to keep it here at home under Xen / Dual-Boot until it's more stable and featureful (especially Xen and ZFS-Crypto).[07:35:35] <joshua_> Speaking of S11 and new ZFS features -- are bugs 6924824 et al fixed in the last ON drop that Illumos is based off of?[07:35:55] <lewellyn> joshua_: what do the bugs say for the fixed release?[07:36:33] *** anilg has joined #illumos[07:36:40] <joshua_> those report 'last touched 7-apr-2010', and no fixed release; I'm curious if anyone went tracking them down in Illumos though[07:37:08] <joshua_> (If not, do we know if they're fixed in S11e? Not that I can run S11e on the machine that I actually want dedup on...)[07:37:55] <lewellyn> until it's fixed, it's unfixed.[07:38:16] <lewellyn> the bug db knows all (and afaict is still being updated)[07:38:59] <joshua_> hmm[07:39:01] <joshua_> total loss[07:39:19] <joshua_> so they claim that dedup is stable in S11e, but that bug seems to claim otherwise...[07:40:51] <joshua_> I woudl probably pick up a license for s11e if it weren't $1k/(socket*year) -- that is like 66% of our annual hosting bills[07:41:49] <Thrae> Yeah I'm even looking at BSD for production commercial use with Solaris 11's prices.[07:43:10] <Thrae> There's also Nexenta, but I still need to evaluate its stability versus OpenSolaris (which allows commercial use).[07:43:30] <joshua_> we had bad luck with zfs on FreeBSD, so we jumped ship back to OpenSolaris. the decision we're trying to make at this point is whether to get on the OI upgrade path, or to plan for the S11 upgrade path[07:43:54] <lewellyn> or to wait for another distro to emerge[07:44:13] *** jamesd__ has joined #illumos[07:44:20] <joshua_> right, though I'm not sure what that distro would be, and how it woudl provide benefit to me over OI[07:44:28] <lewellyn> 134b (luckily) seems pretty solid[07:45:16] <joshua_> right, currently we're running snv_134, but the lack of ongoing security patches is concerning[07:45:44] <joshua_> pretty much the only thing keeping us from getting owned if an exploit in apache came along tomorrow is that kiddies don't try Solaris shellcode usually[07:45:56] <lewellyn> which, without paying, is the boat you'd be in with osol release (not dev), regardless[07:45:56] <Thrae> Yeah, in my case, if I become too busy / move away / die, the server will need to be maintained by someone else. Someone far more expensive then me.[07:46:29] <joshua_> lewellyn, right -- but the theory would have been that every six months stuff'd be coming along ;)[07:47:04] * lewellyn tries to forget that he has early-2.2.x apache https in prod[07:47:13] <lewellyn> i think all the 2.0.x are finally gone[07:47:32] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[07:49:58] <joshua_> I mean, ultimately, the thing holding us to a SunOS-like kernel is ZFS; at least for me (I can't say about the other guys), I've found that COW snaps are *the* next big step in how I think about file systems[07:50:31] <joshua_> (the previous big step, of about equal magnitude, being going from drive letters to a unified namespace)[07:55:46] *** hsp has joined #illumos[08:49:18] <alanc> lewellyn: yep, still being updated, as you can see on bugs marked as fixed in snv_155 (the build that opened for changes this week when 154 closed)[08:49:59] <alanc> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=7002412 for the example on the top of my head[08:50:41] <alanc> or http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=7000552 from the discussion on tools-compilers today[08:51:07] <alanc> (yes, we rolled the bug-odometer over into the 7's)[08:52:26] <alanc> btw, 6924824 is about breaking the fishworks appliance installer - unlikely you'll hit that on opensolaris[08:53:56] <joshua_> alanc, Hmm -- my understanding was that other people were seeing massive system latencies (on the order of days) when trying to rm many files that existed inside dedup.