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[00:33:56] <nrubsig> Mhhhh
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[00:34:12] <gisburnTheMad> OK
[00:34:17] <gisburnTheMad> Lets try...
[00:34:24] <gisburnTheMad> I DEMAND... OR ELSE.
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[00:36:21] <gisburnTheMad> bummer
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[00:36:24] <gisburnTheMad> noone cares
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[00:36:49] <gisburn> gdamore: ping!
[00:36:51] <LeftWing> What do you demand, sir?
[00:36:56] <gisburn> oh
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[00:37:20] <gisburnTheMad> LeftWing: cookies!! chokolad!! gdamore!!
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[00:37:45] <gisburn> Somehow your daugher more and more mutates to a dictator.
[00:38:02] <gisburn> That's how she woke us today: "I demand or else."
[00:38:36] <gisburn> neither she explained her wishes or the else part but somehow we got up at 6:40h AM
[00:38:55] <gisburn> Now... if she can get away with that...
[00:38:57] <gisburn> :-)
[00:40:55] * gisburn realises that gdamore is not available via Skype or elsewhere.
[00:41:20] <gisburn> Just for the log: I am preparing the next ksh93-integration update
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[00:50:45] <gisburn> LOvely channel... so buzzing with... life.
[00:51:30] <jkimball4> gisburn: you could probably take your daughter
[00:51:41] <jkimball4> if she keeps it up, just remind her that you could easily punch her in the face :[
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[00:51:44] <jkimball4> :p *
[00:51:46] <gisburn> At leas what's left of "life" after the AntiMonitor and the Black Laterns made a visist here.
[00:52:19] <gisburn> jkimball4: do you have kids ?
[00:52:53] <jkimball4> not at this time :)  i'm just thinking of how Louis C.K. might approach the situation
[00:53:13] <gisburn> jkimball4: Who is Louis C.K ?
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[00:53:53] <jkimball4> comedian/actor
[00:54:00] <nrubsig> grumpf
[00:54:09] <nrubsig> a moment I thought you're serious.
[00:54:31] <nrubsig> The problem with verbal threads is that kids in this age may quickly test this on someone else.
[00:55:10] <jkimball4> it's fun to listen to Louis C.K. talk about his daughter.. certainly something you'll be able to identify with :)
[00:55:30] <nrubsig> Imagine a two year old, showing up in front of you, making a threatening pose, and then say "I can easyly punch you into your face"
[00:55:31] <jkimball4> he's got a tv show called "Louis"
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[01:03:06] <nrubsig> gdamore: ping!
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[01:27:10] <nachox> nrubsig, you lack a kernel for your ksh the same way RMS lacked a kernel for his emacs? :P
[01:28:07] <nrubsig> grumpf
[01:28:13] <nrubsig> nachox: you're so... funny.
[01:28:37] <nrubsig> nachox: The point is to make the shell as efficient as possible.
[01:28:43] <nachox> sorry, noone else had the guts to make that joke
[01:29:13] <nrubsig> nachox: if I turn-off all the little tweaks I make B129 needs nine seconds more to boot.
[01:29:51] <nachox> that is about as long as ubuntu needs for a full boot
[01:31:27] <e^ipi> maybe we just need a more efficient shell that doesn't try to include everything and the kitchen sink
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[01:32:33] <nachox> as long as the tweaks dont cause other issues, i'm fine with them
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[01:50:02] <nrubsig> nachox: depends, the machine is a 1.2GHz laptop
[01:50:23] <nrubsig> e^ipi: please nominate one.
[01:50:47] <e^ipi> bourne worked, it was just unpleasant to use as an interactive shell
[01:51:17] <nrubsig> e^ipi: that would regress boot time. we've been there already.
