November 3, 2010 
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November 3, 2010 [00:06:43] *** trbs has quit IRC[00:07:25] *** gber has quit IRC[00:25:10] *** Aram has quit IRC[00:27:45] *** movement has quit IRC[00:31:57] *** gwr_ has joined #illumos[00:31:57] *** gwr has quit IRC[00:41:23] <e^ipi> anyone happen to know what libmtsk is for?[00:41:26] *** movement has joined #illumos[00:42:41] <e^ipi> n/m, it's for openmp[01:01:36] *** mavhc has quit IRC[01:02:17] *** relling has quit IRC[01:02:18] *** sponix has joined #illumos[01:03:57] *** randw has quit IRC[01:04:20] *** mavhc has joined #illumos[01:10:24] *** VertexSymphony has joined #illumos[01:17:18] *** ganbold has joined #illumos[01:24:10] *** xmikus01 has quit IRC[01:45:01] *** descipher has joined #illumos[01:49:04] *** gwr_ has quit IRC[01:49:54] *** stallion has quit IRC[02:00:17] *** gwr has joined #illumos[02:04:51] *** _ams_ has quit IRC[02:07:41] *** Stellar has joined #illumos[02:17:23] *** VertexSymphony has quit IRC[02:24:15] *** gwr has quit IRC[02:27:56] *** psychicist has quit IRC[02:34:45] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #illumos[02:37:55] *** eck0 has joined #illumos[02:38:01] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[02:47:38] *** Hedonista has quit IRC[02:50:54] *** gwr has joined #illumos[03:08:25] *** plovs has quit IRC[03:09:10] *** plovs has joined #illumos[03:13:59] *** eck0 has quit IRC[03:18:59] *** Edgeman has quit IRC[03:19:31] *** Edgeman has joined #illumos[03:24:50] *** plovs has quit IRC[03:25:23] *** plovs has joined #illumos[03:31:41] *** tr3bble has joined #illumos[03:32:14] *** eck0 has joined #illumos[03:39:31] *** rkhshm has joined #illumos[03:52:47] *** bayoda has joined #illumos[03:53:02] *** relling has joined #illumos[03:55:09] *** allanblack has quit IRC[04:02:33] *** allanblack has joined #illumos[04:02:35] <setuid> OpenSolaris 2010.3 was never released, is there a release from Illumos?[04:07:47] <samuelyounge> You have build illumos manually. You may want to try openindiana[04:08:47] <setuid> I'm ok with building it all manually... but where is the tree of source packages?[04:08:59] <samuelyounge> You have to compile them[04:09:10] <samuelyounge> Go to http://illumos.org/[04:09:13] <setuid> Right... I assumed such. Where is the list of packages then?[04:09:19] <samuelyounge> then click on Wiki[04:09:24] <samuelyounge> Then click on illumos-gate[04:09:30] <samuelyounge> follow instructions[04:09:34] <setuid> Got it[04:09:35] <setuid> Thanks[04:09:43] *** igork has quit IRC[04:09:44] <samuelyounge> no prob[04:13:22] *** edp_work has quit IRC[04:17:30] *** rkhshm has quit IRC[04:17:49] *** rkhshm has joined #illumos[04:18:39] *** needle21219 has joined #illumos[04:20:57] *** gwr has quit IRC[04:22:16] *** tr3bble has left #illumos[04:22:30] *** edp_work has joined #illumos[04:22:35] *** tr3bble has joined #illumos[04:26:01] *** fatalistic has joined #illumos[04:27:39] *** tr3bble has joined #illumos[04:28:27] *** POloser has joined #illumos[04:28:39] *** POloser is now known as Poloser[04:37:35] *** rkhshm has quit IRC[04:37:44] *** setuid has quit IRC[04:50:01] <e^ipi> illumos doesn't contain half of what you need to boot[04:50:42] <jbk> how big are fc addresses? 12 bytes or 8?[04:50:53] * jbk can't remember[04:55:21] *** utopian has joined #illumos[04:58:38] *** rkhshm has joined #illumos[04:59:53] <McBofh> jbk: target-port names are 16, iirc[05:00:26] <McBofh> nope, 8[05:00:42] <McBofh> jbk: check out my "what is a guid" preso[05:01:00] <McBofh> pages 8, 10, 11, 12[05:02:15] <jbk> thanks...[05:04:48] <jbk> instead of going through all these ugly gyrations when using an ikev2 packet, i'm going to expand it into normal (unpacked) c structures, with pointers to any dependent structures[05:05:58] *** trochej has quit IRC[05:06:48] <dlg> jbk: 64bits as a value, or 16 bytes as a hex string[05:09:04] *** rkhshm has quit IRC[05:11:23] *** Edgeman has quit IRC[05:11:52] *** Edgeman has joined #illumos[05:13:14] *** Hedonista has joined #illumos[05:13:59] <jbk> ok, semi-obscure C question, if i have struct foo { uint32_t, uint32_t, uint64_t }, for gcc + sun's C compiler (at least), it should naturally not insert any padding, correct?