January 31, 2017 
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January 31, 2017 [00:10:11] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@bcdc724c.skybroadband.com> has joined #haiku[00:10:20] *** HaikuUser2 is now known as kentahaiku[00:11:32] <kentahaiku> I changed linux mint with a proper slackware, and upgrade to latest virtualbox, let's see if now it give me again the guru meditation screen[00:11:44] *** oco2_ <oco2_!~haiku@brs60-1-88-125-140-2.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[00:14:42] <Vidrep> Hey Duggan, you're awful quiet....feeling OK?[00:17:13] <kentahaiku> Is there any reason why paladin creates read-only files?[00:20:20] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-5.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[00:25:38] <kentahaiku> http://imgur.com/a/Us4qO[00:25:54] <kentahaiku> I wonder if I'm doing something wrong or it's just a bug[00:28:04] <Vidrep> kentahaiku, most of the devs who could help you are in Europe and probably sleeping[00:28:39] <Premislaus> Vidrep: Duggan is working on CodePal[00:28:53] <Vidrep> kentahaiku, if you wait another hour or two, some of the US based devs will be off work, and could probably help you then[00:29:23] <Vidrep> Hey Premislaus[00:30:26] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kcvyzdmmehmnxtyr> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[00:32:20] *** stakewinner00 <stakewinner00!~stakewinn@24.254.23.95.dynamic.jazztel.es> has quit IRC ()[00:33:04] <kentahaiku> I'm in Europe too :)[00:33:07] <rgb> hi kentahaiku, it's a bug on paladin when create new project all file are -r--r--r--[00:33:34] <kentahaiku> ok, so I just need to chmod +w them manually gotcha[00:36:45] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!xemdetia@nat/ibm/x-gtdtpndtkrnkcvjq> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:40:19] <Premislaus> hej Vidrep[00:53:42] <kentahaiku> Ah, managed to reconfigure the new virtual machine: http://imgur.com/a/5mXhV[00:54:14] <kentahaiku> autocompletion is working, now I can start learning the haiku way of doing applications[00:58:30] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[00:58:56] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:59:14] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[01:00:42] <kentahaiku> I love that now the touchscreen works both in my host os and therefore in haiku[01:03:52] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:06:56] *** kentahaiku <kentahaiku!~vision@bcdc724c.skybroadband.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[01:17:50] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9c53d.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[01:18:03] <stargater> hi[01:18:21] <ohnx`> hey![01:20:30] <Vidrep> Ha[01:21:08] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@5ec14eb1.skybroadband.com> has joined #haiku[01:21:13] *** HaikuUser2 is now known as kentahaiku[01:24:44] *** swift110 <swift110!~swift1104@205.201.255.5> has joined #haiku[01:25:35] <kentahaiku> cd hls[01:28:34] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@apn-31-0-71-187.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[01:28:55] *** swift110 <swift110!~swift1104@205.201.255.5> has quit IRC (Changing host)[01:28:55] *** swift110 <swift110!~swift1104@unaffiliated/swift110> has joined #haiku[01:29:36] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-092-252-079-071.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Quit: axeld)[01:34:23] *** swift110 <swift110!~swift1104@unaffiliated/swift110> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[01:40:17] *** pdziepak <pdziepak!~pdziepak@88.98.223.225> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:46:46] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[01:52:46] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[01:55:34] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[02:00:23] <Barrett> Vidrep, how's goin?[02:01:25] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[02:01:42] <Barrett> hey AlienSoldier[02:01:49] <AlienSoldier> Hi Barrett[02:13:34] *** oco2_ <oco2_!~haiku@brs60-1-88-125-140-2.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[02:13:49] *** oco2 <oco2!~haiku@brs60-1-88-125-140-2.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[02:17:46] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9c53d.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[02:24:40] <Vidrep> Hi Barrett[02:24:47] <Vidrep> Going OK[02:24:55] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9e06f.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[02:25:01] <Barrett> nice[02:25:05] <Vidrep> So, Haiku Beta feature freeze is tomorrow[02:25:12] <Barrett> apparently[02:25:27] <Vidrep> Any last minute additions for you?[02:28:21] <ohnx> > efi[02:28:42] <ohnx> exciting times that we live in, Vidrep ! L:D[02:29:02] <Barrett> I had one but it didn't work like expected[02:29:10] <Barrett> as BSound is broken actually[02:29:25] <Barrett> and I had not patience to fix BSound too[02:30:11] <Barrett> nothing special anyway (#3085)[02:30:19] *** TUBy <TUBy!~Vincent@2a01:e35:2f1b:d40:c831:8f90:c91c:5661> has joined #haiku[02:31:45] *** LaceySnr <LaceySnr!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[02:32:11] <Vidrep> As far as I know the only enhancement not yet fully implemented is UEFI[02:32:12] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[02:32:21] <Vidrep> I may be wrong[02:32:37] <FlyingJester> Beta is happening!?[02:32:39] <FlyingJester> :D[02:32:58] <Vidrep> So, from now on it's going to be bug fixing of what we now have[02:33:23] *** TUBbrain <TUBbrain!~Vincent@2a01:e35:2f1b:d40:c831:8f90:c91c:5661> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[02:34:10] <Vidrep> Barrett, are you for doing any further work on the streaming plug-in?[02:34:41] <Barrett> not at this stage[02:35:31] <Vidrep> What are your plans (if you don't mind my asking)?[02:36:06] <Barrett> there are some UltraDV news coming in the foreseeable future[02:36:22] <Vidrep> I had almost forgotten[02:37:02] *** kentahaiku <kentahaiku!~vision@5ec14eb1.skybroadband.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[02:37:14] <Barrett> I plan to complete a bare bone BMediaClient without the new threading management and format creation facilities[02:37:35] <Barrett> and I think it's enough for Haiku and the next months[02:38:59] <AlienSoldier> i think Trum signed an executive order to have Beta happening now[02:39:07] <AlienSoldier> *Trump[02:39:11] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9e06f.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:40:39] <Vidrep> There's plenty of bugs to be fixed for what we already have[02:41:12] <AlienSoldier> will be interesting to see how many more tester will show up in that phase[02:41:14] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9dd2f.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[02:41:42] <FlyingJester> Thinking about that...is there a list of formats supported by translators?[02:42:11] <Premislaus> We need this Beta, at least for media coverage.[02:42:15] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy made a change to Web+ that helps redirects work better[02:42:38] <FlyingJester> Any real release is a good idea, given how much things have improved since Alpha 4.1[02:42:39] * AlienSoldier is waiting for hrev50919 to show up[02:42:45] <Vidrep> There are still quite a few bugs remaining in Web+ unrelated to his fix[02:43:05] <AlienSoldier> Vidrep lot of new bug (saw a few of your new ticket)[02:43:13] <AlienSoldier> *that was a question[02:43:27] <Vidrep> My fear is bad reviews[02:44:10] *** BrunoSpr <BrunoSpr!~BS@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[02:44:34] <Premislaus> I think gcc2 should be "abandoned" - gcc2 apps should be running in "hidden VM" o something like sandboxing, but I think we don't have manpower for this. I'm really appreciating possibility od official x86_64 build.[02:44:36] <AlienSoldier> bad reviews are ok when things do not work[02:45:24] <Premislaus> FlyingJester: 4 years after "latest" release.[02:45:26] <LaceySnr> Are Web+ issues mostly in Web+ itself or are they webkit issues[02:45:46] <AlienSoldier> what i hope is that bad review are paired with a little donation to the project to make thing better[02:45:57] <AlienSoldier> that would be class act[02:46:41] <AlienSoldier> as in noble act (not class action :))[02:46:54] <Vidrep> We wobn't be seeing any major changes for a while[02:47:10] <Vidrep> That's good[02:47:13] *** scottmc <scottmc!~scottmc@c-67-174-194-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[02:47:17] <Premislaus> Vidrep: Bad or good, they are always the same - nice hobby project or BeOS is still a thing?![02:47:30] <AlienSoldier> i always wonder what axeld will do after toying with bfs, seem he become more active lately[02:48:07] <Vidrep> Everybody likes to see new features added, but every time it is done there are regressions[02:48:27] <AlienSoldier> Haiku regression are legendary[02:48:42] <Premislaus> Any news about Rudolf Cornelissen - https://be-hold.blogspot.com/2015/12/resuming-haiku-development.html ?[02:48:43] <Barrett> Vidrep, Haiku needs to move on[02:49:05] <Vidrep> This project cannot keep adding features that set back the Beta[02:49:21] <Barrett> I don't care much about beta or R1[02:49:37] <Barrett> because they will never fit my usage goals[02:49:40] <scottmc> PackageManagement and i18n were good additions, just took longer than we would have liked for PM, but we are here now[02:50:01] <Barrett> I passed the last year fixing a lot of bugs[02:50:05] <Barrett> and now I'm bored[02:50:35] <scottmc> well Barrett you will soon be free to move forward.[02:50:49] <Vidrep> Barrett, I know where you're coming from. The Beta branch is still reliant on compatability with something 15 years old[02:51:22] <Barrett> scottmc, yes let's see what happens[02:52:06] <Barrett> Vidrep, I think my plans to move the media_kit to a common node implementation would have allowed it to be a lot better than it's now[02:52:14] <Vidrep> Is jessicah going to be given a chance to finish her work?[02:52:37] <Barrett> but I think those plans will become something more extensive at this point.[02:52:53] <Vidrep> This should be the one exception to the freeze[02:53:59] <Barrett> I don't think it makes the train to turn back[02:54:19] <Barrett> it's just more easier for me to break everything in my fork[02:54:33] <Barrett> and think of having libmedia.so run on top of it[02:54:58] <Vidrep> Barrett, I appreciate the efforts that you made to improve and enhance the MK.