[01:51:36] <nrubsig> e^ipi: the part I turned off were the non-special builtins
[01:51:57] <nrubsig> and it gets worse when I turn-off command substitution and subshell optimisations
[01:52:14] <nrubsig> basically were then more or less at the performance level of "dash"
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[01:55:19] <nrubsig> and "dash" doesn't even get the multibyte stuff right
[01:55:27] <nrubsig> (and some other things, too)
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[01:57:53] <nrubsig> e^ipi: and the original bourne shell was the source of ongoing complains, starting with the lack of x=$(...) and x=$(()), multibyte character handling issues, lack of performance and the issue with interactive mode being a problem
[01:59:45] <e^ipi> i dunno, the interactive shell just seems like something that distributions ought to deliver, not the core system
[01:59:48] <nrubsig> e^ipi: and Sun had internally issues with adding changes to Bourne shell. April Chin had a patch to add x=$(...) and x=$(()) but both were rejected due to the fear of possible risks
[02:00:30] <nrubsig> e^ipi: well, OS/Net was once intermingled with the distribution part
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[02:00:38] <e^ipi> nrubsig: and now it isn't
[02:00:45] <nachox> i used to think the same way but the shell is used in so many places its not even funy
[02:01:22] <nrubsig> e^ipi: but even in those days noone stood up and made any changes for improving the default configuation for interactive users
[02:01:24] <e^ipi> *a* shell, sure... but interactively is a different story
[02:01:42] <e^ipi> for that people can pick bash, ksh, zsh, whatever they like
[02:01:48] <e^ipi> and the distributions can deliver them
[02:01:53] <nrubsig> e^ipi: PSARC/2006/587 was a pure bloodbath
[02:02:07] <nrubsig> just for PS1 and minor other twears
[02:02:10] <e^ipi> nrubsig: what happened at sun is irrelevant. we get a fresh start
[02:02:15] <nachox> nrubsig, question, have you tried skipping isaexec and running the shell directly during boot?
[02:02:25] <e^ipi> unburdened by ARC
[02:02:47] <nrubsig> nachox: that has no effect for /usr/bin/sh and for /usr/bin/ksh93 the overhead is minmum
[02:03:11] <nachox> why does it not have an effect with sh?
[02:03:27] <nrubsig> nachox: because /usr/bin/sh was kept at 32bit level
[02:04:00] <nrubsig> nachox: technically the original issue was with runaway shells which can eat the whole system instead of "only" 4GB.
[02:04:14] <nrubsig> nachox: that issue has been fixed long ago but it may still be usefull
[02:05:05] <nrubsig> nachox: if we drop 32bit kernel support on x86 then we should just switch to a 64bit shell at that point
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[02:05:48] <nachox> yeah... i dont see that happening anytime soon though
[02:06:28] <nrubsig> nachox: erm... for x86 and Illumos this may change soon
[02:06:47] <nrubsig> ARM may be the only port with 32bit support then
[02:07:15] <Meths> illumos isn't planning on dropping 32bit support.  Oracle is though.
[02:07:41] <e^ipi> that's a good thing (about oracle dropping 32 bit)
[02:07:48] <nrubsig> e^ipi: for now I'd like to keep the /etc/ksh.kshrc stuff in OS/Net to have a sane default
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[02:08:15] <nachox> well, they are selling 64bit systems only...
[02:08:31] <e^ipi> nachox: and anything that you might actually want to run solaris on can be 64 bit
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[02:11:16] <nachox> nrubsig, we're still using what the guys at sun did as the arm port?
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[02:17:24] <nrubsig> nachox: basically that is the only stuff available
[02:17:49] <nrubsig> nachox: I'd like to talk to a few people and see if we can unlock some stuff in this area
[02:18:05] <nachox> unlock in what way?
[02:18:11] <nrubsig> nachox: erm
[02:18:21] <nrubsig> nachox: right now I'm not allowed to say anything
[02:18:40] <nachox> port the things garrett rewrote to the arm platform and replace whatever sun had still closed there?
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[02:19:09] <nrubsig> nachox: p l e a s e d o n o t a s k
[02:19:17] <nrubsig> (for now)
[02:19:20] <nachox> hahah
[02:19:28] <nachox> you've got it
[02:19:40] <nrubsig> please ask in a month
[02:20:20] <nrubsig> e^ipi: BTW: I agree with you that ksh93 needs to be slimmed down
[02:20:48] <nrubsig> e^ipi: libshell needs some restructuring to make the code smaller and faster
[02:21:14] <nrubsig> e^ipi: and libast could be much smaller if libc wouldn't be that crappy in terms of standard conformance and features
[02:21:43] <nrubsig> e^ipi: we might get there with Illumos
[02:22:08] <nrubsig> easily actually since some changes for POSIX.2008 will solve some major issues in this direction
[02:22:53] <e^ipi> there's absolutely no reason why there should be .png image files in O/N
[02:22:58] <e^ipi> and yet, ksh93 delivers them
[02:23:14] <nachox> err, why does ksh93 need a png image?
