November 16, 2010 
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November 16, 2010 [00:03:21] <nrubsig> gdamore: What is your personal's brain availability status ?[00:04:21] <nrubsig> 1) available, 2) metting_hibernation, 3) not available 4) family 5) ENOTIME 6) ENOCOFFEE 7) EGOAWAY 8) EGENERALGENERICERROR ?[00:05:20] *** Gervystar has quit IRC[00:08:52] <gdamore> 8[00:09:37] <gdamore> actually, EMONDAY[00:09:45] <gwr> EWILDKIDSNEARBY[00:10:46] <gwr> (the littlest loves to push power buttons. They usually have a nice bright light in or near them, just calling out "push me!" :)[00:10:50] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC[00:11:08] <nrubsig> gwr: can I let my daugher loose to play with your kids, please ?[00:11:11] *** ShadowHntr has joined #illumos[00:11:12] *** ShadowHntr has joined #illumos[00:11:20] <nrubsig> or with their heads, after she removed them[00:11:25] <joffe> oh yeah[00:11:37] <gwr> Sure, send her over. But she better be tough. I have three "rough and tumble" boys....[00:11:39] <joffe> give a two year old a laptop, the only fascinating part is the power button cos it glows[00:12:18] <nrubsig> joffe: my daugher wants the laptop for herself... to watch the "Sendung mit dem Elefanten"[00:12:28] <gwr> :)[00:12:44] <nrubsig> sort of a spin-off of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Sendung_mit_der_Maus[00:12:47] <nrubsig> oh wait[00:12:53] <nrubsig> and "Elmos's Song"[00:13:32] <nrubsig> gwr: how old are the boy ?[00:13:45] <gwr> 7, 5, 2.[00:14:15] <nrubsig> Ok, 7 is too old, the 5 year old will run away screaming and the 2 year old will be trampled and then used as couch[00:14:50] <nrubsig> We had that incident with 4y and 2y old boys[00:15:08] <nrubsig> Which convinced my wife that our daugher should go to the kindergarden soon...[00:15:17] <nrubsig> ... to learn a bit ladylike behaviour[00:17:30] *** postwait has quit IRC[00:17:57] *** lattera has quit IRC[00:18:16] <nrubsig> gdamore: ksh93-integration update3 update in progress, ETA 24h[00:18:23] *** xmikus01 has quit IRC[00:18:26] <nrubsig> one hour coding, 23h testing[00:18:44] <e^ipi> have you removed the .png's ?[00:18:53] <e^ipi> because if you haven't i'm going to bitch come code review time[00:19:21] <nrubsig> e^ipi: right now I'm in C aliasing hell[00:20:08] <nrubsig> e^ipi: either we swap, e.g. you take on the C aliasing issues and I do the PNG stuff... or please wait until tomorrow[00:20:22] <nrubsig> Sun Studio has again it's own idea how aliasing should work[00:20:23] <e^ipi> i don't mind waiting, just letting you know[00:20:42] <gwr> nrubsig: you would be surprised. I've seen the 2 yr old "whack" a 5 yr. old who dared try to pull a toy from his hands. The 5 yr. old ran off screaming "Mommmiieeeeee".[00:20:53] <gwr> He's used to dealing with his bigger brothers.[00:21:20] <gwr> Actually, we've had to work on "No, Colin, you must not hit your play mates, even if they're trying to take your toys...")[00:22:24] <nrubsig> we have exactly the same issue[00:22:28] <nrubsig> with DUPLO trains[00:22:44] <nrubsig> that's why we now have three of them[00:23:00] <nrubsig> blue, green and the rare old red/yellow version[00:23:27] <nrubsig> thisi is exactly one too much to carry around[00:24:00] <nrubsig> unfortunately it means that we've supplied her with sufficient lethal ammo in case of a big baby-rage[00:24:31] <gwr> Yeah. We've also had to get rid of toys heavy enough to break glass if thrown, after replacing an expensive window :/[00:24:39] *** drajen has joined #illumos[00:24:42] <nrubsig> good lord[00:24:43] <gwr> (animals!)