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[06:24:39] <madwizard> Coffee
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[07:58:13] <nettezzaumana> moin
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[08:04:26] <madwizard> 'lo
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[08:27:41] <madwizard> lewellyn: Ping
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[10:32:21] <Aram> moin.
[10:32:31] <Aram> alanc: does xcb work in illumos?
[10:32:52] <madwizard> Coffee?
[10:33:03] <Aram> Tea.
[10:33:48] <saablover> coffee :)
[10:34:32] <saablover> Java Coffee ? :)
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[11:05:04] <estibi> hi
[11:06:49] <estibi> what do I need in order to get 'hg pbchk' working?
[11:07:00] <estibi> $ hg pbchk
[11:07:00] <estibi> hg: unknown command 'pbchk'
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[11:16:03] <McBofh> estibi: you need cadmium extensions installed
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[11:16:33] <McBofh> [extensions]
[11:16:33] <McBofh> hgext.cdm = /opt/onbld/lib/python/onbld/hgext/cdm.py
[11:16:38] <McBofh> in your $HOME/.hgrc
[11:17:35] <estibi> McBofh: thanks
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[11:24:34] <estibi> Keywords check:
[11:24:34] <estibi> ERROR: HTTP error at http://arc.opensolaris.org/cgi-bin/arc.cgi got error: 404
[11:24:34] <estibi> abort: HTTP Error 404: Not Found
[11:25:00] <estibi> now what? :)
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[11:32:47] <McBofh> estibi: my advice, pending confirmation from gdamore or richlowe is to ignore it
[11:33:13] <estibi> McBofh: ok
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[12:38:33] <richlowe> You're using an opensolaris onbld, use illumos's
[12:38:54] <richlowe> and no, you can't ignore it.
[12:39:02] <richlowe> because, due to a separate bug, (as you see) it aborts, rather than skipping.
[12:39:17] <richlowe> mmmmm nested parantheticals.
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[12:46:06] <estibi> richlowe: do i need to install onbld package for that?
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[12:47:30] <richlowe> Yes.
[12:47:40] <richlowe> Well, actually, o.
[12:47:42] <richlowe> but you should.
[12:47:43] <richlowe> so Yes.
[12:47:45] <richlowe> :)
[12:47:50] <madwizard> richlowe: http://illumos.pastebin.com/a2pKiQkb
[12:48:01] <madwizard> I did it with your suggested changes
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[12:49:13] <richlowe> pkgfmt usr/src/pkg/manifests/system-boot-real-mode.mf
[12:49:31] <richlowe> Oh, wait, you did that already
[12:49:55] <richlowe> Oh, hah, yeah, the packaging noise is because I always forget it's (sym)'link' and 'hardlink'.
[12:50:04] <richlowe> fix the manifest. :)
[12:50:37] <madwizard> changing link to symlink?
[12:51:02] <madwizard> I need to educate myself on so many issues, I just can't get around to choose one
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[12:51:15] <richlowe> no, I'd change the manifest to say 'hardlink', and leave the file being one.
[12:52:22] <madwizard> ok
[12:53:04] <madwizard> So lets the build begin
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[14:59:40] <madwizard> richlowe: Does it look a bit close to expected?
[14:59:43] <madwizard> http://illumos.pastebin.com/b0uR5m0Xhttp://illumos.pastebin.com/b0uR5m0X
[14:59:45] <madwizard> Drat
[14:59:47] <madwizard> richlowe: http://illumos.pastebin.com/b0uR5m0X
[15:01:49] <nettezzaumana> madwizard: why did i expect on that patebin just only plain paste shouting "COFFEE" ?
[15:02:01] <madwizard> I've no idea :)
[15:02:55] <nettezzaumana> :)
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[15:11:47] <alanc> Aram: I've never run illumos, but I expect xcb would work there, since I haven't seen anything go by that I would expect to break it
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[15:18:50] <alanc> though technically you'ld need an illumos based distro like OI, since xcb, like most of X, depends on stuff outside ON
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[15:20:23] <nettezzaumana> alanc: OIs dropped illumos codebase IMO
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[15:21:09] <Triskelios> nettezzaumana: huh? no we haven't
[15:21:17] <alanc> huh? OI is planning to move to illumos in the future, but hasn't got there yet (things like the replacement of all the locale code make that non-trivial)
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[15:25:03] <stallion> lewellyn: morning ping
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[15:42:30] <madwizard> gdamore: http://illumos.pastebin.com/FjbaWRYh
[15:42:35] <madwizard> gdamore: http://cr.illumos.org/view/i8zz6597/
[15:42:51] * gdamore looks
[15:43:03] <madwizard> this is issue 128
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[15:45:28] <gdamore> madwizard: Does the hardlink with a relative target in the same directory work properly?