[02:55:15] <Vidrep> I know it isn't what you really wanted[02:55:58] <AlienSoldier> there are things that can't be developed incrementally, that is why i would like to be able to run kit in parallel[02:56:28] <Vidrep> scottmc, I'm quite surprised at the number of apps which are now working on 64 bit[02:56:34] <Barrett> AlienSoldier, well it could until a certain limit[02:56:52] <AlienSoldier> yep, hard to do when not planned from the start[02:56:53] <Vidrep> Too bad we didn't start moving on that earlier[02:57:18] <Vidrep> I see 64 bit Haiku as the future of this project[02:57:58] <Premislaus> Vidrep: There is no more only 32-bit CPUs for many years. I bough Athlon 64 in 2006.[02:58:10] <Barrett> AlienSoldier, it'd entirely possible to move slowly using the media_client as bridge[02:58:45] <Barrett> but it's the long way[02:58:48] <AlienSoldier> they may come back. When the gamecube was made they hacked a 64bit cpu to make it 32 bit from what i remember because it had advantage[02:59:53] <Barrett> The 64 bit switch had some technical implications that are the reason of the switch per-se[03:00:10] <Barrett> it's true it will be a long time before we will see consumer 128 bit cpus[03:00:20] <Barrett> I doubt 32 bit will have any relevance in future[03:00:21] <AlienSoldier> bbl[03:00:33] <AlienSoldier> i still like 8bit :)[03:00:48] <Premislaus> AlienSoldier: From where? x86_64, modern ARM, modern PowerPC are also 64-bit. You have 512-bit AVX SIMD in Xeon Phi. Loongson are also 64-bit. 32-bit chips currently are made only for routers or low cost embedded.[03:01:04] <Premislaus> *is also[03:01:11] <Vidrep> It will be interesting to see how the devs and users migrate to using either the Beta/R1 branch or the R2 branch[03:01:43] <Barrett> it might vary a lot[03:01:54] <Barrett> depending on the development[03:02:12] <Barrett> I suspect it's really too late[03:02:19] <Barrett> sort of lost momentum[03:02:41] <Vidrep> I suspect Barrett will be a R2 guy exclusively[03:03:16] *** AD_Haiku <AD_Haiku!~ad@5ec30d96.skybroadband.com> has joined #haiku[03:03:34] <Premislaus> From what I remember Haiku hpkg are mounted and compressed. 64-bit is good for compression and decompression .[03:03:39] <Barrett> Vidrep, or a non haiku user too :)[03:05:26] <Vidrep> Being a non-coder, I don't mind living on the bleeding edge.[03:05:31] <Barrett> it was 2012/2013 when I had this mad idea to develop an audio editor[03:06:06] <Barrett> it took 2 years 20/30 patches and some imprecations to get commit access[03:06:10] <AD_Haiku> yeah at last! had to bodge a wired connection for 1 of the laptops that boots :D[03:06:32] <AD_Haiku> a[03:07:08] <Barrett> maybe I could have done more for this project, who know, but now it seems I lose the life fountain[03:07:39] <Barrett> I get interested at Haiku those days just in some exceptional moments[03:08:16] <AD_Haiku> soz no idea how i reversed the text colours...[03:08:53] <Barrett> so I will just get UltraDV one step forward for now[03:09:07] <Vidrep> Barrett, I know bug fixing is probably too boring for you. But, we need bugs fixed, and helping out for a few weeks doing that would be appreciated, and won't kill you. :)[03:09:12] <Barrett> I'm evaluating moving my project to linux + qt + my own audio server[03:09:34] <Barrett> with the latter one, maybe, still usable in Haiku[03:11:11] <Barrett> no Vidrep let's ask Haiku Inc. to hire someone (not me of course)[03:11:16] <Barrett> :-D[03:11:38] <Vidrep> Oh Barrett![03:14:07] <Vidrep> Barrett, sometimes I don't know whether to buy you a beer or choke you :D[03:14:26] *** AD_MOS2 <AD_MOS2!~JohnN@5ec30d96.skybroadband.com> has left #haiku ("Leaving")[03:14:34] <BrunoSpr> hello Barrett ... do you still work on UltraDV? Is it usable now?[03:15:02] <Barrett> Vidrep, LoL[03:15:19] <BrunoSpr> ups[03:15:27] <Barrett> BrunoSpr, it needs some love still[03:15:41] <Barrett> news in February[03:15:55] <Barrett> you will have to thanks Mr. Hudson for that[03:16:23] <Barrett> Vidrep, I think we should really evaluate going multiplatform[03:16:30] <Barrett> or going over linux[03:16:47] <Barrett> or if there are enough portability/compatibility reasons go over *BSD[03:16:59] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9dd2f.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[03:17:08] <Barrett> linux's problem is xserver[03:17:24] <Barrett> at least the cosmoe problem[03:18:55] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9dbf5.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[03:19:38] <Barrett> unless someone begin to develop drivers for Haiku like a technological singularity, this sentiment will become more common more the time will pass[03:19:56] *** LaceySnr <LaceySnr!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:20:37] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59.100.30.52> has joined #haiku[03:20:46] <BrunoSpr> ah ok sounds good[03:23:51] *** BrunoSpr <BrunoSpr!~BS@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[03:24:04] <Barrett> too late for me[03:24:06] <Barrett> bye[03:24:17] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[03:29:15] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: I need sleep, or I'm drunk, or both)[03:32:18] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4e35a1a9.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[03:35:43] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9dbf5.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[03:35:58] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@c-68-41-4-65.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[03:36:10] *** HaikuUser2 is now known as SMCollins[03:37:18] *** stargater 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<Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[04:04:35] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9d678.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[04:04:50] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9db63.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[04:05:52] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qcbozaeyadzazzzh> has joined #haiku[04:06:48] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: anevilyak * hrev50920 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=766a9a49b6ca+%5E4ad2ad6d848b[04:06:49] <HAIKU-irker458> 766a9a49b6ca: x86: Update HaikuWebkit to 1.5.4.[04:07:15] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-9-49.moscow.rt.ru> has joined #haiku[04:09:04] <SMCollins> :lurks[04:09:38] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9db63.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[04:10:13] * scottmc fights with haikuporter[04:10:32] * ohnx throws in a punch, too[04:10:59] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9c128.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[04:11:42] <scottmc> ohnx what you working on?[04:11:53] <ohnx> not really a specific one right now[04:12:01] <ohnx> just in the past, it was kind of annoying :p[04:13:19] <scottmc> i'm trying to get joe-4.4 to build but it keeps giving me an error file not found. i suspect a missing dependendy, so now building without the --no-dependencies flag to see if it will actually tell me wtf is wrong.[04:13:57] <SMCollins> I never got anything to build with haikuporter ever[04:14:06] <SMCollins> seemed like vudoo[04:14:11] <SMCollins> bbl[04:14:16] *** SMCollins <SMCollins!~vision@c-68-41-4-65.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[04:14:34] <ohnx> scottmc: is ti just me, or do i only see joe-4.4 in haikuports?[04:15:02] <scottmc> joe-3.8 is the one in haikuports now... and it's borked[04:15:52] <scottmc> i have 4.4 recipe written and even a patch made, just can't figure out why it's not building[04:16:29] <ohnx> ah[04:16:40] <scottmc> oh, going to be awhile ncurses is one of the deps and it takes awhile to build[04:27:12] *** e1z0_ <e1z0_!~textual@netlinux/founder/e1z0> has joined #haiku[04:30:08] <scottmc> https://github.com/scottmc/haikuports/tree/joe/app-editors[04:30:27] <scottmc> maybe someone can spot why it wont build?[04:40:21] <ohnx> scottmc: your patch appears to be doing nothing[04:45:44] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[04:46:31] <scottmc> ohnx it needs to be cleaned up, the only change i made was the last one. it just move the int declaration up[04:46:48] <ohnx> ah ok for the mixed code and declarations[04:47:45] <scottmc> yeah, patch pplies fine, it just won't start the build, like the build_requires aren't met or something[04:54:30] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@75-172-58-158.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[04:54:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[04:56:32] <ohnx> does hexedit work?[04:56:42] *** Skipp_Haiku <Skipp_Haiku!~jskipp@75-172-58-158.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[04:57:21] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@75-172-58-158.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[04:59:05] *** Skipp_Haiku is now known as Skipp_OSX[04:59:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[05:09:19] <scottmc> i havent tried hexedit[05:10:25] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9c128.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[05:12:16] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9efa8.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[05:16:11] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9efa8.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[05:16:58] <jessicah> Haiku already has a hex editor[05:17:03] <jessicah> it's called DiskProbe[05:18:48] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[05:19:39] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[05:22:34] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9ed17.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[05:22:48] <ohnx> well hexedit uses libncurses[05:27:45] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9ed17.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[05:29:44] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9eae3.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[05:46:36] <scottmc> I even tried copying much of the nano recipe since that one builds fine, but no go. i think it's something with the sourcedir name[05:56:40] *** rgb <rgb!8166fef9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.102.254.249> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[06:15:21] <ohnx> scottmc: what errors get spat out?