January 30, 2017 
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January 30, 2017 [00:10:08] <ohnx> lol[00:11:01] <Premislaus> ohnx: why "lol"?[00:11:18] <ohnx> nvm[00:11:26] <Premislaus> lol[00:13:06] <tojoko> good night[00:13:43] *** tojoko <tojoko!~tonio@p5B151DE6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:30:04] *** petterhj <petterhj!~Petter@cm-84.209.150.30.getinternet.no> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[00:31:36] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-085-008-103-120.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Quit: axeld)[00:36:36] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:42:34] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[00:47:53] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: jessicah * hrev50912 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=0d51483faea2+%5Eaa3083e086e5[00:47:54] <HAIKU-irker458> 614d494afcec: DefaultMediaTheme: use DetachedFromWindow() for unwatching media events.[00:47:55] <HAIKU-irker458> 0d51483faea2: HaikuDepot: format string fixes.[00:59:04] *** stakewinner00 <stakewinner00!~stakewinn@111.141.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es> has quit IRC ()[01:00:58] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[01:21:01] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3419 of haiku-master-x86_64 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_64/builds/3419[01:23:41] *** DCatt <DCatt!~vision@pool-71-113-14-51.rcmdva.east.verizon.net> has joined #haiku[01:32:03] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@apn-31-0-36-8.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[01:34:03] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[01:42:25] *** ryoshu <ryoshu!~kamil@netbsd/developer/kamil> has joined #haiku[01:42:40] <ryoshu> https://github.com/haiku/haiku/blob/b65adbdfbc322bb7d86d74049389c688e9962f15/src/kits/locale/DateFormat.cpp#L10[01:42:49] <ryoshu> what and where is unicode/uversion.h[01:44:19] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3128 of haiku-repository-x86_64 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_64/builds/3128[01:45:11] <ryoshu> hmm apparently it's from icu[01:45:41] <Barrett> yes[01:46:56] <ryoshu> what version?[01:47:36] <ryoshu> is this[01:47:49] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@174-25-143-249.ptld.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[01:47:50] *** HaikuUser2 is now known as leofseige_haikuo[01:48:30] <Barrett> it's downloaded automatically by the buildsystem[01:48:30] *** leofseige_haikuo is now known as leofseige_beos[01:49:18] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@71.11.67.179> has joined #haiku[01:50:49] <ryoshu> I have locally 58.2 I hope it's fine[01:51:38] <ryoshu> https://github.com/haiku/haiku/blob/b65adbdfbc322bb7d86d74049389c688e9962f15/src/kits/Jamfile#L43[01:51:42] <ryoshu> what does this line mean[01:51:49] <ryoshu> [ MultiArchDefaultGristFiles libstorage_kit_mime.a ][02:03:22] <mmu_man> it means that it would generate either libstorage_kit_mime.a or <x86>libstorage_kit_mime.a or <x86_64>libstorage_kit_mime.a or whatever arch[02:03:28] <mmu_man> IIRC[02:03:48] <mmu_man> this allows to have the same rule for both primary and secondary arch[02:04:40] <ryoshu> hmm isn't it just generating libbe.so (or .a)?[02:05:04] <mmu_man> well, generating or referencing[02:05:08] <mmu_man> didn't check the context[02:05:39] <mmu_man> local libbe = [ MultiArchDefaultGristFiles libbe.so ] ;[02:06:02] <mmu_man> the for loop will unroll like:[02:06:18] <mmu_man> SharedLibrary libbe.so : ... libstorage_kit_mime.a ... ;[02:06:26] <mmu_man> SharedLibrary <x86>libbe.so : ... <x86>libstorage_kit_mime.a ... ;[02:06:34] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[02:06:35] <mmu_man> for a gcc2h setup[02:06:40] <mmu_man> something like this[02:06:55] <mmu_man> just grep -R MultiArchDefaultGristFiles build/jam[02:06:58] *** drawkula <drawkula!~username@p4FC10C9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[02:07:06] <ryoshu> I see[02:07:09] <ryoshu> thanks![02:07:16] <ryoshu> DoCatalogs libbe.so[02:07:17] <ryoshu> : x-vnd.Haiku-libbe[02:07:21] <mmu_man> see build/jam/ArchitectureRules[02:07:22] <ryoshu> what is that?[02:08:05] <Barrett> the buildsystem rules[02:08:06] <mmu_man> this rule generates the translations (catalogs) for the library from the source code, and assigns it to the MIME signature[02:08:14] <mmu_man> so that the code can load it by signature[02:08:39] <mmu_man> the locale stuff is initialized with a context[02:08:46] <mmu_man> which usually is the MIME signature of the app or lib[02:08:55] <ryoshu> is it part of ELF?[02:09:02] <ryoshu> this "x-vnd.Haiku-libbe"?[02:09:03] <mmu_man> to allow for the same string to be translated differently else'where[02:09:20] <mmu_man> it ends up in a resource[02:09:34] <mmu_man> which is part of the file itself but not the ELF structure[02:09:55] <mmu_man> although I'm not sure it's strictly required (I don't think the locale kit checks the lib's own sig[02:10:08] <mmu_man> it's just a token used in the source code to match with the catalog[02:10:11] <mmu_man> IIRC[02:10:12] <ryoshu> interesting[02:10:15] <mmu_man> PulkoMandy might say more[02:10:25] <ryoshu> for now I will move on, thanks![02:10:49] <mmu_man> although the string itself will happen to be somewhere in the .ro section in the ELF file since the code initializes the locale stubs with it[02:11:37] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!dario@181.47.128.6> has joined #haiku[02:12:00] <ryoshu> iirc there are sections like read-only strings[02:14:33] <mmu_man> named something like .ro yes[02:14:36] <mmu_man> or .rodata[02:18:02] *** drawkula <drawkula!~username@p4FC1098D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[02:21:45] *** KapiX <KapiX!~kacper@89-65-138-76.dynamic.chello.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: KapiX)[02:22:35] *** drawkula <drawkula!~username@p4FC1098D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:26:06] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #950 of haiku-nightlies-x86_64 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86_64/builds/950[02:26:09] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: anevilyak * hrev50913 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=9a3409492a8d+%5E0d51483faea2[02:26:10] <HAIKU-irker458> 9a3409492a8d: Debugger: Fix #13261.[02:26:41] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@150.237.94.36> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:28:00] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:30:50] *** drawkula <drawkula!~username@p4FC125B9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[02:38:00] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #938 of haiku-nightlies-x86 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86/builds/938[02:47:30] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@71.11.67.179> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[02:48:12] <Duggan> greetings, earth creatures[02:54:36] <ohnx> greetings, citizen Duggan[02:55:50] <Duggan> hej ohnx[03:00:27] *** oco2 <oco2!~haiku@brs60-1-88-125-140-2.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[03:02:13] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #949 of haiku-nightlies-x86_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86_hybrid/builds/949[03:03:12] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[03:03:42] *** DCatt <DCatt!~vision@pool-71-113-14-51.rcmdva.east.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090423]: i've been blurred!)[03:06:06] *** leofseige_beos <leofseige_beos!~vision@174-25-143-249.ptld.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[03:30:26] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rgbxyjvercrpqmuf> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[03:38:34] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[03:38:48] <Duggan> hej Vidrep[03:38:54] <Vidrep> Has anyone tried out the new notification server yet?[03:39:03] <Vidrep> Hi Duggan[03:39:11] <Duggan> well folks, looks like I got the BOutlineListView replaced now... and everything seems to be in the proper order :D[03:39:46] <Vidrep> I'm almost inclined to say that it should be added to the nightly now, so the whole community can provide feedback[03:40:57] <Vidrep> It can't be any more disruptive than any of the other merges we've seen in the past. It is a unstable nightly after all...[03:41:30] <Vidrep> Duggan, that's your coding tool, right?[03:47:02] <Duggan> Vidrep yep[03:47:37] <Duggan> Vidrep haven't taken a look at the notification server, I'm on x86_64 (I'll probably let it get a little more mature on 32 bit first ;) )[03:48:20] *** bbjimm <bbjimm!~vision@71.11.67.179> has joined #haiku[03:48:34] *** bbjimm is now known as bbjimmy1[03:51:39] *** bbjimmy1 <bbjimmy1!~vision@71.11.67.179> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[03:57:39] <Duggan> ugh...[03:58:12] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[04:02:57] <Duggan> fShowHeading (ShowHeading() and SetShowHeading()) are unused in BColumnListView :/[04:11:49] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!dario@181.47.128.6> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[04:14:20] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[04:23:57] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:54:01] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-murhbotrevrwpuvn> has joined #haiku[04:55:48] *** ChomAr <ChomAr!uid208546@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jooiuaqnyeuglxgh> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[05:01:35] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[05:06:54] *** bbjimmy_ZZZ <bbjimmy_ZZZ!vision@184.21.100.16> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[05:14:17] *** ohnx <ohnx!