[08:54:02] <joshua_> (and that 6924824 was that bug)[08:54:24] <alanc> I don't know the details, just what I read in the bug report[08:55:32] <alanc> it also mentions part of the problem is solved by http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6922161 fixed in snv_135[08:55:33] <joshua_> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6924390 is a dupe of 6924824; I don't have access to 6924514, 6929394 and 6929398 to xref them[08:56:03] <joshua_> hmm, OK[08:56:32] <joshua_> maybe I should set up a fakeprod environment and try to reproduce the issue with a dataset that we might actually have[08:57:04] <alanc> 6924514, 6929394 and 6929398 are all filed against the storage appliance category, not opensolaris/solaris categories, which is why they're not visible[08:57:18] <joshua_> ahh[08:58:25] <alanc> also has a pointer to http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6938089 fixed in snv_141 as similar problems people reported[08:58:33] <joshua_> so I guess I should just try to repro it in fakeprod[08:59:11] <alanc> but of course, I work on X11, not ZFS, so am hardly authoritative 8-)[08:59:54] <joshua_> yeah ;) well, the extra information is useful[09:00:14] <joshua_> so thanks![09:02:32] *** samuelyounge has joined #illumos[09:03:15] * joshua_ goes back to putting red ink on student kernels, instead of pondering which kernels he should run on his server ;)[09:16:15] *** hy is now known as h-[09:34:03] *** cuguardo has joined #illumos[09:37:57] *** axscodes has joined #illumos[09:39:32] *** axscode has quit IRC[09:49:02] *** gber has joined #illumos[09:50:09] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #illumos[09:50:57] *** _schily__ has joined #illumos[09:51:11] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[09:51:37] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #illumos[09:53:23] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC[09:54:25] *** schily___ has quit IRC[10:13:17] *** jamesd__ has joined #illumos[10:14:22] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC[10:14:47] *** jamesd__ has joined #illumos[10:16:32] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[10:38:40] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC[10:38:49] *** xmikus01 has joined #illumos[10:39:05] *** jamesd__ has joined #illumos[10:52:51] *** anilg has quit IRC[10:52:51] *** xmikus01 has quit IRC[10:55:18] *** xmikus01 has joined #illumos[10:57:40] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC[10:57:40] *** xmikus01 has quit IRC[10:58:07] *** jamesd__ has joined #illumos[10:59:08] *** xmikus01 has joined #illumos[10:59:51] <cuguardo> after `onu' the installed ON is differ from $CODEMGR_WS/proto/root_${MACH}. I've manually adds to new BE some stuff - a driver, utils, libs and headers; but how to do it by the rules? so, to installed ON was an exact copy of the built the one.[11:06:20] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC[11:06:47] *** jamesd__ has joined #illumos[11:08:35] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC[11:08:35] *** xmikus01 has quit IRC[11:09:00] *** jamesd__ has joined #illumos[11:10:03] *** xmikus01 has joined #illumos[11:18:29] *** andy_js has joined #illumos[11:18:29] *** xmikus01 has quit IRC[11:19:38] *** xmikus01 has joined #illumos[11:20:09] *** OclkdMan has joined #illumos[11:33:07] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #illumos[11:33:07] *** xmikus01 has quit IRC[11:35:15] *** xmikus01 has joined #illumos[11:36:12] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC[11:36:13] *** samuelyounge has quit IRC[11:41:44] *** kart__ has joined #illumos[11:41:45] *** kart_ has quit IRC[11:55:54] *** xmikus01 has quit IRC[11:58:09] *** xmikus01 has joined #illumos[12:04:47] *** xmikus01 has quit IRC[12:07:09] *** xmikus01 has joined #illumos[12:08:20] *** OclkdMan has quit IRC[12:08:20] *** xmikus01 has quit IRC[12:10:09] *** xmikus01 has joined #illumos[12:18:42] *** cuguardo has quit IRC[12:18:42] *** xmikus01 has quit IRC[12:19:54] *** xmikus01 has joined #illumos[12:29:38] *** xmikus01 has quit IRC[12:32:07] *** xmikus01 has joined #illumos[12:34:47] *** xmikus01 has quit IRC[12:36:44] *** xmikus01 has joined #illumos[12:38:15] *** hsp has quit IRC[12:47:07] *** xmikus01 has quit IRC[12:48:51] *** xmikus01 has joined #illumos[13:00:57] *** joffe has joined #illumos[13:02:14] *** xmikus01 has quit IRC[13:03:42] *** xmikus01 has joined #illumos[13:30:16] *** h- is now known as hy[13:39:24] <zynox> How long should I expect it to take for mercurial to clone illumos-gate?