November 9, 2010 
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I'm not sure.[03:25:54] <jbk> why bother to link them correctly[03:26:13] <jbk> gwr_: elfedit (if built with somewhat recent ld)[03:26:25] <gwr_> Well-done products often use the $ORIGIN feature to make things work in relocatable fashion:)[03:26:45] *** boyd has quit IRC[03:26:48] <jbk> yes, that's a small minority[03:26:54] <jbk> i've tried though[03:27:00] <jbk> when i was at my last job[03:27:18] *** boyd has joined #illumos[03:27:21] <jbk> one guy was trying to build a corporate 'standard' nagios distro for linux and windows[03:27:28] <jbk> and i showed him that trick[03:27:31] <gwr_> The layered product I used to maintain did it right (after some customers complained that pkgadd with an alternate location didn't work:)[03:28:39] <jbk> hehe[04:01:48] *** boyd_ has joined #illumos[04:03:12] *** boyd has quit IRC[04:03:12] *** boyd_ is now known as boyd[04:04:57] *** Edgeman has quit IRC[04:05:03] *** ruse39 has quit IRC[04:05:22] *** Edgeman has joined #illumos[04:06:44] *** 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IRC[07:38:10] *** RoyK has joined #illumos[07:53:39] *** joffe has joined #illumos[07:54:37] *** RoyK has quit IRC[07:55:32] *** hajma_ has quit IRC[08:09:56] <gdamore> e^ipi: you have to use ssh://hg at hg dot illumos.org/illumos-gate[08:10:07] <gdamore> note the hg@ part. ;-) anonhg won't do it for you![08:10:17] <e^ipi> fair cop[08:10:31] <e^ipi> thx[08:10:36] <gdamore> yw[08:10:40] <gdamore> you pushing now?[08:10:47] <e^ipi> yep[08:10:52] <gdamore> cool beans.[08:11:17] <gdamore> I still have an RTI outstanding for the svr3 package support removal....[08:11:58] <gdamore> snmpdx cleanup is on the short list after that.[08:12:24] <gdamore> don't forget to update the bug, and a headsup mail to developer@ would be good too.[08:13:59] <e^ipi> ummm... how do i update the bug ?[08:14:08] <e^ipi> the 'update' button just adds notes[08:14:19] <gdamore> no, it should allow you to modify state too.[08:14:29] <gdamore> assuming you are logged in.[08:14:58] <e^ipi> I am[08:15:03] *** m2acis 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com>: 4 /etc/motd needs to say Illumos.org, not Oracle. Reviewed by: loki at animata dot net Approved by: garrett at nexenta dot com -- 1: +3/-2[17:33:32] <alanc> the CIA is now watching?[17:33:34] <lewellyn> i may have to +q cia for a bit though[17:33:45] <lewellyn> yeah[17:33:46] <CIA-68> Garrett D'Amore <garrett at nexenta dot com>: 5 Add support for usbace,1215 to zyd Reviewed by: loki at animata dot net Reviewed by: matt at greenviolet dot net Approved by: garrett at damore dot org -- 1: +3/-1[17:33:51] *** RoyK has joined #illumos[17:33:52] *** lewellyn sets mode: +q CIA-68!*@*[17:34:00] <alanc> its only got what, 100 or so to catch up on?[17:34:20] <lewellyn> the problem is that i had to use an incoming hook instead of a changeset hook.[17:34:54] <lewellyn> i have no idea why, but it wasn't my first thought on how to make it report.[17:37:24] <gber> has lpsched been obsoleted in Solaris?[17:39:20] *** hsp has joined #illumos[17:39:34] <alanc> Solaris is moving to cups[17:40:09] <RoyK> about time :)[17:40:34] * alanc refrains from making a bad "Two sets of printer commands, One cups" joke[17:41:02] *** Tenzer|work is now known as Tenzer|off[17:42:10] *** samuelyounge has joined #illumos[17:42:38] <alanc> of course, Solaris also thinks pkgadd is obsolete, while at least certain illumos leaders seem to disagree[17:42:45] <gber> is there any comparison or reasoning behind that (ARC case)? the printing CG on os.o does not seem to have anything[17:43:07] <lewellyn> gber: "it's what linux does"[17:43:08] <lewellyn> ;)[17:43:14] <gber> it is not immediatly obvious to me what the benefit is[17:43:18] *** n1c0b has joined #illumos[17:43:37] <alanc> "Someone actually works on cups, unlike the stuff we've let rot for years"[17:43:52] <gber> lewellyn: almost suspected something like that ;)[17:43:59] <Triskelios> CUPS has more backends, for one[17:44:25] <Triskelios> (backends for various protocols, not filters)[17:44:47] <Triskelios> and the Solaris print server never got browsing quite right, either[17:46:30] <gber> hmm, reading up on PSARC/2009/514[17:47:25] *** ruse39 has joined #illumos[17:50:29] <gber> it mentions trusted printing, nis, and forms printing, I hope nobody relies on that[17:52:57] *** lewellyn sets mode: -q CIA-68!