[06:18:35] <scottmc> error somenumber... file not found /boot/home/haikuports/app-editors/joe/work-4.4 or something like that[06:19:07] <scottmc> but the directory is there and have the full tar.gz extracted to it[06:25:35] <Duggan> greetings all[06:25:42] <scottmc> hey[06:26:56] <ohnx> hey Duggan[06:29:07] <Duggan> hej scottmc, ohnx[06:29:31] <Duggan> CodePal is coming along nicely ;)[06:32:03] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[06:33:46] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[06:34:04] *** korli <korli!c299d9e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.153.217.230> has joined #haiku[06:34:34] <Duggan> hej miqlas, korli[06:34:55] <miqlas> hi[06:35:05] <miqlas> it is too early i think[06:35:05] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59.100.30.52> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:35:19] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[06:35:51] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:36:49] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[06:40:13] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/e4c033dcc8e1...86ba52619345[06:40:14] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] dacianf 86ba526 - fairtrade: new recipe (#992)[06:41:56] <korli> hi Duggan miqlas[06:48:23] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has joined #haiku[06:50:41] <miqlas> hi korli![06:51:13] <miqlas> korli, can you merge my python recipes? (numpy, cython, setuptools)[06:53:41] <bbjimmy> korli, can you giove me a pr to update the yab makefile so that we don't need a patchset?[06:53:50] <bbjimmy> *give[06:53:54] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/86ba52619345...7408121f6ff7[06:53:55] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] miqlas 7408121 - cython: bump version (#1086)[06:54:46] <bbjimmy> https://github.com/bbjimmy/YAB[06:56:18] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/7408121f6ff7...51cc8630348d[06:56:19] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] miqlas 51cc863 - numpy : bump version (#1085)[06:57:50] <korli> miqlas: the setuptools PR has still a comment from Pulkomandy open[07:00:05] <korli> bbjimmy: I'll do, you can also apply the patchset if you want[07:00:33] <bbjimmy> dpon't knoe how to apply a pathset.[07:01:03] <bbjimmy> *dom't know[07:02:11] <bbjimmy> too late, too much wine...[07:03:43] <ohnx> bbjimmy: that probably isn't helping lol[07:04:04] <bbjimmy> No it isn't.[07:04:57] <bbjimmy> Lately it is required to listen to the news.[07:05:10] *** e1z0_ <e1z0_!~textual@netlinux/founder/e1z0> has quit IRC (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[07:06:21] <korli> bbjimmy: git am patchset_filename[07:06:50] <korli> from https://git-scm.com/docs/git-am[07:07:05] <bbjimmy> That ios greek to me even it I wasn't drinking wine. :P[07:09:12] <bbjimmy> It's Around ten oh five pm, past my bedtime .... ZZZ[07:09:37] *** bbjimmy is now known as bbjimmy_ZZZ[07:10:33] <korli> bbjimmy_ZZZ: even git am --signoff is enough simple, then git push[07:20:26] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qcbozaeyadzazzzh> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[07:20:56] <Duggan> later bbjimmy_ZZZ[07:30:09] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@75-172-58-158.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[07:32:05] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@75-172-58-158.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[07:32:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[07:33:05] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:35:59] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@75-172-58-158.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[07:37:34] <jessicah> meow[07:39:05] <Duggan> hej jessicah[07:39:39] <Duggan> yeah, I know, it's just me...[07:39:52] <waddlesplash> actually I'm here[07:39:56] <waddlesplash> because I'm stupid[07:40:08] <waddlesplash> (it's presently 1.39am)[07:41:05] <waddlesplash> ... OK enough stupidity[07:41:10] * waddlesplash goes to bed[07:43:46] <Duggan> bye waddlesplash[07:44:43] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[07:46:11] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, I was reading through the Beta 1 thread on the ML. Is there anything we end users can do to help, insofar as package building, or something?[07:48:09] <ignacio> G'night[07:49:51] <AlienSoldier> I wonder what happen with the summer fo code when in beta mode, everyone is bug fixing?[07:50:08] <korli> the first and last images on https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/virtualizing/kvm/ are too large[07:50:55] <korli> AlienSoldier: this is an hypothetical question[07:51:35] <AlienSoldier> i am good at those :P[07:52:46] <jessicah> we're not even at the accepted org state yet[07:52:55] <jessicah> and work would get committed to the master branch[07:53:21] <jessicah> I would imagine stuff would slow get cherry picked into the release branch over time[07:54:45] <Vidrep> gn[07:54:52] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/51cc8630348d...109c02ca3e24[07:54:53] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] miqlas 109c02c - openimageio: fix requires (#1123)[07:55:09] *** Vidrep 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<HAIKU-irker458> 0c1bbfe50878: HaikuDepot: suggested code improvements from Adrien[08:50:43] *** ChomAr <ChomAr!uid208546@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uwrxcaordhqkvqql> has joined #haiku[08:56:44] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3412 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2 is complete: Failure [failed jam @minimum-raw] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2/builds/3412 blamelist: Andrew Lindesay <apl at lindesay dot co.nz>[09:00:58] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[09:03:38] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3199 of haiku-repository-x86_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_hybrid/builds/3199 blamelist: Andrew Lindesay <apl at lindesay dot co.nz>[09:05:44] <Duggan> hej jessicah sorry about that[09:06:00] <Duggan> jessicah not yet :P hopefully in the next couple days I can have it on par with Paladin[09:06:28] <Duggan> at first I'll have it load files in Pe and compile, which is just about all that Paladin does anyway :P[09:06:39] <jessicah> :p[09:07:09] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3428 of haiku-master-x86_64 is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_64/builds/3428 blamelist: Andrew Lindesay <apl at lindesay dot co.nz>[09:07:10] <Duggan> except I'll of course have better control over builds and multi-target support[09:07:42] <jessicah> :)[09:08:10] <Duggan> right now I need to figure out how to pass a vector back to a calling window :/[09:08:37] <Duggan> I'm more or less done with the Build Profiles window, I just need to be able to send the data back to the main window and make sure it's saving properly[09:09:18] <Duggan> I could be evil and just parent->member = value :P but that's too easy...[09:10:34] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3293 of haiku-master-x86 is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86/builds/3293 blamelist: Andrew Lindesay <apl at lindesay dot co.nz>[09:10:45] <jessicah> seems legit to me[09:10:49] <jessicah> lets see if I can fix that[09:10:52] <korli> I saw the code in clockwerk yesterday, amazing heap of different code sources[09:12:21] <korli> jessicah: remove const?[09:12:37] <jessicah> yeah just doing[09:12:54] <jessicah> it even modifies static class members =/[09:13:16] <FlyingJester> #define private public[09:13:29] <jessicah> it's not a private/public issue :p[09:13:45] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3134 of haiku-repository-x86_64 is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_64/builds/3134 blamelist: Andrew Lindesay <apl at lindesay dot co.nz>[09:13:56] <jessicah> hmm, I'll fix that other thing I commented on too[09:15:13] 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<HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: jessicah * hrev50923 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=d9e65badd37b+%5E1290dd913271[09:22:47] <HAIKU-irker458> d9e65badd37b: HaikuDepot: remove invalid use of const.[09:23:05] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[09:27:14] *** mikedld|w <mikedld|w!~mike.dld@128.140.241.11> has left #haiku ("Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com")[09:30:00] * Duggan yawns[09:33:32] <jessicah> tired Duggan?[09:34:35] <Duggan> no, bored :P[09:34:56] <Duggan> I got the data back to the main screen (thanks to fun stuff like forward declarations) but it's not saving for some reason[09:35:16] <Duggan> once I fix that, then it's a matter of adding and removing files and changing their properties and all that, then compiling :P[09:35:17] <jessicah> ah[09:35:26] <jessicah> I'm tired :p[09:35:43] <Duggan> probably going to just ignore most of the compiler settings at first[09:36:06] <Duggan> just so I have something that works... and hopefully will be more stable than Paladin :P[09:38:48] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3413 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2/builds/3413[09:46:23] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fndnipnfixldauas> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[09:52:53] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3429 of haiku-master-x86_64 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_64/builds/3429[09:54:21] <Duggan> well, got that taken care of...[09:57:07] <Duggan> woo![09:57:48] *** AD_Haiku <AD_Haiku!~ad@5ec30d96.skybroadband.com> has joined #haiku[10:00:02] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3384 of haiku-master-x86_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_hybrid/builds/3384[10:01:18] <Duggan> aaaaaand pushed...[10:02:57] *** ppisati_ <ppisati_!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has joined #haiku[10:03:01] <Duggan> you can still download it and play around with it jessicah :P open some bug reports, I know theres plenty :P[10:03:07] <jessicah> :p[10:03:23] <jessicah> huh, I've never heard of the mutable keyword in c++ before[10:03:34] <jessicah> lets you have const functions that can mutate state[10:03:41] <Duggan> just don't add bug reports for obvious stuff like "can't add file to project" :P[10:03:41] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3294 of haiku-master-x86 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86/builds/3294[10:03:45] <jessicah> fascinating[10:03:59] <Duggan> I've heard of it but I think in c#[10:05:08] <AD_Haiku> in webpositive definately... crashed after crappy advert on YT :( if you are gonna crash don't make me watch the advert first...