November 20, 2010 
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November 20, 2010 [00:00:38] <jbk> the current model is basically a reflection of hte implementation[00:01:01] <nachox_> jbk, please, please, emulate that of openbsd! :)[00:01:20] <jbk> well i want to look and see what's out there[00:01:58] <jbk> but putting the IPSEC SPD and IKE SPD in separate files with separate admin tools is just confusing[00:02:10] <lewellyn> jbk: yes. being different isn't always bad. sometimes it just means you've learnt from everyone's mistakes ;)[00:02:11] <jbk> all the time using overloaded terms[00:02:34] *** postwait has quit IRC[00:02:35] <jbk> well that's why i want to look at what other implementations are doing[00:02:39] <gdamore> jbk: I'm happy to have a different config syntax. Happier still if you happen to arrive at the same syntax as any other popular implementatoin.[00:03:50] <lewellyn> that said, even if your syntax differs, you should support at least one popular format even if it means that you'er going to lose a slight bit of functionality by using it.[00:03:53] <lewellyn> interoperability++[00:03:58] <jbk> if there is one that appears to be particularly good, i'm happy to emulate that, there may be some specific tweaks for illumos (for example, my intention is to use KMF to manage any certificates, so requirements of that might lead to some minor differences)[00:04:11] <jbk> err + though[00:04:53] <jbk> since using kmf, you need different parameters to identify a certificate store depending on the type (openssl, nss, etc.)[00:07:22] <nachox_> have you seen what nwand does to configure ipsec?[00:07:28] <jbk> no[00:07:33] <jbk> and i probably don't want to :)[00:07:59] <jbk> as it is, i'm still annoyed over network/physical:default breaking[00:08:03] *** hnhn has quit IRC[00:08:21] <jbk> and not being able to configure a working interface with ifconfig/route in later builds[00:08:24] <samuelyounge> is IKE still closed bin?[00:08:29] <jbk> samuelyounge: yes[00:08:55] <jbk> i've been slowly working on replacing it (well initially it'll be v2, not v1 support, but will hopefully add v1 after that)[00:09:21] <nachox_> its all userland stuff?[00:09:31] <jbk> ike?[00:09:36] <nachox_> yep[00:09:38] <jbk> yeah[00:10:05] <nrubsig> I just checked.[00:10:10] <jbk> it just uses pfkey to tell the kernel what key to use for a connection (in essense, there's a bit more to it)[00:10:15] <nrubsig> erm[00:10:32] <jbk> kinda an awkward interface, but oh well[00:10:41] <jbk> (since it's asynchronous vs. doing an ioctl or such)[00:13:53] *** [JT] has joined #illumos[00:14:48] *** e-jones has joined #illumos[00:15:22] *** jkastner_ has joined #illumos[00:23:04] *** dnm has quit IRC[00:40:03] *** psychicist has quit IRC[00:53:06] *** Parabola has joined #illumos[00:53:20] *** Parabola has left #illumos[00:57:12] *** xmikus01 has quit IRC[01:11:40] *** gber has quit IRC[01:16:26] *** pizdec has quit IRC[01:27:32] *** randw has quit IRC[01:48:45] *** dreh has quit IRC[01:50:59] *** Sloar has left #illumos[02:07:44] *** robinbowes has joined #illumos[02:38:11] *** jamesd2 has joined #illumos[02:46:05] <nrubsig> just for the log: |ftw()| in libast is just a wrapper for the more modern |ftwalk()|, so basically it#s there to drag old code in the AST codebase around until it has been updated to use |ftwalk()|[02:47:41] <nrubsig> gdamore: Isn't the Niagara2 crypto engine's VHDL source available somewhere ?