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[00:34:31] <nepugia_> anyhow, thanks for the qemu tip, am running the system of the usb now
[00:35:22] <mmu_man> https://i18n.kacperkasper.pl/projects/26
[00:35:28] <mmu_man> ThemeManager :
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[01:03:56] <jjpx> mmu_man, may I have translation perms?
[01:04:09] <HaikuUser> any way to see if haiku loaded acpi drivers or such?
[01:06:12] <Vidrep_64> waddlesplash, I know WebPositive isn't your thing, but an issue I see is the DL window opens when Web+ is launched - annoying
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[01:06:48] <HaikuUser> (asking since i cannot control the backlight with the brightness keys on the keyboard)
[01:06:59] <Vidrep_64> It should only open when you are actually doing a DL, no?
[01:07:37] <jjpx> HaikuUser, does it show the battery?
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[01:08:58] <HaikuUser> it does now after i installed the applet thingy
[01:10:47] <jjpx> well, then acpi is working
[01:11:13] <HaikuUser> okay, what can i do about the backlight then?
[01:11:41] <jjpx> check if you are on vesa
[01:12:04] <HaikuUser> how do i go about that? the resolution looks correct
[01:13:02] <jjpx> about system
[01:13:08] <jjpx> on the leaf menu
[01:14:31] <HaikuUser> i dont see any menu in about haiku, it doesn't say anything about vesa
[01:14:55] <Maylay> Preferences > Screen
[01:15:07] <Maylay> should say what you are using there
[01:15:09] <jjpx> ups, wrong menu
[01:15:32] <HaikuUser> it sais 'Intel GMA (I965GM)'
[01:15:36] <Maylay> about haiku only shows CPU, memory, hrev, haiku credits ;-P
[01:15:45] <Maylay> so you are not on vesa, that's good
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[01:15:48] <HaikuUser> it has a brightness slider too, doesn't do anything sadly
[01:15:53] <Maylay> ah
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[01:16:06] <jjpx> that is a bug
[01:16:18] <mmu_man> jjpx: I think you just need to create an account there
[01:16:32] <jjpx> mmu_man, i have
[01:16:38] <jjpx> same name
[01:16:43] <mmu_man> ah, maybe have to wait for kapix then
[01:16:46] <mmu_man> it's his site
[01:16:57] <HaikuUser> backlight on laptops never works for me heh, is there something else to try? or is it just not supported for now
[01:17:17] <jjpx> it works on some plattforms
[01:17:37] <HaikuUser> i ment in relation to the hardware i have now, not in generall
[01:18:01] <HaikuUser> it's a rather old lenovo laptop
[01:18:11] <mmu_man> at least I don't have admin rights to grant you any access
[01:18:41] <jjpx> HaikuUser, you can look for duplicate bugs on trac and report if there are none
[01:19:01] <jjpx> mmu_man, ty
[01:19:29] <HaikuUser> so, as far as debugging goes nothing to do okay, i can look at the bug racker later
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[01:22:36] <jjpx> if that slider does not work there is nothing else you can do as an user, but if you debug further "patches wolecome"
[01:22:40] <jjpx> *welcome
[01:23:07] <nepugia_> jjpx: i wouldn't know where to debug, so eh :)
[01:23:43] <nepugia_> (also interesting that haiku enabled the bluetooth of that device, yet i found no way to actually use it, kind of a waste of power in that case)
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[01:42:14] <waddlesplash> nepugia: open Bluetooth preference
[01:42:29] <waddlesplash> it may fail to load for unrelated reasons though
[01:43:41] <nepugia> waddlesplash: must have missed that
[01:44:04] <nepugia> tells me that the service wasn't running which is fine i suppose, dont understand why it gets enabled then though :)
[01:44:35] <waddlesplash> because the wifi driver probably enabled it
[01:44:46] <waddlesplash> and the Bluetooth control driver didn't disable it
[01:44:47] <nepugia> ah :/
[01:45:59] <nepugia> bluetooth settings sais it can't find a bluetooth device
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[02:52:50] <mmu_man> https://www.zdnet.com/article/researchers-discover-and-abuse-new-undocumented-feature-in-intel-chipsets/
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[04:05:59] <Oishika> I'm trying to work on this issue, any help on direction to proceed will be appreciated! https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/5247
[04:15:08] <mmu_man> hi, most devs are in Europe, and it's quite late night here
[04:16:45] <mmu_man> Oishika: did you find Tracker sources yet?