[10:05:20] <jessicah> haha[10:05:48] <jessicah> but the ad is the most important part!!![10:05:49] <Duggan> I know how you feel :/[10:05:50] <jessicah> >:D[10:06:06] <jessicah> Duggan: heh, at least you can't listen to ads :p[10:06:10] *** ppisati <ppisati!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[10:06:15] <Duggan> jessicah :P[10:07:51] <jessicah> hmm, I seem to be listening to some french dance track[10:08:09] <jessicah> spotify comes up with some odd stuff every now and then[10:10:16] <AD_Haiku> was hoping to watch some yt, chat & find some stuff to play with... can't use as a daily driver until netflix runs on it though... or samba + 10bit 1080p playback...[10:10:57] <jessicah> don't think you'll get 10bit any time soon[10:11:00] <jessicah> but SMB is coming[10:12:09] <AD_Haiku> hmm... might be able to stumble along with vnc and running media on the doze machines 2nd monitor[10:13:25] <jessicah> targeting multiple versions of ffmpeg causes all sorts of subtle problems between archs[10:13:45] <jessicah> must dig into the MediaPlayer problem I have...[10:13:56] <jessicah> maybe tomorrow[10:15:23] <Duggan> jessicah in the mean time you can dig into the HDA problem I have :P[10:15:55] <jessicah> HDA works with my hardware[10:16:06] <jessicah> so you'd need to provide me with hardware I can use to replicate the problem :p[10:16:21] <AD_Haiku> and depot only shows vnc server... no client?[10:16:22] <Duggan> I have syslogs :P[10:16:34] * Duggan sighs...[10:16:57] <Duggan> apparently I'm going to have to copy the sources for BColumnListView and customize them anyway... I was really hoping to not have to do that...[10:17:28] <Duggan> BRow has IsExpanded() but no way to set it's expanded state...[10:18:22] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[10:18:35] <jessicah> =/[10:18:46] <Duggan> not to mention you can't hide column headers[10:19:17] <Duggan> BColumn has SetShowHeading but it isn't implemented[10:20:49] <Duggan> jessicah why is nothing I ever want to do easy or work as expected?[10:23:21] <korli> high expectations?[10:24:13] <jessicah> seems like neither class is well designed if you're having this many problems[10:24:18] <AD_Haiku> I remember MUI listview being a pain in the ass back in the day... when I coded and dinosaurs roamed the earth...[10:24:52] <Duggan> is there a way to set a private member in a derived function?... there's gotta be a workaround somehow...[10:28:00] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@150.237.94.36> has joined #haiku[10:28:41] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p2003005B4413EA00022314FFFEAF6410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[10:30:50] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3200 of haiku-repository-x86_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_hybrid/builds/3200[10:43:47] <Duggan> ooooooh[10:44:04] <Duggan> BColumnListView has a function ExpandOrCollapse(BRow*, bool) ... why the hell would they put it there :/[10:45:59] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3135 of haiku-repository-x86_64 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_64/builds/3135[10:46:06] <Duggan> wooo it works :D[10:48:50] <humdinger> I sense a Duggan pattern here: "Meh. This sucks... why this, why not that...?" and a minute later, "Whoohoo. I did it again... \o/"[10:51:26] <AD_Haiku> poorly named function though does true expand or collapse?[10:52:15] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@150.237.94.36> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:52:49] <Duggan> humdinger well if it was right the first time and well documented... :P[10:53:39] <humdinger> !patcheswelcome[10:53:57] <humdinger> :)[10:54:01] <humdinger> $wisdom[10:54:01] <bslsk05> ​GUI: Stack and tile windows by holding the OPT key while moving their borders next to, or title tab on top of each other. <https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/gui.html#move-resize>[10:54:07] <humdinger> at least that works[10:54:47] <Duggan> humdinger I can't[10:54:51] <Duggan> well, I can, but I can't[10:55:22] <Duggan> while the BColumnListView is still not officially "stable" it would still break too many things if I went around changing it[10:55:53] <humdinger> !patcheswelcomefordocumentationtooyouknow[10:56:05] <Duggan> none of my patches would be accepted because "oh well if you do that, it'll break this other thing".... well yeah it will... the other thing is written against an unstable control :P[10:56:27] <Duggan> humdinger if the Haiku Book is "documentation", no thanks :P[10:56:41] <Duggan> I'm considering writing some tutorials though[10:57:00] <humdinger> that would be nice as well. too few of those around.[10:57:42] <Duggan> like short little tutorials about how to get up and running with a single control: "How To Use The BTextControl In A Flash!"[10:58:09] <Duggan> like mini-docs with tutorials on each control[10:59:21] <Duggan> ... kinda like the BeBook... but with a more tutorial like feel[10:59:33] <humdinger> yes. though my problems usually is less with the control itself but when it comes to the layouting.[10:59:43] <Duggan> I'm getting kinda decent at it :P[10:59:56] <Duggan> (after all, look at that beast I just created...)[10:59:59] <humdinger> things normally don't expand as expected when I resize a window.[11:00:10] <Duggan> that's what glue and struts are for :)[11:00:18] <Duggan> mostly glue[11:00:26] <humdinger> I have to sprinkle AddGlue()s here and there and SetEplicitM*Size() etc.[11:00:27] <Duggan> it just takes a few rounds of tweaking[11:00:51] <Duggan> I only used SetExplicit*Size() for the BScrollViews[11:01:18] <Duggan> SetExpectedPreferredSize() or whatever it's called doesn't work at all I think[11:01:27] <Duggan> er[11:01:35] <Duggan> SetExplicitPreferredSize() or whatever[11:01:36] <humdinger> For me windows just won't resize it not about eveery control gets a SetExplicit*Size()[11:02:18] <Duggan> I didn't use it at all for the EditBuildProfileWindow I think[11:02:35] <Duggan> play around with it, see what you think, look at the code[11:03:32] <humdinger> I'll have a look later.[11:04:23] <Duggan> layout for the window starts on line 110[11:05:00] <Duggan> the layout stuff before that is for the views that go into the BTabs (to accommodate(sp) the buttons and BColumnListViews)[11:07:06] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: apl * hrev50924 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=7407e36a1063+%5Ed9e65badd37b[11:07:07] <HAIKU-irker458> 7407e36a1063: HaikuDepot; date formatting and location header handling[11:11:02] <Duggan> am I the only one that uses if the Deskbar scrolls off the side of my screen to determine if I have too many windows open?[11:11:56] <humdinger> I'm using in the classic position. Seldom gets too high...[11:12:48] <Duggan> classic position? always been in the upper right corner of my screen[11:12:59] <Duggan> and it expands down from there (for me anyway)[11:13:12] <Duggan> I do keep it collapsed though[11:13:13] <humdinger> me too. let's call it "missionary"[11:13:16] <Duggan> lol[11:13:42] <humdinger> you said "scrolls off the side of my screen" so I assumed a bar[11:14:00] <Duggan> well, it's on the side, it scrolls off the bottom[11:14:25] <Duggan> only goes down about 2/3rds of the way down my screen right now, just cleaned up...[11:14:54] <Duggan> 4 tracker windows, 2 terminals, 7 Pe windows, 2 web+, vision, depot, 2 paladin[11:15:46] <Duggan> not uncommon for me to have a couple dozen tracker and Pe windows open each at once[11:16:25] <Duggan> I keep my workspaces at 4x4 these days, 3x3 wasn't enough[11:16:26] <humdinger> I just wish the Deskbar width patch would finally land for real.[11:16:34] <humdinger> less trunction.[11:16:58] <humdinger> truncatiion, if that's a word[11:17:05] <humdinger> with one "i"[11:17:09] <humdinger> there.[11:17:22] <Duggan> maybe B_TRUNCATE_BEGINNING or whatever it is should be used[11:17:39] <Duggan> truncating in the middle doesn't do much good and at the end would be pointless[11:18:00] <humdinger> but then I don't know what partition it comes from[11:18:07] <Duggan> maybe being able to reduce the font size... maybe even multiline labels without expanding the height of the box[11:18:50] <Duggan> meh... it shows the window title, so there's no easy way around it...[11:19:16] <Duggan> of course most of the window titles I have up are paths, so truncate beginning would be better for those[11:19:33] <humdinger> or, instead of a tool tip that one has to keep waiting for, resize the one row the mouse is over horizontally until it fits.[11:19:59] <Duggan> hmmm kind of like the twitcher thing in macintosh os 10?[11:20:09] <humdinger> never used a mac.[11:20:14] <Duggan> (I've never used macintosh os 10 but I've seen it)[11:20:38] <humdinger> ah you mean also the icons inflating on mouse over. like that, yes.[11:20:43] <Duggan> yeah[11:21:06] <humdinger> nevertheless, a bt wider by default would be nice too.[11:21:38] <Duggan> meh I like it as it is, maybe because I'm used to it and it's classic, but I admit the text is less than useful[11:22:35] <humdinger> I think some time back someone had the idea of a full screen deskbar kind of thing. that would be nice too.[11:22:36] <Duggan> making it use like 2 lines would be ok to show more text[11:22:48] <humdinger> quick shortcut, bam, click, bam.[11:22:52] <Duggan> yeah, that's called "the desktop" isn't it?[11:23:06] <humdinger> no. that doesn't show all the running apps.[11:23:12] <Duggan> ah[11:23:24] <humdinger> oh, there's also switcher.[11:23:32] <humdinger> have to see if that still works...[11:23:38] <Duggan> I think it was PulkoMandy had a nifty sorting bin idea where you drag files onto it and it sorts them automatically[11:23:44] <Duggan> I could use that for my desktop :P[11:24:00] <humdinger> It's called "Filer"[11:24:06] <humdinger> it's in the depot[11:24:14] <Duggan> oh shit, I thought it never came to fruition[11:24:30] <Duggan> hahaha you joker! no it's not![11:24:31] <Duggan> :P[11:24:50] <humdinger> Filer in depot?[11:25:22] <Duggan> yeah, it's not[11:25:35] <humdinger> I see it... hmm[11:25:35] <Duggan> remember, 64 bit here, boss ;)[11:25:45] <Duggan> I don't get cool toys[11:25:50] <humdinger> ah.[11:25:50] <Duggan> I'm an afterthought :P[11:26:09] <Duggan> so I write my own cool toys like CodePal :P[11:26:18] <humdinger> originally by DarkWyrm btw[11:26:24] <humdinger> and gcc2 only[11:27:15] <Duggan> well I think PulkoMandy had the idea, maybe DarkWyrm developed it, but I know whoever came up with it didn't have time to work on it so they just kinda put the idea out there and left it[11:27:37] <Duggan> well, humdinger, get to a-portin' ;)[11:28:09] <humdinger> I already improved the GUI of it...