[15:46:25] <gdamore> Yes please.
[15:46:47] <gdamore> the Makefile looks right, but I worry that the *package* might or might not deliver what is intended.
[15:48:20] <madwizard> gdamore: http://illumos.pastebin.com/vDiZDnC0
[15:48:24] <madwizard> Looks okay to me
[15:50:41] <gdamore> Looks reasonable... but ...
[15:50:52] <gdamore> did you verify this by doing an onu from 145 or somesuch?
[15:51:03] <gdamore> (I know, this bug is a PITA to test properly.)
[15:51:40] <madwizard> gdamore: Not from 145
[15:51:55] <gdamore> how did you verify apart from the ls output then?
[15:51:55] <madwizard> What version of zpool and zfs is 145?
[15:52:05] <madwizard> I onued from illumos
[15:52:06] <gdamore> probably 128.
[15:52:23] <gdamore> "old" illumos would be adequate... but if you onu'd from recent, then you miss stuff.
[15:52:32] <gdamore> I suspect onu from openindiana would be a reasonable test.
[15:52:35] <madwizard> ok
[15:52:55] <gdamore> (suspect, because I've not actually looked at what OI delivers here today.)
[15:53:27] <richlowe> The trick is to onu from something such that your menu.lst entry still says 'solaris.xpm'
[15:53:33] <gdamore> *right*
[15:53:59] <gdamore> I'd be willing to see a test with that setting forced manually....
[15:54:01] <madwizard> I still have old 2009.06 be, but I've upgrade zpool since then
[15:54:15] <madwizard> I can add that entry and reboor
[15:54:17] <madwizard> reboot
[15:54:26] <gdamore> I think that's enough to make me happy.
[15:54:34] <gdamore> rich, good enough for you?
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[15:56:38] <Triskelios> richlowe: have an updated webrev for the non-redist removal?
[15:57:33] <gdamore> I thought he committed that already?
[15:57:49] <gdamore> I'm running a bit disconnected lately, as I've been on travel and fighting other stuff lately....
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[16:08:36] <madwizard> Okay, just booted okay
[16:09:15] <Triskelios> gdamore: doesn't appear to be the case
[16:09:23] <gdamore> sounds good, go ahead and push. :-)
[16:09:34] <madwizard> http://illumos.pastebin.com/uHMaz177
[16:09:55] <madwizard> My grub menu entry for this be and a listing showing its active and running :)
[16:10:23] <Triskelios> madwizard: cool
[16:10:49] <madwizard> Anyone willing to build and confirm? :)
[16:11:44] <Triskelios> gdamore: http://pkgdev.openindiana.org/~trisk/il_342_libntfs_gnomevfs/ look okay to you? it's removing a GNOME VFS module from the libntfs build (actually linked into the library), as far as I can tell this is never used. also the only GNOME dependency in ON
[16:12:15] <gdamore> let me look... this sounds interesting at least.
[16:12:38] <gdamore> I'd like to know how you checked the VFS dependencies though.
[16:12:41] <Triskelios> (there are still dependencies on other stuff in JDS, like GLib and DBus, though)
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[16:13:12] <gdamore> You can't remove rich's copyright at least!
[16:13:22] <Triskelios> gdamore: he actually approved that
[16:13:32] <Triskelios> since this is reverting his changes
[16:13:33] <gdamore> oh, ok. If he blessed it, ok.
[16:14:49] <Triskelios> for exception_lists, there are no references to those libraries or any of their dependents any more
[16:17:19] <Triskelios> I'm also amused libpq (PostgreSQL) is still there for some reason, but I didn't touch it
[16:18:33] <gdamore> ok....
[16:18:47] <gdamore> It *looks* good to me. I'd like richlowe to double check this if he's willing though.
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[16:24:41] <Triskelios> sure, I can run it by him again
[16:24:56] <gdamore> oh, if you've already run this whole cset by him, then I'm happy.
[16:25:12] <gdamore> My main concern is to make sure we aren't breaking anything by removing the VFS stuff.
[16:26:41] <Triskelios> the only libntfs consumers I am aware of are parted (ON), and gparted (JDS). the former doesn't use GNOME and the latter doesn't use GNOME VFS
[16:27:07] <gdamore> Ok. Sounds good.