[00:25:03] <gwr> The oldest has a "good arm" :)[00:25:08] <nrubsig> I jusr try to imagine what would happen if the trains would "disappear"[00:27:15] <nrubsig> we have an extended set of figures (see http://shop.bungarten.com/catalog/images/03009222.jpg) ... once my wife pretended to throw them away after Valeria used them as throwing object[00:28:17] <nrubsig> I was in the bathroom and thought Valeria had pulled the cooking noodles from the oven and showered her in that stuff... that bad was the screaming and wailling... to a point where she became first red and then blue in the face.[00:29:14] *** MatSimAway has joined #illumos[00:31:15] *** Aram has quit IRC[00:32:00] *** man_u has quit IRC[00:35:03] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #illumos[00:37:50] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC[00:40:55] *** man_u has joined #illumos[00:45:31] *** man_u has quit IRC[00:45:43] *** arek_deepinit has quit IRC[00:50:45] *** McBofh has quit IRC[00:51:21] *** gber has quit IRC[00:52:57] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC[00:53:48] *** McBofh has joined #illumos[00:54:59] *** ShadowHntr has joined #illumos[00:59:28] *** merzo has quit IRC[01:08:20] *** spked has joined #illumos[01:14:30] *** eliyahu has joined #illumos[01:33:35] *** spked has quit IRC[01:41:01] *** allanblack has quit IRC[01:43:03] *** allanblack has joined #illumos[01:51:03] *** eliyahu has quit IRC[01:51:25] *** grocheries has joined #illumos[01:54:36] *** grocheries has quit IRC[01:56:08] *** gebi has quit IRC[01:56:50] *** jelmd has joined #illumos[02:04:05] *** nacho has joined #illumos[02:13:02] *** datadigger has quit IRC[02:18:52] *** herzen has quit IRC[02:24:21] *** balrog has joined #illumos[02:24:22] *** datadigger has joined #illumos[02:41:00] *** maverickbna has joined #illumos[02:43:22] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC[02:53:47] *** ruse39 has quit IRC[02:55:05] *** ruse39 has joined #illumos[03:03:37] *** MindDrive has joined #illumos[03:07:55] *** MindDrive has quit IRC[03:11:03] *** ruse39 has quit IRC[03:13:06] *** MindDrive has joined #illumos[03:18:16] *** gdamore has quit IRC[03:20:58] *** W0rmDrink has quit IRC[03:20:59] *** MindDrive has quit IRC[03:22:08] *** MindDrive has joined #illumos[03:31:29] *** gdamore has joined #illumos[03:31:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o gdamore[03:35:44] *** digifor has joined #illumos[03:36:26] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[03:36:54] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #illumos[03:37:24] <digifor> Will illumos be able to integrate zfs-crypto from Oracle Solaris 11 Express 2010.11?[03:38:02] <LeftWing> Only if Oracle release the source and it's been suggested that this will only happen once Solaris 11 is released.[03:38:41] <LeftWing> But who knows.[03:38:54] <digifor> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/downloads/index.html[03:39:28] <sponix> yeah, the code cycle is basically in reverse now ;)[03:39:34] *** stallion has quit IRC[03:39:44] <digifor> LeftWing, I guess you mean the full version. Not express.[03:40:12] <LeftWing> Well, that's my understanding from what little (mis?)information has managed to escape the press vacuum of Oracle.[03:52:07] *** nacho has quit IRC[04:00:29] *** edude03 has joined #illumos[04:14:51] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #illumos[04:20:47] *** jelmd has quit IRC[04:20:51] *** jelmd has joined #illumos[04:21:13] <gdamore> Leftwing: as far as I know, nobody within Oracle has suggested that there will even be code at final release.