[04:17:33] <jjpx> i'd start playing with [add|cat|list|rm]attr tools included in Haiku to see how attributes are used through the system
[04:18:55] <jjpx> to follow up with the suggestion proposed in the ticket
[04:19:12] <nepugia_> mmu_man: don't you mean, quite early :D
[04:19:42] <mmu_man> well considering I'm not in bed yet…
[04:19:44] <mmu_man> but whichever
[04:20:34] <mmu_man> you might also have a look at src/bin/trash.cpp
[04:20:53] <mmu_man> which does trash like Tracker but in the shell
[04:21:16] <mmu_man> trashed files already get an extra attribute for the previous path
[04:25:25] <mmu_man> oh, actually, adding this attribute at trash time should update the ctime lready, does it?
[04:25:31] <mmu_man> not sure
[04:25:34] <mmu_man> anyway, zz
[04:26:42] <nepugia_> night
[04:27:10] <jjpx> is there any size limit for attributes? or may they be several mb long?
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[04:44:30] <mmu_man> jjpx: in theory no, on BFS. They have the same limits as files. But most other FS have very small limits
[04:44:53] <mmu_man> it's 1 block (2kB) for all xattrs per inode in ext3 IIRC
[04:45:14] <mmu_man> …I said I was sleeping…
[04:45:39] <mmu_man> but it's a bad idea to use attributes for large data anyway
[04:45:44] <jjpx> thanks for that sleeptalking
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[04:49:47] <Oishika> I had a look at trash.cpp so will now try to check tracker
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[07:18:32] <Rajagopalan> hey guys!
[07:18:39] <LapsangS> hi
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[07:21:16] <Rajagopalan> I request all the haikuites to review my gsoc proposal draft and let me know where i can improve it :)
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[07:35:23] <Rajagopalan> I have submitted the draft in gsoc site itself
[07:35:28] <Rajagopalan> :)
[07:35:41] <Rajagopalan> Please everyone take a look thank you :)
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[07:39:07] <King_Warg> apt-get install bacon
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[07:59:04] <leorize> Rajagopalan: any links? :)
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[08:09:54] <Rajagopalan> well i have uploaded to the official gsoc page.
[08:10:01] <Rajagopalan> anyways heres the link leorize
[08:10:26] <Rajagopalan> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wN_KuA-1UUiZBcmCIY97golFnpXatIv87Jm8JBpQNqA/edit?usp=sharing
[08:10:42] <Rajagopalan> :)
[08:12:45] <leorize> It's "GitHub", not "Git Hub" ;)
[08:13:19] <leorize> also, the font size is rather too large
[08:13:42] <leorize> I'd prefer using the "standard" 12px font size
[08:14:12] <leorize> it allows more text to fit into small 1366x768 screens :p
[08:15:52] <leorize> also, while listing your projects is cool, listing them in the same section as your patches torward the project is not so much :P
[08:16:18] <leorize> give them their own section!
[08:18:53] <leorize> Rajagopalan: That's about every suggestion I could give :) g'luck with GSoC
[08:19:56] <Rajagopalan> wow leorize
[08:20:00] <Rajagopalan> Thank you so much
[08:20:06] <Rajagopalan> will correct them right away
[08:20:09] <Rajagopalan> :)
[08:22:51] <B2IT> (bbjimmy) Rajagopalan https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/usage/learnt-vs-learned
[08:24:07] <B2IT> (bbjimmy) Since google is a US org, I suggest ueing learned.
