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[03:16:40] <Not-10ef> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus fd77f6c - vala, bump to version 0.40.4 (#2256)
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[08:01:50] <arfonzo> Ahoy, Haiku friends! Hope everyone is doing well. It's been a while that I haven't dropped in.
[08:03:44] <arfonzo> I noted that there is not telegram_desktop_x86, which is awesome! However, it fails to run: Missing symbol: ___tls_get_addr.
[08:06:12] <arfonzo> Also, can someone update me on the state of x64? I listened recently to some podcast with waddlesplash, where it seemed to be inferred that x64 was becoming more accepted nowadays.There seemed to be a suggestion that to get performance I should run x64 (implying then that it was more supported by more packages), is x64 more usable? I tried yesterday and couldn't even change screen resolutions.
[08:07:54] <waddlesplash> arfonzo: not being able to change screen rez is probably vesa problem
[08:08:17] <waddlesplash> tls get addr is a weird recurring bug nobody has fixed for good yet
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[08:22:43] <arfonzo> waddlesplash: heya! Thanks for the info. Are both of these known issues then?
[08:24:09] <arfonzo> VESA: I'm using x64 out of virtualbox at the moment, I know in 4K it also breaks for haiku x86. Does changing resolution in x64 work for others?
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[08:26:47] <waddlesplash> yes of course
[08:26:57] <waddlesplash> Intel or Radeon chips work best
[08:27:32] <arfonzo> hm, that's a pity, ok.
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[08:28:26] <arfonzo> I'll be unable to run x64 builds for now then
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[08:33:46] <Diver1> arfonzo: hi, telegram works on x86_64
[08:34:29] <arfonzo> ahoy Diver1! thanks for the tip. Unfortunately being stuck at 1024x768 in vbox means I can't use x64 :(
[08:35:09] <Diver1> arfonzo: VBoxManage setextradata "VM name" "CustomVideoMode1" "1400x1050x16"
[08:35:21] <arfonzo> hm, it has to bs 16 bit?
[08:35:34] <Diver1> no, just an example
[08:35:36] <arfonzo> I use x32 in other VMs, and haiku x86
[08:35:37] <arfonzo> ah
[08:35:44] <arfonzo> yeah, that didn't work in x64 for me
[08:36:14] <Diver1> always worked for me
[08:36:54] <Diver1> check early boot log if haiku sees custom resolution. maybe it rejects it afterwards for some reason
[08:37:00] <arfonzo> yeah, it's always worked for me too... until I tried yesterday in haiku x64! :(
[08:37:22] <Diver1> like if you don't have enough video memory in your VM
[08:37:55] <Diver1> in this case 16bit would work I think?
[08:38:19] <arfonzo> it should have enough video memory, it's the same as the x86 VM, and other VMs of mine
[08:39:33] <arfonzo> video memory is set to 128MB, have just checked. I will try the 16-bit trick, but if it's working on x86, I'm puzzled why not in x64.
[08:39:37] <arfonzo> thanks for the pointers Diver1
[08:39:42] <Diver1> try to add different resolution
[08:39:55] <Diver1> 128MB should be more than enough
[08:40:07] <arfonzo> indeed, i've never had probs like this configuration
[08:40:14] <arfonzo> I will give it a play when I can.
[08:40:24] <Diver1> you can also try EFI image which doesn't use vesa at al
[08:40:25] <Diver1> l
[08:40:46] <arfonzo> ah, hm, yeah that could be worth looking into
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[09:41:37] <arfonzo> Diver1: I'm trying vbox again, no changes, this time the resolution change works... mmph.
[09:41:50] <Diver1> odd
[09:41:56] <arfonzo> i haven't changed anything between yesterday and today, go figure. Well, it works! :) At least this time.
[09:42:01] <arfonzo> I take it there's no vbox guest add?
[09:42:14] <Diver1> not for x86_64
[09:42:31] <arfonzo> while there's no 4K, I'm now in 1920x1080, scale factor 2X, which at least is a bit more workable.
[09:42:37] <Diver1> I pushed a recipe and patches tho to haikuports
[09:42:41] <arfonzo> ok, that's a shame!
[09:42:44] <arfonzo> oh, you have it working?