~ohnx@unaffiliated/ohnx> has left #haiku[05:16:10] *** ohnx <ohnx!~ohnx@unaffiliated/ohnx> has joined #haiku[05:19:32] *** ignacio <ignacio!ignacio@fedora/sugar/ignacio> has quit IRC (Disconnected by services)[05:19:41] *** ignacio <ignacio!ignacio@sunjammer.sugarlabs.org> has joined #haiku[05:19:41] *** ignacio <ignacio!ignacio@sunjammer.sugarlabs.org> has quit IRC (Changing host)[05:19:41] *** ignacio <ignacio!ignacio@fedora/sugar/ignacio> has joined #haiku[05:19:45] *** ignacio <ignacio!ignacio@fedora/sugar/ignacio> has quit IRC (Disconnected by services)[05:20:12] *** ignacio <ignacio!ignacio@2001:4830:134:7::11> has joined #haiku[05:20:12] *** ignacio <ignacio!ignacio@2001:4830:134:7::11> has quit IRC (Changing host)[05:20:12] *** ignacio <ignacio!ignacio@fedora/sugar/ignacio> has joined #haiku[05:39:02] <Duggan> well, it's official... or will be if the email ever sends...[05:42:33] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has joined #haiku[05:44:39] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-194-178.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #haiku[05:45:12] <jessicah> what's official?[05:45:31] <bbjimmy> Yab no-longer runs on the latest nightlies, but yab and yab-ide can be built with haikuporter on recent nightlies and it then runs. can someone update yab in the HaikuPorts repository please.[05:45:53] <bbjimmy> and yab-ide[05:48:03] <Duggan> jessicah I send an email to the group throwing my name in the hat to be a GSOC mentor[05:48:19] <Duggan> if it's not too late anyway...[05:48:44] <Duggan> hej bbjimmy[05:49:35] <bbjimmy> ni idea, I'm not a Haiku developer.[05:50:04] <bbjimmy> *no[05:51:24] <Duggan> I'm not technically a developer either :P[05:56:00] <Duggan> jeez how long does it take for that daemon to run...[06:01:15] <Duggan> it's been 25 minutes :/[06:04:38] <Duggan> jessicah how long does it usually take for an email to go through on the mailing list?[06:05:10] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-194-178.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[06:11:48] <Duggan> screw it... apparently it wasn't meant to happen[06:28:23] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[06:39:21] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[07:01:55] <Duggan> erm.... I still haven't gotten it, but it's showing up in the archives...[07:03:04] <jessicah> I see your email[07:04:16] <jessicah> I don't think it sends the email back to original sender[07:07:37] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-194-178.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #haiku[07:08:26] <Duggan> oh :/[07:08:37] <Duggan> I figured that was a possibility[07:11:07] <Duggan> finishing up the project saving code, then I get to worry about UI crap for modifying the project :/[07:11:13] <Duggan> only then can I worry about compiling :'([07:11:45] <Duggan> jessicah seen the screenshot? I need to upload a new one...[07:11:50] <jessicah> yeah[07:12:08] <jessicah> it doesn't look like much atm :p[07:12:38] <Duggan> it's not... at the moment :P[07:13:04] <jessicah> :p[07:13:07] <Duggan> :P[07:13:36] <Duggan> ever looked at the Paladin source?[07:17:48] *** rednul <rednul!~rednul@219.163.48.199.static.reverse.as19531.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[07:20:25] <jessicah> nop[07:20:40] <jessicah> I've looked at the Vision sources... that was scary[07:21:52] *** rednul <rednul!~rednul@219.163.48.199.static.reverse.as19531.net> has joined #haiku[07:22:26] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/f22f53ebd071...fa4e81152a9f[07:22:27] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] pulkomandy fa4e811 - Add Duggan as possible mentor for 3D acceleration.[07:23:08] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: not interested in getting a student working on CodePal? We have a "project manager" idea which looks like it overlaps a bit[07:23:33] <mattlacey> why does 3d acceleration feel like the unobtainable holy grail? :)[07:24:00] <jessicah> I just want dual head support[07:24:22] <jessicah> personally, I don't want to see a composited desktop at all :p[07:25:14] <jessicah> Haiku already feels super fast[07:25:20] <jessicah> UI wise[07:25:20] <mattlacey> I need to take a crack at installing it on my main PC again soemtime[07:25:33] <mattlacey> yeah[07:25:37] <Duggan> PulkoMandy I'm open to the idea, but this is more a personal project until more people get on board anyway... all I have to do is make it better than Paladin and it will be the de-facto system for the whole OS (no offense darkwyrm, but it's a rather low bar) so I'd feel bad taking resources away from Haiku proper[07:25:37] <mattlacey> feels fast on older hardware[07:25:42] <mattlacey> would love to try it on my pokey machine[07:26:08] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85be9b.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[07:26:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[07:26:09] <Duggan> PulkoMandy except I'm really intending it to become a full-blown IDE... so it might be a little ambitious too lol[07:26:12] <mattlacey> Duggan: a simple but working IDE (maybe with integration to the debugger) would be pretty awesome[07:26:12] <Duggan> hej humdinger[07:26:20] <Duggan> mattlacey that's all planned :)[07:26:35] <humdinger> Duggan![07:26:47] <Duggan> the debugger, terminal, code completion, go to definition, etc, etc, etc[07:26:54] <humdinger> Duggan: saw you threw in the towel wrt GSoC...[07:26:59] <humdinger> :)[07:27:01] <Duggan> humdinger yep[07:27:09] <Duggan> I figured I'd give it a shot... might look good on a resume :P[07:27:18] <jessicah> threw in the towel sounds like hey gave up[07:27:21] <jessicah> he*[07:27:29] <humdinger> that was my attempted joke...[07:27:31] <jessicah> mattlacey: do you need a UEFI image?[07:27:32] <Duggan> I did :P[07:27:39] <jessicah> heh[07:27:43] <Duggan> I gave up thinking about whether I was going to do it or not :P[07:27:54] <jessicah> I should cook dinner[07:28:03] <mattlacey> jessicah: that would be neat![07:28:27] <humdinger> yeah. dinner for everyone. Meals-on-IPs[07:28:39] <Duggan> PulkoMandy you can put me down for the project management thing too if you want... I'll call it a possibility, but my larger priority (as always) is hw accel[07:28:41] <mattlacey> GTP is all sorted out now, right?[07:28:50] <jessicah> yup[07:28:53] <mattlacey> Duggan: sounds awesome[07:29:01] <mattlacey> last time GTP issues cost me data :)[07:29:09] <mattlacey> but that was my fault for not even realising GPT was a thing :P[07:29:23] <jessicah> https://www.jessicah.org/uefi-x86_64-haiku.tar.gz[07:29:31] * mattlacey saves the link[07:29:33] <Duggan> sorry... what's GTP again?[07:29:36] <jessicah> GPT[07:29:40] <Duggan> oh[07:29:41] <Duggan> lol[07:30:11] <jessicah> you're not very good at auto-correct, are you[07:30:20] <miqlas> jessicah, i hope you got T1 line[07:30:30] <jessicah> it's a paid webhost[07:30:37] <jessicah> it should be decent speed[07:30:48] <Duggan> I was thinking "GUID Tartition Pables.... is that a thing now? :P"[07:31:04] <mattlacey> that was my fault :)[07:31:13] <mattlacey> you can tell I'm an expert in it :P[07:31:15] <Duggan> (actually I thought it was General but after looking it up, apparently I was wrong... again...)[07:31:37] <Duggan> mattlacey hehe I'm joking :)[07:31:55] <Duggan> I'm kind of abrasive... ask anybody else :D[07:31:58] <Duggan> (and talkative)[07:32:12] <jessicah> I'm getting around 2MB/s here, so shouldn't take too long to download[07:32:16] <miqlas> Duggan: and haiku is poetry, right?[07:32:31] <Duggan> miqlas no.[07:33:11] <jessicah> mattlacey: it's a 1GB image you can dd to USB[07:33:24] <mattlacey> awesome[07:33:27] <mattlacey> I'll grab it when I get home[07:33:31] <jessicah> it's formatted GPT, with the UEFI loader on EFI/FAT partition[07:33:32] <mattlacey> or when I get home from babysitting even[07:33:32] <miqlas> jessicah: how big is this uefi build? The server doesn1t report the actual file size.[07:33:35] <mattlacey> sweet[07:33:37] <mattlacey> :)[07:33:46] <mattlacey> thanks jessicah :)[07:33:50] <jessicah> the file is ~400MB[07:33:53] <miqlas> i already got 100mb, but i need to go to work in the following minutes[07:33:59] <jessicah> wget knows the filesize fine, must be problem on your end[07:34:09] <jessicah> then you're a quarter of the way there :p[07:34:10] <Duggan> jessicah have you automated that yet or are you still building them manually?[07:34:18] <jessicah> Duggan: built it manually[07:34:23] <Duggan> ah ok[07:35:15] <jessicah> I'm not sure how would automate it just yet[07:35:26] <miqlas> jessicah: then if i dd it to an usb drive, my uefi should find it and boot it, right?[07:35:32] <Duggan> let me dig through some jamfiles real quick... :P[07:35:40] <jessicah> miqlas: yes[07:35:46] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-194-178.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[07:35:50] <jessicah> Duggan: good luck with that :p[07:36:38] <jessicah> on mac hardware, you may need to use refind to boot haiku[07:36:46] <jessicah> macs have really terrible firmware[07:38:00] <jessicah> Intel firmware is probably the best for UEFI[07:38:02] <mattlacey> I don't like poking around with my mac at all[07:38:11] <mattlacey> way too hard to actually work out what's going on with it[07:38:19] <mattlacey> black box to the max[07:38:47] <jessicah> yep[07:39:01] <FlyingJester> Better than Windows at least.