[02:23:42] <e^ipi> nachox: that's a good question
[02:23:46] <edude03> How's illumos guys?
[02:23:48] <e^ipi> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/lib/libshell/misc/images/
[02:23:51] <nrubsig> e^ipi: that was for the style guide, for illumos we move this stuff elsehwere
[02:23:58] <e^ipi> nrubsig: remove it
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[02:24:02] <edude03> Any radical departures from solaris yet :P
[02:24:34] <nrubsig> e^ipi: for now we have no other place to host it... but I'm going to talk with gdamore and others at Oracle about this
[02:24:34] <jbk> heh i have to half wonder if the reason oracle wants to drop 32bit is because mixed 32/64 enviornments tend to be very problematic on linux
[02:24:42] <e^ipi> nrubsig: you don't need to host it
[02:24:44] <e^ipi> it can go away
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[02:25:00] <jbk> and ever since they made the 'switch', they can no longer get their products to actually work in mixed environments
[02:25:15] <jbk> OUI is _horribly_ broken in that respect
[02:25:24] <Triskelios> jbk: no, it's only the 32-bit kernel that's being dropped
[02:25:25] <jbk> to the point you NEVER want to put me in the room with the developers of that
[02:25:43] <jbk> because there _WILL_ be blood shed and bones broken
[02:25:50] <nachox> jbk, if you erase the 32 bit part, you cut the required testing to 1/3
[02:25:52] <nrubsig> jbk: OUI ?
[02:25:59] <jbk> oracle universal installer
[02:26:06] <nrubsig> *vomit*
[02:26:10] <nachox> hahaha
[02:26:11] <jbk> literally the single worse piece of software i have ever seen
[02:26:13] <nrubsig> sorry
[02:26:16] <jbk> err worst
[02:26:22] <jbk> and let me tell you
[02:26:28] <jbk> that's quite the accomplishment
[02:26:29] <nachox> jbk, there is SMC
[02:26:33] <jbk> no
[02:26:36] <jbk> OUI is worse
[02:26:44] <jbk> SMC is just horribly slow
[02:27:00] <jbk> you could take a vm enviornment snapshot it
[02:27:02] <jbk> run OUI
[02:27:03] <jbk> roll back
[02:27:09] <jbk> and run it 100 different times
[02:27:12] <jbk> with the exact same settings
[02:27:18] <jbk> and see 100 different behaviors
[02:27:33] <jbk> to call it shit would be an insult to fecal matter everywhere
[02:28:49] <jbk> the quality of their software (and that is just one example) has really gone down in the past 10 years
[02:29:12] <nrubsig> jbk: Oracle the database ?
[02:29:24] <jbk> yes
[02:30:15] <nrubsig> jbk: well, given how they were thrown out of the E-Heathcard project  hre in Germany it's no wonder
[02:30:33] <jbk> i'm not surprised
[02:30:45] <nrubsig> they failed to deliver a "simple" fix for Unicode real names in **TWO** years.
[02:30:57] <jbk> they're about to be thrown out of a place my friend works
[02:31:04] <jbk> (not just their db, but everything sun/oracle)
[02:31:20] <jbk> because of their inability to ship a number of servers just sitting on a dock somewhere
[02:31:26] <jbk> for the past 2 months or so
[02:31:34] <nrubsig> heh
[02:31:56] <jbk> apparently someone screwed up some of their systems in the acquisition
[02:32:18] <nrubsig> meh#
[02:32:26] <jbk> well another local guy i talked to said he hasn't done any sun installs in over a year
[02:32:29] <nachox> jbk, if you reached a pont where managers with no knowledge buy your products just because they are a safe bet, then you stop caring about software quality for a few years and start thinking about how you can play with licence price :)
[02:32:52] <jbk> heh yeah
[02:33:13] <nrubsig> jbk: you're not alone with that. They promied and failed to deliver 56 T2+ machines to the 2nd NATO logistics group since July.
[02:33:33] <jbk> except they're doing the same thing microsoft is doing -- they created large barriers to exit, but if you push people too far, they'll hurdle those barriers and leave
[02:33:50] <nachox> all the new unix deployments i'm seeing are actually AIX deployments
[02:33:53] <nrubsig> jbk: they started to be more responsible the day when they got a) press coverage and b) the "bill" from the German defense minitry
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[02:36:44] <nrubsig> grumpf
[02:37:04] <nrubsig> we finally end-up with thread-local shell variables, thanks to .sh.match
[02:37:16] <nrubsig> the day I feared is... there.
