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[01:56:20] <Not-10ef> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/vx7k4
[01:56:21] <Not-10ef> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson 7ac5946 - gdk-pixbuf: bump to 2.36.12, add debuginfo. (#2430)
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[08:31:48] <RahulAN> Hello All
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[11:22:36] <Not-10ef> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/vx72D
[11:22:38] <Not-10ef> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson 88c3d1d - youtube-dl: bump to 2018.04.09. (#2431)
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[11:30:16] <andreasdr_> Hi
[11:31:18] <miqlas> hi
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[11:50:42] <andreasdr_> Hi do you have a empty kernel module template? And instructions how to build it? Do I need a working Haiku src tree for that? Something like https://github.com/makelinux/ldt ?
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[12:39:46] <Not-10ef> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://git.io/vx7PX
[12:39:48] <Not-10ef> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys b1dec6d - QMPlay2: bump vresion
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[14:12:28] <matthewstar> wellcome to cpu circus!!! =)
[14:13:59] <matthewstar> i love that dirty world
[14:14:36] <matthewstar> see you later...
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[14:20:24] <andreasdr> What is cpu circus?
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[14:45:17] <HaikuUser> Is there a way to set FTP up on Haiku to use a different port than 21?
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[14:46:09] <Dane__> I'd like to set things up so one of my Haiku machines uses a different port for FTP, so more than one computer can be accessed from the outside.
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[15:01:41] <HAIKU-irker811> haiku.master: jerome.duval * hrev51876 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=272475393ce2+%5Ef960e7e9a2b2
[15:01:41] <HAIKU-irker811> 272475393ce2: Changed PNG translator config view
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[16:54:50] <Vidrep_64> Good morning
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[16:57:35] <andreasdr> Morning.
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[17:59:43] <Not-10ef> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±1] https://git.io/vx5sY
[17:59:45] <Not-10ef> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys e1f7898 - Far: make it build
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[18:07:18] <Not-10ef> [haikuports/haikuports] extrowerk pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://git.io/vx5GL
[18:07:20] <Not-10ef> [haikuports/haikuports] extrowerk dc41fc6 - mlpack: bump (#2429)
[18:07:50] <Not-10ef> [haikuports/haikuports] extrowerk pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-4/±0] https://git.io/vx5GY
[18:07:51] <Not-10ef> [haikuports/haikuports] extrowerk f0795b5 - Otter: bump (#2421)
[18:08:06] <Not-10ef> [haikuports/haikuports] extrowerk pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/vx5G3
[18:08:07] <Not-10ef> [haikuports/haikuports] extrowerk 974187e - Trojita: add contour to the main app icon (#2420)
[18:08:26] <Not-10ef> [haikuports/haikuports] extrowerk pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±1] https://git.io/vx5Gn
[18:08:27] <Not-10ef> [haikuports/haikuports] extrowerk f3f7d39 - KDevelop: make it work (#2419)
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[19:44:53] <Begas_VBox> g'evening peeps
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[19:52:53] <IIsi50MHz> Dane__: Can't check from where I am. You could set a port forwarding rule in your router.
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[20:35:40] <lorglas_> hi Begasus
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[20:44:42] <Begas_VBox> hi lorglas_!
[20:44:53] <Begas_VBox> long time no see, how's it going?
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[20:48:38] <Begasus_> bugger, freeze (again) :/
[20:49:11] <Begasus_> looks like building recipes and using Firefox on my host is not a good combo :/
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[20:56:45] <lorglas_> too little time for everything you want to do
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[20:57:43] <Diver1> miqlas: https://depot.haiku-os.org/kdevelop
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[20:57:58] <miqlas> Diver: hmm?
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[20:59:09] <Diver1> fixed the build and added decoration
[21:00:16] <miqlas> Nice screenshot, but maybe it will inducate *way too big* expectations. I mean, an integrated and working development environment... However it is neither currently. But nice screenshot.
[21:01:02] <miqlas> but which decorator do you meant?
