November 23, 2010 
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Microsoft "How much do you need?" ... Attachmate "We only need 2.2billion more!"[01:10:34] <FrostCS> http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/211414/microsofts_hand_in_novell_deal_bodes_ill_for_linux.html[01:11:17] *** spanglywires has left #illumos[01:12:03] *** RoyK has quit IRC[01:13:49] *** snuff-work has joined #illumos[01:18:33] *** edude03 has joined #illumos[01:22:50] <lewellyn> pcworld. exactly where i get my trusted news. right after el reg.[01:23:03] *** gber has quit IRC[01:23:28] <jkimball4> is that sarcasm?[01:24:03] <lewellyn> maybee.....[01:24:21] <jkimball4> i generally think of the reg as a trustworthy source[01:25:16] <alanc> at least the reg is more clear about their biases[01:25:42] <lewellyn> pcworld is, too. "whatever keeps subscribers"[01:26:03] <jkimball4> i thought it went out with the 90s anyway[01:26:47] <jkimball4> since Mac OS only runs on pcs now, do they cover them, too? :)[01:29:18] <lewellyn> jkimball4: if you listened to jobs, the G4 was a pc ;)[01:29:37] <jkimball4> heh i don't usually listen to lunatics[01:30:44] <lewellyn> i think the wrong steve ended up back in charge, still :([01:31:10] <jkimball4> woz wasn't as willing to sell his soul i guess[01:32:07] <lewellyn> however, he's always been more hacker-friendly.[01:32:26] <lewellyn> imagine the iphone if it were an open platform...[01:32:44] <jkimball4> so open source in objective C would appeal to you?[01:33:00] <lewellyn> that's another jobsism. smalltalk freak he is ;)[01:33:25] <lewellyn> i said hacker *friendly*, remember :)[01:33:36] <jkimball4> an open device with that much momentum would be nice[01:33:56] <jkimball4> err the momentum is had last year at least[01:34:05] <jkimball4> it*[01:34:20] <samuelyounge> Well iOS4.2 was released today. It will be nice to be able to finally print from my iphone.[01:34:29] <jkimball4> to the 4 printers it supports?[01:34:37] <samuelyounge> lol[01:34:45] <samuelyounge> I'll take what I can get.[01:34:51] <lewellyn> i think there's a huge market out there for an "everything phone" that doesn't require any sort of jailbreaking but can use existing software pretty easily.[01:35:07] <jkimball4> n900 is pretty good about that[01:35:08] <lewellyn> hell, MY phone supports like a dozen. none of which i own :P[01:35:27] <lewellyn> of course, i can't print directly to my color laser from solaris either[01:35:38] <lewellyn> thanks to the lametard who wrote the filter[01:40:59] <lewellyn> he's totally against anyone packaging his work and makes it a pain :P[01:45:53] <jkimball4> fuck 'im[01:53:07] <lewellyn> jkimball4: if i could sanely package it, i would. i've tried a few times.[01:54:42] <jkimball4> packaging what?[01:59:38] <lewellyn> foo2qpdl in this case[02:00:00] <lewellyn> though i'd probably just stick all his foo2* in one package once i figured out a sane way to do it[02:18:43] *** Shoggoth has joined #illumos[02:23:06] *** libkeiser has quit IRC[02:25:17] *** libkeiser has joined #illumos[02:26:27] *** dreh has quit IRC[02:56:54] *** randw has quit IRC[03:04:39] *** [JT] has quit IRC[03:13:44] *** Aram has quit IRC[03:14:55] *** [JT] has joined #illumos[03:15:52] *** LeftWing has joined #illumos[03:17:22] *** venture37 has left #illumos[03:18:43] *** axscode has joined #illumos[03:34:12] *** spked has joined #illumos[03:34:52] *** snuff-home2 has joined #illumos[03:36:31] *** snuff-home has quit IRC[04:06:35] *** nachox has quit IRC[04:16:31] *** MindDrive has quit IRC[04:16:58] *** MindDrive has joined #illumos[04:27:46] <Triskelios> anyone up for code reviews?