[04:21:21] *** anilg has joined #illumos[04:21:43] <LeftWing> gdamore: Yeah, maybe not. I might be thinking about that leaked memo.[04:21:52] *** CVLTCMK0 has joined #illumos[04:21:56] <gdamore> I wonder if any of the files for which they've already received SCAs have changed since b147.[04:22:14] <gdamore> At one point, *I* suggested it... but that's a far cry from Oracle suggesting it.[04:24:07] <LeftWing> It's not like it really matters what they say even if they say anything.[04:24:16] <LeftWing> They'll just do whatever they want anyway.[04:24:20] <bdha> Mike Shapiro said it in the Halloween Day memo, didn't he?[04:24:28] <bdha> But impossible to say.[04:24:48] <LeftWing> Presumably the only way we'll ever see another line of code is if it will directly result in some profit for Oracle.[04:26:33] <gdamore> I'd make the same assumption.[04:27:01] <lewellyn> that or if a court orders it.[04:27:17] <gdamore> if there is a court that larry hasn't bought and paid for.[04:29:18] <alanc> "Halloween Day"? I think Shapiro was gone before that[04:29:20] <digifor> Sounds like Cambodian courts. They're the best that money can buy.[04:29:42] <bdha> alanc: Sorry, Friday the 13th.[04:29:45] <bdha> I was painting all day.[04:29:51] * bdha less some brain cells.[04:29:57] <gdamore> there was nothing in the Friday 13th memo that I recall.[04:31:24] <bdha> http://sstallion.blogspot.com/2010/08/opensolaris-is-dead.html # Source decisions.[04:31:28] <bdha> Yeah, that may not mean ON.[04:31:33] <bdha> I'd be sort of shocked if it did.[04:31:37] <bdha> I wonder if it means ZFS, at least.[04:43:11] <jkimball4> that oracle menu icon sure is ugly[04:43:54] <lewellyn> file a bug :D[04:45:01] <jkimball4> haha[04:48:38] *** sponix has quit IRC[04:49:20] *** sponix has joined #illumos[04:49:52] *** russiane39 has joined #illumos[04:59:36] *** postwait has joined #illumos[05:02:17] *** POloser has joined #illumos[05:06:12] *** sponix has quit IRC[05:12:28] *** sponix has joined #illumos[05:15:10] *** russiane39 has quit IRC[05:15:11] *** digifor has quit IRC[05:16:05] *** russiane39 has joined #illumos[05:19:01] <CIA-75> illumos: Garrett D'Amore <garrett at nexenta dot com> default * 13242:35f707bf8b40 illumos-gate/usr/src/ (56 files in 15 dirs): (log message trimmed)[05:19:02] <CIA-75> illumos: 420 remove patch (sparse package) support from svr4 pkg[05:19:02] <CIA-75> illumos: 421 libpkg and libadm need to be lint clean[05:19:02] <CIA-75> illumos: Reviewed by: gwr at nexenta dot com[05:19:02] <CIA-75> illumos: Reviewed by: peter.tribble at gmail dot com[05:19:02] <CIA-75> illumos: Approved by: gwr at nexenta dot com[05:19:03] <CIA-75> illumos: --[05:19:58] <lewellyn> hm[05:20:04] <lewellyn> ok. that's still not right.[05:20:21] <lewellyn> at least there's no patch this time.[05:26:35] *** ravenslay3r has joined #illumos[05:29:47] <gdamore> Its better anyway. :-)[05:32:11] <lewellyn> it's a start. i'll poke at it again in a bit.[05:32:23] <lewellyn> i can't adjust things till there's a commit, of course ;)[05:35:01] <jbk> gdamore: curse you for suggesting i use pkcs11 btw 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#illumos[10:00:07] *** Gervystar has joined #illumos[10:04:34] *** Tenzer|off is now known as Tenzer|work[10:16:44] *** lgtaube has joined #illumos[10:21:55] *** merzo has joined #illumos[10:23:42] *** dreh has quit IRC[10:26:14] *** dreh has joined #illumos[10:27:50] *** mikw has joined #illumos[10:29:27] *** Shoggoth has joined #illumos[10:39:25] *** Jondice has quit IRC[10:39:45] *** Jondice has joined #illumos[10:40:52] *** man_u has joined #illumos[10:50:19] *** CVLTCMK0 has quit IRC[10:53:00] *** gber has joined #illumos[11:05:07] *** Gervystar has quit IRC[11:05:33] *** hnhn has joined #illumos[11:07:58] <Aram> so it seems you can't install illumos over Oracle Solaris Express due to repo.extra not found.