May 29, 2019 
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May 29, 2019 [00:01:38] *** Addos <Addos!vision@nat/redhat/x-okxrohnsmmctbniz> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.10.3]: i've been blurred!)[00:04:28] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p200300E90F25BB00782427B3D376A25D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:16:23] *** bbanner <bbanner!~bbanner@2001:b07:a96:6e5d:8de0:fc5:3539:b63f> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:24:05] *** SpiceGuid <SpiceGuid!~chatzilla@alyon-158-1-45-252.w90-53.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [SeaMonkey 2.49.4/20180713174829])[00:30:57] <Vidrep_64> waddlesplash, any progress on the EHCI fixes? No poking, just curious ;)[00:31:57] <waddlesplash> no, I already said, I'm not touching EHCI[00:50:17] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!~dario@181.46.224.5> has joined #haiku[01:06:31] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@2.236.49.9> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[01:09:13] *** Vidrep_64 <Vidrep_64!~vision@d75-156-156-137.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.10.3]: i've been blurred!)[01:34:01] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@cpe-174-109-179-193.nc.res.rr.com> has joined #haiku[01:34:03] *** HaikuUser is now known as Addos[01:34:20] *** white-wolf <white-wolf!~white-wol@83.141.95.92.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[01:35:56] *** Guest85028 <Guest85028!~likevinyl@181.47.116.53> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1)[01:37:07] *** white-wolf <white-wolf!~white-wol@83.141.95.92.rev.sfr.net> has joined #haiku[02:04:18] <Addos> donated some money guys[02:05:00] <waddlesplash> Addos: :D[02:05:17] <Addos> Haiku is amazing, you guys are amazing[02:08:18] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@b157153.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[02:11:10] <mmu_man> :)[02:12:39] <Addos> :)[02:17:55] <King_Warg> hail haiku[02:18:50] *** white-wolf <white-wolf!~white-wol@83.141.95.92.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[02:33:04] *** nipsu <nipsu!d2975449@gateway/web/freenode/ip.210.151.84.73> has joined #haiku[02:33:20] *** nipsu <nipsu!d2975449@gateway/web/freenode/ip.210.151.84.73> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[02:53:34] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: reboot)[02:54:07] *** ClaudioM <ClaudioM!~ClaudioM@c-73-46-231-176.hsd1.fl.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[02:54:30] *** brj <brj!~iambrj@219.91.254.15> has joined #haiku[02:54:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v brj[03:04:20] *** ClaudioM <ClaudioM!~ClaudioM@c-73-46-231-176.hsd1.fl.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[03:32:15] *** Forza <Forza!~Forza@unaffiliated/forza> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[03:43:36] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has quit IRC ()[03:47:49] *** Forza <Forza!~Forza@unaffiliated/forza> has joined #haiku[04:02:01] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@b157153.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[04:18:22] *** Glider_IRC__ <Glider_IRC__!~Glider_IR@37.169.73.220> has joined #haiku[04:22:23] *** Glider_IRC_ <Glider_IRC_!~Glider_IR@37.171.172.9> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[04:34:24] *** ugen <ugen!uid218792@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aatfkykomdwarjyp> has joined #haiku[04:35:04] *** Glider_IRC__ <Glider_IRC__!~Glider_IR@37.169.73.220> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[04:57:14] *** Addos <Addos!~vision@cpe-174-109-179-193.nc.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[05:10:49] *** dogcow <dogcow!~dogcow@freebsd/user/dogcow> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[05:20:37] *** Prognoz <Prognoz!~Prognoz@181.231.204.129> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[05:26:23] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!~bbjimmy@host-67-44-192-19.hnremote.