*@*[17:53:45] <CIA-68> illumos Frank Van Der Linden <frank.van.der.linden at oracle dot com>: 6959249 Atomic increment in ddi_dma_addr_bind_handle limits UDP TX throughput on Callisto -- 2: +31/-26[17:53:54] <lewellyn> hm. it's not done yet[17:54:00] *** lewellyn sets mode: +q CIA-68!*@*[17:54:30] <Triskelios> gber: trusted printing could be a big deal. I'm pretty sure the others went out of style a decade ago[17:55:14] <lblume> lewellyn: Oh,it's you![17:55:24] <lewellyn> lblume: for the next few minutes. i'm running late :([17:55:25] <alanc> oh, it's still working through the final resync's with Oracle ON? that could take CIA a while[17:55:28] *** RoyK has quit IRC[17:55:38] <lewellyn> alanc: 430 changesets[17:55:42] <lewellyn> er 460[17:55:56] <lewellyn> http://cia.vc/stats/project/illumos[17:55:59] <lewellyn> gonna be a while, yes[17:56:06] <lewellyn> i'll set up the cronjob tonight[17:56:21] *** RoyK has joined #illumos[17:56:24] *** n1c0b has quit IRC[17:56:37] *** hnhn has quit IRC[17:56:44] <lewellyn> illumos is certainly going to get its 15 minutes of fame on the cia home page[17:57:19] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[17:57:34] <lblume> lewellyn: 'k[17:58:21] <Triskelios> the Solaris summit is about to start streaming, if anyone cares[17:58:33] *** n1c0b has joined #illumos[18:00:13] *** RoyK has quit IRC[18:00:29] <lblume> yaya,streaming[18:03:51] <lewellyn> btw, did cia's messages show up in color?[18:03:52] *** anilg has quit IRC[18:04:06] <Triskelios> they didn't[18:04:20] <lewellyn> good. yay cmode +c :)[18:04:22] * lewellyn also strips[18:04:51] <lblume> strips? There is streaming for that?[18:05:43] <alanc> I'm sure you can find hundreds of streams of that (though probably not ones featuring lewellyn)[18:06:27] * lewellyn makes sure his cam is facing the wall...[18:06:29] <Triskelios> I would pay for someone to streak across the stage for the summit though :P[18:06:46] <lblume> Would make Illumos more successful, I'm sure.[18:07:05] <alanc> streaking with an illumos logo?[18:07:37] <lblume> An Illumos tatoo would be better.[18:07:39] <alanc> btw lewellyn, the illumos CIA page still has the old logo - I bet you could get one appropriately sized to fit there[18:07:49] <lewellyn> i bet i could.[18:08:13] <lewellyn> hm. speaking of, has gdamore been around recently?[18:08:31] <alanc> he was in channel last night[18:08:32] <lewellyn> i've not had much irc time lately :P[18:08:39] <Triskelios> he was on earlier, why?[18:08:41] <gdamore> I'm around.[18:15:32] <jbk> solaris summit?[18:15:35] <Triskelios> yay VM 2.0? well... "yay" since we might not be getting it[18:15:48] *** glagasse has joined #illumos[18:15:59] <Triskelios> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/solaris-summit-at-lisa10[18:16:05] <jbk> ahh[18:16:40] <jbk> given oracle's effort to kill the solaris ecosystem for everything but their products, I can't get too excited about it :)[18:17:02] *** n1c0b has quit IRC[18:18:31] *** nachox has joined #illumos[18:24:42] <jbk> heh.. and a friend of mine is about 2 days away from kicking oracle out completely from their company[18:25:46] <jbk> amusing timing...[18:28:34] <bdha> Only caught the tail end there.[18:28:35] <bdha> Didn't seem like it went well.[18:28:45] <jbk> heh[18:28:49] <jbk> can't imagine why[18:28:57] <bdha> What's the takeaway?[18:29:06] <jbk> i mean it's not like they've pissed off their most ardent supporters or anything :)[18:31:26] <e^ipi> and lost a huge chunk of talented engineers[18:31:32] <e^ipi> like the inventors of everything[18:32:07] *** mikw has joined #illumos[18:33:06] <bdha> Stupid audio cutting out.[18:33:53] *** ruse39 has quit IRC[18:36:07] *** hajma__ has quit IRC[18:48:16] <alanc> Triskelios: VM 2.0 is one of the drivers of that PSARC EOF you stumbled across last week[18:48:40] <lewellyn> e^ipi: i still get the feeling they kept sun's salespeople though. :P[18:49:00] <e^ipi> dunno, haven't (won't) bought anything from them[18:49:30] <lewellyn> i gave up trying[18:49:31] <bdha> e^ipi: Can you say what hardware Joyent runs on?