[11:09:58] <nettezzaumana> hmm who would even try that[11:11:17] <Aram> I try lots of things :-). and I like to see illumos build in any environment. SE is just another distro. I upgraded to it from OI.[11:12:18] <Aram> anyway, it works the other way around, you can use the SE packages to update OI + illumos.[11:14:44] *** gebi has joined #illumos[11:14:44] *** gebi has joined #illumos[11:21:24] <lewellyn> Aram: that's bound to be fixed sooner than later. SX 11 hasn't even been out a day yet ;)[11:36:15] *** held has quit IRC[11:37:38] <lewellyn> gdamore: when the next commit hits, i *think* cia will do "the right thing"[11:38:27] <lewellyn> gdamore: note that i only hg pull every 15 minutes, so commits may take that long before they show up.[11:47:48] <bdha> lewellyn: Why 15m?[11:48:07] * bdha pulls every 1m, pushes to gh/bb if changes.[11:50:27] <lewellyn> bdha: because: 1) the box is slow; 2) there aren't that many changes atm[11:50:48] <bdha> lewellyn: Which box is slow?[11:50:52] <lewellyn> also, it seems like ciahg may have performance issues[11:51:05] <lewellyn> the one i'm doing the cia stuff from[11:51:16] <bdha> I'm curious why github stopped sending its bot in here on push.[11:51:47] <bdha> lewellyn: Talk to Andre about running it on one of the everycity zones.[11:52:42] *** merzo has quit IRC[11:52:49] <lewellyn> i have faster boxes when the commit rate picks up[11:52:57] *** merzo has joined #illumos[11:53:15] <lewellyn> atm, the commits aren't often enough to justify pulling more often[11:53:46] <bdha> shrug[11:53:49] <lewellyn> and i need to see if ciahg can keep up with pulls more often when things pick up[11:54:01] <lewellyn> cia itself seems to respond slowly sometomes[11:54:09] <bdha> Rewrite it in tcsh.[11:55:22] *** DocPheniX has joined #illumos[11:55:31] <lewellyn> you can do it and send them the patchset ;)[12:00:13] *** pablomh has joined #illumos[12:00:37] *** held has joined #illumos[12:02:33] *** Gervystar has joined #illumos[12:08:08] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[12:08:14] *** kart_ has quit IRC[12:09:56] *** xmikus01 has joined #illumos[12:14:40] *** nettezzaumana is now known as naOdpis[12:23:39] *** merzo has quit IRC[12:26:12] *** kart_ has joined #illumos[12:37:05] *** xmikus01 has quit IRC[12:43:26] *** kart_ has quit IRC[12:46:54] <Aram> lewellyn: actually I was wrong. You *CAN* onu SX11, but only 4 packages install rendering the procedure almost useless.[12:47:40] <Aram> I think it has to do with the fact Oracle renamed SUNW* packages?[12:48:20] <Aram> SUNWcsl gets "installed" but it doesn't actually do anything. it's renamed consolidation/osnet/osnet-incorporation.[12:50:41] <Aram> yes, the ilumos version is 5.11-0.148 and the oracle one is 5.11-0.151.0.1, therefore pkg doesn't want to replace it.[12:50:55] *** kart_ has joined #illumos[12:51:46] <Aram> if we bump the version number it should install over the oracle distro.