[09:42:52] <Diver1> but I messed up linking options it seems
[09:43:54] <Diver1> as I get "Bad data" from the kernel when I put vboxguest kernel driver to drivers/bin
[09:45:29] <Diver1> err. vboxdev it was
[09:46:36] <Diver1> so probably something wrong here -shared -no-undefined -dc -dy -lstdc++ -lsupc++ -lroot -rpath-link /system/develop/lib /system/develop/lib/_KERNEL_ /system/develop/lib/haiku_version_glue.o
[09:47:28] <arfonzo> ok, cool, well that is some progress anyways Diver1, I hope that can be fixed soon
[09:47:39] <arfonzo> I'm painfully out of the haiku scene these days :(
[09:48:21] <arfonzo> Diver1: was it you who provided the telegram recipe? It does run in x64, however the first screen has errors (input your mobile number to verify), it outputs "internal server error"... has anyone got it working?
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[09:48:33] <Not-10ef> [haikuports/haikuports] kwyxz a21d972 - nestopia_libretro: a Libretro port of Nestopia (#2464)
[09:48:55] <Diver1> it we me and 3dEyes
[09:49:08] <Diver1> works here
[09:49:46] <arfonzo> sigh, sorry, it works now
[09:49:56] <Diver1> ah, cool :)
[09:49:58] <arfonzo> i quit the app, restart, and it worked. Maybe it needed to create some .conf
[09:50:21] <arfonzo> seems that the x64 trick is just to try things repeatedly, heh. That's... not great, but hey, it worked it seems for the resolution and tg :)
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[09:51:31] <Diver1> it works surprisingly well, even now, when russia decided to block it :/
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[09:56:05] <arfonzo> lovely, thanks Diver1, I'll join up as soon as I get online properly in Haiku :) Why has russia blocked it? cryptos?
[09:56:53] <arfonzo> Diver1: are you using x86_64 primarily now?
[09:59:13] <arfonzo> I've been away for months, maybe over a year. But I'm so happy to say that I feel haiku has improved a lot in this time. Small things maybe to others, but huge niggling problems to me have been sorted. Web+ is way better. Qt port is much less flakey (great job!). For one quassel is working 100% properly, systray integration in Qt is fixed. I'm glad to see progress on x64... and perhaps a move towards it as a primary platform? This is what I'd
[09:59:13] <arfonzo> like to understand from the community--how is the x86_64 image feeling nowadays? Is it better accepted/officially supported? I have noticed it's also moved from non-supported to what seems to be supported in the downloads.
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[10:14:39] <FreeFull> Telegram didn't want to give over their keys to Russia
[10:14:54] <FreeFull> So yeah, crypto
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[10:22:40] <DioGen> Diver1: Hello, can you confirm that Clover EFI bootloader works with PM Haiku now? I think I tried to boot from clover usb stick to Haiku usb stick with no success. Maybe it only works if Haiku is installed on HDD?
[10:23:15] <DioGen> Diver1: That was early autumn last year, maybe things have changed since.
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[11:01:20] <Diver_jet> arfonzo I use x86_64 only nowadays
[11:02:29] <Diver_jet> switched to it a year ago or so when korli added tons of packages to x86_64 repo
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[11:46:02] <DioGen> Diver_jet: sorry, don't want to bother. any idea about the Clover and Haiku nightly?
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[12:08:39] <Diver_jet> hi DioGen, yeah. I've looked into it yesterday
[12:09:38] <Diver_jet> and grepped the sources for haiku
[12:10:36] <Diver_jet> and it turns out they've completely disabled haiku support some time ago, see here
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[12:15:42] <Diver_jet> PulkoMandy do you know if the above code can boot packaged haiku_loader or hpkg reader needs to be implemented in Clover first?
[12:22:12] <DioGen> Diver_jet: wow that's a bummer. That trick using Clover's PatchVBios was real handy to get proper widescreen image in VESA mode on Alpha 4.1. Even managed to boot in 1920x1080 mode on another machine (nVidia card). It wasn't even EFI-enabled motherboard and BIOS I think, and Clover still worked.