[02:37:36] <jbk> that's unfortuate it's aix
[02:38:05] <nachox> jbk, why? its a fine os, aix 5.3 was dreadful but aix 6.1 is cool
[02:45:20] <jbk> well aside from it being as much a unix as windows is with it's posix subsystem, i just find IBM's current upper management to be some of the most unethical and dirty in the business
[02:51:14] <nrubsig> Offtopic: Has anyone manged to get NFSv4 delegations working on Solaris ?
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[02:52:04] <nachox> i work in a consultant firm, i have no choise in what our customers invest their money most of the time. i'll have to agree with you on the fact that it not the most unix like system out there
[02:57:24] <gwr_> jbk: any more you can say about what experiences with IBM led to your low opinion of their sr. mgmt?
[02:58:44] <jbk> just saw some deals that made my skin crawl
[02:59:20] <gwr_> maybe i should be thankful.  almost took a job there...
[02:59:51] <jbk> then there was the guy that was responsible for a big chunk of their offshoring
[03:00:23] <jbk> that went and leaked confidential information given to them from sun when ponytail was shopping it around..
[03:01:10] <jbk> gwr_: would have just been a matter of time before you were offshored if you went there :)
[03:03:18] <jbk> but right now, upper mgmt is doing everything it can to pump up their stock price since they're all getting to retirement age.. it's somewhat obvious they want to cash out before it dives
[03:04:28] <gwr_> So, you give big blue a "sell" rating:)
[03:07:39] <jbk> well as they say, timing is everything :)
[03:07:51] <jbk> it's gonna come down, just couldn't tell you when
[03:09:05] <jbk> though looks like cisco has started..
[03:09:59] <jbk> (I am also skeptical of companies that provide their own financing to customers.. i just don't see executives having enough restraint to not have it turn out badly)
[03:13:06] <nachox> turn out badly in what way?
[03:13:32] <nachox> it was a very successful move by ibm if you ask me but... when you say ibm i think ... old!
[03:14:40] <jbk> because, the temptation is too great to approve financing that shouldn't be (i.e. extend credit or excessive credit to companies than they can realistically happen) to make the deal happen
[03:14:57] <jbk> when it's a 3rd party, there's a separate interesting in making sure they get paid back
[03:15:02] <jbk> when you do it yourself
[03:15:06] <jbk> if they end up not paying
[03:15:09] <jbk> that's off in the future
[03:15:17] <jbk> in the meantime, you met your quarter's numbers
[03:15:21] <jbk> so you get your bonus
[03:15:24] <jbk> so you don't care
[03:15:52] <jbk> old ibm is nothing like ibm in it's current form
[03:16:12] <gwr_> Ah, yet another conflict of interest problem.  One of my favorite pet peeves about some of our business environment.
[03:16:15] <jbk> if watson was still alive, he'd probably fire the whole crop of management
[03:16:38] <jbk> but cisco started doing that (doing it's own financing)
[03:17:04] <jbk> it's what brought lucent down
[03:17:39] <gwr_> Sure wish there were rules to make execs acountalbe longer term for their decisions.
[03:17:51] <jbk> but again, there's a saying that the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent..
[03:17:52] <gwr_> (don't mind my spelling:)
[03:18:09] <jbk> it would be nice
[03:18:17] <jbk> amusingly
[03:18:30] <jbk> executive compensation tends to be inversely correlated to company performance
[03:18:46] <gwr_> So much bad comes from "that will be someone else's problem long after i'm gone."
[03:19:11] <nrubsig> heh
[03:19:27] <nrubsig> so efficient management ----> low payment ?
[03:19:40] <nrubsig> bloated management ---> high payment ?
[03:20:15] <jbk> yeah, basically on average (there will always be exceptions), the more an executive is paid, the worst the company does
[03:20:49] <nrubsig> jbk: erm... with this rule we better pay 1./Inf. to the executive management
[03:21:06] <nrubsig> The company would take over the world.
[03:21:43] * nrubsig curses German TV: Children movie (Harry Potter) with Sex ads in the breaks
[03:22:04] <gwr_> I think accountability fixes most overpayment problems.  if they're really performing fine.  if not, you can probably do better hiring someone else:)
[03:22:05] <nrubsig> of course, it's 3:20h AM
[03:23:03] <gwr_> It's just really hard to objectively measure performance of mgmt. personel.