[07:39:11] <FlyingJester> You can do things like replace the kernel in OS X.[07:39:35] <FlyingJester> And tons of the infrastructure in open source, unlike Windows.[07:39:39] <mattlacey> I woke up my mac from 'sleep' this morning and Xcode had somehow consumed 48GB of RAM/swap over the weekend[07:40:03] <FlyingJester> I don't really understand why people like XCode. The UI is really strange.[07:40:09] <mattlacey> I hate it[07:40:20] <FlyingJester> Then why use it? :P[07:40:38] <mattlacey> it's the only IDE/editor i've ever used where no matter what options I choose I always end up with multiple windows for the same file[07:40:48] <mattlacey> have to do iOS :([07:41:11] <FlyingJester> I'm pretty sure you can use all the XCode features, including the simulator, from the command line.[07:41:26] <FlyingJester> And you don't actually need XCode to build UIs, even for iOS.[07:41:29] <mattlacey> yeah but life's too short to work that out :)[07:41:43] <jessicah> ugh, iOS[07:41:51] <mattlacey> any new dev I do for iOS now will be react native though[07:41:55] <mattlacey> there's no good reason not to use it[07:42:03] <mattlacey> so much more productive than the native environment[07:42:05] <jessicah> I have an iPod touch, and it is the slowest piece of crap I've come across[07:42:27] <jessicah> even my nokia n95 was more responsive[07:42:41] <mattlacey> lol[07:42:45] <jessicah> back when phones were phones[07:42:46] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: humdinger * hrev50914 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=29616a494b2a+%5E9a3409492a8d[07:42:47] <HAIKU-irker458> 29616a494b2a: Updated yab and yab_ide packages.[07:42:49] <mattlacey> I've got a 10 year old iPod shuffle that I Just use for snowboarding[07:42:52] <mattlacey> that's lasted well[07:42:53] <FlyingJester> I find all iOS and Android devices to have a lot of input lag and generally unresponsive UIs.[07:42:53] <jessicah> I miss those days[07:43:01] <mattlacey> has the nice big play button that I can mash through my jacket while wearing mitts :)[07:43:05] <Duggan> jessicah have you looked at this for a little inspiration? http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/build/scripts/build_haiku_image[07:43:22] <FlyingJester> I actually use a real Blackberry just because the UI is much nicer that way than Android or iOS.[07:45:32] <Duggan> jessicah and then there's all of these: http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/build/jam/images[07:46:14] <jessicah> yes, I know[07:46:33] <Duggan> oh ok... just figured I'd try to help :P[07:46:39] <jessicah> :)[07:47:35] <jessicah> there's stuff like writembr, makebootable, etc. that I need to disable, figure out doing the partitioning, etc.[07:47:45] *** korli <korli!c299d9e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.153.217.230> has joined #haiku[07:48:01] <jessicah> maybe depend on something like gdisk for that[07:48:36] <jessicah> I had a port of that for Haiku; must find my patches[07:49:15] <Duggan> there should be a way to generate two images and combine them into one... probably would be as simple as concatenating them[07:49:30] <jessicah> two images?[07:49:44] <Duggan> yeah, one with the fat32 partition and the other, the standard haiku image[07:50:04] <jessicah> dd can concatenate files like that[07:50:06] <Duggan> just prepend the haiku image with the fat32 with the efi file and that should be sufficient, right?[07:50:13] <jessicah> but you still need the partition table[07:50:22] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:50:29] <jessicah> still need to make the fat image with the efi file[07:50:59] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[07:51:15] <Duggan> creating the fat32 image is one thing, mounting it and copying the efi file to it is another... and I would think that neither alone should be too difficult... if we can create BFS images and mount them, are the tools already in place to do that with a fat32 partition?[07:51:55] <Duggan> with a fat32 image*[07:52:45] <Duggan> aw hell, if nothing else, I'm pretty sure qemu can do it... I'm pretty sure their images are raw[07:53:06] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: humdinger * hrev50915 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=bf3848c96b77+%5E29616a494b2a[07:53:07] <HAIKU-irker458> bf3848c96b77: Added email ProviderInfos.[07:57:46] <korli> Duggan: mtools would be the right choice maybe[07:58:22] <jessicah> I think arm builds use mtools[07:59:03] <jessicah> looks like sgdisk provides a scriptable interface to gdisk[08:01:51] *** petterhj <petterhj!~Petter@cm-84.209.150.30.getinternet.no> has joined #haiku[08:02:47] <Duggan> interesting... only problem is neither of those is included by default... but they may be in the buildtools?... checking...[08:03:09] <Duggan> nope[08:03:19] <jessicah> you have to install them on your OS[08:03:37] <jessicah> gdisk I can port[08:03:46] <jessicah> I don't know about mtools on Haiku[08:03:56] <Duggan> jessicah: gptfdisk in the depot[08:04:00] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@46.146.115.211> has joined #haiku[08:04:01] <Duggan> jessicah and mtools :P[08:04:11] <Duggan> both in the depot[08:04:23] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@46.146.115.211> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[08:04:49] <Duggan> jessicah I was thinking about how you don't have to download any extra software to build the repo, and then I remembered how it downloads stuff for you :P[08:04:58] <Duggan> that's why I was wondering if it's in the buildtools[08:08:17] <jessicah> buildtools only contains jam & gcc/binutils[08:09:26] <Duggan> I saw, never really looked in it before[08:10:00] <Duggan> but you could just have the build system download whichever packages you need, right? or is that only done for stuff that's included directly in the image?[08:10:30] <jessicah> only stuff actually in the image[08:10:48] <Duggan> :/[08:11:11] <Duggan> so there's no system in place where if you need a tool to build the repo that it can be included, it all has to be preinstalled?[08:11:28] <jessicah> yes[08:11:41] <Duggan> well that sucks :/[08:12:08] <jessicah> that's why there's a prerequisite software page in the build guides :p[08:12:24] <Duggan> jessicah except it's all preinstalled in the image[08:12:27] <jessicah> https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/pre-reqs[08:12:36] <jessicah> for haiku, sure[08:14:08] <Duggan> so either the additional tools have to be included in the image as well or native users have to download stuff... I guess the easiest way is to just include it in the image, but I don't know what other considerations that might entail[08:18:37] <jessicah> no, I think user having to install them is best in this case[08:18:56] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85be9b.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[08:19:00] <korli> Duggan: well, only a few people need to build an image of Haiku for UEFI :)[08:19:22] <jessicah> you already need to build cross tools for building x86_64 on haiku, for example[08:20:55] <Duggan> I git 2 repos, I config, I build, everything's included except the repos[08:21:24] <Duggan> korli I don't have to build it for UEFI anymore, I just boot off of the one stick I've got :P[08:21:51] <Duggan> or course it would be nice to not have to do that either, but if I want to build it and give it to a friend or something, it would be much easier to just have one image to dd to a USB drive[08:22:04] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A29437.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[08:22:21] <jessicah> you can already download one from my server :p[08:22:51] <Duggan> I already have one from your server :P[08:22:56] <Duggan> probably an old one, but it works[08:23:09] <jessicah> you can update the Haiku install[08:23:24] <Duggan> I do :P[08:23:39] <jessicah> I mean in the image file itself[08:24:16] <jessicah> diskimage register[08:24:18] <Duggan> in the boot manager?[08:24:40] <jessicah> then it shows up in DriveSetup, Installer, mount partitions, etc.[08:25:10] <Duggan> I'm a little lost I think[08:25:31] <jessicah> if you want an updated haiku install on the image file you dd to usb[08:25:37] <jessicah> you can use diskimage register[08:25:48] <jessicah> and then run Installer to install Haiku to the disk image[08:26:08] <ADS_Sr> Hello all[08:26:13] <jessicah> that's how I built it in the first place :p[08:26:14] <ADS_Sr> I have a few quick questions[08:26:27] <jessicah> hi ADS_Sr[08:26:36] <ADS_Sr> Hello jessicah[08:27:13] <ADS_Sr> Question 1: Is anyone working on an LVM for Haiku?[08:28:10] <jessicah> logical volume manager?[08:28:22] <jessicah> not that I'm aware of[08:28:30] <Duggan> jessicah oh I'm not booting from the image on the USB drive[08:28:37] <ADS_Sr> Question 2: Is the 64-bit Haiku port at least on par with the 32-bit base?[08:28:43] <Duggan> jessicah I'm just booting from the EFI file on the USB drive, I boot from a partition on my HD :P[08:28:45] <ADS_Sr> yes, logival volume manager[08:29:10] <ADS_Sr> *logical*[08:29:16] <jessicah> ADS_Sr: yes, pretty much[08:29:32] <jessicah> pre-built packages in HaikuDepot tends to lag behind a little, but it's getting better[08:29:33] *** Diver_ <Diver_!6d4922f2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.109.73.34.242> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[08:30:10] <jessicah> ADS_Sr: also, BFS doesn't support resizing[08:30:26] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-murhbotrevrwpuvn> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[08:30:26] <jessicah> so LVM would be kinda pointless for BFS anyway :p[08:30:37] <ADS_Sr> Hmmm...I guess I'll have to settle for 2 questions. I don't think the other questions could be answered here...