[12:23:31] <Diver_jet> have you tried to boot EFI image? it might support other modes as it doesn't use VESA so you don't need to patch anything
[12:23:33] <DioGen> If one could boot PM Haiku using Clover bootloader that'd be huge. With all due respect to the Haiku's own EFI bootloader
[12:24:11] <DioGen> Diver_jet: Tried it last december, I think it gave me "no OS to boot" or something.
[12:25:01] <Diver_jet> you probably missed a step as it seems to work for a lot of people who tried it
[12:26:01] <Diver_jet> you need to have a dedicated FAT32 partition and place haiku_loader.efi there
[12:26:04] <DioGen> Diver_jet: is there a recent nightly efi build available? couldn't find anything.
[12:26:45] <Diver_jet> you can use any older image and if you manage to boot it you can easily update it to current nightly
[12:27:40] <DioGen> Diver_jet: the problem is I can't find any EFI build... maybe the link was posted on the forum
[12:27:48] <Diver_jet> as the only thing that you need is to have efi loader on fat partition and update won't owerrite it
[12:27:56] <Diver_jet> lemme check
[12:28:42] <Diver_jet> first link in google :P
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[12:30:41] <DioGen> Diver_jet: so the fat32 partition must be on HDD or usb stick will do?
[12:31:59] <DioGen> Diver_jet: thanks
[12:32:30] <Diver_jet> IIRC, haiku_loader.efi can't boot haiku off CD
[12:32:58] <Diver_jet> jessicah cn .efi reside on USB?
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[12:35:26] <Diver_jet> *can
[12:35:32] <Diver_jet> Creating an EFI System Partition (ESP) can be done in several ways, but is only the start of what you need to do. An ESP is a partition with a GPT type code of C12A7328-F81F-11D2-BA4B-00A0C93EC93B (or, on an MBR disk, a type code of 0xEF) and that uses the FAT32 filesystem (although FAT16 or even FAT12 can generally be used). In Linux, libparted-ba
[12:35:33] <Diver_jet> sed tools, such as GParted and parted, identify the ESP on a GPT disk by the presence of a "boot flag," so you must set that flag on the ESP -- but this works only on GPT disks. (I think that recent versions of libparted use the "esp flag" as a synonym for "boot flag," so you could set that instead. This might work on MBR disks, too, but I'm not po
[12:35:33] <Diver_jet> sitive of that.) In GPT fdisk (gdisk, sgdisk, and cgdisk), it's identified by a partition type of EF00.
[12:36:42] <Diver_jet> I don't know if haiku efi loader work with MBR or it only supports GPT
[12:40:10] <DioGen> so let me get this straight, I boot in regular Haiku nightly, make two partitions on another HDD, Fat32 for EFI and BFS for Haiku, then I create folders EFI and inside of it folder BOOT, then I copy haiku_loader from the haiku-efi that I copied on USB stick there and rename it BOOTX64.efi ?
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[12:42:32] <Diver_jet> you need to use GPT layout I think
[12:43:33] <DioGen> Diver_jet: i get that, otherwise it's correct?
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[12:44:39] <Diver_jet> seems to be
[12:44:59] <Diver_jet> i also think it's case sensitive
[12:45:18]
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[12:45:36] <DioGen> alright, thanks.
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[12:47:06] <Diver_jet> i'm not sure how DriveSetup will create fat32 with ESP type tho
[12:47:49] <Diver_jet> as UEFI needs to find it using GUID
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[12:53:06] <arfonzo> Diver_jet: cool, good to know. Are you finding x64 good enough for daily use as your primary haiku instance?
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[13:03:42] <vchrombie> Hello
[13:10:27]
<Not-10ef> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/vpqNR
[13:10:29] <Not-10ef> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson 797d39d - vala: Add commandBinDir. Add 2 libs to the debuginfo package.
[13:11:51] <vchrombie> Vidrep, WebKit is working!
[13:11:51] <vchrombie> That sounds good to me. :)
[13:12:44] <vchrombie> my exams will come to an end tomorrow, I will also rebase and try to build it.