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[05:27:12] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!~dario@181.46.224.5> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[05:46:38] *** dr_evil <dr_evil!~marcus@200116b802b6d2000ec47afffe6ccace.dip.versatel-1u1.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 259 seconds)[05:48:05] *** dr_evil <dr_evil!~marcus@200116b802fd51000ec47afffe6ccace.dip.versatel-1u1.de> has joined #haiku[06:08:33] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!~bbjimmy@host-67-44-192-19.hnremote.net> has joined #haiku[06:25:06] <IIsi50MHz> Hail, King_Warg[06:27:17] * IIsi50MHz waits patiently for Phoenix password reset email, having only minutes ago made the mistake of clicking in the password box of the Phoenix client (causing it to delete) and then realising he dusn know what it should be[06:29:06] <IIsi50MHz> In the mean time, discovered I still have a flash drive with miniaim v0.3.3150b. Just 64 KB![06:36:32] *** cypa[m] <cypa[m]!cypamatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-rddjharjgbbshacv> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:36:32] *** devyl <devyl!devylmatri@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-pvkwytinhomtiwjf> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:36:33] *** harshjain[m] <harshjain[m]!harshjainm@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ixusrmwqsbfeabgx> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:36:36] *** leorize[m] <leorize[m]!leorizepri@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-hctjtjuxgtwoohuq> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:36:54] *** RasmusRendal[m] <RasmusRendal[m]!rasmusrend@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-gbwieseyuoefzngi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:36:58] *** dcro[m] <dcro[m]!dcromatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-hicgwuhycigvygwd> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:37:01] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@2.236.49.9> has joined #haiku[06:37:02] *** leer10matrixorg[ 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#haiku[08:13:32] *** leorize_ <leorize_!~leorize@gateway/tor-sasl/leorize> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[08:22:32] *** leorize_ <leorize_!~leorize@gateway/tor-sasl/leorize> has joined #haiku[08:32:09] <Rajagopalan> Hey everybody![08:32:20] <leorize_> hi Rajagopalan[08:32:30] <Rajagopalan> hey leorize_[08:32:34] <Rajagopalan> whats up![08:32:36] <Rajagopalan> ?*[08:33:02] <leorize_> nothing much, back at debugging Haiku :p[08:33:17] <Rajagopalan> wonderful ![08:33:35] <Rajagopalan> hows libuv coming along?[08:34:19] <leorize_> test failures, as usual :p[08:38:31] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[08:39:51] *** leorize_ <leorize_!~leorize@gateway/tor-sasl/leorize> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.3)[08:40:15] *** leorize_ <leorize_!~leorize@gateway/tor-sasl/leorize> has joined #haiku[08:40:56] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p200300DF7F4A7C0030E2B39C8D85A919.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[08:42:34] *** stippi 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joined #haiku[14:44:40] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!vision@nat/redhat/x-voxaucvdshsoonyr> has joined #haiku[14:44:40] *** HaikuUser is now known as Addos[14:45:33] *** Prognoz <Prognoz!~Prognoz@181.231.204.129> has joined #haiku[14:45:34] <Addos> are the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of haiku maintained with separate codebases? I notice that haiku3d runs in white with the 64bit version, but in color with the 32bit version. And gl teapot allows me to move and re-orient with the 32bit version, but not with the 64bit version[14:46:17] <Addos> the 64bit version of gl teapot also has the pixel distortions when windows are over it, that the 32bit version doesn't seem to have[14:47:00] <Addos> mandlebrot doesn't even seem to render for me with the 64bit version, but it renders with the 32bit version[14:55:40] *** brj__ <brj__!