[18:49:54] *** xapiens has quit IRC[18:49:58] <e^ipi> pretty sure i cannot[18:50:06] <lewellyn> if i have to try even harder to throw money at them, i just don't have the time/patience.[18:50:17] <Triskelios> alanc: interesting, thanks[18:50:29] <bdha> rgr[18:50:32] <jbk> heh[18:50:52] <lewellyn> though, according to an email i got the other day, i still have at least one valid support contract. i thought i let them all lapse. i should check...[18:50:55] <jbk> i wouldn't buy any hardware from them for a while, unless you're very patient :)[18:50:55] <bdha> Well, they used to run Sun Fires (see cuddletech). Kind of interested.[18:51:10] <bdha> I didn't have a problem buying an X2270 a couple months ago.[18:51:22] <bdha> Or re-upping a support contract on an X4150 a few months before it lapsed.[18:51:22] <alanc> heh, illumos is now the most active project of the day on http://cia.vc/ thanks to lewellyn feeding them months of history in a single shot[18:51:35] <jbk> well a while ago they announced they were buying dells[18:51:38] <lewellyn> yup. the kde folks are probably wtfing since they're always #1 ;)[18:51:42] <jbk> hahaa[18:51:47] <bdha> Of course it took 12 hours for support to get back to me on a P1...[18:51:54] <alanc> and the little birdy flying to the top of the list fits nicely[18:51:54] <lewellyn> only about 200 more changes[18:52:08] <lewellyn> alanc: oh yeah. i got the logo updated ;)[18:54:18] <lewellyn> ack. i'm now an hour behind. bbl. i'll -q cia later and even later set up a cronjob to make sure cia stays informed.[18:54:29] <lewellyn> there's like another hour till cia's up to date anyhow[19:04:30] *** ShadowHntr has joined #illumos[19:04:30] *** ShadowHntr has joined #illumos[19:06:03] <tomww> hey lewellyn :-)[19:09:16] *** RoyK has joined #illumos[19:23:07] *** crsd has quit IRC[19:23:15] *** stallion has joined #illumos[19:26:47] <lblume> tomww: Do you have those bug numbers handy?[19:31:00] <tomww> sure[19:31:33] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC[19:32:09] *** ShadowHntr has joined #illumos[19:33:10] <estibi> hi[19:35:19] *** ganbold has quit IRC[19:38:32] *** stinger has joined #illumos[19:39:17] *** deirdres has joined #illumos[19:39:22] *** m4rku5 has joined #illumos[19:39:27] *** crsd has joined #illumos[19:39:42] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC[19:39:57] *** maverickbna has joined #illumos[19:39:58] *** maverickbna has joined #illumos[19:43:22] <samuelyounge> What's the easiest way to disable debuging symbols on the illumos-gate compile?[19:45:37] <e^ipi> install out of the -nd tree[19:46:18] <e^ipi> unless you mean stripping the binaries, in which case 'don't do that'[19:46:26] <samuelyounge> What is the path for that?[19:46:47] <samuelyounge> No, I just mean not included the DEBUG symbols[19:47:58] <e^ipi> should be under packages/i386/nightly-nd if your illumos.sh doesn't have -D and -F defined[19:48:27] <samuelyounge> Okay, thanks a lot e^ipi[19:49:08] *** gebi has quit IRC[19:49:30] *** stinger has quit IRC[19:49:51] *** stinger has joined #illumos[19:50:42] *** maverickbna has quit IRC[19:52:01] *** stinger has quit IRC[19:57:12] *** lewellyn sets mode: -q CIA-68!*@*[19:57:44] *** hajma has joined #illumos[19:59:42] *** n1c0b has joined #illumos[20:23:17] *** Gervystar has quit IRC[20:23:45] *** deirdres has quit IRC[20:40:27] *** _ams_ has quit IRC[20:46:08] *** n1c0b has quit IRC[20:47:31] *** palowoda has quit IRC[20:48:11] *** palowoda has joined #illumos[20:49:18] *** sgtarr has quit IRC[20:49:51] *** boyd_ has joined #illumos[20:50:20] *** boyd has quit IRC[20:50:20] *** boyd_ is now known as boyd[20:58:20] *** ottom has joined #illumos[21:01:48] *** movement has quit IRC[21:09:26] *** pjfloyd has joined #illumos[21:15:24] *** movement has joined #illumos[21:17:09] *** hsp has quit IRC[21:20:13] *** spked has joined #illumos[21:22:58] *** lewellyn has quit IRC[21:35:24] *** nachox_ has joined #illumos[21:35:30] *** Gervystar has joined #illumos[21:35:40] *** lewellyn has joined #illumos[21:35:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o lewellyn[21:37:56] *** nachox has quit IRC[21:38:29] <CIA-68> illumos Chris Love <cjlove at san dot rr.com>: 244 Need replacement