[08:24:26] <Rajagopalan> Wow that makes sense B2IT
[08:26:15] <bbjimmy> B2IT id a bot for connecting #haiku to beshare.
[08:27:36] <Rajagopalan> thank you so much bbjimmy leorize
[08:27:43] <Rajagopalan> i have updated the draft accordingly
[08:28:05] <Rajagopalan> check if it is ok now?
[08:28:10] <Rajagopalan> thank you very much guys :)
[08:30:30] <leorize> it certainly looks nicer now :)
[08:30:48] <B2IT> (bbjimmy) :)
[08:32:10] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://git.io/fjkSo
[08:32:12] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] hanya 7b1c18b - mozc: bump version (#3734)
[08:41:30] <Rajagopalan> thank you guys!
[08:41:42] <Rajagopalan> for the valuable feedback
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[11:26:20] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/fjkQr
[11:26:21] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes e115665 - Colobot: fix deadlock on start (disable vsync)
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[11:30:16] <HAIKU-irker831> haiku.master: korli * hrev53022 [1 commit] https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=f10ebdb1f740+%5Ead38b80fd522
[11:30:17] <HAIKU-irker831> f10ebdb1f740: btrfs
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[14:19:02] <abhinav___> waddlesplash: Any easy bugs in USB drivers?
[14:19:02] <abhinav___> I could'nt find any.
[14:19:02] <abhinav___> Can you please suggest some bug?
[14:20:30] <waddlesplash> hmm
[14:20:41] <waddlesplash> maybe some of the USB HID issues?
[14:20:48] <waddlesplash> like touchscreens not clicking
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[14:31:42] <abhinav___> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12783
[14:31:52] <abhinav___> What about this one?
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[15:29:29] <waddlesplash> abhinav___: that's a stack driver ticket, much more difficult, but you are welcome to try
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[16:36:26] <Rajagopalan> hey guys
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[16:37:14] <Rajagopalan> cc1plus : out of memory allocating 239624 bytes after a total of 277397504 bytes
[16:37:38] <Rajagopalan> cmake is running out of memory for debug build of webkit
[16:37:49] <waddlesplash> use less jobs?
[16:37:55] <Rajagopalan> can anyone tell me how to solve it
[16:46:09] <Rajagopalan> thank you so much waddlesplash :)
[16:46:17] <Rajagopalan> well lets see if it works
[16:49:39] <mmu_man> make sure you don't have some build process that didn't exit for some reason
[16:49:46] <mmu_man> I recall seeing this some years ago
[16:49:50] <mmu_man> hopefully it's fixed now
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[16:51:20] <Rajagopalan> well i have reduced no jobs
[16:51:26] <Rajagopalan> if its not successful
[16:51:31] <Rajagopalan> i will try a reboot
[16:51:38] <Rajagopalan> and perform the build again
[16:51:43] <Rajagopalan> :)
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[17:03:52] <Rajagopalan> well the solutions are not working :(
[17:04:07] <Rajagopalan> i have 8 gigs of ram
[17:04:20] <Rajagopalan> and 2.33 gigs of swap memory
[17:04:27] <Rajagopalan> tried using only 1 core
[17:04:32] <Rajagopalan> yet not working :(
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[17:07:04] <jjpx> strange it fails allocating only 280mb
[17:07:39] <Rajagopalan> yeah i know right
[17:07:42] <Rajagopalan> :(
[17:13:11] <waddlesplash> probably because our heap implementation is stupid
[17:13:25] <waddlesplash> and has trouble with heaps larger than 2GB
[17:13:39] <Rajagopalan> well it is just less than 280mb
[17:14:23] <Rajagopalan> :(
[17:14:26] <Rajagopalan> any workaround?
[17:14:28] <waddlesplash> "after a total of 277397504 "
[17:14:35] <waddlesplash> you are near 2GB of actual usage though
[17:15:27] <jjpx> would cross compiling from linux work?