~iambrj@123.201.163.68> has joined #haiku[14:57:59] *** iambrj <iambrj!~iambrj@219.91.254.114> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[15:04:29] <leorize[m]> we use the same codebase[15:05:17] <leorize[m]> but unlike most os, a lot of devs seem to favor the 32 bit version so they are better tested.[15:05:56] <leorize[m]> Addos: have you filed issues for these bugs?[15:06:12] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@217.153.177.152> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[15:14:27] *** ClaudioM <ClaudioM!~ClaudioM@168.221.158.55> has joined #haiku[15:18:26] <Addos> leorize[m] not yet[15:18:32] <Addos> was curious if I was the only one seeing these issues[15:18:33] <waddlesplash> leorize[m]: Addos: as I already said Mandelbrot issue is known and has a tentative patch, it's use of uninitialized memory[15:18:40] <Addos> oh[15:19:00] <waddlesplash> Addos, Haiku3D issue is probably because we use two totally different versions of Mesa[15:19:04] <Addos> this is the first time I was comparing 32bit to 64bit[15:19:20] <Addos> to see if there are any differences[15:19:27] <waddlesplash> on GCC2 builds, Mesa 7.9, on all other builds including 64 bit, Mesa 18[15:19:40] <waddlesplash> so we may be using some feature Mesa long since deprecated[15:19:49] <waddlesplash> and nobody bothered to update Haiku3D yet[15:20:05] <Addos> yeah, but even gl teapot acts differently too[15:20:42] <Addos> at first I thought I was imagining the differences, until I realized it came down to whether I was using a 32bit or 64bit build[15:22:46] <Addos> waddlesplash thanks for the updates. I could create issues for these things, if you felt it was worth it[15:23:44] <waddlesplash> Addos, Mesa is the OpenGL backend[15:24:07] <waddlesplash> so all apps that use OpenGL or pretty much any 3D graphics will be affected by that difference[15:24:40] <waddlesplash> Addos, I think there's tickets already for Haiku3D and GLTeapot[15:25:57] <Addos> ok[15:26:11] <Addos> I guess as long as someone is aware of it, I won't worry about it too much[15:26:21] <Addos> I guess I should revert back to a 32bit build for a better experience, until that is fixed[15:28:04] <Addos> thanks for your help leorize[m] and waddlesplash[15:28:30] <waddlesplash> Addos not really[15:28:38] <waddlesplash> 64 bit is much more stable at this point[15:28:46] <waddlesplash> and there's more apps in the depot for it[15:29:00] <Addos> oh interesting, yeah, I just prefer to run 64bit on a 64bit processor[15:29:06] <waddlesplash> these bugs are in Haiku's built in apps, really[15:29:14] *** mmu_man 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<matthewstar> if radius = 3 ...[20:11:32] <matthewstar> draw a triangle?[20:12:04] *** InsideLobbying <InsideLobbying!~Mutter@p57B5FDC0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:12:26] *** King_Warg <King_Warg!~Wildman@184-15-23-215.dr01.chtn.wv.frontiernet.net> has joined #haiku[20:13:27] *** Hasi <Hasi!~Mutter@p57B5FDC0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[20:15:48] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has joined #haiku[20:18:34] *** Hasi <Hasi!~Mutter@p57B5FDC0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:42:51] *** preetpal <preetpal!~preetpal@124.253.94.157> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:44:20] *** King_Warg <King_Warg!~Wildman@184-15-23-215.dr01.chtn.wv.frontiernet.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[20:45:39] *** King_Warg <King_Warg!~Wildman@50.110.102.142> has joined #haiku[20:52:10] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@unaffiliated/gouchi> has joined #haiku[20:54:11] *** bos20k <bos20k!~bos20k@50-198-103-109-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye.)[21:02:55] *** brj__ <brj__!~iambrj@123.201.163.68> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[21:15:57] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p200300E90F1B3B00AD20359FE614703D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: stippi)[21:17:59] *** Hasi <Hasi!