for closed /usr/bin/tail and /usr/xpg4/bin/tail (fix lint) Approved by: garrett at nexenta dot com -- 1: +1/-1[21:38:48] *** xapiens has joined #illumos[21:39:00] <CIA-68> illumos Garrett D'Amore <garrett at nexenta dot com>: 225 libc locale binary files should be in native byte order (fix exceptions) -- 2: +6/-3[21:39:30] <CIA-68> illumos Jason King <jason at ansipunx dot net>: 289 invalid padding when using java pkcs11 provider Reviewed by: garrett at nexenta dot com, gordon.w.ross at gmail dot com Approved by: richlowe at richlowe dot net -- 3: +29/-16[21:39:52] <CIA-68> illumos Richard Lowe <richlowe at richlowe dot net>: 259 SCM tools should work with wider range of Mercurial versions Reviewed by: garrett at nexenta dot com Approved by: gwr at nexenta dot com -- 5: +421/-190[21:40:10] <CIA-68> illumos Albert Lee <trisk at opensolaris dot org>: 100 usb_as and usb_ac driver enhancements Reviewed by: garrett at nexenta dot com Approved by: garrett at nexenta dot com -- 5: +160/-264[21:40:29] <CIA-68> illumos Garrett D'Amore <garrett at nexenta dot com>: 326 strxfrm could be faster 330 isprint() returns false for "legacy" code, results in bad prompt Reviewed by: gwr at nexenta dot com Reviewed by: cjlove at san dot rr.com Reviewed by: richlowe at richlowe dot net Approved by: richlowe at richlowe dot net -- 6: +434/-160[21:40:56] <CIA-68> illumos Alexander Eremin <a.eremin at nexenta dot com>: 269 Modload functions use unsafe operations with configuration files Reviewed by: garrett at nexenta dot com Approved by: garrett at nexenta dot com -- 3: +49/-59[21:41:13] <CIA-68> illumos Richard Lowe <richlowe at richlowe dot net>: 260 some drivers erroneously discount a major of 0 Reviewed by: garrett at nexenta dot com, gwr at nexenta dot com Approved by: garrett at nexenta dot com -- 2: +10/-5[21:41:31] <CIA-68> illumos Richard Lowe <richlowe at richlowe dot net>: 332 proto area still has closed tails Reviewed by: garrett at nexenta dot com Approved by: gwr at nexenta dot com -- 1: +2/-3[21:41:51] <CIA-68> illumos Richard Lowe <richlowe at richlowe dot net>: 333 NIS packages require make, should depend on it Reviewed by: garrett at nexenta dot com Approved by: gwr at nexenta dot com -- 2: +2/-0[21:42:09] <CIA-68> illumos Garrett D'Amore <garrett at nexenta dot com>: 176 assertion failed: kept_info, file: ../../common/os/sunpm.c, line: 5219 Reviewed by: richlowe at richlowe dot net Approved by: gwr at nexenta dot com -- 1: +12/-3[21:42:29] <CIA-68> illumos Chris Love <cjlove at san dot rr.com>: 171 adt_get_mask_from_user frees memory before it's used 172 duplicate free in gss_accept_sec_context 173 duplicate free in spnego_gss_accept_sec_context Reviewed by: gordon.w.ross at gmail dot com Reviewed by: garrett at nexenta dot com Approved by: garrett at nexenta dot com -- 3: +5/-7[21:42:35] *** lattera has quit IRC[21:42:49] <CIA-68> illumos Garrett D'Amore <garrett at nexenta dot com>: 345 need an open printf(1) Reviewed by: cjlove at san dot rr.com Reviewed by: jason.brian.king at gmail dot com Reviewed by: gwr at nexenta dot com Approved by: gwr at nexenta dot com -- 7: +590/-1[21:43:06] <CIA-68> illumos Garrett D'Amore <garrett at nexenta dot com>: 345 need an open printf(1) (fix error) -- 1: +1/-1[21:43:25] <CIA-68> illumos Albert Lee <trisk at opensolaris dot org>: 334 "make check" fails if MULTI_PROTO is yes and only building non-debug 303 mdb's tigen should use terminfo database from proto Reviewed by: richlowe at richlowe dot net Reviewed by: garrett at nexenta dot com Approved by: garrett at nexenta dot com -- 3: +9/-5[21:43:28] <Meths> How far through is it?