[08:30:49] <ADS_Sr> I'm not worried about resizing...[08:31:32] <ADS_Sr> I'm looking for a softraid solution.[08:32:29] <ADS_Sr> I know that the Haiku beta is supposed to be coming Real Soon Now (TM), so I'm trying to get ready for R1 - and everything that comes with that.[08:32:50] <Duggan> lol[08:33:31] <ADS_Sr> BTW, is BFS not supporting resizing an issue of it just not being implemented, or is it something that's not really doable because of design decisions?[08:34:42] <jessicah> could be, you never know if you never ask[08:35:10] <jessicah> possibly just not implemented[08:36:01] <jessicah> yeah, there's no software raid as far as I'm aware[08:38:01] <ADS_Sr> yeh, that's the point of an lvm (for me), it makes software raid a bit easier...[08:38:44] <ADS_Sr> I know that Haiku is supposed to be a desktop OS, but I think I see a use case for using it as a workstation OS...with a few bits added to it[08:38:47] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@118.149.205.172> has joined #haiku[08:40:22] <ADS_Sr> I really just wanted to make sure whether or not these things are currently being worked on[08:40:29] <ADS_Sr> Thanks a lot![08:41:02] <Duggan> ADS_Sr I see it being good for a server as well (though others would argue that point) and one day I may work on converting it to such... one day...[08:43:34] <ADS_Sr> Duggan since BeOS was great for media, I see Haiku as potentially being a great system for content creation. High quality graphics & tons of reduncant hard drive space would be greatly used for that purpose. I'd imagine that having an lvm would be a nice feature for Haiku as a server OS, also...[08:43:41] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@apn-37-248-165-101.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[08:45:31] *** petterhj <petterhj!~Petter@cm-84.209.150.30.getinternet.no> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[08:47:01] <Duggan> ADS_Sr if the BFS was designed for handling large files quickly, if you pared down the OS to bare bones it could make a great server[08:47:04] *** ChomAr <ChomAr!uid208546@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lnecdnlyssznozdj> has joined #haiku[08:47:23] <Duggan> especially like a database server[08:48:07] <jessicah> Duggan: it was designed for handling large files quickly[08:48:20] *** knarfy <knarfy!~knarf@143.252.82.79.rev.sfr.net> has joined #haiku[08:49:27] <Duggan> jessicah that's what I'm saying :P[08:50:00] <Duggan> if it was designed that way (which it was) then it could make a great server, especially for databases[08:50:33] <ADS_Sr> Duggan yeh, that's correct. But I'd much rather span BFS across multiple disks. I'd be mad as hell, if I'd been working on a huge project & my disk failed. Having raid 5 would greatly aleviate such a situation...[08:50:48] <korli> well atm an app cannot bypass the file cache, no O_DIRECT AFAIK[08:52:25] <ADS_Sr> korli is the file cache between the vfs & the storage device driver, or is it between the vfs & the syscall interface?[08:55:02] <Duggan> ADS_Sr I lost a week's worth of really good work not long ago, so yeah...[08:55:34] <ADS_Sr> yeh, that always sucks...[08:55:56] <Duggan> yeah...[09:08:24] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[09:09:31] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has joined #haiku[09:17:00] *** johndrinkwater <johndrinkwater!~beta@steamdb/johndrinkwater.name> has joined #haiku[09:18:05] *** [Beta] <[Beta]!~beta@steamdb/johndrinkwater.name> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[09:19:18] <jessicah> as I understand the BeOS design, if your buffer size was large, it would automatically bypass cache and read/write directly[09:19:52] <jessicah> I think this is something Haiku currently fails to do[09:21:40] <jessicah> the direct flag works with dd[09:21:42] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[09:22:22] <jessicah> I've used it to workaround serious problems with our caching[09:24:32] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85be9b.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[09:24:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[09:25:04] <humdinger> hey korli![09:25:22] <humdinger> korli: Have I upstreamed your 64bit patch for Becasso prematurely?[09:28:12] <korli> humdinger: can't hurt, why the question?[09:28:33] <humdinger> because it won't built on gcc2 anymore..[09:28:50] <humdinger> says: http://sprunge.us/gDOg[09:29:12] <humdinger> because https://github.com/HaikuArchives/Becasso/blob/master/source/AddOnSupport.h#L12 and https://github.com/HaikuArchives/Becasso/blob/master/source/mmx.h#L2[09:30:02] <korli> humdinger: yeah a x86_gcc2 build would have been nice[09:30:45] <humdinger> I built before the patch. :)[09:31:25] <korli> can you privmsg the sprunge?[09:32:21] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[09:32:22] <humdinger> it doesn't build on 32bit gcc5 either.[09:33:53] <korli> ok :) can you try with "typedef uint32_t bgra_pixel;" in AddOnSupport.h?[09:34:55] <humdinger> no go. see pm.[09:35:13] <korli> it's always a headache when a type is defined in several places[09:36:04] <korli> yeah but now, no type conflict[09:36:15] <FlyingJester> #ifndef bgra_pixel[09:36:21] <FlyingJester> #define bgra_pixel uint32_t[09:36:24] <FlyingJester> #endif[09:36:29] <FlyingJester> :P[09:37:23] <GeneralDuke> Hello, I have a question. Haiku is going to be compatible with old BeOS software, but if I remembre good, after one of updates systems paths changed. Will old BeOS work with old apps, or not?[09:37:36] <GeneralDuke> I mean Haiku with old BeOS apps :D[09:38:18] <korli> FlyingJester: doesn't work with a typedef[09:38:43] <FlyingJester> No I know, you'd have to change it in both places. I'm not saying it's a good idea either :P[09:38:55] <FlyingJester> I'm just really good at coming up with lazy ways to only kind of fix problems.[09:39:31] <humdinger> GeneralDuke: BeOS also used constants for paths. If those old apps didn't hard-code them anyway, they continue to work.[09:40:43] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[09:40:48] <humdinger> GeneralDuke: some open source apps have been fixed in that regard. I'm not aware of a closed source app that doesn't work because of those paths[09:41:05] <korli> humdinger: ok please try to revert the change in AddOnSupport.h, try with "typedef uint32 bgra_pixel;" in source/mmx.h, and add "#include <support/SupportDefs.h>" before[09:42:07] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[09:43:31] <humdinger> korli: that seems to work. see PM.[09:45:55] <DKnoto> Hi, how to get Alt, Shift and Ctrl modifiers in ncurses with getch in Haiku Terminal?[09:46:41] <DKnoto> For example Alt + D genrate space, ' '[09:46:41] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mkecndbtgwebdttd> has joined #haiku[09:47:33] <DKnoto> But Alt + a -> M-D, code 196[09:50:47] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85be9b.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[09:55:13] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85be9b.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[09:55:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[09:56:06] <humdinger> korli: now Becasso won't build on 64bit anymore... :([09:56:23] <humdinger> korli: can I paste somewhere you're able to access it?[09:56:39] <korli> privmsg?[09:56:58] <humdinger> it's a very long output...[09:57:13] <korli> an excerpt is ok[09:57:53] <humdinger> I'm not sure what's relevant. but we can try...[10:07:44] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p2003005B4413EA00022314FFFEAF6410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[10:09:20] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85be9b.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[10:13:14] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85be9b.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[10:13:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[10:21:30] *** pixdamix <pixdamix!~pix@unaffiliated/pixdamix> has joined #haiku[10:23:45] <Duggan> wb humdinger[10:24:01] * humdinger bows[10:34:03] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@150.237.94.36> has joined #haiku[10:44:48] <stargate1> moin[10:55:52] <Duggan> greetings stargate1[10:56:23] <Duggan> anybody know why when I try to take a screenshot of a window that isn't the main window in my program that it takes a screenshot of the whole screen instead? and how can I fix it?...[10:56:48] <Duggan> or: does anybody know where I can get a program to crop images with that runs on x86_64? :P[10:58:38] <humdinger> Duggan: Becasso coming soon to 64bit...[10:59:30] <Duggan> thanks humdinger... it really sucks having no way at all to even crop images much less any sort of real manipulation[10:59:57] <humdinger> mostly korli's work.[11:00:48] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-1/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/06b15fb79f5e...54987c1d0eb0[11:00:50] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb 54987c1 - Update Becasso and ArtPaint recipes[11:04:15] <Duggan> https://github.com/DeweyTaylor/CodePal/blob/master/CodePal002.png[11:05:37] <Duggan> I'm kinda starting to get decent at this whole layout kit thing[11:07:43] <humdinger> feeling blue, eh?