[11:34:15] <Duggan> good, then you're already familiar with it... ports welcome ;)[11:49:24] * Duggan wanders where jessicah wondered off to...[11:53:07] * Duggan isn't looking forward to attempting to bring up a context menu on a BColumnListView...[11:53:36] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)[11:54:45] <humdinger> I've been trying for 15 minutes now to crash web+. it just won't! :\[11:54:53] <humdinger> I need a screenshot of the debugger alert[11:55:16] <humdinger> oh great. and not it just silently closes at google maps.[11:55:43] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[11:56:00] <Duggan> humdinger try youtube, it crashes web+ all the time for me[11:58:31] <humdinger> that did it. it tried before but clips were downloaded but not played back.[11:58:43] <humdinger> I forgot that the media_server died earlier...[12:00:32] <Duggan> :D[12:00:46] <Duggan> if anybody wants to know how to crash something, I'm the guy to ask ;)[12:00:48] <korli> is youtube not better with the new webkit release?[12:01:06] <Duggan> how new?[12:01:27] <humdinger> last night.[12:01:29] <Duggan> I"m on hrev50867 and web+ is very unstable[12:01:35] <Duggan> oh, beats me[12:01:39] <korli> I left it running yesterday with 1.5.3 and audio is pretty stable, but video stops after 2 minutes[12:01:42] <humdinger> korli: at least it crashed with the first click just now. :)[12:02:03] <korli> and one can't seek[12:02:54] <humdinger> I'll run some errands etc. Be back in some hours...[12:02:57] <humdinger> laters![12:03:06] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d855056.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[12:04:33] *** Muzer <Muzer!~muzer@tim32.org> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[12:07:05] <Duggan> maybe trying to figure out how to display a context menu on a BColumnListView by looking at the source for the debugger wasn't the best idea...[12:12:15] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[12:24:55] *** Muzer <Muzer!~muzer@tim32.org> has joined #haiku[12:31:10] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/894d95bccb14...647fa36be7c5[12:31:11] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] korli 647fa36 - Add Korli as possible mentor for virtio and x86_64/x86.[12:32:17] *** miqlas-UEFI <miqlas-UEFI!~soakbot@ec2-54-80-254-74.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:32:35] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-198-7-197.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[12:32:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[12:35:48] *** ChomAr <ChomAr!uid208546@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uwrxcaordhqkvqql> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[12:42:34] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p2003005B4413EA00022314FFFEAF6410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1)[12:44:36] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p2003005B4413EA00022314FFFEAF6410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[12:48:55] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[12:52:57] <Duggan> DriveSetup did the trick...[12:52:58] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[12:53:34] <Duggan> hej mmu_man[13:00:29] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[13:11:01] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:14:53] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[13:23:32] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!dario@181.46.222.87> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[13:31:42] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@150.237.94.36> has joined #haiku[14:08:27] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxzooyhasnemruja> has joined #haiku[14:11:02] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9eae3.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[14:11:36] <Duggan> ugh... 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looks like you haven't touched it in years[16:11:03] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9e122.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[16:12:14] <waddlesplash> idk maybe[16:12:20] <waddlesplash> kinda busy with school atm[16:12:34] <waddlesplash> and working on the userguide translator when I'm not[16:12:37] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9f816.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[16:13:11] <Duggan> waddlesplash alright, well, maybe one day we can join forces[16:14:30] <Duggan> not having been able to compile Heidi previously, I didn't know it was going to end up being the type of IDE I was planning CodePal to be[16:16:00] <Duggan> but whereas you've done work on the editor section, I've been doing work on the project management side of things[16:22:23] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d855056.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[16:22:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[16:25:17] <Duggan> hej humdinger[16:25:27] <Duggan> yes, I'm still here[16:25:48] <humdinger> Duggan the Insomniac[16:27:41] <Duggan> yearp[16:30:55] <waddlesplash> Duggan: it already loads projects[16:31:18] <waddlesplash> Duggan: it can parse makefile engine projects and then you can push the build button and watch output[16:31:29] <waddlesplash> and push the debugger button and launch in debugger etc[16:31:44] <waddlesplash> I just didn't implement filling in the tree view with the files yet[16:32:07] <waddlesplash> but yeah joining forces would be cool :)[16:32:44] <Duggan> waddlesplash ah... am I blind, stupid, is my build broke? :P[16:33:01] <waddlesplash> Duggan: file -> open a Makefile[16:33:17] <waddlesplash> and the icons to the left will light up and stuff[16:34:12] <waddlesplash> humdinger: fyi I've been working on the userguide translator[16:34:22] <waddlesplash> it's a giant mess but nothing I can't handle :)[16:34:26] <humdinger> the website?[16:35:07] <waddlesplash> yeah the usergude translator app[16:35:36] <humdinger> it's also for creating new pages not just translation.[16:35:42] <humdinger> thanks for looking into it![16:35:42] <waddlesplash> it's at github.com/haiku/userguide-translator[16:35:52] <waddlesplash> yeah but everyone calls it the translator :p[16:35:59] *** bbjimmy_ZZZ <bbjimmy_ZZZ!vision@184.21.100.16> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[16:36:28] <waddlesplash> I've got it running offline here, already rewrote internals to use Git instead of Svn[16:36:52] <waddlesplash> and now working on using PDO instead of the deprecated MySQL plugin[16:37:15] <humdinger> I'm not even sure, are all changes right now pushed into a repo?[16:37:47] <humdinger> will we be able to export automatically (into trunk and the website)?[16:38:05] <waddlesplash> first question: yes[16:38:14] <humdinger> maybe just push it into one repo that's used for the website and to create the packages.[16:38:15] <waddlesplash> all changes internally go into a svn repo[16:38:24] <waddlesplash> that's how there's page history in the ui[16:38:56] <humdinger> cool that this still works, after years of non-maintenance. :)[16:38:58] <waddlesplash> second question: website now gets its copy of userguide from trunk[16:39:06] <waddlesplash> well it didn't :p[16:39:16] <waddlesplash> I just already fixed the breaking issues[16:39:18] <humdinger> oh. thought the page history still works[16:39:24] <waddlesplash> oh right[16:39:33] <waddlesplash> well nobody messed with it so it still works[16:39:52] <waddlesplash> I'll need to convert SVN repos to Git tho[16:40:02] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[16:40:35] <Premislaus> Hello! They are branching today? Any news about new Web+ for x86_64?[16:40:43] <humdinger> how will the export work in future? automatic once per week or manually?[16:41:08] <waddlesplash> I haven't changed that part[16:41:12] <waddlesplash> so it could go either way[16:41:14] <humdinger> Premislaus: doesn't look like it, reading the ML posts[16:41:16] <waddlesplash> I'd prefer manually[16:41:21] <Duggan> hej Premislaus[16:41:29] <humdinger> me too. if it works... :}[16:41:31] <Premislaus> Duggan: Hej.[16:41:35] <Duggan> waddlesplash is that just something for the main servers to handle or is that some sort of user application?[16:41:38] <Premislaus> humdinger: I'm also reading...[16:41:49] <waddlesplash> Duggan: what, userguide translator?[16:41:54] <Duggan> waddlesplash yes[16:41:58] <waddlesplash> Duggan: that's what runs at i18n.haiku-os.org/userguide[16:42:26] <Premislaus> humdinger: The main blocker is automating of packages build?[16:42:35] <Duggan> bah well if it's just for language translation, it's not much use to me unfortunately[16:42:48] <humdinger> waddlesplash: would be nice if everyone could view all the pages read-only. right now it's all behind a log-in wall.[16:42:54] <waddlesplash> what are you looking for?[16:42:58] <waddlesplash> humdinger: I can look into that, yeah[16:43:09] <waddlesplash> humdinger: file ticket, set to Userguide Translator component of Website[16:43:10] <humdinger> Premislaus: yes.[16:43:22] <humdinger> waddlesplash: thanks. will do![16:43:35] <waddlesplash> I'll make those tickets assign to me now[16:43:36] <Duggan> me? any alternative to doxygen for automated documentation generation lol[16:45:15] <Premislaus> humdinger: Why we don't use OpenQA and OBS from openSUSE?[16:45:37] <Premislaus> humdinger: Many Linux distros use it.[16:45:42] <humdinger> Premislaus: no idea what's that?[16:45:48] <Premislaus> humdinger: And we are open source.[16:45:51] <Premislaus> humdinger: One minute.[16:46:06] <Premislaus> humdinger: https://openqa.opensuse.org/[16:46:14] <Duggan> Premislaus saying "we are open source" doesn't mean much if you don't abide at least by the licenses[16:46:29] <Premislaus> humdinger: https://build.opensuse.org/[16:47:29] <Premislaus> humdinger: We can use OBS for packages, I think. Ane we need seriously something like OpenQA. Years ago I proposed to spend some Haiku Inc money to build real and professional infrastructure.[16:48:00] <humdinger> Premislaus: Ah, testing. I have no experience with formal testing or the software used for it. I leave that to the pros.[16:48:02] <Premislaus> Duggan: But we don't need code only some web services.[16:49:18] <Barrett> Premislaus, Haiku don't need to change path another time[16:49:30] <Duggan> for whatever reason I didn't notice the last scan was so recent until now: https://scan.coverity.com/projects/haiku-32bit[16:49:32] <Barrett> we have our buildbots etc. and they are fine for now[16:51:39] <Premislaus> humdinger: I think OBS is for RPMs, but maybe *someone* can patch it for hpkg and "they" do not refuse it. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Tutorial#Prerequisites[16:51:46] <Duggan> 64 bit was last scanned in 2013[16:52:05] <Premislaus> Barrett: Ah OK.[16:52:26] <humdinger> waddlesplash: we could name the category "User docs site". it's not just translation, and it houses the Welcome pages as well.[16:52:56] <waddlesplash> humdinger: there already is and has been a category for some time tho[16:53:01] <Barrett> I think the real issue is that "admin team" is really stopping the haiku development[16:53:01] *** ChomAr <ChomAr!uid208546@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kipyjoxfyysavtrs> has joined #haiku[16:53:11] <humdinger> waddlesplash: I mean "rename"[16:53:14] <Barrett> before all, it's not clear who the admin team is[16:53:17] <waddlesplash> eh[16:53:20] <waddlesplash> might as well leave it as is[16:53:48] <Barrett> it's not clear how permissions are handled, who manages them, who keep the security at a decent level[16:54:41] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9f816.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[16:55:10] <Barrett> there's not generally any formal title or access gain process, lots of people proposed to help in this sense[16:55:27] <humdinger> reboot[16:55:28] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d855056.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[16:55:33] <Barrett> I still have not seen anyone to come up and talk in the voice of the administrators[16:56:22] <Barrett> this justs looks to my eyes as there's no control at all[16:56:24] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9eecb.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[16:58:04] <Premislaus> Barrett: I think process of making decisions is ad hoc in Haiku, something like slavic war democracy.[16:58:36] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d855056.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[16:58:36] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[16:59:41] <Barrett> wasn't Haiku a meritocracy, the project led by developers, ecc.?[17:02:27] <Premislaus> Barrett: Over one thousand years ago, in the Slavic Tribes, there was something like ting (wiec in Polish). Free mans just sited in circle, with some priest, they chose the Prince, for war - in our case this is "branch-master".[17:02:58] <Premislaus> *free men's[17:03:26] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!xemdetia@nat/ibm/x-dbvjnrwkqwhqvilz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:04:04] <Premislaus> Barrett: In the Haiku case, free men's are people with commit access.[17:04:38] <Barrett> Premislaus, this isn't 100% true either[17:05:03] <Barrett> there's not really any open discussion on how certain sides are handled[17:05:17] <Barrett> matter of fact the project is dependant on Haiku Inc.[17:05:46] <Barrett> there's not a third separate entitiy like the "admin team" really[17:05:55] <Barrett> just people that can give access at it's own option[17:06:04] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!xemdetia@nat/ibm/x-svtrutnfykuvksgx> has joined #haiku[17:06:38] <Barrett> and AFAIK this people coincide mostly with Haiku Inc. board members + glorious developers/contributors from the past[17:07:40] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9eecb.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:07:45] <Barrett> interdependency and spaghetti management clearly show it doesn't work IMHO[17:11:51] <Premislaus> Barrett: I think we can look at that who is still active: PulkoMandy, Barett, jessicah, waddlesplash, mmu_man, korli, axeld, et consortes. Maybe Haiku Inc should be disbanded. I don't know.[17:12:13] *** King_Warg1 <King_Warg1!~Wildman@50.110.99.218> has joined #haiku[17:12:29] <Premislaus> Barrett: Or moved to Europe.[17:12:38] <Barrett> I asked like a trillion of times about how to add a tracked unofficial branch, who have to ask to do so[17:12:57] <Barrett> so that I could work some risky features and get review at the same time[17:13:03] <Barrett> no reply so far[17:13:23] <Barrett> there's even a message in ML asking for that in the contract period[17:13:53] *** King_Warg <King_Warg!~Wildman@184-15-27-111.dr01.chtn.wv.frontiernet.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:14:00] <Barrett> Premislaus, don't know maybe try to start a discussion in ml[17:14:30] <Barrett> propose yourself to enter into the Haiku Inc. board[17:14:44] <Barrett> you've asked in past how to help the community without development skills[17:14:57] <Premislaus> Barrett: I deactivated or deleted my account on free list two years ago.[17:15:14] <Barrett> you're around from a lot of time, and Haiku Inc. keep saying "no one helps us"[17:15:15] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[17:18:36] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has joined #haiku[17:18:45] *** pfoetchen <pfoetchen!~pfoetchen@beiboot1.petschge.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:18:53] *** pfoetchen <pfoetchen!~pfoetchen@beiboot1.petschge.de> has joined #haiku[17:19:03] <waddlesplash> Barrett: page someone with access to vmrepo, I think jessicah has root there[17:20:22] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9d8bc.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[17:20:29] <Premislaus> Barrett: I think there is a trick, I'm not US citizen and I'm not coder. But we can do something like that, some data is send in automatic manner, like info about donations, and we collectively can parse it in nice article on the Google Docs (in one of my past job we used it for pensions).[17:20:53] <Barrett> Premislaus, I don't see a problem with not being US citizen[17:22:11] <Premislaus> Barrett: Taxes and probably American law about personal information's, like GIODO in Poland (The General Inspector for Personal Data Protection).[17:22:40] <Barrett> Premislaus, still I don't see where the problem is[17:26:39] <Barrett> joining the board isn't something that has to do with US laws at all[17:27:40] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9d8bc.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:27:50] <axeld> Premislaus: We actually have a few non US board members[17:27:56] <Premislaus> Barrett: I think I'm to dumb, but I see problems in our politics and managment I'm observing other open source project, some automatic testings or code reviews are standards, any patch must be accepted by two or four people. And we have old patches on Trac, for years.[17:28:53] <Premislaus> And we don't have point release - this is damaging for community. 5 minutes, I have tel call.[17:29:21] <DKnoto> Many years, 5+[17:29:23] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@vir91-7-88-163-35-222.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[17:30:18] <Barrett> well Haiku is near to it's beta[17:30:22] <axeld> Premislaus: you're mixing quite a few issues here at will. Those are all separate things that shouldn't be mixed. However, most issues we have today are caused by lack of man power[17:34:55] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9ecab.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[17:35:12] <Premislaus> axeld: Yeah, I know. Just mentioned what came to my mind. Speaking of myself, I think I can only read the data about donations and make PDF document with results.[17:36:20] <Premislaus> axeld: On other fronts. DKnoto wants to restart Polish portal, and I'm still learning English and I want to make English vortal like OMG Ubuntu or Ars Technica, about Haiku, open source and "IT lifestyle"[17:38:22] <Premislaus> axeld: For years I wrote abou Haiku, and made some support for users. Currently I'm "helping" ryoshu, in spiritual way and talking about Haiku. After job hours he is working on porting Haiku to NetBSD.[17:39:03] <Premislaus> axeld: And in this work, Haiku Kits on top NetBSD kernel I see some hope for Haiku, for speed up development, for more users and devs, some media coverage.[17:43:28] <Premislaus> axeld: Maybe after three months he can get simple window with button.[17:50:06] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9ecab.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:51:56] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[17:52:15] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9d72e.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[17:57:15] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4db9cd9d.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[17:57:40] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9d72e.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[17:59:20] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@vir91-7-88-163-35-222.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[18:05:50] *** xemdetia_ <xemdetia_!xemdetia@nat/ibm/x-ptaofdoazqaulmwp> has joined #haiku[18:08:55] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!xemdetia@nat/ibm/x-svtrutnfykuvksgx> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[18:31:06] <Barrett> Premislaus, no need to type people nick at each sentence :)[18:40:53] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has joined #haiku[18:50:59] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[18:52:15] *** savant_d <savant_d!~savant@178.162.117.40> has joined #haiku[18:54:46] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[19:01:52] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@x59cc9a12.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[19:01:58] <miqlas-H64> Hi![19:02:25] <miqlas-H64> Guys, i'm a bit overwhelmed.[19:02:58] <miqlas-H64> I had to explain to 2 collegues, what "." and ".." is actually in the output of "dir" or "ls"[19:03:08] <miqlas-H64> Is it really so today?[19:03:52] <miqlas-H64> is it normal?[19:04:24] <humdinger> depends. most people have never seen a shell.[19:04:29] <miqlas-H64> I know tis is the touch-interface-century, but hey, this thing used not inly in directory structures....[19:04:54] <miqlas-H64> Our CAD program using that to sybmolise the realtive links in the Product structure too[19:05:50] <humdinger> maybe they just never though to translate that knowledge to its other occurance.[19:05:54] <humdinger> *thought[19:07:21] <miqlas-H64> look, humdinger: i had to explain to soe new collegues, how one makes a zip.[19:07:54] <miqlas-H64> it is a bit strange sometimes, to talk abot "common-sense"[19:08:17] <miqlas-H64> i hope i 'm using the correct words for that.[19:14:42] *** stakewinner00 <stakewinner00!~stakewinn@208.96.