[04:35:42] *** POloser has joined #illumos[04:38:42] <russiane39> Triskelios, localhost is always online :)[04:48:16] *** vitaliy_gusev has quit IRC[05:04:01] *** snuff-home2 has quit IRC[05:07:10] *** 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moved has quit IRC[18:57:52] <gber> Triskelios: does CVE-2010-3864 (OpenSSL buffer overflow) affect Illumos/ONNV?[18:59:59] <Triskelios> gber: probably affects OpenSSL in SFW. I don't think anything in ON does SSL/TLS and it's described as a race in TLS session handling[19:00:44] *** lattera has quit IRC[19:00:47] <Triskelios> (so even more unlikely it affects any other implementations)[19:02:36] <gber> why is the ancient version even in there?[19:05:40] *** mavhc has joined #illumos[19:10:46] <lewellyn> gber: in where?[19:11:49] <gber> in ONNV[19:11:56] <lewellyn> it's not.[19:11:58] <lewellyn> it's in SFW[19:12:09] <lewellyn> which is its own special ball of wax.[19:12:17] <gber> onnv-gate/usr/src/common/openssl ?[19:12:26] <lewellyn> ugh. there's a private openssl too!?[19:12:41] *** ottom has joined #illumos[19:13:23] <lewellyn> is there an opengrok instance for illumos?[19:13:36] <Aram> src.illumos.org[19:13:42] <lewellyn> Aram: no go[19:13:57] <Aram> hmm. yes.[19:14:14] <gber> there's OI hgweb[19:14:29] <lewellyn> is OI finally using illumos?[19:14:30] <gber> http://hg.openindiana.org/illumos-gate/[19:14:48] <gber> not yet, release after oi_148 will be[19:14:48] <lewellyn> anyhow. time to get back to paid stuff.[19:15:11] <lewellyn> so the question is now "why does ON have its own private openssl?"[19:15:14] * lewellyn wonders and wanders[19:15:33] *** anilg has quit IRC[19:15:45] *** mikw has joined #illumos[19:20:15] <jbk> lewellyn: probably for the same reason you needed postgres to build ON at one point -- it was easier than doing the work to not have it there[19:20:27] <jbk> (thankfully you no longer need it)[19:27:55] *** ffea has joined #illumos[19:33:40] *** merzo has joined #illumos[19:36:19] *** xapiens has joined #illumos[19:36:59] *** _ams_ has joined #illumos[19:43:31] *** edude03 has quit IRC[19:46:35] *** eXeC001er has joined #illumos[19:50:39] *** gebi has joined #illumos[19:50:42] *** gebi has joined #illumos[19:51:16] *** hnhn has quit IRC[20:03:34] *** spked has quit IRC[20:03:42] *** spked has joined #illumos[20:05:00] *** trbs has joined #illumos[20:12:55] *** edp_mobile has quit IRC[20:14:19] *** ffea_ has joined #illumos[20:14:24] *** psychicist has joined #illumos[20:14:38] *** _ams_ has quit IRC[20:15:34] <alanc> lewellyn: according to 6868669, because SFW doesn't deliver static libraries for OpenSSL, but wanboot needs to statically link against it[20:15:55] *** ffea has quit IRC[20:15:56] *** ffea_ is now known as ffea[20:16:14] *** Tenzer|off is now known as Tenzer[20:27:30] *** carlomagno has joined #illumos[20:30:58] *** ShadowHntr has joined #illumos[20:30:58] *** ShadowHntr has joined #illumos[20:34:25] *** ffea_ has joined #illumos[20:34:35] *** ffea has quit IRC[20:34:37] *** ffea_ is now known as ffea[20:36:47] <lewellyn> alanc: that's lame. :([20:43:27] <jbk> alanc: xfs is for the old bitmapped fonts, right?[20:44:01] *** Petri has joined #illumos[20:45:15] <Triskelios> jbk: not even that, it's sort of a special case for fonts remote to the X server[20:45:40] <Triskelios> jbk: server-side fonts work without it[20:46:20] <jbk> ok.. so very unlikely to affect java processings using Xvnc on the same box if turned off[20:48:03] <Triskelios> right. I think Java has been brought into this century and uses fontconfig now, anyway[20:50:55] <jbk> well this is oracle[20:52:21] <Triskelios> should've happened pre-oracle[20:52:53] <jbk> but in terms of the version they use with their stuff[20:53:21] <Triskelios> I suspect S10 is fine[20:53:21] <lewellyn> oh. so like java circa 1999.