[11:08:14] <Duggan> hehe yeah, just felt like looking at something other than yellow and the last thing I need is red making my blood pressure go up more than it already is and I never liked green except money[11:10:17] <humdinger> booting into 64bit again...[11:10:18] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85be9b.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[11:18:50] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)[11:19:45] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p2003005B4413EA00022314FFFEAF6410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[11:19:58] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p2003005B4413EA00022314FFFEAF6410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[11:37:24] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[11:46:22] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[11:50:26] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mkecndbtgwebdttd> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[11:52:48] *** jessicah <jessicah!uid33885@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dysuvgbcgysbxhch> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[12:00:18] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-163-172-86.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:00:35] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-80-254-74.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[12:00:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[12:10:50] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[12:14:01] <korli> mmu_man: thanks for merging :)[12:16:16] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4e35a60c.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[12:16:40] <korli> btw is your fork of HaikuThemeManager meant to be upstreamed? or you keep working on it?[12:17:15] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a60c.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[12:17:25] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[12:49:35] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A29437.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: euver)[12:52:39] <mmu_man> korli: yeah, well or just replace[12:53:04] <mmu_man> for GCI one student found some bugs I already fixed there...[12:53:09] <mmu_man> but well[12:53:45] *** ryoshu <ryoshu!~kamil@netbsd/developer/kamil> has left #haiku[12:57:28] <korli> yeah some GCI tasks were too vague[13:12:40] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/54987c1d0eb0...a48398bff971[13:12:41] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson a48398b - aspell_en: bump to 2017.01.22~0, switch SOURCE_URI to https.[13:17:09] *** AD_MOS <AD_MOS!~JohnN@5ec30d96.skybroadband.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[13:18:01] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[13:31:57] *** AD_MOS <AD_MOS!~JohnN@5ec30d96.skybroadband.com> has joined #haiku[13:49:46] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@118.149.205.172> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[14:00:09] <Duggan> oh man this is getting good :D[14:18:22] <mmu_man> what is?[14:20:44] *** stormpack <stormpack!~stormpack@193.136.33.102> has joined #haiku[14:23:54] *** stormpack <stormpack!~stormpack@193.136.33.102> has left #haiku ("Leaving")[14:30:50] <Duggan> mmu_man CodePal[14:31:00] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@83.149.45.10> has joined #haiku[14:31:47] <Duggan> grrrrrrr what's the best way to get the selected BMenuItem from a BMenuField?...[14:31:57] <HaikuUser2> привет всем[14:32:29] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85be9b.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[14:32:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[14:33:35] <mmu_man> didn't try[14:33:36] <mmu_man> bbl[14:34:16] <HaikuUser2> нужна ваша помощь[14:34:42] <HaikuUser2> как сделать в гайке английскую раскладку клавиатуры[14:35:59] <HaikuUser2> помогите пожалуста[14:36:56] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@83.149.45.10> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090423]: i've been blurred!)[14:38:35] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[14:38:39] <Duggan> wb humdinger that's the longest time I've ever seen it take Haiku to boot[14:38:50] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kcvyzdmmehmnxtyr> has joined #haiku[14:39:07] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: humdinger * hrev50916 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=ba903f82d19c+%5Ebf3848c96b77[14:39:08] <humdinger> Haiku must've went out for lunch...[14:39:08] <HAIKU-irker458> ba903f82d19c: Add packages fo ArtPaint and Becasso[14:39:16] <humdinger> but here's your Becasso.[14:39:25] <humdinger> you familiar with it?[14:39:39] <humdinger> Becasso is a bit special wrt its usage[14:40:27] <Duggan> humdinger ah nice... no I'm not[14:40:42] <Duggan> it can't be more special than icon-o-matic or wonderbrush[14:40:53] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[14:40:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[14:41:04] <humdinger> you'll be surprised...[14:41:18] <Duggan> most importantly, can I crop and resize images? :P[14:41:24] <humdinger> but there's documentation and tutorials cming with it.[14:41:38] <humdinger> Not as perfectly as WonderBrush does it...[14:44:08] <humdinger> Themost unusual thing that could be quite powerful, but is definitely very weird: you have a Draw mode and a Select mode.[14:44:21] <humdinger> and ou can use all the drawing tolls in the Select mode.[14:44:34] <humdinger> so you can select pixels with the spray can etc.[14:45:17] <humdinger> Cropping should be relatively easy though.[14:45:42] <humdinger> If you need help, give me a shout, Duggan.[14:45:48] *** ChomAr <ChomAr!uid208546@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lnecdnlyssznozdj> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[14:47:45] *** scanty <scanty!eli@capacitance.org> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[14:48:10] *** scanty <scanty!eli@capacitance.org> has joined #haiku[14:53:36] <Duggan> that sounds cool... is it ready for download now?[14:53:49] <Duggan> apparently not[14:54:00] <Duggan> or I guess I need to restart HaikuDepot...[14:54:24] <Duggan> nope[14:54:50] <Duggan> humdinger when will they show up in the depot?[14:55:07] <Duggan> oh man this is gonna be so good :D[14:55:12] <humdinger> I'm not sure how it exactly works... shouldn't it be available when the next nighlty is built?[14:55:26] <Duggan> beats me... I didn't know they were related[14:55:44] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@vir91-7-88-163-35-222.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[14:56:07] <Duggan> hej mmu_man[14:56:32] <Duggan> web+ hates us[14:56:45] <humdinger> wget it[14:56:54] <humdinger> or http://packages.haiku-os.org/haikuports/master/repo/x86_gcc2/current/packages/ and search for "becasso"[14:58:07] <Duggan> I got it[14:58:10] <Duggan> (wget)[14:58:31] <Duggan> tip of the day is blank[14:58:47] <humdinger> I know.[14:59:04] <humdinger> It does have issues...[14:59:15] <korli> humdinger: I have to add becasso to the 2017Q1 branch now... thanks :)[14:59:28] <korli> bye[14:59:34] <humdinger> Can't paste a screenshot from the clipboard, e.g.[14:59:34] *** korli <korli!c299d9e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.153.217.230> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[14:59:54] <Duggan> lol[15:00:03] <Duggan> ah[15:00:09] <humdinger> Trying to understand ancient code isn't me strong suit...[15:00:18] <Duggan> I thought you didn't understand any code? :P[15:00:19] <Duggan> lol[15:00:20] <humdinger> I'm having trouble with my own code[15:00:32] <Duggan> I'm working on that ;)[15:00:33] <humdinger> that's mostly true too[15:01:16] <Duggan> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/DeweyTaylor/CodePal/master/CodePal002.png[15:01:50] <Duggan> it's an older screenshot (a few hours) so it's changed a bit, but it's coming along nicely :D[15:02:43] <humdinger> Cool![15:02:56] <Duggan> it's loading the data and populating the controls, I just finished modifying a fair amount of the data, but there's some bugs to work out... after that it's implementing additions/removals/modifications of files/profiles[15:03:09] <humdinger> You should use grid layouts for the popup menus nd text controls.[15:03:18] <humdinger> to nicely align them[15:03:19] <Duggan> then I have to send it back to the main window to be put back in the project controller[15:03:39] <Duggan> humdinger I should probably do something different because the menus resize everytime you change their contents[15:03:58] <Duggan> oh and this is just the start ;)[15:04:28] <Duggan> and it will (already does) support multiple targets so you can build more than one executable at a go and keep track of more than one in a project at a time[15:04:43] <Duggan> for those projects you have that actually require more than one executable to be built[15:04:56] <Duggan> plus I plan on it being able to cross compile (obviously)[15:05:14] <Duggan> but that's all just for phase 1 ;)[15:05:18] <humdinger> New name: Duggan's Code Devil[15:05:22] <humdinger> A Hell of an IDE[15:05:28] <Duggan> rofl I like it[15:05:34] <Duggan> but CodePal is a programmer's best friend![15:05:57] <humdinger> you old romantic.[15:06:01] <Duggan> (Code*Pal* -> hat tip to Paladin (and by extention Code Warrior))[15:06:26] <humdinger> oh. I never made the connection.[15:06:26] <Duggan> I was going to call it Paladin+ (which would probably still be a good name)[15:06:35] <Duggan> right :/[15:07:06] <humdinger> Codapalooza[15:07:38] <Duggan> eh.. hehe... no.