[21:02:14] <Diver1> icon and screenshot are decoration in Haiku Depot Server terms
[21:03:29] <miqlas> oh, ok, i got no access to HDS, but thanks, looks nice.
[21:03:38] <miqlas> have you got better icon?
[21:03:53] <miqlas> nope, it is still the same.
[21:04:09] <miqlas> btw, i'm fighting with retroshare right now.
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[21:11:09] <Diver1> miqlas: yeah, I uploaded your icon
[21:11:29] <Diver1> was also fighting with retroshare a year ago but gave up
[21:26:51] <Diver1> miqlas: I also fixed build of Far today
[21:27:05] <miqlas> nice
[21:27:30] <miqlas> i also tried to fix/bump it but failed uncomfortable
[21:27:30] <Diver1> unfortunately GUI is distorted, it uses WxQT maybe that's why
[21:27:38] <King_Warg> kdevelop? 0.o
[21:27:42] <Diver1> yes
[21:27:45] <miqlas> Diver1 can you pass me a screenshot?
[21:28:00] <Diver1> sure
[21:28:32] <Diver1> https://i.imgur.com/xulRiHz.png
[21:28:48] <miqlas> btw thanks for upstreaming the retroshare patches, it is so much easier :)
[21:29:02] <Diver1> cool)
[21:29:24] <miqlas> Diver1: yep, it is a bit distorted :)
[21:29:33] <Diver1> current Far recipe doesn't put the binaries inside the package too
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[21:30:09] <Diver1> but the project seems huge compared to Tracker which is tiny :)
[21:30:53] <Diver1> well, at least we know that WxQT can draw something :)
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[21:32:21] <miqlas> Diver1: i actually knew it can do stuff.
[21:32:30] <Diver1> ah
[21:32:48] <miqlas> Diver1: i built some sample code as it landed in the depot.
[21:32:49] <Diver1> next task could be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code::Blocks
[21:33:00] <miqlas> tried, failed hard
[21:34:05] <Diver1> oh :/
[21:34:11] <miqlas> Diver1: you made a typo in the Retroshare recipe. You wrote "linopencv" instead of "libopencv". I took me a half an hour to find it out.
[21:34:33] <miqlas> No critique, i just tell you.
[21:34:58] <Diver1> I think libopencv wasn't there when I ported Retroshare?
[21:35:13] <Diver1> I mean it was commented out or smth?
[21:35:16] <miqlas> So i enabled all the shny thing in the recipe, but there is no more configure script, so i'm not sure if it actually using the freshly added libs
[21:35:28] <miqlas> It was commented, right
[21:36:15] <Diver1> God, new Pootle _is_ slow!
[21:37:05] <King_Warg> next #Develop ;p
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[22:03:06] <miqlas> Diver1: have you found place for kdevelop in your workflow?
[22:04:05] <sortie> Porting something to Haiku (Haiku test 1 hrev51498 Oct 26 2017 17:03:40 x86_64 x86_64 Haiku). Why does install foo /usr/local/bin/foo give me “install: cannot create regular file '/usr/local/bin/foo': Invalid Argument”? What is the proper way to do this, or is the right way to go through package management?
[22:05:21] <miqlas> sortie: there is no /usr on Haiku, and you cannot create it.
[22:05:52] <sortie> mkdir -p /usr/local/bin ran successfully for what it's worth
[22:05:55] <miqlas> you have to pass the install prefix to your configure script, like "./configure --prefix=/Somewhere/writeable"
[22:06:29] <sortie> What's the right choice of somewhere for a haiku port?
[22:06:39] <Diver1> miqlas: nope, trying to update it
[22:06:48] <miqlas> or "cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/Somewhere/writeable"
[22:07:05] <sortie> I'm the build system here
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[22:07:19] <miqlas> sortie: or "qmake PREFIX=/Somewhere/writeable
[22:07:33] <sortie> I'm making a portable simple program with a simple makefile. People download the tar, extract it, run 'make instal' and it works, they can set PREFIX.