[21:43:42] <CIA-68> illumos Albert Lee <trisk at opensolaris dot org>: 185 PV boot panics due to unresolved iommulib symbol Reviewed by: garrett at nexenta dot com Approved by: garrett at nexenta dot com -- 1: +7/-0[21:43:51] *** pothos_ has joined #illumos[21:43:54] <joffe> um[21:44:06] <CIA-68> illumos Garrett D'Amore <garrett at nexenta dot com>: 347 convert xpg4/sh and ilk to use ksh93 Reviewed by: richlowe at richlowe dot net Reviewed by: johnsonnenschein at gmail dot com Reviewed by: guido+illumos.org at berhoerster dot name Reviewed by: gwr at nexenta dot com Approved by: gwr at nexenta dot com -- 5: +64/-20[21:44:44] <Meths> Ah, about 21 to go[21:44:46] <CIA-68> illumos Richard Lowe <richlowe at richlowe dot net>: 341 Update tzdata to 2010m Reviewed by: trisk at opensolaris dot org, garrett at nexenta dot com Approved by: garrett at nexenta dot com -- 4: +23/-10[21:45:03] <CIA-68> illumos Richard Lowe <richlowe at richlowe dot net>: 346 validate_pkg uses now-removed action.get_variants() Reviewed by: johnsonnenschein at gmail dot com, garrett at nexenta dot com Approved by: garrett at nexenta dot com -- 1: +16/-7[21:45:19] <CIA-68> illumos Garrett D'Amore <garrett at nexenta dot com>: 349 hang during network boot (circular kcf dependency) Reviewed by: richlowe at richlowe dot net Reviewed by: gwr at nexenta dot com Reviewed by: bryancantrill at nexenta dot com Approved by: gwr at nexenta dot com -- 1: +11/-2[21:45:32] *** pothos has quit IRC[21:45:36] <CIA-68> illumos Garrett D'Amore <garrett at nexenta dot com>: 354 need an open od(1) Reviewed by: richlowe at richlowe dot net Reviewed by: roland.mainz at nrubsig dot org Reviewed by: gwr at nexenta dot com Approved by: gwr at nexenta dot com -- 6: +976/-1[21:45:56] <CIA-68> illumos Garrett D'Amore <garrett at nexenta dot com>: 357 fix license on strptime.c 358 the prototype CDDL header needs minor grammar fixes Reviewed by: trisk at opensolaris dot org Reviewed by: gwr at nexenta dot com Reviewed by: gber at openindiana dot org -- 36: +89/-122[21:46:10] *** pothos_ has quit IRC[21:46:17] <CIA-68> illumos Garrett D'Amore <garrett at nexenta dot com>: 362 move xpg4 hardlinks to symlinks, and adjust packaging 361 xpg4/sh busted Reviewed by: damian at wojslaw dot pl Reviewed by: richlowe at richlowe dot net Approved by: richlowe at richlowe dot net -- 2: +19/-21[21:46:30] *** pothos has joined #illumos[21:46:33] <CIA-68> illumos Anil Gulecha <anil at nexenta dot com>: 319 hi ho hi ho ksh88 has got to go Reviewed by: garrett at nexenta dot com Reviewed by: richlowe at richlowe dot net Approved by: garrett at nexenta dot com -- 2: +0/-66[21:46:51] <CIA-68> illumos Damian Wojsław <damian at wojslaw dot pl>: 128 Splash image /boot/solaris.xpm file not found error stops the boot process Reviewed by: garrett at nexenta dot com Reviewed by: garrett at nexenta dot com -- 2: +498/-0[21:46:58] <e^ipi> that's a lot of spew[21:47:09] <CIA-68> illumos Garrett D'Amore <garrett at nexenta dot com>: backout 128: breaks build -- 2: +0/-498[21:47:19] <Aram> what caused this glitch?[21:47:31] <CIA-68> illumos Garrett D'Amore <garrett at nexenta dot com>: 369 build complaints (packaging mismatches) due to xpg4sh Reviewed by: gwr at nexenta dot com Approved by: gwr at nexenta dot com -- 2: +17/-8[21:47:42] <Meths> Yeah, it'll be over in a bit. It's not a glitch, it's CIA catching up with illumos commits[21:47:56] <CIA-68> illumos Steven Stallion <stallion at opensolaris dot org>: 9 Provide an open source implementation of spwr(7D) Reviewed by: garrett at nexenta dot com, richlowe at richlowe dot net Approved by: garrett at nexenta dot com -- 12: +2334/-1[21:48:21] <CIA-68> illumos Kartik Mistry <kartik.mistry at gmail dot com>: 320 remove /usr/has/bin/patch Reviewed by: trisk at opensolaris dot org Reviewed by: Richard Lowe <richlowe at richlowe dot net> Approved by: garrett at nexenta dot com -- 2: +1/-1[21:48:42] <CIA-68> illumos Garrett D'Amore <garrett at nexenta dot com>: 364 remove libplot Reviewed by: gwr at nexenta dot com Approved by: gwr at nexenta dot com -- 155: +0/-9074[21:49:07] <CIA-68> illumos Garrett D'Amore <garrett at nexenta dot com>: 364 remove libplot (fix packaging) -- 2: +0/-7[21:49:22] <tomww> the CIA messages are solely to please the volunteers putting so much effort/time/energy into the chagnes[21:49:29] <CIA-68> illumos Damian Wojsław <damian at wojslaw dot pl>: 363 kbdcomp should be removed Reviewed by: garrett at nexenta dot com Approved by: garrett at nexenta dot com -- 2: +1/-1[21:49:44] <CIA-68> illumos Damian Wojsław <damian at wojslaw dot pl>: 128 Splash image /boot/solaris.xpm file not found error stops the boot process Reviewed by: garrett at nexenta dot com Approved by: garrett at nexenta dot com -- 2: +8/-1[21:50:05] <CIA-68> illumos Richard Lowe <richlowe at richlowe dot net>: 364 remove libplot (fix lint) Approved