[17:15:56] <Rajagopalan> well i highly doubt
[17:16:11] <Rajagopalan> as it requires haiku libraries and headers to be present
[17:16:20] <Rajagopalan> can we provide it from outside too?
[17:16:30] <waddlesplash> we really just need to switch heaps
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[17:26:55] <Rajagopalan> is this a problem with our gcc version?
[17:28:05] <waddlesplash> no, we just need a better heap that can handle more than 2GB
[17:28:48] <Rajagopalan> so debug build requires more memory than release build?
[17:28:57] <waddlesplash> yes
[17:29:37] <Rajagopalan> well so i will check if any settings i can make to use it less heap
[17:30:11] <PulkoMandy> hi
[17:30:17] <Rajagopalan> hi
[17:30:26] <PulkoMandy> Rajagopalan: does debug build uses unified sources like the release one? you may need to disable that
[17:30:49] <Rajagopalan> well even the release version uses unified sources right?
[17:32:20] <Rajagopalan> the debug build also uses unified sources
[17:32:31] <Rajagopalan> and that is where it fails
[17:33:30] <PulkoMandy> yes, unified sources are a merge of several files together
[17:33:42] <PulkoMandy> it builds faster (because it parses headers less often), but it uses more memory
[17:33:47] <PulkoMandy> and debug builds also use mor ememory
[17:33:54] <PulkoMandy> so if you can disable unified sources, it may work
[17:34:30] <Rajagopalan> should i find it out?
[17:34:43] <Rajagopalan> ok i will disable and try then
[17:34:48] <Rajagopalan> :)
[17:38:55] <Rajagopalan> brb guys!
[17:44:01] <jjpx> but split sources should compile faster if doing distributed compiling?
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[17:50:09] <Begasus> g'afternoon peeps
[17:51:16] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] KapiX pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/fjkx4
[17:51:17] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] KapiX e0256bc - koder: bump version
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[18:00:24] <shubhu> hello everyone
[18:00:58] <Begasus> hi shubhu
[18:05:38] <shubhu> i am interested to work on a project in this organization during this gsoc
[18:06:59] <shubhu> can i get any individual format of proposal for this organization or we use my own format of proposal
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[18:08:41] <abhinav___> Hi shubhu! I'm applying for gsoc this year as well.
[18:08:41] <abhinav___> This( https://www.haiku-os.org/community/gsoc/2019/students ) contains answers to all your queries
[18:09:13] <PulkoMandy> yes, indeed :)
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[18:15:24] <Begas_VBox> hi PulkoMandy, is there a gs file somewhere to download and check in BGhostView? (Google isn't really helpful atm) :)
[18:16:54] <PulkoMandy> Begas_VBox: there are some here: http://www.o3one.org/hwdocs/openfirmware/IEEE%201275%20Open%20Firmware%20Home%20Page.htm
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[18:18:06] <Rajagopalan> hey begasus
[18:18:43] <Begas_VBox> hi Rajagopalan
[18:18:46] <Rajagopalan> pulkomandy will look a way to disable the unified sources now
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[18:20:23] <shubhu> thanks abhinav but i already rea all things
[18:21:19] <Begas_VBox> server not found on the postscript links :/
[18:21:40] <PulkoMandy> I downloaded from that page like 1 month ago
[18:22:24] <PulkoMandy> mh, maybe from another mirror
[18:22:36] <PulkoMandy> https://www.devicetree.org/open-firmware/home.html ?
[18:23:19] <abhinav___> shubhu: You might have missed this then https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/4GXcsXYm/toirc.png
[18:24:17] <shubhu> hmmm i think i am missed it
[18:24:46] <abhinav___> shubhu: It's fine.
[18:24:46] <abhinav___> All the best
[18:24:55] <shubhu> thankyou
[18:28:16] <Begas_VBox> no luck on loading the .ps files here
[18:28:31] <PulkoMandy> works for me
[18:28:43] <PulkoMandy> I just double click them and BGhostView runs and loads them
[18:28:46] <Begas_VBox> downloaded a couple
[18:28:50] <PulkoMandy> what version of ghostscript do you have?