[12:52:04] <lewellyn> yeah, i still think that numbering needs to be revisited, personally. but i'm 1/4 awake and can'tbe very coherent[12:53:22] *** hsp has quit IRC[13:21:38] *** heldchen has joined #illumos[13:25:02] *** held has quit IRC[13:26:13] *** POloser has left #illumos[13:35:38] *** gber_ has joined #illumos[13:38:22] *** POloser has joined #illumos[13:39:03] *** gber has quit IRC[13:40:31] *** McBofh has quit 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process: prstat VSIZE: 1092M, RSS: 85M... pmap shows a total of 98M[16:28:52] <postwait> Can someone give me a hint as to what prstat is counting in VSIZE that I'm missing?[16:31:54] *** stallion has joined #illumos[16:32:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stallion[16:36:01] *** edude03 has joined #illumos[16:44:15] *** xffea has joined #illumos[16:44:48] *** dajhorn has joined #illumos[16:49:51] *** trbs has joined #illumos[16:58:44] *** Cobi has quit IRC[17:02:46] *** gdamore has joined #illumos[17:02:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o gdamore[17:02:57] *** lgtaube has quit IRC[17:03:52] *** Cobi has joined #illumos[17:04:09] *** RoyK has quit IRC[17:05:38] *** anilg has joined #illumos[17:06:30] *** hajma has quit IRC[17:10:22] *** hajma has joined #illumos[17:16:06] *** edude03_ has joined #illumos[17:17:48] *** hnhn has quit IRC[17:17:53] *** dnm has joined #illumos[17:18:06] *** edude03 has quit IRC[17:25:03] *** xffea has left #illumos[17:25:26] *** postwait has quit IRC[17:25:45] *** 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hi[18:44:06] <AmoKito> i would like to ask some (stupid) questions about the illumos and other stuff, why is there so mutch different distributions that are based on illumos , isn't fragmentation and too mutch diversity a little unproductive ?[18:44:47] <Aram> to my awareness I don't think there is any distribution that is based on illumos. OPenIndiana will be, but not yet.[18:44:57] *** Gervystar has quit IRC[18:44:58] <AmoKito> excuse my english[18:45:13] <joffe> so what do you suggest they do[18:45:28] <bdha> SchillX is illumos-based.[18:45:32] <joffe> establish an Operating System Enforcement Squad and bust down the doors of the people they don't like?[18:46:06] <Aram> bdha: except for our od(1) :-).[18:46:09] <joffe> people will make new systems based on illumos or whatever else if and when they feel like it, it provides people with different options in case you get a CentOS situation, and it lets communities specialize[18:46:29] <bdha> Aram: >_>[18:46:36] <AmoKito> but splitting the effort and coding power will result in double make the same thing (reinventing the wheel) will it not ?[18:47:27] <Aram> it is inevitable. people want to do different things or same things differently or have a different agenda.[18:47:29] <joffe> well what i said at first[18:47:34] <joffe> what do you suggest be done then?[18:48:03] <joffe> do you want to 'force' people to contribute to a single project, like some kind petty pseudo-communist scheme? and if so, how on earth would you do that?[18:48:08] <joffe> some kind of*[18:49:36] <AmoKito> well they could agree to cooperate or unite if their project seems to be the same[18:49:55] *** kart_ has quit IRC[18:51:03] <Aram> I really don't understand your concern. We have few distributions, Linux has thousands. In that respect, we are much better then them.[18:51:03] *** kart_ has joined #illumos[18:51:51] <e^ipi> AmoKito: some people want to make distributions, some people want to write kernel code[18:51:54] <AmoKito> arma yes but the path seem to start again the same (as by linux)[18:51:54] <e^ipi> generally not the same people[18:52:11] <e^ipi> so if everyone that wants to do distro stuff does it, no loss to the people that don't[18:52:14] *** epapi has joined #illumos[18:52:22] <AmoKito> 3~4 distros for the same thing , just to only few people can yell out "WE ARE THE FIRST .."