by: gwr at nexenta dot com -- 1: +0/-1[21:50:19] <CIA-68> illumos Richard Lowe <richlowe at richlowe dot net>: 350 pfiles crashes when inspecting itself Reviewed by: garrett at nexenta dot com Approved by: gwr at nexenta dot com -- 1: +5/-1[21:50:38] <CIA-68> illumos Richard Lowe <richlowe at richlowe dot net>: 353 Remove Non-redistributable package/manifests Reviewed by: garrett at nexenta dot com, trisk at opensolaris dot org Approved by: gwr at nexenta dot com -- 31: +13/-916[21:50:59] <CIA-68> illumos Richard Lowe <richlowe at richlowe dot net>: 360 some modules have bogus module dependencies Reviewed by: garrett at nexenta dot com Approved by: gwr at nexenta dot com -- 2: +2/-2[21:51:18] <CIA-68> illumos Garrett D'Amore <garrett at nexenta dot com>: 401 sdcard hang Reviewed by: jason.brian.king at gmail dot com Approved by: gwr at nexenta dot com -- 1: +5/-1[21:54:10] *** m4rku5 has quit IRC[22:01:55] <richlowe> Well that was unnecessary.[22:03:01] <Meths> 2 more I reckon[22:04:13] <jbk> heh.. i might have to write code that can handle EBCDIC... yay[22:07:27] <Meths> jbk: How's the linker bug coming along?[22:08:08] *** Hedonista has quit IRC[22:10:57] <jbk> haven't looked at it in a while[22:11:25] <jbk> part of the problem i think is that to a large degree, all the various custom segments sun has created aren't really documented[22:11:38] <jbk> so understanding what it should look like is hard[22:15:29] <jbk> and i wanted to make some progress with the ike stuff[22:15:32] <jbk> so i've been doing that recently[22:18:31] <jbk> want to at least get it to the point where it should be able to translate between in-memory structs and the wire format[22:24:16] *** autotroll has joined #illumos[22:25:44] *** palowoda has quit IRC[22:26:06] *** nrubsig has joined #illumos[22:26:55] <nrubsig> hnngrrr... how many channels do we actually have ?[22:27:25] <nrubsig> one four for opensolaris, one for illumos, one for each other distribution ?[22:27:35] <richlowe> maybe?[22:27:55] <richlowe> depends a lot on how you define "we"[22:28:19] <nrubsig> "we" == OpenSolaris communiy, including ex-Sunnies and dissidents[22:28:39] <richlowe> thousands, probably.[22:29:21] <nrubsig> channels ?[22:30:45] <alanc> openindiana has 2 or 3 channels[22:31:09] <alanc> could probably kill/ignore #opensolaris-meeting now - it's been dead for months[22:34:45] <estibi> alanc: sure[22:34:59] <nrubsig> alanc: thanks[22:35:08] <nrubsig> alanc: which channels does openindiana use ?[22:35:35] * nrubsig prepares the mighty celebrations for today.[22:35:36] <alanc> #openindiana for users/general discussion, #oi-dev for developers working on building the distro itself[22:35:52] <alanc> what are you celebrating?[22:35:59] <nrubsig> Finally, after half a year of development and POSIX discussions the $"..."-literals are fully working[22:36:35] <nrubsig> autotroll: commit suicide, please[22:36:39] *** autotroll has quit IRC[22:37:58] <nachox_> what the hell is autotroll?[22:38:33] <nachox_> nrubsig, what are $"..."-literals?[22:39:23] <nrubsig> nachox_: shircbot instance[22:39:51] <nrubsig> nachox_: $"..." are like "..." string literals which are automagically looked-up in a localisation catalog[22:40:38] <estibi> crap, how can i watch illumos-sfe project?[22:40:47] <estibi> sfw*[22:44:08] <nrubsig> gdamore: ping![22:44:41] <nachox_> nrubsig, its like gettext() for shell scripts then?[22:45:26] <nrubsig> nachox_: sort of, except that it is a) cached but b) honors changes in LC_*/LANG and NLSPATH automagically[22:45:56] <stallion> jbk: looks like the upload didn't take :/[22:45:58] <nrubsig> nachox_: and the catalogs can be per function (e.g. for autoloaded function libraries) or per script[22:46:45] <nrubsig> nachox_: the per-function was actually part of making the stuff POSIX-compatible since each shell function has to follow the same set of rules as normal external commands[22:46:46] *** postwait has quit IRC[22:47:11] <nrubsig> nachox_: which ends-up in a satanic amount of braindamage from satanic hell[22:47:35] <nrubsig> nachox_: after all 20 lines of code changed and it is very very fast[22:47:52] <nrubsig> nachox_: now I need to find a victim to pay for it[22:47:56] *** postwait has joined #illumos[22:48:08] <nachox_> nrubsig, who cares about posix as long as it is linux compatible? ;)[22:48:44] * dlg wince[22:48:58] <nrubsig> nachox_: can you please wait 20mins that I can add an "autoinsult" mode to shircbot[22:49:00] <nrubsig> ?