[03:23:56] <gwr_> and that's why at the higher levels it tends to get political.
[03:24:10] <gwr_> (rather than really based on performance)
[03:24:28] <nrubsig> gwr_: yeah
[03:25:32] <gwr_> I'm really happy to be at a small company now.  Not so much room for that kind of problems (yet:)
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[03:26:21] * nrubsig wants payed for a "long-term, multi-level, strateticically-oriented, risk-reduced, target-oriented growth program to improve our stockholders faith in our mid-level product line of the future"
[03:27:12] <nrubsig> can anyone provide better gibberish for stockholders ?
[03:28:41] <nrubsig> must be attractive gibberish with enougth loopholes to escape trial if the company goes down
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[05:02:26] <jbk> uugh
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[05:02:39] <jbk> ok. enough fighting with pkcs11 for tonight..
[05:02:45] <jbk> otherwise i'm never going to get to sleep
[05:03:10] <jbk> i should just switch to openssl
[05:03:18] <jbk> and save myself pages of useless typing
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[08:52:48] <madwizard> Coffee
[08:53:51] <jkimball4> what's that? :p
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[08:59:52] <madwizard> I don't know, I just feel compelled to shout it loud from time to time
[08:59:53] <madwizard> :)
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[09:06:00] <samuelyounge> madwizard: It is funny, I am in Hawaii timezone and about the time you say coffee each day, it singles my bed time.
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[09:09:35] <madwizard> Khehehe
[09:09:41] <madwizard> I'm in Polish time zone :)
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[09:16:11] <lblume> time for hot chocolate?
[09:16:18] <madwizard> lblume: Wha?
[09:16:23] <madwizard> Coffee, all the way
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[11:29:23] <madwizard> Coffee
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[11:31:29] <lblume> madwizard: Keep one for me after lunch if you please.
[11:31:40] <madwizard> 'k
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[11:31:57] <madwizard> lblume: Will you come to Szczecin November next year?
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[11:33:10] <lblume> Will you keep my coffee until then if I do?
[11:33:28] <madwizard> Yup
[11:37:41] <lblume> Then I might
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[19:53:13] <nahamu> do we know yet if there's been a corresponding code drop alongside Solaris 11 Express binaries?
[19:54:41] <alanc> onnv source for S11Ex has not yet been released - it's out there for a bunch of the other consolidations, but those are outside illumos's scope
[19:55:37] <nahamu> do you think there will be anything interesting in the S11Ex onnv source?
[19:55:50] <e^ipi> nahamu: there will, but i doubt we'll ever see it
[19:55:56] <e^ipi> best to ignore that it exists
[19:57:03] <alanc> some people might find darrenm's recent work interesting: http://blogs.sun.com/darren/
[19:57:23] <joffe> haha
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[20:02:06] <igork> hello all, could you please help me find details abour MOG files
[20:02:25] <igork> they are result of compiling manifest
[20:03:52] <alanc> they are actually manifests
[20:04:17] <igork> yes, but manifest have extensions .mf
[20:04:27] <alanc> after macro-processing on the .mf files in the gate (which are manifests with mogrify markup include)
[20:04:36] <igork> .mod - it is result of compiling
[20:04:48] <igork> .mog
[20:04:52] <alanc> you can put any extension on the end you want - it's still just a text file with a list of actions
[20:05:09] <igork> i know
[20:05:16] <alanc> open one in a text editor, it's just a manifest
[20:05:31] <igork> I  have to understand how to convert modules to DEB
[20:06:06] <alanc> sounds like a horrible job
[20:06:27] <igork> I think we have problems with converting
[20:06:58] <igork> because not implemented some changes from manifest
[20:07:17] <igork> I want to find details about manifest for learning
[20:07:39] <igork> and correct current converter
[20:08:02] <igork> README.pkg have vero low nfo
[20:08:21] <igork> very low information
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[20:15:54] <alanc> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/pkg/gate/doc/ has more information - the ON README doesn't document IPS itself, just the ON-specific information
[20:17:58] <Triskelios> I've seen documentation for pkgmogrify
[20:18:53] <alanc> there's a man page for it
[20:19:17] <alanc> it's a text-processor/macro-substitution language, nothing too complex
[20:19:39] <Triskelios> yeah
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[21:11:28] <igork> where can I find details for tags in manifest ?