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[22:07:52] <sortie> PREFIX defaults to /usr/local because that's the right default. But in the case of Haiku, what is the right value?
[22:08:10] <miqlas> sortie: do you want to package it?
[22:08:40] <sortie> I don't personally want to package it in my makefile, but yes, I want this to be easily packaged by Haiku.
[22:08:43] <miqlas> let me ask something else: are you planning to do a proper recipe for that program?
[22:09:02] <sortie> Maybe not me personally but I can probably have someone in my community do it for me
[22:09:14] <miqlas> are you the maintainer of this stuff?
[22:09:18] <sortie> Yes
[22:09:38] <miqlas> then do not change anything, we can pass the correct prefix in our recipe.
[22:09:44] <miqlas> is it an executable or a lib?
[22:09:49] <sortie> Executable
[22:10:21] <sortie> Alright I won't change anything (that was what I was thinking). Where does such recipe's usually install stuff?
[22:10:28] <sortie> (Just for curiosity)
[22:10:29] <miqlas> ok, then it should go to /system/bin but it is read only, accessible only for packages, so you don't have to change anything.
[22:10:55] <sortie> Right, so make PREFIX=/system/bin DESTDIR=/tmp/foo, package up /tmp/foo, install it, and it works?
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[22:11:03] <sortie> Err PREFIX=/system
[22:11:28] <miqlas> sortie: it is complicated to explain. At the end the files will be accessible in /system/bin which is /bin actually
[22:11:41] <sortie> Alright no worries
[22:11:51] <miqlas> sortie: you don't want to do PREFIX=/system Never.
[22:12:03] <miqlas> sortie: can i ask, wich is this program?
[22:12:11] <sortie> Note the DESTDIR but yeah
[22:12:32] <miqlas> Diver1: is there already a new revicion?
[22:12:39] <miqlas> i mean "release"?
[22:13:12] <Diver1> yep
[22:13:51] <sortie> miqlas: Sure it's rw(1) <https://sortix.org/rw/>. I got tired of the terribleness of dd(1) so I designed a replacement with a better design for my operating system and I'm going a portable release now that works on DragonFly, Haiku, Hurd, Illumos, Linux, macOS, Minix, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Sortix, and Windows Subsystem for Linux.
[22:14:15] <sortie> *doing a portable release now
[22:14:48] <miqlas> sortie : possible typo on the webpage: "providing only the the core core blockwise I/O"
[22:15:45] <sortie> Yeah that's a typo, thanks! This webpage is really just an early draft, finishing it up once I have a portable tarball
[22:16:54] <Diver1> sortie: I'd just use an existing (simple) recipe and edit it to my needs https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/blob/master/net-analyzer/mtr/mtr-0.73.recipe#L50
[22:17:34] <Diver1> note there is a call runConfigure, this is what passes correct paths to configure script
[22:17:42] <Diver1> so that you don't have to do it yoursef
[22:18:54] <Diver1> hm, I see you don't use configure https://gitlab.com/sortix/sortix ...
[22:19:17] <sortie> Note that this is the upstream repository for my OS
[22:19:29] <miqlas> sortie: but if you will, there are variables predefined like $prefix , $binDir , $libsDir and so on
[22:19:35] <miqlas> you can use them too
[22:19:43] <sortie> Making the portable release now. Hoping to do without a configure script in this particular case and do with a simple makefile.
[22:19:54] <miqlas> like "cp yourexecutable $binDir"
[22:20:37] <sortie> A basic: CFLAGS='-O2 -g' PREFIX=/foo/bar make install
[22:21:11] <sortie> Though CPPFLAGS=-D_BSD_SOURCE LDFLAGS=-lbsd is needed on haiku for <err.h>
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[22:28:37] <miqlas> Diver1: yay, i got it built!