[02:50:35] <jbk> if it is, it's on opensparc.net probably[02:52:46] <nrubsig> jbk: if it is really VHDL then there should be a register description and maybe even a testsuite[03:00:29] *** nachox_ has quit IRC[03:00:48] <jbk> http://opensparc-t2.sunsource.net/specs/OST2-UASuppl-current-draft-HP-EXT.pdf might be useful[03:02:06] <nrubsig> jbk: please send that to garrett...[03:15:49] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #illumos[03:18:35] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[03:24:44] <jbk> http://kenai.com/downloads/hypervisor/hypervisor-api-3.0draft4.pdf looks to be more interesting[03:36:40] *** nachox has joined #illumos[04:07:52] *** Tempt has quit IRC[04:09:56] *** descipher has joined #illumos[04:11:40] *** Tempt has joined #illumos[04:11:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tempt[04:21:11] *** jelmd_ has joined #illumos[04:21:11] *** jelmd has quit IRC[04:21:12] *** jelmd_ is now known as jelmd[04:27:26] *** N2Deep has joined #illumos[04:35:04] *** nachox has quit IRC[05:01:57] *** kart_ has joined #illumos[05:05:37] *** carlomagno has quit IRC[05:22:32] <nrubsig> e^ipi: yt ?[05:22:46] *** CVLTCMK0 has joined #illumos[05:38:58] *** CVLTCMK0 has quit IRC[05:43:42] *** CVLTCMK0 has joined #illumos[05:53:00] *** h3sp4wn has quit IRC[05:58:44] <jelmd> bah - DTRACE_PROBE6(...) gets resolved to: nothing -> "xec.c", line 224: undefined symbol: function__entry :([06:06:37] *** nrubsig has quit IRC[06:14:21] *** h3sp4wn has joined #illumos[06:15:35] <e^ipi> nrubsig: yes[06:16:12] <e^ipi> but i just got in to a pretty painful crash at the track so if it's going to be annoying i'd suggest waiting until tomorrow when i'm in better spirits ;)[06:16:22] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[06:24:27] *** edude03 has joined #illumos[07:03:37] *** Zauberpony has joined #illumos[07:05:30] *** Zauberpo1y has quit IRC[07:07:22] *** zhl has joined #illumos[07:07:40] *** zhl has left #illumos[07:07:43] *** zhl has joined #illumos[07:12:19] *** ZHL_ has joined #illumos[07:12:41] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #illumos[07:12:57] *** zhl has left #illumos[07:16:33] *** ZHL_ has quit IRC[07:16:38] *** ZHL_ has joined #illumos[07:21:42] *** nikolam has joined #illumos[07:41:15] *** jamesd__ has joined #illumos[07:43:49] *** jamesd2 has joined #illumos[07:44:43] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[07:46:23] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC[08:00:54] *** nikolam has quit IRC[08:03:26] *** xapiens has quit IRC[08:07:12] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #illumos[08:10:37] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[08:11:38] *** jamesd__ has joined #illumos[08:14:41] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[08:15:01] *** Bdragon has quit IRC[08:16:35] *** hsp has joined #illumos[08:16:54] *** jamesd2 has joined #illumos[08:19:36] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[08:20:04] *** jamesd2 has joined #illumos[08:20:04] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC[08:24:31] *** palowoda has joined #illumos[08:25:36] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[08:26:04] *** jamesd2 has joined #illumos[08:28:29] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #illumos[08:30:10] *** DesiJat has left #illumos[08:30:47] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[08:48:14] *** edude03 has quit IRC[08:56:36] *** schily__ has joined #illumos[08:57:34] *** samuelyounge has quit IRC[08:59:38] *** samuelyounge has joined #illumos[08:59:45] *** schily_ has quit IRC[09:02:00] *** CVLTCMK0 has quit IRC[09:07:17] *** CVLTCMK0 has joined #illumos[09:25:39] *** smrt has quit IRC[09:25:54] *** smrt has joined #illumos[10:26:32] *** ZHL_ has quit IRC[10:30:33] *** olivine has quit IRC[10:35:11] *** joe262 has joined #illumos[10:35:55] *** dreh has joined #illumos[10:36:40] *** gber has joined #illumos[10:44:51] *** gebi has joined #illumos[10:58:22] <estibi> hello[11:00:49] *** gber has quit IRC[11:02:37] *** gber has joined #illumos[11:03:48] <jkimball4> hi[11:05:41] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[11:19:14] *** gebi has quit IRC[11:45:43] *** hnhn has joined #illumos[11:48:36] *** jelmd has left #illumos[11:53:11] *** xmikus01 has joined #illumos[11:57:05] *** Jondice1 has quit IRC[12:08:15] *** hnhn has quit IRC[12:10:30] *** hnhn has joined #illumos[12:12:29] *** hnhn has quit IRC[12:17:45] *** hnhn has joined #illumos[12:54:32] <madwizard> Coffee[13:26:29] *** descipher has quit IRC[13:37:32] *** gber_ has joined #illumos[13:40:22] *** gber has quit IRC[13:42:41] *** hajma_ has quit IRC[13:49:34] *** Kimmy has joined #illumos[13:53:21] *** RoyK has quit IRC[13:54:54] *** hajma_ has joined #illumos[13:57:04] *** Kimmy has quit IRC[13:57:17] *** befreax has joined #illumos[13:57:59] *** befreax has quit IRC[14:04:19] *** nachox has joined #illumos[14:05:48] *** samuelyounge has quit IRC[14:08:46] *** gber_ is now known as gber[14:18:05] *** snuff-work has quit IRC[14:19:30] *** snuff-work has joined #illumos[14:48:26] *** e-jones has joined #illumos[14:53:51] <madwizard> Khm, I'm unable to switch to two screen mode.[14:56:04] *** btQuark has quit IRC[15:05:39] *** xapiens has joined #illumos[15:13:26] *** wmd has joined #illumos[15:17:42] <wmd> hello[15:23:08] <madwizard> 'lo[15:23:26] *** nachox has quit IRC[15:25:28] <wmd> anyone try building illumos on a macbook pro with openindiana on parallels?[15:26:36] <madwizard> Not me[15:28:23] <wmd> ah righto, just kicked off the build and wondering how long it took for people[15:28:31] <wmd> hopefully it should go smoothly[15:45:39] <e^ipi> all day[15:45:46] <e^ipi> like 6 hours[15:46:04] <e^ipi> virtualized I/O sucks[15:47:03] <wmd> hmm 6 hours eh? can I suspend a build and resume[15:49:40] <wmd> maybe with nice or renice?[15:52:38] <e^ipi> i don't know what happens if you suspend it[15:52:51] <e^ipi> i think it bitches about weird time jumps but otherwise doesn't car[15:52:55] <e^ipi> *care[15:55:00] <wmd> hmm cool, I may try that if it's slow as hell[15:55:25] <e^ipi> anything that does any IO is[16:00:29] <wmd> so what's the deal with contributing? bug finding/patching etc? I see where the buglist is, how would I go about how to find/fix them? any docs available?[16:01:19] <wmd> I'm a newb at contributing to this stuff[16:02:43] <e^ipi> http://www.illumos.org/projects/5/wiki/How_To_Contribute[16:03:59] <wmd> ah so OpenSolaris ON docs is what I should be looking at[16:04:04] <e^ipi> more or less[16:04:14] <e^ipi> it's only when you're ready to putback that there's a difference[16:04:27] <e^ipi> and the build, illumos doesn't use the crypto tarball[16:06:10] <wmd> how does that matter? the crypto tarball (I don't know what it's for)[16:07:41] *** postwait has joined #illumos[16:07:49] <e^ipi> signed crypto stuff... if you follow the illumos docs you're doing the right thing[16:08:03] <e^ipi> if you follow the opensolaris docs for building you aren't[16:08:36] <wmd> ah ok cool[16:09:17] *** edude03 has joined #illumos[16:31:42] *** edude03 has quit IRC[16:40:40] *** edude03 has joined #illumos[16:40:46] *** e-jones has quit IRC[17:01:26] *** edude03 has quit IRC[17:04:17] *** edude03 has joined #illumos[17:08:18] *** descipher has joined #illumos[17:14:42] *** RoyK has joined #illumos[17:28:25] *** trbs has joined #illumos[17:33:15] *** hsp has quit IRC[17:36:05] *** hsp has joined #illumos[17:40:48] *** edude03 has quit IRC[17:53:41] *** postwait has quit IRC[18:06:27] *** DerSaidin has quit IRC[18:06:41] *** DerSaidin has joined #illumos[18:08:51] *** kart_ has quit IRC[18:09:54] *** kart_ has joined #illumos[18:46:01] *** RoyK has quit IRC[19:01:59] *** wmd has quit IRC[19:32:22] *** psychicist has joined #illumos[19:42:20] *** hajma__ has joined #illumos[19:43:01] *** hajma_ has quit IRC[20:23:04] *** postwait has joined #illumos[20:29:20] <gdamore> hi *[20:29:54] <Triskelios> afternoon[20:30:28] <jbk> hello[20:31:06] <gdamore> so I want to figure out what we can do to facilitate more and faster integrations into illumos.[20:32:01] <jbk> oh speaking of that.. since my plans this afternoon have changed a bit, let me knock out that ls fix[20:32:12] <gdamore> thank you.[20:34:01] <alanc> though it appears hsfs is a bigger casualty of using 12.1 compilers (as joerg reported a few weeks ago)[20:34:16] <jbk> well at least let me kick off nightly..[20:34:31] <jbk> though when did -xstrconst become the default?[20:34:42] <alanc> jbk: Studio 12.1[20:34:57] <alanc> (or 12 update 1 in the old naming style)[20:35:40] <jbk> which translates into what for cc -V ?[20:36:07] <alanc> I think gcc 3.0 made their equivalent flag default to non-writable, so people building with gcc should already be suffering[20:36:25] <Triskelios> gdamore: I guess a way to track RTI review status so people don't keep having to IRC would be nice[20:36:29] <jbk> i want to make sure i can recreate this while building ON[20:36:46] <alanc> cc: Sun C 5.10 SunOS_i386 Patch 142363-05 2010/04/28 is what I get from /ws/onnv-tools/SUNWspro/sunstudio12.1/bin/cc -V[20:37:15] <Triskelios> *having to ping IRC[20:37:22] *** e-jones has joined #illumos[20:37:46] *** hsp has quit IRC[20:37:49] <jbk> hmm the version i have is patch -03[20:38:29] <jbk> of course i'm not even sure that ON is using that to build...[20:39:36] *** e-jones has quit IRC[20:41:41] <alanc> the Oracle builds hit it when switching from 12.0 to 12.1 in 153 - I don't know if anyone's done the work on the illumos side to use cc from 12.1 instead of just lint[20:46:27] *** jelmd has joined #illumos[20:47:24] <jbk> ahh so illumos isn't using it yet[20:47:35] <jbk> trying to think of the best way to verify this[20:47:54] <jbk> i can build just ls w/ -xstrconst using the current version of ss[20:47:59] <jbk> or use 12.1 on just ls[20:48:54] <jbk> or do a full nightly w/ 12.1 (though that might fail for unrelated reasons), or do nightly w/ -xstrconst + current SS on everything (but again, might fail in other areas for unrelated reasons)[20:51:04] *** mikw has joined #illumos[20:52:34] <Triskelios> what's the bug ID for the 12.1 regressions?[20:53:11] <jbk> gdamore: any suggestions?[20:53:16] <Triskelios> jbk: I've done fully nightlies with 12.1, although I've never onu'ed those[20:53:22] <Triskelios> *full[20:53:26] <jbk> so they don't error out?[20:53:32] <Triskelios> no they don't[20:53:35] <jbk> ok[20:53:59] <jbk> i'll do that.. i don't know if i'll need to onu -- i can always run the resulting binary directly[20:54:45] <jbk> did you just modify SPRO_ROOT?