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es> has joined #haiku[19:15:32] <Premislaus> miqlas-H64: We are old generation...[19:15:46] <Premislaus> miqlas-H64: I don't have this dots in dir and ls.[19:16:01] <Premislaus> waddlesplash: I just installed that GoHugo.[19:16:08] <Premislaus> waddlesplash: And git.[19:16:16] <Premislaus> I never used it before.[19:17:06] <Premislaus> HaikuBootloader is good for dual boot with Linux or I must give up and use GRUB or that refind?[19:19:21] <miqlas-H64> Premislaus: then you should be 12, but then i would ask you, is your bart some kind of DNA misfunction?[19:20:17] <miqlas-H64> maybe you should try with "ls -la"[19:22:07] <humdinger> Premislaus: you can use bootman to dual-boot with Linux. You need to install grub into the Linux partition though.[19:22:24] <humdinger> Premislaus: mind you, "the partition", not in the MBR of the disk.[19:23:04] <Premislaus> miqlas-H64: ls -la has dots. I think dots are for going to level up on the file system. What means bart?[19:23:32] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: I need sleep, or I'm drunk, or both)[19:23:37] <Premislaus> humdinger: Hmm later I try it with EFI.[19:23:52] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[19:25:28] <Premislaus> miqlas-H64: And dots in file name means directory, from what I see (currently I'm using Konsole)[19:27:46] <Premislaus> humdinger: *They* told me that openSUSE is robust like German cars or industry, I'm think that is clumsy like Skoda (Volkswagen parts).[19:28:22] <Premislaus> *thinking[19:28:34] <humdinger> I know next to nothing about any distro... so...[19:28:53] <Premislaus> humdinger: You are using only Haiku?[19:29:45] <humdinger> 99% I'd say.[19:30:00] <Premislaus> humdinger: And this critical 1% is?[19:30:11] <Premislaus> :>[19:31:10] <humdinger> LibreOffice, Calibre[19:31:57] <humdinger> recently tried Inkscape to edit SVGs, but that didn't work 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<miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[21:13:13] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[21:14:49] *** rgb <rgb!~vision@vir91-7-88-163-35-222.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[21:14:54] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@vir91-7-88-163-35-222.fbx.proxad.net> has left #haiku[21:22:24] *** hbelusca <hbelusca!~hbelusca@reactos/developer/hbelusca> has joined #haiku[21:27:20] *** kentahaiku <kentahaiku!~vision@5ec14eb1.skybroadband.com> has joined #haiku[21:30:02] <kentahaiku> how many people in here are from europe?[21:30:33] <rgb> me (french)[21:30:43] <PulkoMandy> french also[21:30:52] *** pdziepak <pdziepak!~pdziepak@88.98.223.225> has joined #haiku[21:30:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o pdziepak[21:30:52] <PulkoMandy> we have a map of users on the forum too[21:31:21] <miqlas> ummm...i got the latest blender compiled on Haiku...[21:32:02] <PulkoMandy> kentahaiku: user's map: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1QKA5abFUSzgvN93WRnvKd1JrJSQ&usp=sharing[21:32:02] <miqlas> the problem is: it sigsegv at start, and the backtrace isn't too helpful: "#backtrace"[21:32:56] <PulkoMandy> miqlas: progress![21:32:56] <miqlas> so i have no idea, what's going on. Do i really need to step one to one into it with debugger?[21:33:08] <waddlesplash> miqlas: pastebin?[21:33:12] <kentahaiku> nice![21:33:16] <miqlas> strace doesn't say anything helpful.[21:33:26] <waddlesplash> yes well will be mostly useless[21:33:31] <miqlas> waddlesplash: here: "#backtrace"[21:33:45] <PulkoMandy> miqlas: Debugger ./blender and press "run" ?[21:33:56] <miqlas> PulkoMandy: lemme try.[21:34:04] <PulkoMandy> maybe put a breakpoint in abort() or somewhere else to try to catch it[21:34:05] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: do you realize that in the sidebar, it shows the keys as some random users' name and location[21:34:05] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: I think you need a header column :p[21:34:20] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: yes, saw that too late and found no way to edit[21:35:09] <miqlas> PulkoMandy: i did it, it is terminated. Is it helpful for you?[21:35:22] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy, well there are some more users now, can't you remake it from the spreadsheet?[21:35:49] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: I update it manually from forum posts, but yes, I guess we could export the data, wipe it, and import again[21:36:57] <kentahaiku> the haikudepot app would love some debouncing, I've tried building it from the git repo but when I click on the binary generated it just crash[21:36:59] <PulkoMandy> (also: if people want to be on the map, just send me your city or approximate location and I add it)[21:37:21] <hbelusca> PulkoMandy: hi! will you provide some free haiku cds @ fosdem?[21:37:56] <waddlesplash> CDs? people still want those?[21:38:08] <waddlesplash> lol[21:38:18] <hbelusca> or usbs[21:38:23] <hbelusca> dunno what you offer :P[21:38:31] <hbelusca> (maybe it's the surprise)[21:40:35] <PulkoMandy> I think the best we can do is Qr-Codes so you can download it yourself[21:40:49] <hbelusca> :D[21:40:52] <kentahaiku> I think stickers are now the new CDs[21:41:15] <PulkoMandy> I will try to prepare an USB stick if people want to install Haiku, but I don't want to give it away :)[21:41:17] <kentahaiku> also t-shirt, but you can easily bribe people with t-shirts[21:41:54] <PulkoMandy> we may make CDs or USB sticks for sale after beta1 is released[21:42:10] <PulkoMandy> (so, quite probably not in time for this years FOSDEM)[21:42:32] <PulkoMandy> and yes, we should do more TShirts and stickets[21:42:35] <hbelusca> ^^[21:42:47] <hbelusca> naive question from my part: haiku boots from usb?[21:42:52] <PulkoMandy> yes[21:42:53] <waddlesplash> of course[21:43:01] <hbelusca> :)[21:43:04] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: you would think so, but ReactOS still doesn't[21:43:15] <hbelusca> yeah we have some problems with usb drivers.[21:43:17] <waddlesplash> and we even have USB3 support[21:43:36] <miqlas> waddlesplash: partial[21:43:44] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[21:43:48] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy i want a Haiku Pidjama[21:43:54] <waddlesplash> ah[21:44:07] <miqlas> PulkoMandy: what kind of info should i get from debugger after i pressed the run and it already terminated?[21:44:17] <PulkoMandy> AlienSoldier: great idea, but I'm not aware of any company that would print that[21:44:26] <PulkoMandy> miqlas: no, you need to catch it before it terminates[21:44:43] <PulkoMandy> either by hand using "step" instead of "run", or putting some breakpoints before running[21:44:45] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: we really should have our abort() implementation call debugger()[21:44:56] <miqlas> can you maybe give some tip, how should i do that? it terminates in the same second i presed the run.[21:45:27] <PulkoMandy> miqlas: is it build with debug info? do you see the sourcecode in debugger?[21:45:37] <miqlas> nope[21:45:48] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: since abort() is by definition an unclean exit[21:45:52] <miqlas> bit the binary is really big (4x mb)[21:46:18] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: yes, I was afraid some apps would rely on abort to exit without waiting for the user to click on something however[21:46:33] <PulkoMandy> (I can imagine it being called from a test in a configure script, for example)[21:47:25] <kentahaiku> does anyone here can help me understand how to build a single app from the repository?[21:47:31] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: well it shouldn't be[21:47:40] <miqlas> i thought the debugger using the "real" source to show where we are right now.[21:47:49] *** cucujoidea <cucujoidea!b2076042@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.7.96.66> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[21:47:55] <waddlesplash> kentahaiku: "jam ... TargetName"[21:47:58] <PulkoMandy> kentahaiku: first you run the configure script with appropriate options, then jam -q HaikuDepot (or whatever app name)[21:48:05] <kentahaiku> I've tried running jam -q[21:48:10] <kentahaiku> HaikuDepot[21:48:17] <kentahaiku> it generates a binary[21:48:17] <PulkoMandy> the first time it will build all dependencies as well (libraries and other things)[21:48:23] <kentahaiku> but it force close[21:48:40] <PulkoMandy> kentahaiku: does your source checkout hrev matches the one you are running?[21:49:03] <PulkoMandy> there was an ABI change in the HTTP kit lately which may cause crashes if your executable expects another version of it[21:49:03] <kentahaiku> mmm should I git checkout that specific commit?[21:49:19] <PulkoMandy> either that, or update your install to match what you have checked out[21:49:45] <PulkoMandy> (git checkout hrevXXXXX if you have the git tags - ie you cloned from our main repo, not from github)[21:50:20] <kentahaiku> I cloned from github, of course[21:50:27] <kentahaiku> :LD[21:50:36] <kentahaiku> where is the main repo hosted?[21:50:38] <miqlas> PulkoMandy: can you check please the current blender patchset in Haikuports? I applied it. There is some pthread things, maybe they aren't required anymore.[21:51:01] <PulkoMandy> kentahaiku: https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/get-source-git[21:51:12] <PulkoMandy> you can add that as a remote and fetch just the tags without re-cloning everything[21:51:34] <kentahaiku> yup I'll do that[21:52:05] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: I see some bullet points inside a "terminal" code block in that page :>[21:53:02] <kentahaiku> woah, there's the whole history of tags there[21:53:10] <kentahaiku> it might take a while[21:53:19] <PulkoMandy> and I think a missing closing tag, too, as everything after "Getting the source code through an HTTP proxy" is indented too much[21:53:34] <PulkoMandy> yes, we are possibly the git repo with most tags[21:53:41] <PulkoMandy> too bad there isn't an award for this :>[21:53:52] <kentahaiku> lol[21:57:02] <miqlas> PulkoMandy: we should beat vim.... but with the "releases"[21:58:22] <miqlas> PulkoMandy: i'm in "find_loaded_image_by_name" it takes ages... it checks a million thing with strncmp[21:59:03] <miqlas> what does this "step out" button does? could it be helpful for me right now?[21:59:49] <kentahaiku> it goes back to the parent function[22:00:00] <kentahaiku> out of the function you're executing[22:00:19] <kentahaiku> step into goes inside a function to inspect what that is doing[22:00:22] <miqlas> will it finist the current things, and breaks in the parent, or will it jump back right now?