[05:14:32] <jbk> (basically I want to be sure if &struct is 64-bit aligned, &last member will be as well[05:15:47] <steleman> uint32_t will align on 4 bytes not necessarily 8[05:16:16] <dlg> jbk: you should be ok with that one[05:17:02] <steleman> uint64_t will align on 8 bytes and because you have two uint32_t's before it there will be no padding required[05:17:37] <steleman> actually no, i am wrong[05:17:41] *** tr3bble has quit IRC[05:17:51] *** utopian has quit IRC[05:18:04] <jbk> this is why i asked :)[05:18:17] <dlg> jbk: it should be ok on sparc and x86[05:18:18] *** fatalistic has quit IRC[05:18:30] <steleman> if you want to guarantee 8 byte alignment for the struct you have to put it inside a union and have an unsigned long long pad[05:18:35] <dlg> id suggest packing to guarantee it[05:18:51] <dlg> which would then cause me to suggest using the aligned attribute in gcc[05:19:00] <needle21219> OpenBSD dbtid.homeunix.net 3.7 GENERIC#3 sparc64[05:19:02] *** needle21219 has quit IRC[05:20:03] <jbk> well IIRC, the problem with using pack is that it packs the structure, but doesn't seem to know when accessing member x, to use appropriate techniques to deal with any alignment issues[05:20:12] <steleman> typedef union { unsigned long long pad; foo _foo } u_foo;[05:20:47] *** eck0 has quit IRC[05:22:45] <McBofh> jbk: you can specify a packing size[05:22:49] <McBofh> eg, #pragma pack(1)[05:22:52] <McBofh> iirc[05:24:28] *** dnm has quit IRC[05:24:38] <steleman> you can also use #pragma align(8)[05:24:53] <steleman> as in #pragma align 8(foo)[05:25:34] <jbk> do those work with gcc as well? I thought they were specific to ss[05:25:53] <steleman> no they do not work with gcc they are non-portable studio specific[05:26:07] <steleman> if you want portable across compilers you have to use a union with a pad[05:29:42] *** dnm has joined #illumos[05:30:48] *** dnm_ has joined #illumos[05:37:14] *** gwr has joined #illumos[05:43:54] *** xapiens has quit IRC[05:45:01] *** xapiens has joined #illumos[05:48:27] *** xapiens has quit IRC[05:48:52] <dlg> jbk: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Variable-Attributes.html[05:50:01] *** kart_ has joined #illumos[05:51:08] <jbk> ahh cool[05:53:02] *** xapiens has joined #illumos[05:55:57] *** Thrae has quit IRC[05:56:16] <steleman> __attribute__ ((aligned (x))) is not a Standard language feature[05:56:31] *** Thrae has joined #illumos[05:56:36] <jbk> i'm most concerned with what works for both gcc and cc[05:56:59] <steleman> Standard language features do ;-)[06:05:42] *** trochej has joined #illumos[06:07:14] <madwizard> Coffee does, too[06:10:24] *** crsd has quit IRC[06:11:45] *** xapiens has quit IRC[06:27:59] *** crsd has joined #illumos[06:29:15] *** rkhshm has joined #illumos[06:42:07] *** relling has quit IRC[06:45:11] *** gwr has quit IRC[06:46:58] <madwizard> Coffee[06:49:41] *** lay3rz has joined #illumos[06:54:26] *** anilg has joined #illumos[06:56:34] *** lay3rz has quit IRC[07:02:52] *** Zauberpony has joined #illumos[07:04:16] *** Zauberpo1y has quit IRC[07:20:21] *** relling has joined #illumos[07:24:22] *** relling has quit IRC[07:27:48] *** crsd has quit IRC[07:30:20] *** rkhshm has quit IRC[07:33:15] *** steleman has quit IRC[07:33:56] *** samuelyounge has quit IRC[07:34:16] *** joffe has quit IRC[07:36:41] *** samuelyounge has joined #illumos[07:38:33] *** rkhshm has joined #illumos[07:43:04] *** RoyK has quit IRC[07:43:37] *** joffe has joined #illumos[07:47:19] *** ThothCrimson has joined #illumos[08:10:51] *** crsd has joined #illumos[08:21:00] *** Stellar has quit IRC[08:22:53] *** igork has joined #illumos[08:24:58] *** hsp has joined #illumos[08:33:39] *** bayoda has left #illumos[08:38:53] *** m4rku5 has quit IRC[08:46:07] *** lblume has joined #illumos[08:46:41] <lblume> 'coffee[08:50:52] *** xmikus01 has joined #illumos[08:54:08] *** m2acis has joined #illumos[08:55:47] *** ily___sch has joined #illumos[08:59:20] *** ly___schi has quit IRC[08:59:26] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #illumos[09:06:23] *** saablover has joined #illumos[09:06:45] <madwizard> Coffee[09:08:58] *** sancho has joined #illumos[09:13:45] <lblume> madwizard: coffeeeeeeee![09:15:43] <saablover> coffeee :)[09:19:02] *** sancho has quit IRC[09:22:20] *** sancho has joined #illumos[09:24:46] *** DerSaidin has quit IRC[09:25:24] *** RoyK has joined #illumos[09:25:36] *** DerSaidin has joined #illumos[09:30:55] *** HyperJohnGraham has quit IRC[09:31:11] *** rkhshm has quit IRC[09:38:47] *** movement has quit IRC[09:43:57] <estibi> hi[09:44:23] *** xmikus01 has quit IRC[09:44:48] <estibi> does anyone has WDC green disks under Solaris?