[13:13:02] <vchrombie> Hope everything goes fine. :)
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[13:13:39] <jessicah> drive setup can create esp just fine
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[13:16:11] <jessicah> drive setup knows partition types when you use gpt
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[13:19:19] <jessicah> haiku uefi loader uses the common loader code, so it understands both partition styles
[13:19:57] <jessicah> a "boot flag" on gpt is bogus
[13:20:12] <jessicah> and not standard
[13:23:49] <arfonzo> ahoy, jessicah! :)
[13:25:17] <arfonzo> Google platform & Photos: I'm very pleasantly surprised that I can now login to google, get my 2FA on mobile, etc, all via web+. Great stuff. Even more impressive is that I can now view my Google Photos, edit photos, etc... I do note that is super-painfully-slow, though... can I do anything to improve this?
[13:26:30] <jessicah> hi arfonzo
[13:26:46] <jessicah> probably not? haha :p
[13:27:02] <jessicah> it's my bedtime for me though
[13:31:46] <arfonzo> bah fair enough, have a good night then! :)
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[13:46:21] <arfonzo> is there any way yet to configure dpi, or increase my cursor size?
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[13:59:31] <Diver_jet> arfonzo: I only use Haiku in VMware theese days and it's very stable there. can compile very large projects and and run for weeks without reboot
[14:00:25] <Diver_jet> on my MacBook pro it's extremely unstable tho, so there are still some crashing bugs in kernel/drivers
[14:01:05] <Diver_jet> and you can't do anything about DPI or cursor size, currently unimplemented
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[14:02:22] <arfonzo> ok, thanks Diver_jet... hm, vmware... ok. I've always been using virtualbox on my desktop, so I probably can't easily switch to vmware without migrating all my desktop VMs, good to know.
[14:02:53] <arfonzo> which vmware product are you using?
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[14:03:21] <Diver_jet> there is an old bug in vbox on Retina display which makes Haiku very slow, so I had to switch
[14:04:12] <Diver_jet> vmware fusion at home and vmware workstation at work
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[14:17:33] <arfonzo> alright, good to know
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[14:25:32] <FreeFull> The problem I've had with haiku in vbox is audio latency
[14:25:59] <FreeFull> It doesn't seem to happen on real hardware, only inside virtualbox
[14:31:10] <arfonzo> yeah, the audio isn't great using vbox for me either
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[15:32:18] <XeonSquared> So, seemingly a simple question but I can't find anything online, anyone know if GRUB is the only sane method to dual-boot OpenBSD and Haiku or?
[15:35:21] <rennj> i just run baremetal ramos like esxi/smartos and load other os's in vmware. makes life simple
[15:36:02] <XeonSquared> Eheh, the laptop I'm setting up has a first-gen Atom, no virt on here :D
[15:36:59] <rennj> plenty to try i guess
[15:41:16] <rennj> so openbsd and haiku would just do their normal installbootblk to their respective partitions
[15:41:30] <rennj> and the boot manager will give you the choice
[15:41:48] <rennj> grub.cfg is probably easier
[15:42:52] <XeonSquared> Aye, probably the easiest, but I think I'll try Plop, for fun.
[15:43:39] <rennj> bsd support?
[15:43:56] <rennj> linux,winblows.crapple
[15:44:09] <XeonSquared> If I can convince it to chainload the boot manager on each partition that should work, hopefully
[15:44:16] <rennj> yeah.
[15:44:35] <XeonSquared> If not, well, I have 4 of these, so nothing lost.
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[15:52:04] <rennj> i rebuilt grub2 for efi/uefi..for my ramos 2years ago..i just never got around to testing new grub2.efi
[15:52:21] <rennj> multiboot usb keychain is nice
[15:53:03] <rennj> you put grub.exe grub4dos on keychain for the weird iso's
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[15:56:52] <rennj> start your computer like car..with a key..and remove it once booted. hd,sdd, is data storage..not for os
[15:58:05] <XeonSquared> Also nice for keeping the boot stuff for encrypted disks on
[15:58:43] <rennj> coldboot attack ..keys be better off in l1,l2,l3 cache or registers of cpu, then in dram
[15:59:17] <rennj> my 15watt amd a10 laptop..my only computer. has over 10 screws...thanks hp
[15:59:31] <rennj> bring the dry ice
[15:59:39] <XeonSquared> Fun times
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[16:00:31] <rennj> immutable os..static..so if i have problems its hardware
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[16:00:45] <rennj> i like it that way..been doing it since 2006
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[16:01:15] <XeonSquared> I'm messing with an IdeaPad S10e, which is ... not powerful ... but it has good battery life and fits under the screen on my desktop so I'm thinking I'll set it up with OpenBSD and Haiku for a nice secondary machine.