[20:57:26] *** postwait has quit IRC[20:57:27] <Triskelios> SPRO_ROOT=/opt/sunstudio12.1 and ln -s . /opt/sunstudio12.1/sunstudio12.1[20:57:50] <e^ipi> gdamore: what do you think the limiters to integration are?[20:58:23] <e^ipi> my first instinct is 'process & bureaucracy' but that's a holdover from opensolaris[20:58:40] <e^ipi> i don't think our process is that heavy. I think it's a matter of understanding the code base by this point[20:59:11] <jbk> yeah.. i suppose making it a bit easier to build might help[21:00:06] <e^ipi> probably help a ton[21:00:26] <e^ipi> i actually don't think a lot of people realize you can bldenv & then just enter a subtree and make(1)[21:00:39] <jbk> that's not entirely true[21:00:55] <jbk> some of the subtrees are goofy[21:00:57] <e^ipi> well after make setup's done[21:01:05] <jbk> even after that[21:01:13] <jbk> like building device drivers[21:01:19] <e^ipi> yeah, fair enough[21:01:35] <jbk> some of the stuff like that is rather unintuitive IMO[21:01:40] <e^ipi> but that one's different. there's only a handful of people qualified to do it and they already know how to build[21:03:51] <jbk> gdamore: i'm going to do a full nightly w/ ss12.1 + ls fix applied, then just test the resulting binary (since there appear to be other unrelated bugs w/ ss12.1)[21:04:05] <jbk> will that be sufficient testing for the ls fix?[21:04:58] <Triskelios> I think we should tag good first bugs (these may or may not overlap with bite-sized bugs) for new contributors, and perhaps we can do rotations where someone volunteers to mentor new people[21:07:17] <jbk> hmm.. i wonder how quick the clobber target would run if it used ksh93 builtins :)[21:07:20] * jbk runs[21:07:59] <jbk> calling rm over and over and over and over[21:08:39] * alanc waits for 'make' & 'nightly' to become ksh93 builtins[21:08:49] * alanc runs further[21:08:52] <jbk> :)[21:09:40] <alanc> of course then you'd have the arguments over whether the builtin make should be compatible with Solaris, GNU, Schilly or dmake[21:09:50] <jkimball4> all of them![21:10:06] <jbk> heh true[21:10:14] <alanc> plus BSD for good measure[21:12:21] <jbk> well i've got to go pick up my car.. bbl[21:16:19] *** postwait has joined #illumos[21:16:31] *** jamesd2 has joined #illumos[21:27:36] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #illumos[21:28:36] *** jamesd__ has joined #illumos[21:28:52] *** Bleubeard has joined #illumos[21:30:21] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[21:32:06] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[21:33:42] *** jamesd2 has joined #illumos[21:36:09] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC[21:36:16] *** postwait has quit IRC[21:39:15] *** samuelyounge has joined #illumos[21:46:19] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #illumos[21:48:18] *** jamesd__ has joined #illumos[21:49:21] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[21:51:24] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[21:52:25] *** hnhn has quit IRC[22:03:12] *** hnhn has joined #illumos[22:07:38] *** mikw has quit IRC[22:10:48] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC[22:52:18] *** descipher has quit IRC[22:54:10] *** igork has quit IRC[22:55:48] *** kart_ has quit IRC[22:56:43] *** kart_ has joined #illumos[23:26:53] *** xmikus01 has quit IRC[23:28:47] *** stinger has joined #illumos[23:35:38] *** stinger has left #illumos[23:54:22] *** schily__ is now known as schily_[23:59:33] *** schily_ has quit IRC