[09:46:57] *** gber has joined #illumos[09:51:01] *** hnhn has joined #illumos[09:52:53] *** movement has joined #illumos[09:55:29] <lblume> People have been complaining about them. Avoid them.[09:55:41] *** hnhn has quit IRC[10:03:50] *** hnhn has joined #illumos[10:06:52] <nettezzaumana> moin[10:07:58] <estibi> lblume: yeah, too late[10:14:17] <dlg> estibi: do they really suck that much?[10:28:35] <madwizard> If they sucked, estibi would've really wide smile[10:35:38] *** xmikus01 has joined #illumos[10:37:26] *** Aram has joined #illumos[10:38:44] *** hajma has quit IRC[10:38:51] *** hajma has joined #illumos[10:41:34] *** russiane39 has joined #illumos[10:42:54] <lblume> As far as I remember, they spin down all the time, and need to be kept up by some script in crontab.[10:47:33] <estibi> lblume: and what does the script do?[10:49:30] <lblume> read one byte[10:49:58] <estibi> heh[11:15:10] *** jamesd2 has joined #illumos[11:15:20] *** hsp has quit IRC[11:16:06] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[11:16:19] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #illumos[11:17:34] <dlg> surely thats a tunable[11:18:35] <saablover> it could be in firmware on the disks[11:18:42] <saablover> I see the same problem with other disks[11:19:00] <saablover> I think sdparm can change this setting[11:19:23] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[11:21:26] *** hsp has joined #illumos[11:24:02] *** xmikus01 has quit IRC[11:24:52] <estibi> sdparm?[11:25:45] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[11:26:57] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #illumos[11:28:06] *** russiane39 has quit IRC[11:28:56] <lblume> AFAICT, people complaining about it didn't find a way to switch it off. I do have a WD drive in my netbook, that spins down also too quickly, and I used some windows software to modify that, with no result.[11:29:58] <dlg> run scrub continually[11:31:45] *** jamesd__ has joined #illumos[11:35:03] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[11:35:15] *** jamesd2 has joined #illumos[11:35:18] *** gebi has joined #illumos[11:35:18] *** gebi has joined #illumos[11:37:03] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC[11:37:04] *** plovs has quit IRC[11:37:51] *** jamesd_laptop has joined #illumos[11:41:10] *** plovs has joined #illumos[11:41:20] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[11:41:33] *** russiane39 has joined #illumos[11:44:46] <saablover> yes[11:44:49] <saablover> you have hdparm[11:44:52] <saablover> and sdparm[11:45:00] <saablover> sdparm is for sata and scsi devices[11:47:46] <estibi> yeah, but these are linux utilities[11:48:01] <saablover> they do compile on opensolaris[11:48:17] <estibi> really?[11:49:28] <saablover> should check again[11:49:34] <saablover> but I remember that it worked fine[11:51:31] *** jamesd__ has joined #illumos[11:54:50] *** jamesd_laptop has quit IRC[11:54:55] <estibi> SCSI INQUIRY command failed on /dev/rdsk/c6d0p0[11:55:46] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC[11:56:50] *** jamesd2 has joined #illumos[11:56:55] <estibi> saablover: does it work with sata drives?