[22:49:11] <nachox_> haha[22:50:47] <Meths> nrubsig: Got a URL for more info about this l18n stuff?[22:51:01] *** ehcah has joined #illumos[22:51:35] <gdamore> heh[22:52:09] <nrubsig> Meths: this is l10n (=localisation), not i18n (=internationallisation)[22:52:41] <Meths> Okay[22:52:43] <nrubsig> Meths: depends, a while ago Finbarr Murthy blogged about it but since then we did do some minor changes[22:55:11] <nrubsig> Meths: http://blog.fpmurphy.com/2010/07/localizing-korn-shell-scripts.html[22:55:25] <Meths> Ta[22:55:25] <nrubsig> Meths: but I may create an updated "cookbook" to do that.[22:59:10] *** ruse39 has joined #illumos[23:05:01] *** autotroll has joined #illumos[23:05:30] <nrubsig> autotroll: insult nachox_[23:05:30] <autotroll> nachox_: Your mommy is sooo <censored> that <censored> is <censored> by <censored> with <censored>.[23:05:39] *** dajhorn has quit IRC[23:05:43] <nachox_> hahaha[23:05:45] <alanc> gdamore: I wonder if the Solaris 10 licensing constraints allow that to be a useful answer for illumos's compatibility issues, or you'll have to invent your own Solaris-10-compatible-without-using-Solaris-10-binaries zones[23:06:11] <nachox_> autotroll, insult nrubsig[23:06:27] <nachox_> damn, autotroll its a faithful dog[23:06:52] <alanc> (that was awkwardly worded - I was trying to suggest "Run your SunOS 4.x binaries in a Solaris 10 container" may not be as simple an answer as suggested for illumos)[23:07:13] *** autotroll has quit IRC[23:07:46] <richlowe> How about "Take off the hyper-colour t-shirt, throw your damn swatch away, and embrace the damn present"?[23:08:22] <gdamore> alanc: not sure. I've not researched the licensing constraints.[23:09:06] *** PatrickS__ has joined #illumos[23:09:29] <alanc> I believe you have to buy a license from Oracle for it, since it includes a copy of Solaris 10[23:10:07] <gdamore> i'm unconvinced there is a real interest/market for SunOS 4.x binaries. There are a few people who still run ancient shit.[23:10:14] <gdamore> Do those people really need to run that ancient shit on illumos?[23:10:25] <gdamore> I remain highly skeptical.[23:11:00] <Triskelios> never underestimate weird customers[23:11:15] <richlowe> no need to encourage 'em[23:11:28] *** stoxx has quit IRC[23:11:45] *** PatrickS_ has quit IRC[23:11:46] <Aram> I know people that use SunOS 4.x binaries. on SunOS 4.x. I don't think they want to change their OS.[23:12:08] <nrubsig> Can qemu run SunOS4.x ?[23:12:19] <bdha> People running ancient shit are probably going to stick with Solaris proper.[23:12:30] <bdha> Rather than being the kind of people who run off and install new-fangled forks.[23:13:38] <nrubsig> Oh yeah, lets to a market analysis, 40 more meetings, call-in Roland Berger&&associates for help, do more analysis, create customer profiles, make a marketing broschure...[23:15:17] <alanc> gdamore: understood, wasn't arguing you had to keep SunOS 4 compatibility, just suggesting "Run 'em in a S10 container on illumos" as an alternative might not work[23:18:55] *** stoxx has joined #illumos[23:24:38] *** gwr has quit IRC[23:28:17] *** PatrickS__ has quit IRC[23:29:06] *** carlomagno has joined #illumos[23:29:48] *** PatrickS has joined #illumos[23:31:44] *** gwr has joined #illumos[23:32:38] <nrubsig> I have a parents-related question:[23:33:20] <nrubsig> Which is the age in which kids/babies start to make complex plans involving 2nd-party people to implmenet a complex plain to gain something for themselves ?