[18:53:29] <e^ipi> AmoKito: people who value their ego over making shit that works aren't going to be helpful on other people's ego-stroking project either[18:54:23] *** alfism has joined #illumos[18:55:06] <bdha> AmoKito: Are you offering to contribute, or just criticizing?[18:55:33] <AmoKito> just asking :)[18:56:53] *** spked has quit IRC[18:57:55] *** carlomagno has joined #illumos[19:01:50] <AmoKito> as long as i know , there is OpenIndiana , Schilix , BeleniX, nexenta OS , all based on Illumos , isn't there a way to unite them , they are based on your effort , so you could be the one who unite them[19:02:14] <e^ipi> which "you" ?[19:02:36] <richlowe> e^ipi: based on the goal, one of infinite size, apparently.[19:02:53] *** hajma_ has quit IRC[19:03:10] <lattera> isn't basing them all on the same codebase a form of unification?[19:03:21] <bdha> Yes.[19:03:26] <bdha> Seems to work okay for the Linux kernel.[19:03:27] <AmoKito> the Illumos foundation ? or who are working on this project[19:03:37] <joffe> AmoKito i believe the developers behind the illumos project have better things to do than herding the proverbial distribution cats[19:03:48] <AmoKito> :([19:04:04] <bdha> I guess you did say you were going to ask stupid questions.[19:04:08] <bdha> So kudos there at least.[19:04:09] <AmoKito> and the user stays confused[19:04:14] <joffe> this seems to be everyone's reaction when faced with non-centralized software projects[19:04:17] <e^ipi> personally I don't care about distributions in the slightest. if a kernel boots and I can get a shell, i'm done[19:04:22] <joffe> HOW CAN WE UNIFY, HOW CAN WE CENTRALIZE[19:04:43] <bdha> e^ipi: Don't you run OS X desktops? ;)[19:04:44] *** spked has joined #illumos[19:04:46] <e^ipi> if people want to stick that on a CD and add a bunch of stuff, i don't care if one guy does it or hundreds[19:04:47] <joffe> you should spend more time listening and reading instead of asking the questions everyone else has already asked - maybe you'll realize it's not the wrong way, just a different way[19:04:53] <richlowe> unification is just a plain ol' bad idea[19:04:55] <richlowe> we all hate eachother.[19:04:59] <bdha> Indeed.[19:05:06] <e^ipi> richlowe: i like you :([19:05:08] <bdha> Rich smells like dog butt.[19:05:16] <bdha> e^ipi: Rich told me you smell like dog butt.[19:05:38] <estibi> hehe[19:09:43] <AmoKito> well if in the future will be some distro more famous then for example other and they start to make changes to the system (may be to the kernel) to their liking , but the changes wouldn't be good for the main creator or would't fit for the creators goal , isn't it the beginning of end ?[19:10:13] <bdha> Are you a Debian expat or something?[19:10:50] <e^ipi> AmoKito: end of what? it's evolution[19:10:53] <AmoKito> no ? :) i like windows ^_^[19:10:55] *** kart_ has quit IRC[19:11:04] <e^ipi> if the "main tree" ends up changing hands, so be it[19:11:07] <AmoKito> well end of one project[19:11:16] <e^ipi> so what?[19:11:32] *** kart_ has joined #illumos[19:11:38] *** HyperJohnGraham has quit IRC[19:11:45] <AmoKito> so the people would be really confused , coders splited[19:12:02] <e^ipi> which people would be confused?[19:12:10] *** epapi has quit IRC[19:12:11] <AmoKito> may be users ? :)[19:12:55] *** heldchen has quit IRC[19:13:15] <e^ipi> i'm going to reiterate that if you aren't writing code or paying people to write code, then your opinion is informative but ultimately doesn't matter[19:13:35] <AmoKito> i understand that many people like many things , and some ideas may be great in the future or change the whole thing or path , but what about too mutch changing or uncontroled changing ?