[15:08:00] <Duggan> did I mention it will have code completion and all that too? :P[15:08:21] <Duggan> refactoring, find references, go to definition, all that[15:08:36] <Duggan> oh, and UML diagram generation[15:08:54] <Duggan> integrated debugger and terminal[15:09:05] <humdinger> doesn't that need your parser finished first?[15:09:09] * humdinger looks innocently[15:09:10] <Duggan> clang ;)[15:09:18] <humdinger> oh dang[15:09:51] <Duggan> fret not, I'll still write the parser.... just not now... this tool is too useful to be put off any more[15:10:01] <Duggan> we NEED good dev tools to help bring more devs[15:10:21] <Duggan> especially with GSOC and R1B1 coming up[15:10:29] <humdinger> I agree. will it be ready for Beta?[15:10:38] <humdinger> say... march[15:10:56] <Duggan> depends, nobody's said anything about when beta will actually be released... did they branch the repo yet?[15:11:13] <humdinger> no ETA for that end of Feb, I think[15:11:16] <Duggan> it should more or less be on par with Paladin's functionality in a few days :P (depending)[15:12:33] <Duggan> once this window is "done" in another day or two (or a few hours if I don't go to sleep) then I have to be able to add/remove/modify targets/groups/files in the main window and then make it build... could be done in a week maybe[15:13:22] <Duggan> that doesn't include the debugger or terminal or any of the fancy crap, that's just bare bones project management... like I said, on par with Paladin[15:14:07] <humdinger> You do get things done rather quick, don't you?[15:14:19] <Duggan> I try[15:14:21] <humdinger> amazing. I need months for the smallest thing...[15:14:26] <Duggan> I mean I've been working on this for what, 2? 3 days?[15:14:58] <Duggan> it doesn't do anything yet, so I wouldn't say I've done much of anything "quick" lol[15:15:35] <humdinger> ah. it's just GUI up to now?[15:15:47] <humdinger> I go back on statement then. :)[15:19:05] <humdinger> WRT to gridlayout, see e.g. the CodyCam GUI. All nicely aligned.[15:19:40] <humdinger> code: http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/apps/codycam/CodyCam.cpp#n720[15:20:55] <Duggan> no, it's not just grid layout, it loads project data[15:21:07] <Duggan> in that screenshot, the main window on the left is populated from a file[15:21:34] <humdinger> I meant the window to the right.[15:21:38] <Duggan> the window on the right is now fully populated and mostly editable, I just have some bugs to work out and then send the changes back to the main screen for storage[15:22:02] <Duggan> sending it back is trivial, editing has been surprisingly trivial, just a bit time consuming to figure out how to do it :P[15:22:51] <humdinger> do you store in a project file, or to you parse makefiles?[15:22:56] <humdinger> using makefiles would be cool[15:25:03] <Duggan> here: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/DeweyTaylor/CodePal/master/CodePal003.png[15:25:03] * humdinger is idle: teatime[15:25:13] <Duggan> humdinger no, look at the screenshot[15:25:16] <Duggan> I'm not done with you yet[15:25:21] <humdinger> still here.[15:25:24] <Duggan> lol[15:25:27] <humdinger> now you're feeling black...[15:25:41] <Duggan> project file, inspired by the paladin project file (so it's human readable)[15:26:04] <Duggan> all the data in that window comes from the project file[15:26:16] <humdinger> Makefile export?[15:26:20] <Duggan> not yet[15:26:26] <Duggan> one day[15:26:30] <Duggan> low on my todo list[15:26:33] <humdinger> we have to prepare for CodePal to be abandonned in 10 years...[15:26:43] <Duggan> that won't happen ;)[15:27:04] <humdinger> who can say.[15:27:18] <humdinger> You could go back home with your alien friends...[15:27:27] <Duggan> crap, I also need to make it so the tree in the project window respects the expanded/collapsed settings in the project file[15:27:44] <Duggan> I could I guess... but you're assuming we wouldn't be using it back home in 10 years either[15:28:22] <humdinger> Advanced Alien Technology.[15:28:27] <humdinger> no teas for reals[15:28:31] <humdinger> *now[15:28:33] <humdinger> damn[15:28:35] <humdinger> later![15:28:37] <Duggan> hehe alright[15:28:37] <Duggan> later[15:30:05] <HaikuUser2> great having new IDE, on OSX i'm working on a gui builder for generate multiple targets (switch,objc,win32,haiku)[15:31:36] <Duggan> I was writing a GUI builder for Haiku once... but thanks to a lack of proper z-ordering ("if you need z-ordering you're doing it wrong") I had to exploit a UI bug, but ultimately dropped the project[15:31:56] <Duggan> it's not needed as much now that the layout system is in place, but it could still be useful if done properly[15:33:15] <Duggan> hopefully if I can get this far enough along, it will provide a lot utility that is much needed for development on Haiku[15:37:29] <HaikuUser2> simple screenshoot: http://i67.tinypic.com/2d1lic3.jpg[15:38:30] *** ChomAr <ChomAr!uid208546@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vtfzewvqijdkqanf> has joined #haiku[15:42:52] <HaikuUser2> for the z-ordering the soluce is doesn't use real control but canvas BView and you yourself the control, very easy on haiku with source code available :)[15:44:41] <Duggan> I started doing that but if you control z ordering better in the BView then the results you get will be different than what you expect when you actually implement the idea... if you have partially overlapping controls there are problems[15:45:17] <Duggan> I forced myself to work around that by using real controls, not just mockups... it was... complicated...[15:47:25] <Duggan> just to get the controls into the program I built dynamically linked libraries to generate them and handle them which provided a standardized interface and also allowed for future expansion with custom controls... the z ordering bug was a different issue entirely[15:48:17] <Duggan> one control may draw behind another control but still intercept messages (like clicks)... that made it nearly impossible to implement handles to move the controls around[15:49:21] <Duggan> so I made a BView that I added first and drew everything on top of it including the handles, but I had it intercept the messages so I could move things around... it was a bit more complicated than that, but that's more or less how I did it[15:51:05] *** APT69 <APT69!~APT69@FL1-118-109-46-148.chb.mesh.ad.jp> has joined #haiku[15:51:56] <Duggan> and of course the dynamic libraries had functions to retrieve templates for the events that were available for that control... you call a function to get the events and properties that were available, when you want to do something with one of them, call a function in the library again to do something.... it was really complicated just to implement support for one control but it was super easy to use after you had[15:55:06] <Duggan> click a button and the code was generated for your entire form with stubs in MessageReceived() for the BMessages to handle events[16:00:24] <HaikuUser2> thanks for their nice 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onto /dev/rdiskX ?[17:57:34] <miqlas> Duggan: is it the BeBox logic board on your desktopas background?[17:58:50] <miqlas> jessicah: it seems i should, because i got an efi partition :)[17:59:59] <miqlas> let's test it... crossing fingers and things like that[18:01:09] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[18:01:25] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC ()[18:02:01] <miqlas-H64> yeey, i got the efi bootloader[18:02:15] <miqlas-H64> booting...[18:02:31] <miqlas-H64> yeee...icons[18:02:39] <miqlas-H64> KDL[18:02:47] <miqlas-H64> :([18:02:51] <miqlas-H64> USB3, for sure[18:03:42] <miqlas-H64> testing with usb2[18:03:46] <miqlas-H64> icons...[18:03:56] <miqlas-H64> desktop![18:05:08] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[18:05:12] *** HaikuUser2 is now known as miqlas-UEFI[18:05:23] <miqlas-UEFI> YEEE[18:07:45] <miqlas-H64> Keyboard, Trackpad, Battery-monitor, USB2, LAN works[18:07:55] <miqlas-H64> WLAN doesn't[18:08:22] *** APT69_ <APT69_!~APT69@euro217.vpnbook.com> has joined #haiku[18:10:52] *** Barrett_ <Barrett_!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[18:10:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett_[18:11:47] *** APT69 <APT69!~APT69@FL1-118-109-46-148.chb.mesh.ad.jp> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[18:11:50] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[18:16:37] *** prOSy_n8Ly <prOSy_n8Ly!~prOSy@p5B0861CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[18:16:50] <prOSy_n8Ly> heya[18:16:51] <miqlas-UEFI> Here is my first UEFI screenshot: http://imgur.com/hemwpE2[18:19:42] <Duggan> miqlas-UEFI yes it is :P[18:20:45] <miqlas-H64> Duggan: i got good eyes.[18:21:27] <miqlas-H64> Audio and wlan doesn't works on my main machine. But it boots nicely with the UEFI loader. Everything is fine.[18:28:47] *** miqlas-UEFI <miqlas-UEFI!~vision@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[18:29:26] <miqlas-H64> ok, it works really well. nice job tqh, jessicah, and everybody, involved in the uefi port.[18:47:42] *** scottmc <scottmc!~scottmc@c-67-174-194-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:52:48] *** jessicah <jessicah!uid33885@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lzahkbktwzagbxzx> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[18:53:49] *** Vanisha <Vanisha!0e8b9ca7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.156.167> has joined #haiku[18:54:48] <Vanisha> Hey Hey ! Thank you so much ! I couln't wait till the results were out , as we were asked not to disclose it to anyone.