[11:57:17] <saablover> sometimes :)[12:04:45] *** allanblack has quit IRC[12:05:39] *** ceri has joined #illumos[12:05:39] *** ceri has joined #illumos[12:05:46] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[12:05:58] *** ceri has quit IRC[12:06:15] *** jamesd2 has joined #illumos[12:06:56] *** ceri has joined #illumos[12:07:29] *** ceri has quit IRC[12:07:51] *** ceri has joined #illumos[12:08:46] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[12:09:15] *** jamesd2 has joined #illumos[12:10:04] *** ceri has left #illumos[12:12:57] *** trbs has joined #illumos[12:15:39] *** plovs has quit IRC[12:20:06] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[12:20:21] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[12:20:22] *** jamesd2 has joined #illumos[12:20:32] *** sickness has joined 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Guest90023 is now known as rnewman[18:55:01] <windowsrefund> greetings rnewman[18:55:10] <rnewman> Noted.[18:55:15] *** xapiens has quit IRC[18:59:18] *** hnhn has quit IRC[18:59:58] *** kart_ has joined #illumos[19:09:19] *** Norrin has quit IRC[19:12:38] *** RoyK has joined #illumos[19:12:43] *** RoyK has quit IRC[19:12:54] *** RoyK has joined #illumos[19:13:26] *** McBofh has joined #illumos[19:15:26] *** kart_ has quit IRC[19:15:34] *** kart_ has joined #illumos[19:19:45] *** Hedonista has quit IRC[19:21:41] *** gwr has joined #illumos[19:27:38] <Triskelios> this is cool, a bge performance optimisation may actually have fixed a bug as well[19:29:46] *** Hedonista has joined #illumos[19:30:44] *** gwr has quit IRC[19:31:51] *** kart_ has quit IRC[19:39:23] *** anilg has quit IRC[19:39:27] *** smrt has quit IRC[19:39:49] *** smrt has joined #illumos[19:40:49] *** lay3rz has joined #illumos[19:40:55] *** Hedonista has quit IRC[19:40:58] <lay3rz> smrt: explain scla[19:40:58] <smrt> Um. I seem to not know anything about scla...[19:42:03] <lay3rz> any info on running a linux binary?[19:42:47] <Triskelios> lay3rz: revert the lx_brand removal[19:43:16] *** gwr has joined #illumos[19:43:49] <lay3rz> Triskelios: how would i do that?[19:43:54] *** Hedonista has joined #illumos[19:44:29] <Triskelios> lay3rz: http://pkgdev.openindiana.org/~trisk/il_104_lx_brand/[19:46:17] <lay3rz> Triskelios: i see...[19:47:49] *** mikw has joined #illumos[19:49:06] *** lay3rz has quit IRC[19:52:07] *** dnm_ has joined #illumos[19:59:10] *** gwr_ has joined #illumos[20:01:14] *** Hedonista has quit IRC[20:01:21] *** Meths_ has joined #illumos[20:02:12] *** gwr has quit IRC[20:02:29] *** gdamore has joined #illumos[20:02:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o gdamore[20:02:43] *** Meths has quit IRC[20:02:54] *** Meths_ is now known as Meths[20:03:31] *** Hedonista has joined #illumos[20:04:05] *** gwr__ has joined #illumos[20:06:26] *** gwr_ has quit IRC[20:08:03] *** Cobi has quit IRC[20:10:27] *** boyd has quit IRC[20:10:57] *** Cobi has joined #illumos[20:11:39] *** boyd has joined #illumos[20:18:33] *** boyd has quit IRC[20:19:12] *** boyd has joined #illumos[20:27:56] *** boyd_ has joined #illumos[20:28:24] *** windowsrefund has quit IRC[20:28:27] *** boyd has quit IRC[20:28:29] *** boyd_ is now known as boyd[20:30:05] *** gwr__ has quit IRC[20:49:03] *** jelmd has joined #illumos[20:50:34] *** psychicist has joined #illumos[20:55:27] *** boyd has quit IRC[20:57:07] *** Tenzer|off is now known as Tenzer[21:00:12] *** Zauberpony has joined #illumos[21:02:09] *** Zauberpony has quit IRC[21:03:34] *** gwr has joined #illumos[21:07:46] *** xmikus01 has joined #illumos[21:18:13] *** cmbntr has joined #illumos[21:19:46] *** gdamore has quit IRC[21:24:49] *** gdamore has joined #illumos[21:24:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o gdamore[21:54:06] *** xapiens has joined #illumos[22:02:03] *** Aram has quit IRC[22:03:31] *** xapiens has quit IRC[22:10:45] *** xapiens has joined #illumos[22:13:36] *** ceri has joined #illumos[22:14:45] *** ceri has quit IRC[22:30:11] *** xapiens has quit IRC[22:34:25] *** xapiens has joined #illumos[22:50:03] *** hsp has quit IRC[22:53:29] *** pothos_ has joined #illumos[22:54:41] *** pothos has quit IRC[22:55:52] *** pothos_ has quit IRC[22:56:09] *** pothos has joined #illumos[22:58:26] *** mikw has quit IRC[23:01:39] *** Tenzer is now known as Tenzer|off[23:11:19] *** stallion has quit IRC[23:15:27] *** alhazred_ has quit IRC[23:20:53] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[23:27:12] *** cmbntr has quit IRC[23:38:06] *** dnm_ has quit IRC[23:38:41] *** Norrin has joined #illumos[23:38:54] *** joffe has quit IRC