[21:12:22] <igork> for example: what is it file NOHASH ?
[21:12:35] <igork> how to convert it to DEB ?
[21:12:40] <igork> package
[21:13:19] <igork> wgat is it : preserve=renamenew ? preserve=true ?
[21:14:01] <igork> wgat is it : variant.opensolaris.zone=global ?
[21:14:20] <igork> variant.opensolaris.zone=nonglobal
[21:14:38] <Triskelios> igork: man pkgsend, pkgmogrify, and read the pkg doc files
[21:14:45] <igork> where can I find info ?
[21:14:53] <igork> ok
[21:15:26] <Triskelios> igork: pkg-gate has a "doc" subdir
[21:15:36] <igork> ok, thanks
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[21:41:26] <MatSim> Hi, may I ask something about drivers in illumos - qlt for example on irc?
[21:43:57] <bdha> Ask away, if anyone knows they will answer.
[21:44:17] <bdha> Maybe not immediately. Lots of idling.
[21:45:00] <MatSim> qlt is currently supporting 2400 and 2500 series - would be a lot of work to get 2300 working?
[21:45:49] <MatSim> I'm not that much into c but driver looks quite modular besides 2400.c and 2500.c which seem to contain fw binary...
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[22:04:16] <MatSim> Maybe I should ask before if network and storage foundation (nws) is part of illumos foundation?
[22:15:12] <alanc> I thought the nws software folded into ON years ago (snv_90-something)
[22:18:00] <MatSim> You are right, I realized later. Do you know whether the firmware is a special one for qlt and qlc or are they the same?
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[22:27:03] <alanc> I don't even know what qlt & qlc are, sorry
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[22:30:08] <MatSim> qlt is the comstar target mode driver for qlogic HBAs while qlc is the normal initiator mode one.
[22:32:41] <MatSim> I'm trying to find out whether same /similar versions in older releases were same but firmware file header in qlc and qlt folder both say Initiator/Target Firmware
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[22:41:26] <MatSim> Unfortunately there is no exact version in the folders - and there are differences between small version - it binary so I can't understand :-(
[22:47:32] <lewellyn> yay blobs
[22:48:01] <e^ipi> all code is open source if you have a hex editor
[22:48:13] <alanc> there is a reason they make horror movies about blobs
[22:48:14] <jbk> :)
[22:48:16] <e^ipi> and an instruction table
[22:49:27] <igork> MatSim: what is the chipset ?
[22:50:04] <igork> or HW name ?
[22:50:20] <igork> could you provide info from scanpci ?
[22:51:20] <MatSim> qla2300 series or for being exact QLA2344 (not yet in front of machine...)
[22:51:50] <igork> do you have external HW or internal ?
[22:51:54] <jbk> grrr.. zenoss is annoying me at the moment.. (won't recognize a plugin)
[22:52:00] <jbk> hmm..
[22:52:45] <MatSim> It would be quite interesting to use it in the target server and connect it directly to the initiating servers (it's a quad port 2G HBA)
[22:53:03] <igork> if you have external HW - could you try to setup HW to known comp and get more info by: scanpci -v?
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[22:53:47] <igork> if you have internal HW - you can try to run LiveCD
[22:53:57] <MatSim> That could maybe turn into some more info, well I will have to dig once I have the time still, it would be *sort of* quite interesting.
[22:54:32] <MatSim> (You mean with a oi for example? - I don't know about a minimal live cd with illumos yet)
[22:55:10] <igork> you can use as you wish - I have to know device ID and vendor ID
[22:55:44] <igork> you can use OpenIndiana or OpenSolaris
[22:56:45] <Triskelios> Windows will get you that information, really
[22:57:02] <MatSim> That won't be possible that soon but since it is not that much hurrying important yet it can take some time
[22:57:08] <igork> I have to information from Solaris :)
[22:57:30] <MatSim> But I memorize what you said and come back with more info as soon as I have it :-) Thank you
[22:57:50] <igork> ok, you are welcome :)
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[23:44:03] <nrubsig> Those... <censored> ... they dared it... dared it... to release Solaris 11 Express... without... oh crivens... without |O_DIRECTORY| ...
[23:44:06] <nrubsig> grrr
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