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[16:27:32] <gdamore> I'm hoping someday we will be able to nuke libntfs altogether, and support in-kernel real NTFS support... but that's a bigger project. Much bigger. :-)
[16:28:05] <gdamore> You can use me as a code reviewer. You need to come back for RTI though. (Testing details, etc.)
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[16:33:26] <Triskelios> libntfs is only used for a few userspace tools, the "preferred" way to use NTFS is currently through the FUSE driver
[16:36:57] <Triskelios> anyway, build is clean, and loading the library works. I haven't onu'ed a zone yet
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[16:49:50] <richlowe> Triskelios: libpq was no doubt added with MMS, and not removed.
[16:50:44] <richlowe> sadly, Ali's check_rtime overhaul is in between, so blame isn't sure
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[16:51:45] <Triskelios> https://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=15739 confirms it
[16:51:45] <richlowe> Triskelios: Has your webrev changed since I was last happy?
[16:51:57] <Triskelios> nope, it hasn't changed for weeks
[16:53:22] <richlowe> Then yeah, I'm as happy as ever.
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[17:09:05] <Aram> alanc: am I mistaken in assuming XCB requires a recent X server? I see blastwave is providing libxcb packages for Solaris 8. Could those work?
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[17:09:37] <alanc> Aram: yes, that would be a mistake
[17:09:51] <alanc> as far as I know, xcb doesn't require anything newer than X11R1
[17:10:13] <alanc> it's a new binding layer to the X11 protocol, not new extensions
[17:10:33] <Aram> hmm.
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[17:17:00] <jkimball4> which package is libiconv in?
[17:17:13] <jkimball4> err maybe better question for #openindiana
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[19:13:41] <madwizard> So, I got myself a flu :)
[19:20:50] <jkimball4> don't let your disease infect the codebase
[19:21:09] <madwizard> I'm not that important developer to do this. :)
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[19:35:49] <madwizard> Tea
[19:36:00] <madwizard> I'll skip coffee thia time
[19:38:37] <joffe> HEY, I HAD TEA TOO JUST NOW
[19:38:40] <joffe> english breakfast
[19:38:42] <joffe> with honey
[19:39:24] <e^ipi> isn't english breakfast like the "caterer's blend" of tea?
[19:39:35] <e^ipi> random shit commodity tea thrown together
[19:39:54] <joffe> i don't know what it is
[19:39:58] <joffe> i just know it tastes good
[19:40:00] <e^ipi> exactly
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[19:40:30] <joffe> i have some green tea too
[19:40:36] <joffe> i only drink that when i feel like torturing myself
[19:41:27] <e^ipi> or if caterer's blend doesn't make any sense... something like "red wine" ... no description of origin or quality
[19:41:31] <e^ipi> aka, table plonk
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[19:52:19] <madwizard> khehehehe
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[19:56:04] <richlowe> in all of those cases, you need to separate that which is consumed purely for its intoxicant properties v. that consumed for pleasure.
[19:57:30] <e^ipi> and i'd argue most if not all "english breakfast" tea is consumed for the caffeine & derivatives... or to feel vaguely british
[19:58:29] <e^ipi> then again i care about what i put in my mouth a great deal more than many
[19:58:38] <joffe> i drink it cause i think it tastes good
[19:58:46] <joffe> no other reason :x
[19:59:17] <e^ipi> i suppose aesthetics really is a learned thing
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[20:01:54] <rkhshm> Does anyone speak malaysian here?
[20:08:16] <madwizard> richlowe: Any other bitsize bug for me? :
[20:08:27] <madwizard> So I can fix it for nbext two months? :)
[20:08:40] <madwizard> Khm
[20:08:44] <madwizard> 391 seem slike one
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[21:01:17] <Meths> Can someone with access mark #382 a dupe of #298 and #380 a dupe of #297 please.
[21:03:28] <Triskelios> done
[21:03:51] <Triskelios> should I close them a well?
[21:04:22] <Meths> Dunno, whatever the illumos policy is.
[21:04:38] <Meths> The bugs are still there preventing sparc builds
[21:05:57] <madwizard> I think it is a good practtice to close the dup. Someone closing the prior bug shouldn't be bothered to search the database to find all dupes
[21:06:09] <madwizard> Descriptions and names may not always be obvious
[21:08:20] <madwizard> Anyways
[21:08:25] <madwizard> Time to sleep off the fu
[21:08:27] <madwizard> g'night
[21:08:33] <madwizard> s/fu/flu/
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