~Mutter@p57B5FDC0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[21:18:50] *** Hasi <Hasi!~Mutter@p57B5FDC0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:18:54] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[21:19:07] *** bbanner <bbanner!~bbanner@2001:b07:a96:6e5d:fd25:ef8:a74e:f0ad> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:19:42] *** Hasi <Hasi!~Mutter@p57B5FDC0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[21:19:58] <Hasi> Hello everyone![21:21:16] *** Hasi is now known as Lobbyist[21:21:44] <Lobbyist> Can I ask you a question?[21:23:35] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@aclermont-ferrand-651-1-319-121.w90-9.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:25:04] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@aclermont-ferrand-651-1-319-121.w90-9.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #haiku[21:32:20] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[21:40:48] <bbjimmy> Lobbyist nobody can answer if you don't ask.[21:41:14] <Lobbyist> You are right. So:[21:41:24] *** matthewstar <matthewstar!0225f848@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.2.37.248.72> has left #haiku[21:43:19] <Lobbyist> My father in law is 80 years old and complains about his laptop being too slow. It’s running Windows 10. it’s 6 years old. All he uses is mail and World Wide Web. Would he be better if using Haiku?[21:44:48] <extrowerk> don't think so[21:44:56] <waddlesplash> Haiku uses a whole bunch of different paradigms to Windows[21:45:06] <waddlesplash> and our web browsing support is not the greatest[21:45:23] <waddlesplash> so, unless he is a former technologist, I wouldn't recommend it[21:45:38] <Lobbyist> I see. Thank you.[21:46:16] <extrowerk> buy him a new laptop, or try to extend the current (more ram, cpu, cleanup, reinstall even), or try a lightweight distrib, with simple ui.[21:46:45] <Lobbyist> I suppose I’ll play with it without the „excuse“ of finding something for him.[21:47:24] <Lobbyist> When you say distrib do you mean Linux?[21:47:39] <extrowerk> yep[21:48:32] <Lobbyist> I haven’t used Linux for a while. Which one would you recommend as being close to windows (Ui wise)?[21:48:46] <extrowerk> sorry, but currently Haiku is not in the state of be a realistic alternative for quality, and carefree web-content consumption[21:50:02] <Lobbyist> (I used to be a big fan of BeOS, even used it for work. I look forward to the day Haiku is ready.)[21:52:01] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@89-64-22-187.dynamic.chello.pl> has joined #haiku[21:52:21] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@89-64-22-187.dynamic.chello.pl> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:55:10] *** leorize <leorize!~leorize@gateway/tor-sasl/leorize> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:55:39] *** leorize <leorize!~leorize@gateway/tor-sasl/leorize> has joined #haiku[21:56:54] <waddlesplash> Lobbyist: if you are technically inclined we are basically there[21:57:06] <waddlesplash> i.e. existing Linux users should mostly be at home[21:59:10] <Lobbyist> :) Next vacations I’ll try to install Haiku on an old MacBook just to see what’s possible.[22:03:04] *** HAIKU-irker961 <HAIKU-irker961!~irker@walter.haiku-os.org> has quit IRC (Quit: transmission timeout)[22:08:52] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[22:08:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[22:19:04] *** Vidrep_64 <Vidrep_64!~vision@d75-156-156-137.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[22:20:15] *** ClaudioM <ClaudioM!~ClaudioM@168.221.158.55> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[22:20:44] *** Lucas_Gray <Lucas_Gray!~Wryhder@41.190.3.210> has joined #haiku[22:26:02] *** Lucas_Gray <Lucas_Gray!~Wryhder@41.190.3.210> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[22:27:18] <DebianTUX> does anyone knows http://www.retroguru.com/? they claim to port games for haiku. trying, but unable to run so far due to libsdl problems[22:28:47] *** Lobbyist <Lobbyist!