[18:28:54] <PulkoMandy> (do you even have one?)
[18:29:08] <Begas_VBox> last checkout (master branch)
[18:29:25] <PulkoMandy> of ghostscript, not BGhostView
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[18:29:46] <Begas_VBox> ah :)
[18:29:52] <Begas_VBox> hi humdinger!
[18:30:05] <humdinger> hullo everybody
[18:30:21] <shubhu> hiii
[18:30:30] <Rajagopalan> hello :)
[18:30:33] <Begas_VBox> ghostscript8_x86-8.14-2-x86_gcc2.hpkg
[18:31:22] <PulkoMandy> you need ghostscript_gpl (version 9)
[18:33:19] <Begas_VBox> bumping
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[18:34:24] <Begas_VBox> do they interfere with each other? (have both version installed, maybe need to rebuild)
[18:34:57] <PulkoMandy> the devel packages do, yes
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[18:37:04] <Begas_VBox> installed the new one (also _devel) didn't collide with the previous version (atleast it didn't mention a removal)
[18:37:30] <Begas_VBox> something is happening atleast now after manual removal of the older packages
[18:41:30] <Begas_VBox> gonna reboot to check, cpu is running almost at max after just starting BGhostView
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[18:48:48] <Begas_VBox> trying to rebuild with the new one installed gives me an error (/boot/home/Desktop/BGhostView-master/src/BPSWidget.cpp:95: undefined reference to `gsdll_init')
[18:50:32] <PulkoMandy> gsdll does not exist
[18:50:42] <PulkoMandy> now are you sure you have the latest BGhostView sources?
[18:51:19] <PulkoMandy> ah
[18:51:20] <Begas_VBox> downloaded the zip from github, so should be the latest version available (unofficial)
[18:51:23] <PulkoMandy> I forgot to push some changes :s
[18:51:29] <Begas_VBox> ;)
[18:51:30] <PulkoMandy> you can try again now
[18:51:44] <Begas_VBox> redownload master?
[18:51:56] <PulkoMandy> yes
[18:54:55] <Begas_VBox> ok, build ok now (and didn't need Xpm now)
[18:55:39] <Begas_VBox> now it works, thanks PulkoMandy!
[18:55:57] <Begas_VBox> loading the .ps files work now
[18:56:30] <Begas_VBox> could look into creating a recipe for BGhostView, but then without the icons atm
[18:56:48] <Begas_VBox> biab
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[19:32:18] <Rajagopalan> huh pulkomandy
[19:32:27] <Rajagopalan> it seems if we disable unified sources
[19:32:31] <Rajagopalan> JSC wont compile
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[19:33:36] <PulkoMandy> quite likely some missing includes
[19:33:54] <Rajagopalan> well it is compiling
[19:34:07] <Rajagopalan> i will let u know whats the problem in the morning
[19:34:08] <Rajagopalan> :)
[19:35:04] <Rajagopalan> well exam tommorow
[19:35:07] <Rajagopalan> so let me sleep
[19:36:00] <PulkoMandy> good night :)
[19:36:40] <Rajagopalan> good night !:
[19:36:42] <Rajagopalan> :)*
[19:37:02] <Begasus> g'night Rajagopalan :)
[19:37:23] <Rajagopalan> gute nacht begasus
[19:38:29] <Begasus> "Goede nacht" (I"m Belgium, not German) ;)
[19:38:53] <Rajagopalan> oops lol
[19:39:24] <Rajagopalan> pulkomandy whats the limit for an application?
[19:39:27] <Begasus> np, I understand German also :)
[19:39:28] <Rajagopalan> memory limit
[19:39:44] <PulkoMandy> about 2 to 3GB on 32bit systems
[19:40:53] <Rajagopalan> ok !
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[19:50:24] <brj> Hey PulkoMandy! I had updated my GSoC proposal (btrfs write supports), could you please provide some feedback?