[18:55:52] <Vanisha> Thanks to each and every mentor out here helping me out with my GCI journey , I am currently hell busy with school ,will get back as soon as they are over :)[19:02:34] <miqlas-H64> Nice job, Vanisha![19:02:56] <Duggan> you're welcome any time :)[19:03:13] <Duggan> feel free to stop by any time you like![19:04:24] <Vanisha> miqlas-H64: Thank you ![19:04:40] <Vanisha> Duggan: You will see me back soon :)[19:05:47] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@82-132-215-167.dab.02.net> has joined #haiku[19:07:12] *** stakewinner00 <stakewinner00!~stakewinn@24.254.23.95.dynamic.jazztel.es> has joined #haiku[19:07:22] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[19:07:23] <Duggan> and congratulations :D[19:08:24] <Vanisha> Duggan: Thank you :0[19:08:30] <Vanisha> :) *[19:09:16] <Duggan> no, thank you for all of your hard work :)[19:15:39] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[19:17:21] *** jessicah <jessicah!uid33885@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-twlbsrinxknrqzus> has joined #haiku[19:17:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jessicah[19:19:16] *** KapiX <KapiX!~kacper@89-65-138-76.dynamic.chello.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: KapiX)[19:19:27] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p2003005B4413EA00022314FFFEAF6410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1)[19:19:27] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@apn-31-0-71-187.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[19:22:49] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[19:24:54] *** APT69_ <APT69_!~APT69@euro217.vpnbook.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:30:21] <Duggan> wb jessicah[19:31:34] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[19:41:54] <Vanisha> Duggan: Pleasure is all ours ;)[19:55:59] <Premislaus> Hey! I'm searching old app written by DarkWyrm, some Terminal emulator.[19:56:10] <Premislaus> *searching for[20:02:15] *** Hugen_ <Hugen_!~chatzilla@cpc90748-finc18-2-0-cust471.4-2.cable.virginm.net> has joined #haiku[20:03:02] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-194-178.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #haiku[20:09:34] *** _taos_ <_taos_!~taos@HSI-KBW-078-043-065-164.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has joined #haiku[20:10:32] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-80-254-74.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:10:43] *** miqlas-UEFI <miqlas-UEFI!~soakbot@ec2-54-80-254-74.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[20:14:03] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has joined #haiku[20:17:09] <_taos_> Huuuuhh, booting with haiku_loader.efi worked...[20:17:27] <_taos_> ...unfortunately, there's no mouse...[20:17:40] <_taos_> ...or any other usb activity.[20:17:41] * humdinger warns the cat[20:17:46] <Premislaus> _taos_: Check with USB 2.0[20:18:00] <_taos_> Is this a known issue with EFI?[20:18:04] <Premislaus> _taos_: XHCI is not supported.[20:18:14] <Premislaus> _taos_: With Haiku.[20:18:38] <_taos_> Premislaus, this computer has USB 2.0 ports.[20:19:26] <Premislaus> _taos_: Should works, but why not? I don't know. Try listdev and listusb in Terminal.[20:19:29] *** Vanisha <Vanisha!0e8b9ca7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.156.167> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[20:19:34] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[20:19:45] <_taos_> listusb just sees my camera but neither touchpad or mouse[20:19:52] * PulkoMandy prepares haikuwebkit 1.5.4 release[20:20:34] <Premislaus> _taos_: https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/pl/keyboard-shortcuts.html[20:20:55] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy: :-)[20:21:05] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 5 commits to release [+5/-3/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/f9794291a31c...447d9283b65b[20:21:06] <Premislaus> _taos_: What chipset your have?[20:21:07] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy f9cdf4e - htmldoc: update to fix libpng dependency.[20:21:08] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy b0df50c - update dfu_util[20:21:10] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 1c068fb - lyx: missing patchsets[20:21:11] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] ... and 2 more commits.[20:21:42] <humdinger> xhci is supported, I think. just not very well.[20:21:51] <humdinger> I have to blacklist it, for example.[20:22:06] <humdinger> does it show up with listimage | grep hci ?[20:22:08] <_taos_> great, on my computer, the only usb port that actually works, is the usb 3 port[20:22:10] <Duggan> I've been to Taos... pretty nice place[20:22:23] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has joined #haiku[20:22:26] <_taos_> _taos_[20:22:30] <PulkoMandy> somewhat works on one of my machine (keyboard input ok, but leds light up a bit randomly), USB3 gives no sign of life on my other machine[20:22:34] <Duggan> no Taos, it's a city[20:22:36] *** HaikuUser2 is now known as Dane__[20:22:38] <Dane__> boink[20:22:53] <humdinger> The Great Dane![20:22:54] <Duggan> hej Dane[20:22:59] <humdinger> woof woof[20:23:05] <Dane__> humdinger!! Arf[20:23:05] <_taos_> _taos_ has nothing to do with the city, more llike one step from chaos[20:23:24] <Duggan> I've been there too... the city is nicer[20:23:32] <Dane__> Is there a way to script the installation of an hpkg, and have it automatically do the (y) and finish the job?[20:23:35] <Premislaus> _taos_: You mean Tao?[20:23:51] <Duggan> Premislaus Taos, it's a city in New Mexico[20:24:04] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 2 commits to master [+1/-6/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/a48398bff971...6deba1605598[20:24:06] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 4fb5b8a - Recipe for HaikuWebkit 1.5.4.[20:24:07] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 6deba16 - Remove old haikuwebkit recipes.[20:24:49] <Premislaus> Duggan: I know, but I'm asking _taos_ about Tao - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao[20:25:02] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy: What you changed in 1.5.4?[20:25:06] <Dane__> Pulkomandy If I did "pkgman update -H *.hpkg" in a script, is there a way to also script the required "y" confirmation?[20:25:17] <PulkoMandy> Premislaus: fixed http redirects[20:25:37] <humdinger> PulkoMandy AY \o/[20:25:52] <PulkoMandy> Dane__: not a clean one it seems, but maybe try: echo y | pkgman update -H *.hpkg[20:25:56] <Duggan> Dane__ tried "pkgman update -H *.hpkg < y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y ... y y y y y ?[20:26:10] <Dane__> OK I'll try that...thanks[20:26:15] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: there is a command called "yes" for that (brute-forcing) purpose[20:26:22] <Duggan> oh ok :D[20:26:37] <Duggan> I almost feel better about that... I was really joking but hey, if it works... :D[20:26:55] <PulkoMandy> I can imagine the state of mind that guy who first implemented "yes" was in :)[20:26:55] <humdinger> Dane__: pkgman -y update -H *.hpkg[20:27:03] <Duggan> lol PulkoMandy[20:27:07] <_taos_> Premislaus, more of an inside joke, during ancient greek lessons[20:27:07] <humdinger> I wonder why the switch isn't in the --help...[20:27:09] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: ah, we have that? it's missing from the help text it seems[20:27:44] <Duggan> whoever ported it was probably the same guy that wrote "yes"[20:27:47] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[20:28:01] <Duggan> "yes 2.0"[20:28:19] <Duggan> oh wait, pkgman isn't a port is it...[20:28:45] <PulkoMandy> no, but we do have an implementation of "yes" in the coreutils[20:28:54] <Dane__> Neither of the above seems to work. The first returns a zillion yes/no yes nos. The second says "y: no such file or directory."[20:28:57] <Duggan> oooh I have one to stump you, PulkoMandy[20:29:30] <humdinger> Dane__: sorry, it's pkgman update -y[20:29:32] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[20:29:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[20:29:45] <Duggan> how do you get the string value of a BField in a BRow composed of BStringFields?[20:29:50] *** Barrett_ <Barrett_!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[20:29:59] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: ah. And that's properly documented in pkgman update --help[20:30:02] *** KapiX <KapiX!~kacper@89-65-138-76.dynamic.chello.pl> has joined #haiku[20:30:05] <Dane__> humdinger That did it I think![20:30:13] <Duggan> hej KapiX[20:30:19] <KapiX> hi Duggan[20:30:56] <Premislaus> Duggan: City? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taos,_New_Mexico My village has over 5000 inhabitants, and its village, not city.[20:31:19] <Dane__> What's the command for deleting a folder?[20:31:29] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev50917 [3 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=7e7aaa3989bc+%5Eba903f82d19c[20:31:30] <Duggan> rm[20:31:30] <Premislaus> Dane__: rm?[20:31:30] <Dane__> rd? kd? rmdir? Can't remember anymore! :-D[20:31:30] <HAIKU-irker458> ab880b1753f6: Cookie Jar: fix lock order inversion[20:31:31] <humdinger> rm -rf[20:31:31] <HAIKU-irker458> f9e1854f198d: libbnetapi: fix access to HTTP headers[20:31:32] <HAIKU-irker458> 7e7aaa3989bc: Update to Haikuwebkit 1.5.4.