[20:55:06] *** alhazred__ has joined #illumos[20:56:18] *** ffea has quit IRC[20:57:50] *** saablover has quit IRC[20:58:38] *** hsp has quit IRC[20:59:03] *** alhazred_ has quit IRC[21:01:12] *** Petri has left #illumos[21:01:35] *** slpz has quit IRC[21:04:26] *** ffea has joined #illumos[21:14:37] *** dobah has joined #illumos[21:23:35] *** McBofh has quit IRC[21:28:01] *** fve has joined #illumos[21:36:22] <alanc> jbk: xfs is for allowing remote machines to access fonts, regardless of format[21:36:48] <alanc> some linux distros also used it for local fonts, to move processing of large fonts (mainly CJK locales) into effectively a separate thread[21:37:14] <alanc> on Solaris, xfs was mainly used for remote desktops[21:37:33] <igork> hi all[21:39:05] <igork> could you please help me : I try to run add_drv . I can see changes in /dev, but don't have in /devices/pseudo[21:39:35] <igork> what tool put devices to /devices/pseudo ?[21:40:03] <jbk> alanc: ok..[21:40:16] <igork> devfsadm -u -r /1 - not updated[21:40:28] <jbk> apparently oracle in their infinite wisdom didn't bother to see what existing stuff was listening on on the platforms they support[21:40:32] <jbk> so for the e-biz suite[21:40:36] <jbk> if you pick the wrong 'port pool'[21:40:48] <jbk> you run into a conflict with xfs & cde-spc[21:41:10] <jbk> however[21:41:22] <igork> how to correct it ?[21:41:23] <jbk> they also still require Xvnc to run for some of their java processes[21:41:35] <jbk> (on the same system)[21:42:35] <igork> how to resolve it: devfsadm[23207]: verbose: no devfs node or mismatched dev_t for /1/devices/pseudo/ii@0:ii[21:42:41] <Triskelios> igork: /devices is a virtual filesystem, if the driver is working anything it creates should be there[21:42:45] *** ffea has quit IRC[21:42:55] <igork> command: devfsadm -r /1 -v[21:43:31] <Triskelios> igork: /devices needs to be mounted in /1 for that to work[21:43:49] <igork> I try prepare miniroot[21:43:54] <igork> in /1[21:44:14] <igork> it is mounted /dev/lofi/1[21:44:23] <igork> ufs disk[21:45:40] <Triskelios> igork: then ignore that message. /devices only exists on a running system[21:45:50] <igork> ok[21:48:10] <lewellyn> alanc: btw, i saw the radeonhd removal commit. that was amusing.[21:53:03] <sickness> lewellyn: in favor of radeon ?[21:53:54] * lewellyn doesn't do ati and does not know[21:54:13] <sickness> heh[21:56:11] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[21:58:15] <Triskelios> most of the radeonhd developers defected to radeon, from what I understand[21:59:00] *** n1c0b has joined #illumos[22:00:34] *** russiane39 has quit IRC[22:01:03] *** Meths has quit IRC[22:02:44] *** Meths has joined #illumos[22:05:54] <alanc> yes, no one has committed to radeonhd upstream in 6 months - most developers switched to radeon, the other one went back to hacking on his VIA driver fork no one uses since SuSE laid him off[22:07:38] <lewellyn> if you're not being paid, may as well scratch your own itch ;)[22:10:20] *** russiane39 has joined #illumos[22:10:21] *** land0 has joined #illumos[22:20:33] *** eXeC001er has quit IRC[22:25:38] <sickness> eheh[22:25:44] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC[22:35:47] *** held has quit IRC[22:36:25] *** alhazred__ has quit IRC[22:40:59] *** davenz has joined #illumos[22:46:31] *** lblume has quit IRC[22:53:39] *** Tenzer is now known as Tenzer|off[23:02:53] *** n1c0b has quit IRC[23:07:38] *** land0 has quit IRC[23:10:30] *** held has joined #illumos[23:26:02] *** dajhorn has quit IRC[23:40:22] *** xmikus01 has joined #illumos[23:41:29] *** russiane39 has quit IRC[23:41:37] *** elgar has quit IRC[23:43:02] *** jamesd2 has joined #illumos[23:45:50] *** spked has quit IRC[23:49:43] *** Aram has quit IRC[23:49:45] *** skeeziks has left #illumos[23:51:36] *** mikw has quit IRC[23:51:59] *** McBofh has joined #illumos[23:54:53] *** n1c0b has joined #illumos[23:56:38] *** n1c0b has quit IRC