[19:50:40] <brj> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rRi3g4QRxMxp4bMFBHmntn0Vnm09A3C6tkyHFUYBsI0/edit
[19:52:56] <PulkoMandy> did you submit it to the Google website yet?
[19:53:12] <PulkoMandy> you can submit your draft there, so all mentors can locate it easily and review it
[19:56:49] <brj> Oh I see. That does indeed sound convenient. Will share.....
[19:56:58] <PulkoMandy> thanks :)
[19:56:59] <brj> Done
[19:57:07] <PulkoMandy> it's hard to keep track of all the URLs otherwise
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[19:57:23] <PulkoMandy> fixing some problems with my mailbox today, but I'll try to look later or tomorrow
[19:57:42] <brj> Ok thank you :)
[19:58:02] <PulkoMandy> did you ask Hy Che review? He is not very active here but he was the last one to touch the btrfs code and replied to some of your emails
[19:58:14] <PulkoMandy> ask him for advice on the proposal and patches if he has time for that
[19:59:20] <brj> Yes, he did reply to my emails, will ask him
[19:59:58] <brj> Also, your feedback on the initial draft was quite helpful
[20:00:02] <brj> Thanks for that :)
[20:16:26] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/fjkjM
[20:16:27] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys 754da39 - LibreOffice: bump version
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[20:29:23] <Begasus> food now, PR created for BGhostview PulkoMandy :)
[20:30:12] <Begasus> not checked on x86_64 so if you're there it would be nice if you could check :)
[20:30:18] <Begasus> biab
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[20:41:19] <extrowerk> Begasus: plop
[20:42:14] <Begasus> peep extrowerk
[20:42:35] <Begasus> did you check the suggestions made for quazip?
[20:43:24] <extrowerk> if you solves an issue you can write in the PR description at github :"closes #1234" replace 1234 with the actual issue number, so the issue will be automatically closed if the PR gets merged
[20:43:32] <extrowerk> just a small tip
[20:43:46] <Begasus> it's not my PR :)
[20:44:08] <extrowerk> i think you even can use "fixes" or "solves" too instead of "closes"
[20:44:15] <Begasus> but yeah, I could close the issue (after you checked if it's ok) :)
[20:44:24] <extrowerk> you mean "emacs" was not yours?
[20:44:47] <Begasus> emacs is closed (I think - atleast it got merged)
[20:46:02] <Begasus> issue for emacs is closed also
[20:47:08] <Begasus> next in line would be quazip (should be ok with the suggestion I made in your PR)
[20:47:37] <Begasus> now food :)
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[21:19:29] <extrowerk> Begasus: quazip not tested yet, i was in hungary at the weekend
[21:19:38] <extrowerk> i am on my way back to germany right now
[21:21:35] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/fjIvs
[21:21:37] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] korli a178578 - wireshark: fix #3730
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[21:30:23] <Begasus> safe travels extrowerk :)
[21:30:42] <extrowerk> thanks
[21:33:59] <Begas_VBox> https://ibb.co/7CbpPKS :)
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[21:34:46] <Begasus> going down now, g'night peeps
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[22:53:32] <nepugia> I think that "General system error" is a nice description for telling me that it could not connect to my email server
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[22:54:38] <nepugia> would be kinda interesting if it would tell me why :), also there is no "test connection" button and such, the default is not to use tls, and i don't know why it assumes that my loginname is my email adress, and the localpart
[22:55:00] <nepugia> oh, and it hides the password from me, which is super annoying when i am trying to type it into the input box
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[22:56:06] <nepugia> (reffering to the e-mail preferences dialog anyway)
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[22:57:34] <nepugia> retrying the connection on a password missmatch is also uhm... yeah :)
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[23:02:50] <Vidrep_64> Hi
[23:03:10] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±1] https://git.io/fjIJI
[23:03:12] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys 85c3131 - LibreOffice: bump patchset
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