[13:39:31] <zynox> Its been 30 minutes+ now[13:39:42] <zynox> At "adding file changes"[13:39:47] *** Tenzer|off is now known as Tenzer[14:29:14] *** xmikus01 has quit IRC[14:30:16] *** xmikus01 has joined #illumos[14:54:37] <Aram> zynox: It takes me 9 hours. Depends on your ISP and your geographical location.[14:54:44] <zynox> :|[14:54:58] <zynox> esh, mercurial is just way too slow[15:08:30] *** xapiens has joined #illumos[15:21:39] *** hy is now known as h-[15:21:40] *** xmikus01 has quit IRC[15:22:56] *** xmikus01 has joined #illumos[15:24:19] *** psychicist has joined #illumos[15:24:19] *** xmikus01 has quit IRC[15:26:11] *** xmikus01 has joined #illumos[15:31:38] *** h- is now known as hy[15:31:38] *** xmikus01 has quit IRC[15:31:42] *** hy is now known as h-[15:32:41] *** xmikus01 has joined #illumos[15:37:13] <zynox> hehe then it fails "abort: case-folding collision between usr/src/cmd/lp/filter/postscript/font/devpost/Hb and usr/src/cmd/lp/filter/postscript/font/devpost/HB"[15:37:29] *** ivan has quit IRC[15:38:09] *** anilg has joined #illumos[15:38:48] *** ivan has joined #illumos[15:38:50] *** ivan has quit IRC[15:39:27] *** ivan has joined #illumos[15:44:33] *** kart__ is now known as kart_[15:57:14] *** e^ipi_ has joined 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for loading[21:04:04] <igork> liveCD[21:04:09] *** jobo has quit IRC[21:04:16] <igork> commant ptompt[21:04:23] <igork> + ZFS[21:04:49] <Triskelios> a bare illumos install will get you that much[21:05:38] <igork> I have o no install - I have to LiveCD[21:05:51] <tomww> igork: you could steal the miniroot archives used for failsafe boot and / or install over the net[21:06:18] <igork> where can I find packages for miniroot ?[21:06:26] <igork> packages names ?[21:06:39] <igork> or list of files[21:08:57] *** e-jones has quit IRC[21:09:21] *** e-jones has joined #illumos[21:11:35] <tomww>[21:11:40] <Triskelios> tomww: failsafe only existed for SXCE, no?[21:14:17] <Triskelios> igork: can you explain what you're trying to do?[21:14:24] *** lblume has quit IRC[21:15:18] <igork> I try to create LiveCD with illumos[21:15:19] <tomww> Triskelios: right, failsafe got removed unfortunately[21:15:46] <igork> only with command prompt and ZFS[21:19:05] <Triskelios> igork: start with http://hg.openindiana.org/mq_pkg-gate/file/6d45a00f9225/oi-releng-src-util-distro-import-148-server_cluster and remove stuff[21:20:26] <igork> thanks[21:22:09] <igork> but how to find minimal list ?[21:27:44] *** Hedonista has joined #illumos[21:29:45] <Triskelios> igork: pkg contents -r -m osnet-incorporation at 0 dot 5.11-0.<build>?[21:30:33] <igork> ok, I'll try, thanks[21:43:08] *** pothos_ has joined #illumos[21:44:10] *** pothos has quit IRC[21:44:51] *** pothos_ is now known as pothos[21:52:00] *** Thrae has quit IRC[21:52:13] *** hsp has joined #illumos[21:53:54] <Triskelios> igork: http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=434980 has an older list[21:54:42] *** samuelyounge has quit IRC[21:55:20] <igork> Trisk: thx[21:55:50] <igork> Trisk: I'll try[21:55:57] *** Thrae has joined #illumos[21:57:05] *** samuelyounge has joined #illumos[22:02:08] *** andy_js has quit IRC[22:08:43] *** andy_js has joined #illumos[22:09:35] *** e-jones has quit IRC[22:18:08] *** N2Deep has 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