[20:31:40] <Duggan> Dane__ it's rm :)[20:31:44] <Duggan> just has to be empty first[20:32:00] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: dynamic_cast<BStringField*>(clv->RowAt(index)->GetField(j))->String() ?[20:32:04] <Duggan> Premislaus we don't have villages :P[20:32:34] <Duggan> PulkoMandy let me try (I can never remember how dynamic_casts work or when or why to use them)[20:36:08] <Duggan> oh wow it worked! thank you! :D (as always...)[20:36:15] <Premislaus> Duggan: Then where "rednecks" (US-peasants) live?[20:37:25] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev50918 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=76c469dbcf42+%5E7e7aaa3989bc[20:37:26] <HAIKU-irker458> 76c469dbcf42: Fix some users of the HTTP API I missed in the previous commit.[20:38:36] <Duggan> lol[20:38:46] <Duggan> everywhere :P[20:40:55] <Premislaus> Duggan: I know very offensive video on YouTube, about "everywhere"...[20:43:22] <Dane__> humdinger Can you help me in priv for a moment?[20:43:54] <Duggan> Premislaus that's ok, I don't have sound so I'll pass :)[20:44:18] *** Luko <Luko!~Lukas@85.159.104.244> has joined #haiku[20:44:28] *** AndrewZ <AndrewZ!6202ca5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.2.202.90> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[20:45:44] *** Dane__ <Dane__!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[20:45:50] <Premislaus> Duggan: priv[20:46:08] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[20:46:49] *** pdziepak <pdziepak!~pdziepak@88.98.223.225> has joined #haiku[20:46:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o pdziepak[20:47:13] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has joined #haiku[20:48:47] <humdinger> Dane?[20:49:00] <humdinger> Mr. HaikuUser2?[20:49:05] <HaikuUser2> humdinger Hi, sorry, had to reboot, regathering my resources here. :-)[20:49:09] <HaikuUser2> Dane__[20:49:16] <[JJ]Albert> GreatDane?[20:49:29] <HaikuUser2> Hi Albert[20:49:29] <Duggan> Lieutenant Dane![20:49:37] <HaikuUser2> Ach tung[20:49:39] <[JJ]Albert> oh gee[20:49:41] *** HaikuUser2 is now known as Dane__[20:52:07] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3289 of haiku-master-x86 is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86/builds/3289 blamelist: Adrien Destugues <pulkomandy at gmail dot com>[20:54:09] *** Barrett_ <Barrett_!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[20:54:09] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett_[20:55:28] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-194-178.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:55:41] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 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<Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[21:11:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[21:11:38] *** Barrett_ <Barrett_!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[21:19:49] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3425 of haiku-master-x86_64 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_64/builds/3425[21:20:01] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev50919 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=4ad2ad6d848b+%5E76c469dbcf42[21:20:02] <HAIKU-irker458> 4ad2ad6d848b: DirMenu.cpp: fix memory leak.[21:25:48] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fndnipnfixldauas> has joined #haiku[21:25:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[21:27:05] *** Hugen_ <Hugen_!~chatzilla@cpc90748-finc18-2-0-cust471.4-2.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:35:02] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/fa4e81152a9f...894d95bccb14[21:35:04] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 894d95b - layouts: Adhere properly to RFC822 for RSS datetimes.[21:36:08] *** begasus <begasus!~begasus@ptr-4p6jpimpoww2495xzvh.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[21:39:33] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3290 of haiku-master-x86 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86/builds/3290[21:43:06] *** Luko <Luko!~Lukas@85.159.104.244> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[21:45:37] *** rgb <rgb!8166fef9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.102.254.249> has joined #haiku[21:54:07] *** prOSy_n8Ly <prOSy_n8Ly!~prOSy@p5B0861CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[21:56:02] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3380 of haiku-master-x86_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_hybrid/builds/3380[21:57:35] *** Hugen_ <Hugen_!~chatzilla@cpc90748-finc18-2-0-cust471.4-2.cable.virginm.net> has joined #haiku[22:13:05] *** knarfy <knarfy!~knarf@143.252.82.79.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:14:12] *** petterhj_ <petterhj_!~Petter@cm-84.209.150.30.getinternet.no> has joined #haiku[22:15:58] *** petterhj <petterhj!~Petter@cm-84.209.150.30.getinternet.no> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[22:17:46] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[22:18:17] <Vidrep> Hey[22:18:58] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 8 commits to master [+5/-3/±8] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/6deba1605598...e4c033dcc8e1[22:19:00] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli e75569b - colors: patch is upstreamed.[22:19:01] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 69f4066 - yab: build on x86_64.[22:19:03] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli bed1297 - artpaint: fix x86_64 build.[22:19:04] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] ... and 5 more commits.[22:19:19] <Vidrep> Web+ just crashed on a fresh install and pkgman update to hrev50919[22:19:51] <Vidrep> First launch of Web+ after updating I get a crash[22:21:02] <Vidrep> Tried again, another crash. This is on 64 bit[22:21:21] <KapiX> Vidrep Web+ is not updated on x86 and x86_64[22:21:36] <KapiX> and PulkoMandy introduced ABI breaking changes[22:21:52] <Vidrep> Updated or not, it's crashing[22:22:02] <Vidrep> I'll switch to x86_gcc2[22:22:09] <Vidrep> I can wait[22:22:18] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:23:18] *** begasus <begasus!~begasus@ptr-4p6jpimpoww2495xzvh.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[22:26:19] *** phcoder <phcoder!~phcoder@2a02:120b:2c2d:f7f0:208:9bff:fec0:435e> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[22:30:26] *** phcoder <phcoder!~phcoder@127.223.194.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch> has joined #haiku[22:31:56] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Quiit...)[22:40:34] *** _taos_ <_taos_!~taos@HSI-KBW-078-043-065-164.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[22:42:34] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[22:43:08] <Vidrep> After switching to hrev50919 x86_gcc2 I had a pair of Web+ crashes[22:43:21] <Vidrep> Redirects seem to be better[22:43:32] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:44:08] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, do you want a new trac ticket for the latest crashes?[22:46:39] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[22:52:05] <Vidrep> I created trac ticket #13263 for latest HaikuWebKit crash.[22:54:35] <Vidrep> The Webpositive issue with downloads "-0" etc generally are seen on the Haiku nightly download page[22:55:34] <Vidrep> I download anyboot images every couple of days, so I'll definitely report if I see that bug again[23:05:00] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, shouldn't our new website show fundraising for 2017?[23:05:13] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: not my responsibility[23:05:24] <Vidrep> Passing the buck...:)[23:05:28] <waddlesplash> that's leavengood's problem[23:05:37] * waddlesplash is now hacking on the userguide translation site[23:05:38] <Vidrep> Otherwise, very good[23:05:59] <Vidrep> Very quick to navigate, and scales nicely on my iPhone too[23:06:08] <waddlesplash> yep, that was the goal :)[23:06:53] <Vidrep> leavengood isn't going to notice unless someone points it out on the mailing list[23:07:22] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[23:07:26] <Vidrep> I don't write to the ML and I'm not going to start now[23:08:03] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[23:08:11] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@82-132-215-167.dab.02.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[23:09:51] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:14:34] *** Hugen_ <Hugen_!~chatzilla@cpc90748-finc18-2-0-cust471.4-2.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 50.1.0/20161208153507])[23:25:46] *** oco2 <oco2!~haiku@brs60-1-88-125-140-2.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[23:26:22] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:32:09] *** KapiX <KapiX!~kacper@89-65-138-76.dynamic.chello.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: KapiX)[23:43:58] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[23:48:06] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-092-252-079-071.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined #haiku[23:48:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[23:48:16] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@150.237.94.36> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:48:23] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[23:48:36] <Vidrep> Hi axeld[23:49:47] *** petterhj_ <petterhj_!~Petter@cm-84.209.150.30.getinternet.no> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[23:53:49] <axeld> Hi Vidrep[23:57:08] <Vidrep> How are things with the family?