[19:14:00] <AmoKito> e^ipi i think ... yes :)[19:14:06] <Meths> Users aren't confused with linux, they just pick a distro and see if they like it. Each distro modifies the kernel according to their own agenda. Life goes on.[19:14:46] <Meths> Same for DEs and packaging systems.[19:15:31] <AmoKito> then user end up of changing distros for 10 times , and the last thing what he does is abandon linux for good[19:16:04] <e^ipi> i don't think that's very common[19:16:07] <Meths> If they abandon linux after trying 10 distros the problem really wasn't linux :P[19:16:07] <lattera> you also gotta take into account who you're targeting... people who are looking into an IllumOS-based distro already know a bit about technology[19:16:17] <e^ipi> people pick one (these days it's ubuntu) and stick with it for years & years[19:16:34] <AmoKito> coz none of the distro is somehow different and the user what he was looking for at the begening didn't found enywhere[19:16:55] <lattera> those who are more inclined to look at an IllumOS distro are going to know the differences between distros and know what to choose[19:16:59] <lattera> they won't be easily confused[19:17:05] <e^ipi> AmoKito: then it *is* the core technologies' fault if nobody can leverage it to get what the user wants[19:19:43] *** Tenzer|work is now known as Tenzer|off[19:25:51] <joffe> frankly i think my first suggestion of close mouth, open ears and eyes is better[19:30:55] *** seanmcg has joined #illumos[19:32:13] *** wizeman has quit IRC[19:34:25] *** wizeman has joined #illumos[19:35:25] *** RoyK has quit IRC[19:37:39] <AmoKito> ok, so excuse my stupid questions, thank you for your answers , and good luck with this project in the future[19:37:41] <AmoKito> bye[19:37:55] <AmoKito> p.s. again excuse my english[19:37:58] *** AmoKito has left #illumos[19:38:01] <joffe> .[19:38:38] <nahamu> where would I look in the source tree for the nfs4 ACL chmod code?[19:39:13] <nahamu> I don't think I see it in usr/src/cmd/chmod[19:39:20] <nahamu> but maybe I just suck at reading C[19:40:21] *** dajhorn has quit IRC[19:40:27] <nahamu> erm, maybe it is there after all[19:40:51] <nahamu> or not[19:49:16] *** wizeman has quit IRC[19:50:37] 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demon[23:14:39] *** trbs has quit IRC[23:14:53] <nrubsig> aaaaaagnakgnakgnakgnakgnakAaaaaaagnakgnakgnakgnakgnakgnakAaaaaaaagnakgnakgnakgnakgnakAAAAAaaaaagnakgnakgnakgnak*PLOP*[23:15:13] <jkimball4> dude! that's the wrong demon![23:15:21] *** edp_work has joined #illumos[23:16:11] <nrubsig> jkimball4: right[23:16:39] <nrubsig> I banish you, I banish you, son of h*ll, I bashish you, I ba*PLOP*[23:18:46] *** pjfloyd has quit IRC[23:22:58] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o lewellyn[23:23:14] *** nrubsig has left #illumos[23:23:22] <lewellyn> oops[23:23:24] <lewellyn> forgot the :[23:23:33] <lewellyn> i need to alias that[23:23:37] * lewellyn shrugs[23:23:57] <lblume> lewellyn: I'm back just in time to watch your display of power![23:24:08] <lewellyn> thank chanserv[23:24:58] <lblume> but time for sleep anyway.[23:25:36] <lewellyn> never[23:26:11] <lblume> you should send me some of the plants you eat/drink/smoke.[23:26:27] <lblume> Looks good to improve efficiency[23:27:38] *** nrubsig has joined 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