[23:33:38] <joffe> define complex[23:33:39] <nrubsig> s/plain/plan/[23:34:45] <nrubsig> joffe: My daugher wants schocolade She knows we have it hidden in the upper parts of the fridge where she can't see it directly. therefore she came up with a plan... started to drag me through our home on one hand, saying that it is "important"[23:34:53] <nrubsig> but she didn't want to explain why or what[23:35:04] <nrubsig> she dragged me in front of the fridge[23:35:10] <nrubsig> still saying that it is important[23:35:27] <nrubsig> then she asked me to open the fridge, still being important and no further explanation[23:35:40] <nrubsig> then she asked me to lfit her up[23:35:49] <nrubsig> s/lfit/lift/[23:36:16] <nrubsig> I realised to late that she now can a) see the chocolad and b) therefore knows it's there and c) ask forit[23:36:21] <joffe> lol[23:36:24] <joffe> thats just cute[23:36:32] <joffe> how old is she anyway[23:36:50] <nrubsig> If I understand this correctly she planned thisfrom the beginning when she dragged me around in our home[23:36:56] <joffe> well of course[23:36:57] <nrubsig> Please guess the age.[23:37:15] <joffe> i don't know, 4-6?[23:37:19] <crsd> 18[23:37:22] <joffe> haha[23:37:34] <alanc> I suppose I shouldn't guess by checking my mailbox to see the datestamp on her baby pictures[23:37:37] <nrubsig> can anyone other give a good guess (not alanc, you know her age)[23:38:10] <nrubsig> alanc: No, I want to figure out the age when other babies start to make complex plans[23:38:31] <nrubsig> alanc: and this was not the first incident.[23:38:42] <joffe> why do you give chocolate to such small kids anyway[23:39:03] <joffe> if i ever have kids (har de har.. yeah right :() there wont be any in the house[23:39:08] * alanc will get scared if you tell us next she's writing ksh93 scripts to get stuff, though given her parents...[23:39:10] <joffe> well there isnt any now either but thats besides the point[23:39:47] <nrubsig> alanc: she has intentionally dragged a package of LEGO (or better: DUPLO) into the buy waggon and hid it from our sight by covering it with lots of other stuff[23:40:17] <nrubsig> s/buy waggon/cart/[23:40:17] *** ehcah has quit IRC[23:40:42] <nrubsig> and played innocent when we reached the crash point[23:41:07] <nrubsig> joffe: my parents are responsible for introducing her to chocolad[23:41:50] <nrubsig> Ok, back to the original question: What is the _typical_ age for such plan-making ?[23:43:37] <alanc> sounds like a question for a parenting forum instead of a OS developer channel[23:43:38] <nrubsig> gber: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1986794[23:43:42] *** ravenslay3r1 has left #illumos[23:44:01] <nrubsig> alanc: There isn't much other traffic here and maybe other people here have kids, too[23:44:35] *** Edgeman has quit IRC[23:46:22] <gber> nrubsig: yeah, sometimes wrapping in a compound container makes it work though not always[23:46:33] <nrubsig> alanc: re ksh93 programming: No, her only IT interests right now are 1) screwdriver, 2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Sendung_mit_der_Maus , 3) "Shawn the sheep" (since our DVD-Player is broken)[23:46:56] <gber> nrubsig: see http://www.mail-archive.com/ast-users at research dot att.com/msg01041.html[23:47:11] <nrubsig> alanc: and 4) running after people in the IT center to harass them to get DIN A0 paper from the poster printer and pencils[23:47:30] <gwr> CIA-86: Oh, cia.vc exposes the email address of committers. That's too bad.[23:47:41] <gwr> I wonder if there's a way to avoid that?[23:47:55] <nrubsig> alanc: where "harass" may be an understatement[23:48:07] <gwr> (at least on places web crawlers will find)[23:51:00] *** jamesd__ has joined #illumos[23:51:11] <alanc> gwr: hg already does that[23:52:01] *** mikw has quit IRC[23:52:10] <alanc> (already exposes the addresses that is)[23:53:07] <richlowe> If you rely on secrecy to protect you from spam, you lost already.[23:53:39] <gwr> alanc: yes, hg does, and if you subscribe to the list you'll see them, but i thought web-viewable archives generally obscured or removed email addresses?[23:53:53] *** Aram has quit IRC[23:54:10] <gwr> Obviously one needs a spam solution, but not having your email everywhere does still help.[23:54:33] <alanc> the normal hg browsers I've seen don't do that[23:54:41] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[23:55:08] <alanc> I'd point to a hg.illumos.org url, but that's always broken, so: http://hg.openindiana.org/illumos-gate/rev/74a59768760e[23:55:26] <alanc> your address in approved by, garrett's as author[23:55:49] *** ehcah has joined #illumos[23:58:11] <nachox_> can i point out how funny it is that while oracle ended opensolaris it continues to direct users to its forums for discussion? :)