[22:00:28] <kentahaiku> step over run the function without entering it[22:00:47] <kentahaiku> it continues till it finish[22:00:49] <miqlas> then i should press the step out right now.[22:00:58] <kentahaiku> and then once you hit a return[22:01:11] <kentahaiku> maybe?[22:01:18] <PulkoMandy> yes, you can "step out" of a boring strncmp[22:01:18] <miqlas> ok, now i'm in "load_image"[22:01:20] <kentahaiku> don't know what you are doing[22:02:06] <miqlas> no i'm in "load_dependecies".... i feel the fire...[22:03:05] <miqlas> FreeChunk... is it a progress? or doesn't?[22:04:16] <kentahaiku> it worked, thanks @PulkoMandy[22:06:29] <miqlas> it dieed somewhere in pthread, i think[22:07:38] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/92708380e172...f236353c848a[22:07:39] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson f236353 - cpctools: fix build dependency on libpng16.[22:11:12] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Quiit...)[22:12:50] <kentahaiku> oh, how nice there's already a placeholder: // TODO: Do this with a delay![22:18:37] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 15 commits to master [+9/-1/±14] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/f236353c848a...681707875af9[22:18:39] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 12ebd5b - copynametoclipboard: enable x86_64.[22:18:40] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 3be8749 - remember: enable x86_64.[22:18:41] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 9fbb5ae - rename: fix build on x86_64.[22:18:43] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] ... and 12 more commits.[22:28:07] *** BrunoSpre <BrunoSpre!~vision@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[22:35:57] *** Dane__ <Dane__!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[22:41:08] *** BrunoSpre <BrunoSpre!~vision@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[22:41:23] <stargate1> re[22:42:53] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[22:44:02] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has joined #haiku[22:44:18] *** HaikuUser is now known as Dane__[22:44:21] <Dane__> Boingggg[22:44:33] <kentahaiku> boingggg[22:44:37] <Dane__> :-)[22:44:56] <Dane__> Anybody got an opinion on which recent nightly is fairly stable/reliable?[22:45:39] <Dane__> waddlesplash![22:45:47] <kentahaiku> I'm on the penultimate nightly and it's fairly more stable than a couple back on a recently new virtualbox[22:46:09] <Dane__> What does penultimate mean in this case?[22:46:11] <kentahaiku> but I've updated virtualbox in between and even the host os[22:46:11] <Dane__> The most recent?[22:46:15] <PulkoMandy> I recently fixed an important bug in the web browser, so I would recommend to update[22:46:23] <kentahaiku> the one before that[22:46:24] <Dane__> PulkoMandy Nifty[22:46:31] <Dane__> One back from the current, ok kentahaiku[22:47:27] <Dane__> 50913 kentahaiku?[22:48:09] <Dane__> PulkoMandy Which build would that have been included in?[22:48:38] <PulkoMandy> hrev50918 onwards[22:49:10] <PulkoMandy> just update to the latest hrev50924, the other changes to get there are even more bugfixes (in HaikuDepot, mostly)[22:49:19] <Dane__> ok[22:49:20] <Dane__> thanks[22:53:29] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4db9cd9d.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[22:53:55] <Premislaus> waddlesplash: We have golang 1.3, GoHugo needs 1.5. Is not possible to just compile golang 1.5 on Haiku?[22:53:58] <kentahaiku> what's the fastest way to update haiku?[22:54:23] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9cd9d.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[22:54:52] <Premislaus> kentahaiku: Change repositories to current, you have preflet for this, then in terminal just type pkgman update and reboot.[22:57:16] <PulkoMandy> Premislaus: our recipe for golang 1.3 uses Google Code repos which are now closed, so we can't even rebuild that[22:57:31] <PulkoMandy> we need to move our changes to a more recent version[22:57:40] <PulkoMandy> and maybe try to upstream them so this doesn't happen again[22:57:41] <Premislaus> kentahaiku: If you have older version without repo preflet, look at it - https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks/updating-system/[22:58:51] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to release [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/447d9283b65b...08dfb0bf705e[22:58:53] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 08dfb0b - mesa: fix build with Bison 3.x[22:58:55] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy: Right. Google is famous for starting some projects and closing them. There is no more mirrors for old code?[22:59:18] <PulkoMandy> there are mirrors, but the build process downloads things from many repos[22:59:33] <PulkoMandy> so we need to find where each of them has moved, and adjust our fork accordingly[23:00:05] <kentahaiku> see you after the reboot[23:00:07] *** kentahaiku <kentahaiku!~vision@5ec14eb1.skybroadband.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[23:00:25] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/681707875af9...db1555d865bb[23:00:27] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy db1555d - mesa: fix build with Bison 3.x[23:01:20] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@5ec14eb1.skybroadband.com> has joined #haiku[23:01:43] *** HaikuUser is now known as kentahaiku[23:02:02] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy: This is good - https://github.com/golang/go/tree/release-branch.go1.3 ??[23:02:48] <PulkoMandy> yes, we need to merge this with our fork I think[23:03:00] <PulkoMandy> (which is somewhere on bitbucket, if I remember correctly)[23:03:05] <axeld> PulkoMandy: when is the gsoc deadline?[23:03:25] <PulkoMandy> 9 of february[23:03:27] <axeld> PulkoMandy: It would certainly be nice to announce the beta branch before that[23:03:45] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy: https://bitbucket.org/zhuowei/go-1-3-haiku/[23:03:54] <axeld> Just to show that we're serious :-)[23:05:17] <PulkoMandy> axeld: yes, and we have some time before the student application period officially starts. Since I am org admin for GSoC, this is the time window I can commit on getting these things set up, after that I'll be administrating GSoC and probably also mentoring[23:07:13] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@37.250.244.177.bredband.tre.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Lämnar)[23:09:05] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[23:11:06] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@apn-31-0-65-25.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[23:15:06] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-092-252-008-228.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Quit: axeld)[23:15:39] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:16:07] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:17:37] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9cd9d.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[23:19:11] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9e42e.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[23:20:03] <miqlas> PulkoMandy: the user can disable the abort handler from command line! It crashes nicely with the debug window now! :)[23:21:02] *** kentahaiku <kentahaiku!~vision@5ec14eb1.skybroadband.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:23:20] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@apn-31-0-65-25.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[23:23:23] *** kentahaiku <kentahaiku!~kentaromi@2a02:c7f:c609:a00:6c6c:be5b:71b8:a574> has joined #haiku[23:24:49] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9e42e.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[23:29:32] *** rgb <rgb!~vision@vir91-7-88-163-35-222.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[23:31:20] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a363.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[23:31:23] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[23:36:15] <kentahaiku> why is haiku stuck with a 2001 compiler for R1 ?[23:36:30] <miqlas> it isn't. use search x86in terminal[23:36:38] <miqlas> "setarch x86"[23:37:34] <kentahaiku> no I mean for the apps, PulkoMandy told me they have to be compiled with gcc 2[23:38:01] <miqlas> check the mailing list, there are loooong threads abot it.[23:38:19] <kentahaiku> what should I search for?[23:38:23] <kentahaiku> gcc 2?[23:38:24] <miqlas> gcc2[23:38:36] <Premislaus> kentahaiku: Because initial idea for Haiku was BeOS-compatible.[23:38:52] <miqlas> long story short: to keep haiku compatible with the old beos programs.[23:39:05] <miqlas> it was the target for r1.[23:40:33] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a363.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[23:40:51] <miqlas> btw the apps shouldn't need to be compilable with gcc2. A nice example is: WebPositive. GCC2 cannot compile it.[23:41:17] <miqlas> but it is a paort of te gcc2h, because it compiled with the secondary compiler (gcc5.4.0)[23:43:07] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[23:43:22] <miqlas-H64> So Ladies and Gentlemans: Blender on Haiku: http://chunk.io/f/fb9b4a0097a445f4ae2719496af962ed[23:46:26] <kentahaiku> cool[23:48:41] <hbelusca> What does haiku use for its windowing subsystem? something completely homebrewed, or does it use some parts of X-window?[23:49:34] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!xemdetia@nat/ibm/x-ptaofdoazqaulmwp> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[23:50:18] <miqlas> hbelusca: app_server (homebrew)[23:50:46] <hbelusca> thanks![23:51:49] *** kentahaiku <kentahaiku!~kentaromi@2a02:c7f:c609:a00:6c6c:be5b:71b8:a574> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[23:53:14] <miqlas-H64> Blender log: http://chunk.io/f/604155b4788c4f7d8412cecb045d8f01[23:53:33] *** rgb <rgb!~vision@vir91-7-88-163-35-222.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[23:53:59] <miqlas-H64> i go to sleep.[23:54:00] <miqlas-H64> good night[23:54:11] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[23:55:08] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:58:22] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy, Premislaus, korli has a GitHub repo with a newer go port I think[23:58:32] <waddlesplash> I don't know how much newer or if it works or not[23:58:36] <waddlesplash> haven't checked