~Mutter@p57B5FDC0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:30:06] <mmu_man> didn't know[22:30:45] *** vezhlys <vezhlys!~vezhlys@84.240.4.146> has joined #haiku[22:30:46] *** Lucas_Gray <Lucas_Gray!~Wryhder@41.190.3.210> has joined #haiku[22:31:17] <mmu_man> DebianTUX: which kind of problem?[22:31:21] <mmu_man> what error do you get?[22:32:06] <DebianTUX> missing libraries libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0[22:32:14] <DebianTUX> already installed sdl_mixer[22:32:19] <DebianTUX> and sdl_sound :P[22:32:23] <mmu_man> you need the _devel package[22:32:32] <DebianTUX> oh[22:32:37] <mmu_man> gcc searches for libs elsewhere than the runtime path[22:32:45] <mmu_man> and the headers are in the devel package also[22:34:05] <mmu_man> see https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/blob/master/games-arcade/hermes_game/hermes_game-1.02.recipe[22:34:38] <mmu_man> oh, this looks wrong btw[22:35:05] <mmu_man> BUILD_REQUIRES should have the devel: ones[22:35:56] *** Lobbyist <Lobbyist!~Mutter@p57B5FDC0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[22:37:18] <mmu_man> ugh oh, is this downloading prebuilt binaries??[22:39:00] <mmu_man> DebianTUX: the source is not available??[22:39:07] <DebianTUX> sorry the delay[22:39:11] <DebianTUX> downloading only binaries[22:39:24] <DebianTUX> i took so long to answer because it worked :P[22:39:35] <DebianTUX> installed sdl_mixer_x86_devel package and it works[22:39:46] <mmu_man> then I suppose our libsdl is too recent and the package doesn't have the .so.0 anymore[22:41:36] <mmu_man> hmm, the devel should not be required then[22:41:48] <DebianTUX> oh gosh, anyway, this made my day and a developer who worked with them who is my friend here at work[22:42:25] <DebianTUX> mmu_man it seems the developer of this port specificaly isn`t accessible, his github doesnt exists anymore[22:43:02] *** Lobbyist <Lobbyist!~Mutter@p57B5FDC0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:44:47] <DebianTUX> are _x86 packages the 32 bit version?[22:50:23] <mmu_man> both are 32bit[22:50:32] <mmu_man> the _x86 ones are compiled with latest gcc[22:50:44] <mmu_man> instead of gcc 2.95[22:52:02] <DebianTUX> oh, must be the recomended package to choose then, right?[22:52:47] <DebianTUX> the game worked with the _x86 package (actualy I didn`t checked the depended package was actualy installed)[22:53:48] <mmu_man> ah so that's probably why it didn't work[22:54:01] <mmu_man> you probably didn't have the corresponding libsdl_mixer[22:54:31] <mmu_man> sdl_mixer_x86_devel installed sdl_mixer_x86 as well[23:01:12] <Addos> haiku is already more polished than most linux distros[23:07:53] <DebianTUX> people here going crazy about an old atom netbook that both runs haiku AND games :P[23:08:30] <DebianTUX> and scared that there is a channel where i ask a question and get answers about some crazy OS in a matter of seconds[23:11:42] <Addos> :)[23:12:21] <mmu_man> :)[23:13:36] <DebianTUX> the stackoverflow generation...[23:16:25] *** Nozy <Nozy!~The@ppp59-167-194-69.static.internode.on.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[23:17:42] <Addos> ha[23:18:31] *** Lucas_Gray <Lucas_Gray!~Wryhder@41.190.3.210> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:21:03] *** Lucas_Gray <Lucas_Gray!~Wryhder@41.190.3.210> has joined #haiku[23:22:41] <DebianTUX> bye guys, be back tomorow with new random noob questions. thank you all as aways[23:25:00] <Addos> have a good day[23:26:19] <DebianTUX> you too![23:26:21] *** DebianTUX <DebianTUX!~vision@200.216.75.10> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.10.3]: i've been blurred!)[23:29:38] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@aclermont-ferrand-651-1-319-121.w90-9.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.10.3]: i've been blurred!)[23:41:02] *** bbanner <bbanner!~bbanner@2001:b07:a96:6e5d:c19b:b08a:2558:ce32> has joined #haiku[23:44:00] *** white-wolf <white-wolf!~white-wol@83.141.95.92.rev.sfr.net> has joined #haiku[23:46:52] *** tsundoku <tsundoku!~tsundoku@irc.tsundoku.ne.jp> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)