[16:01:30] <rennj> i had ideapad
[16:01:36] <rennj> monster amd laptop
[16:01:41] <rennj> 2 3GHz cpu
[16:02:18] <rennj> that was like 65watts
[16:02:31] <rennj> this 15watt 4core 16GB of ram smokes that old laptop
[16:03:28] <rennj> openssl key speeds smoke old xeons cpu's
[16:03:30] <XeonSquared> Haha
[16:04:09] <XeonSquared> My T420 which is the main laptop I actually use is almost faster than my desktop while having like, 1/4 of the TDP
[16:05:02] <rennj> running closed source amd fglrx!
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[16:05:08] <XeonSquared> :o
[16:05:26] <XeonSquared> fvwm, good taste
[16:05:43] <rennj> my system is stable..only thing craps is vmware svga driver in guests, and the 2 802.11ac wifi dongles can kernel panic
[16:05:55] <rennj> like i had 60day uptime
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[16:06:10] <rennj> but then crapola..and its probably the outside of the kernel nic drivers
[16:06:26] <rennj> been using fvwm since like 1995
[16:06:31] <rennj> solaris days
[16:06:35] <XeonSquared> I managed 380 days or so on Arch Linux on a server
[16:06:57] <XeonSquared> systemd stopped responding... Lots of stuff was broken by the time I rebooted :D
[16:07:05] <rennj> see my /
[16:07:12] <rennj> 400MB /live
[16:07:24] <rennj> rm /lib/firmware i get ramos down to 350MB
[16:07:37] <rennj> but then it would not boot on wider range of hardware
[16:08:10] <rennj> no systemd no pulseaudio no gnome/kde freekdesktop shit
[16:08:15] <rennj> i dont run acpid..
[16:08:20] <rennj> franken slack
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[17:32:38] <miqlas> sadly opensound required and i had to build it as it isn't in Depot for x86_64
[17:32:55] <miqlas> but it works, jack sensing too, loud and clear
[17:33:23] <miqlas> so the only missing part is the wifi, but i already have a plan.
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[17:46:21] <Vidrep_64> Hi miqlas
[17:46:51] <Vidrep_64> Quiet this morning, or is that just my perception?
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[18:00:21] <miqlas> it is 6 pm here
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[18:29:04] <blu256> Hello, I have a question. I'd like to be able to boot the latest Haiku nightly off a multiboot USB stick with GRUB4DOS. Any suggestions? Is this achievable?
[18:30:05] <KapiX> if GRUB4DOS can chainload haiku bootloader then yes
[18:31:13] <blu256> What do you mean exactly? I've been trying to chainload both the Anyboot ISO and the raw image, with no luck at either.
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[18:31:43] <KapiX> When you install haiku you need to install bootloader manually
[18:32:08] * KapiX looks for relevant docs
[18:32:58] <blu256> I'm not trying to install Haiku. I just want to be able to boot the Live environment off a USB Flash stick, with GRUB4DOS.
[18:33:50] <KapiX> I don't know if you can use anyboot that way
[18:34:04] <KapiX> but if you install Haiku to a partition on your USB stick it should work
[18:34:25] <KapiX> in case of Haiku there is not much difference between liveusb and installed os
[18:34:45] <blu256> Hmm... I'll have to try that out.
[18:34:52] <blu256> Ok, thanks
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[21:45:21] <miqlas> how can i differenciate between gcc2 and gcc5 with ifdef? Is there something like #ifdef __GCC5__ ?
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<Not-10ef> [haikuports/haikuports] KapiX pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/vpm5j
[21:49:33] <Not-10ef> [haikuports/haikuports] KapiX db9fd67 - redland: fix devel requires.
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<Not-10ef> [haikuports/haikuports] KapiX pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/vpmpL
[22:50:23] <Not-10ef> [haikuports/haikuports] KapiX 1668645 - redland: fix typo
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