[22:29:29] <Begasus> g'night peeps
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[22:30:15] <Diver1> miqlas: yay! :)
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[22:36:58] <sortie> Well thanks for the help, you've been useful :)
[22:37:21] <miqlas> Diver1: Do you see, what i see here? "-Ipkg-config -I--cflags -Ilibxml-2.0 -"
[22:37:47] <miqlas> Here a bit context : "-I../../libretroshare/src -I../../retroshare-gui/src -Ipkg-config -I--cflags -Ilibxml-2.0 -I. -I/packages/qt5-5.9.3-2/.self/dev"
[22:39:43] <miqlas> how on earth did you managed to build it actually? :D
[22:40:01] <Diver1> miqlas: something's wrong http://vmpkg.haiku-os.org/master/x86_gcc2/logviewer.html?buildruns/1020/builds/27458.log
[22:40:46] <Diver1> sorry, it's time for me to go to bed it seems, can't see what's up there with flags
[22:41:10] <Diver1> Ilibxml probably
[22:41:52] <miqlas> yep
[22:41:56] <miqlas> Diver1: "mv: cannot stat '/packages/kdevelop_x86-5.2.2-1/.self/bin/kdevelop': No such file or directory"
[22:42:13] <miqlas> kdevelop should not be in $binDir, but in $appsDir, right?
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[22:47:54] <nzimmermann> hi
[22:48:37] <miqlas> hi
[22:48:58] <nzimmermann> I noticed on another machine, that the packages.haiku-os.org SSL certifacte got renewed, but apparently on my running haiku machine, it still sees an invalid SSL sertificate (HaikuDepot updaes are not working, nor access to the page via WebPositive, unless I ignore the invalid certificate)
[22:50:29] <nzimmermann> curl tells me "* SSL certificate problem: certificate is not yet valid"
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[22:50:43] <miqlas> have you checked your clock?
[22:51:22] <nzimmermann> *blush*
[22:51:50] <nzimmermann> I was under the impression that activating NTP would regulary re-sync the time/date :-)
[22:52:11] <miqlas> but only at start afaik, and it can happen there is no net connection so early.
[22:52:53] <nzimmermann> miqlas, that was indeed the case, my date was stuck to 4th april (currently tried an instance in virtualbox, that was halted since a week)
[22:52:56] <nzimmermann> thanks!
[22:53:34] <nzimmermann> miqlas, I played with an installation on bare metal last week, with a steep learning curve :-)
[22:54:18] <nzimmermann> I found that the partitioning during OS installation is quite fragile, it lets you do things, you aren't suppoed to do - e.g. non-GPT partition map, with 2+ TB partitions, which are shrinked after reboot ..
[22:58:37] <nzimmermann> when i finally had a working installation, with a decent partitoning, problems started to appear under heavy load
[22:59:20] <nzimmermann> when compiling with e.g. make -j6 (on a 6-core AMD machine) the system just reboots w/o a warning, as if I pressed the hard reset button
[22:59:24] <miqlas> nzimmermann: i would say: check please if there is a ticket about partitioning, and if not, create one.
[22:59:57] <nzimmermann> miqlas, I will, I kept my notes, but need to re-execute them this week, to file meaningful tickets, with step by step explainations
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[23:00:45] <nzimmermann> the syslog unfortunately had no suspicious entries, which could explain the reboot issue (never happens with make -j 1, probability increases the more cores work in parallel)
[23:00:45] <miqlas> nzimmermann: i never had any problem like that, hovewer i got only core2 here for haiku. But i do my make jobs with 4 parallel jobs. Never had any problem like that. But if i remember correctly, there were some instability reports about AMD based systems.
[23:01:35] <nzimmermann> miqlas, that's correct, I found the report ("random binary crashes") but it was about application crashes, not full reboots, and yes I can reproduce the very same application crashes (e.g. python/gcc/etc. crash during heavy load, when using multiplte cores at the same time)
[23:02:35] <nzimmermann> I noticed that the last entries in the syslog were gone, after the reboot, so it's impossible to debug like this..
[23:02:58] <nzimmermann> so I setup serial debugging via COM port, and captured the output on a second machine... but no hints at all, syslog just looks normal, and suddently it reboots
[23:03:02] <miqlas> nzimmermann: maybe this? https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/10279
[23:03:32] <nzimmermann> since it's a spare machine from the attic, I now replaced all components, power, main board, ram, hard drive (all but the CPU) which could be feaulty, but problem ipersists :-)
[23:03:55] <nzimmermann> miqlas, that's report I was talking about (last comment from me)
[23:04:01] <miqlas> nzimmermann: thanks for your digging to find the root of this problem, sadly i cannot help you more as i got no amd hardware here
[23:06:17] <nzimmermann> thanks anyhow! I will leave some information for korli on that ticket, maybe he has some more hints for me
[23:08:42] <miqlas> :)
[23:09:09] <miqlas> nzimmermann: how about your porting adventure goes?
[23:10:15] <miqlas> hmm.. Retroshare cannot start: "_Z18pthread_setname_npP15_pthread_threadPKc" missing.
[23:10:20] <miqlas> hmmm
[23:10:31] <nzimmermann> miqlas, the root.cern.ch port is basically complete (w/o GUI though), I can browse ROOT files, write ROOT trees, etc.
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[23:11:08] <nzimmermann> miqlas, I started under x86_64 in VirtualBox, and then wanted to continue trying to build for x86 in a x86_gcc2 hybrid haiku system on bare metal, but then got stuck with the reboot problem :-)
[23:11:32] <miqlas> nzimmermann: great :D I just updated my mlpack port if you are interested in machine based learning and stuff like that
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[23:12:15] <miqlas> maybe you canhelp me to get tensorflow in working shape
[23:12:21] <nzimmermann> miqlas, I am :-) but we use TensorFlow at work :-)
[23:12:44] <nzimmermann> miqlas, but TF w/o proper GPU support is basically wasted time, no? :-)
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[23:13:12] <miqlas> nzimmermann: got way too much. thoose long winter nights and stuff
[23:14:29] <miqlas> did opencv and tf and plenty (currently) nonsense ports, because why not
[23:15:31] <miqlas> even blender and his dependencies too
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[23:17:46] <nzimmermann> hehe :-)
[23:18:00] <nzimmermann> well, it's a good start, and still interessting to do
[23:18:51] <nzimmermann> miqlas, btw, you're longer in this scene than me... what's the status of the next release? The list of showstoppers seems quite small by now?
[23:19:08] <nzimmermann> at least according to the open tickets linked to the next milestone in Trac
[23:19:31] <miqlas> It will happen. But when? It is a good question.
[23:20:01] <miqlas> It was expected last time for last february-march.
[23:20:19] <miqlas> i mean 2017 feb-march
[23:21:22] <nzimmermann> ouch okay
[23:26:24] <miqlas> sorry, that's all what i can say. I'm not anymore really interested in releases, i'm usin nightly plenty years ago, today it is almost ~90% main OS now.
[23:27:24] <miqlas> I went 3-4 times to hungary only with my haiku laptop, nothing else, and it was enough to do my emails, for my music, for my books, for my web and things like that.
[23:35:58] <nzimmermann> :-)
[23:36:10] <nzimmermann> miqlas, PR-wise the delayed release is a catastrophe
[23:36:27] <nzimmermann> but I'm fully aware the lack of manpower is problematic...
[23:37:02] <miqlas> oh, Retroshare works: http://chunk.io/miqlas/566cd98e1ba44f5aac80cfaf82bc3f20
[23:38:29] <miqlas> nzimmermann: i don't have any oppinion about this release-question. I just don't care. I do, what i can to make the system relevant, more i cannot.
[23:39:36] <nzimmermann> miqlas, personally I also don't care about releases, I like staying on top-of-tree in all my os / projects ;-)
[23:40:07] <nzimmermann> anyhow, I'll stop the release debate :-)
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[23:42:53] <miqlas> no, ask your questions, maybe somebody else can give you better answer than i.
[23:56:25] <miqlas> Diver1: http://chunk.io/miqlas/566cd98e1ba44f5aac80cfaf82bc3f20
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