January 29, 2017 
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January 29, 2017 [00:00:04] <Barrett> 3 times in 2 minutes[00:03:50] *** Guma <Guma!~Guma@2607:fb90:170f:2a93:ada0:6e6d:2a37:e165> has joined #haiku[00:04:27] *** prOSy_n8Ly <prOSy_n8Ly!~prOSy@p5B087CA2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[00:06:36] <Barrett> that's like: 10 second to make a change[00:06:40] <Barrett> 20 minutes to test it[00:07:20] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-85-197-17-217.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Quit: bai)[00:08:59] *** Guma <Guma!~Guma@2607:fb90:170f:2a93:ada0:6e6d:2a37:e165> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[00:13:26] *** OscarL <OscarL!~chatzilla@186.13.5.125> has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 50.1.0/20161208153507])[00:15:05] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-085-008-099-228.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Quit: axeld)[00:16:52] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[00:31:10] <FreeFull> Barrett: I haven't had that happen[00:31:17] <FreeFull> Is this with QEMU, Virtualbox, or something else?[00:31:23] <Barrett> vbox[00:31:43] <FreeFull> I'm guessing you're trying to figure out why web+ is crashing on quit?[00:31:50] <Vidrep> Any idea why this file is here? /boot/home/haikuports/net-print/cups/patches/cups-1.4.1.diff[00:31:55] <Barrett> FreeFull, no[00:32:20] <Barrett> Vidrep, non upstreamed?[00:32:22] <FreeFull> I'm running the latest nightly in vbox and I haven't had haiku or vbox freeze[00:32:32] <FreeFull> I could try some sort of stress test though if you want[00:34:11] <Barrett> I just open web+ search some url and it freeze everything[00:34:14] <Barrett> even on google[00:34:25] <Barrett> that's why it's extremely irritating[00:34:30] <Vidrep> Barrett, we don't have packages for CUPS. Besides, version 1.4.1 is pretty old. Current is 2.2.2[00:35:28] <Vidrep> Barrett, having fun with Web+ are you? It crashes or locks up on almost every redirect[00:35:43] <FreeFull> Barrett: I just did that, no freeze[00:35:49] <FreeFull> I even clicked on a youtube link and I'm listening to it now[00:36:03] *** petterhj <petterhj!~Petter@cm-84.209.150.30.getinternet.no> has joined #haiku[00:36:50] <FreeFull> hrev50907[00:37:56] <FreeFull> Oh, I didn't know about BeBytes[00:37:57] <FreeFull> Nice[00:38:13] <FreeFull> For some reason the font for it is super tiny in webpositive for me, though[00:38:51] <Barrett> Vidrep, nice[00:40:02] <stargater> http://i.imgur.com/2MhE2.jpg goooood old days[00:40:34] <Barrett> when you didn't have open source devs to blame?[00:40:40] <stargater> bebeistert 1970 :-) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqirlQrWEAAihdO.jpg[00:41:22] <FreeFull> Barrett: Should we compare our set-ups, to figure out why it's crashing for you and not me?[00:41:38] <FreeFull> Or freezing, rather[00:41:44] *** tojoko <tojoko!~tonio@p5B15036D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:41:44] <stargater> old and modern http://imgur.com/a/badwC[00:42:11] <FreeFull> That CRT monitor must be a real power guzzler[00:43:39] <Barrett> ah[00:43:49] <Barrett> it's not just the buildbot[00:43:55] <Barrett> also the commmits aren't displayed in irc[00:44:03] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: barrett * hrev50908 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=3190c83b339f+%5E92b020b5ea23[00:44:03] <HAIKU-irker458> 3190c83b339f: media_addon_server: Don't set the gain at each start[00:44:07] <Barrett> ah ok.[00:45:41] <Barrett> FreeFull, I don't think so[00:46:17] <Barrett> I will get at doing some funny hobby now[00:46:25] <Barrett> like programming something serious[00:46:40] <Barrett> or playing some pink anderson's song[00:46:45] <FreeFull> It could be even something stupid like one network driver misbehaving, but another one not[00:47:00] <circ-user> @Barrett: something about haiku testers, while one have fun others.. http://www.cda.pl/video/72957936 :)[00:47:31] <FreeFull> I have the network adapter set as Intel PRO/1000 MT Desktop (82540EM) and that seems to be working well[00:47:44] <circ-user> have you tried to change network card or something like that in vbox? mabe..[00:47:48] <FreeFull> Audio is ICH AC97, HDA was misbehaving I think[00:48:43] <FreeFull> Haiku works great with real HDA sound hardware, I think Virtualbox's implementation might do something stupid[00:51:29] <Barrett> circ-user, I will get some rest with it.[00:55:51] <Barrett> circ-user, funny :)[01:00:26] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uskivzyotilpdzdp> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[01:10:37] *** circ-user <circ-user!~IceChat9@ip-80-236-196-194.dsl.scarlet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three. No more. No less.)[01:17:16] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cvhxugvqcqbhzuhz> has joined #haiku[01:17:24] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cvhxugvqcqbhzuhz> has quit IRC (Changing host)[01:17:24] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@unaffiliated/whilhelm> has joined #haiku[01:17:24] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@unaffiliated/whilhelm> has quit IRC (Changing host)[01:17:24] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cvhxugvqcqbhzuhz> has joined #haiku[01:26:40] <HaikuUser2> hi, where i can get information for update my haiku system (vm) hrev50897 to the last nightly ?[01:27:38] <Duggan> https://download.haiku-os.org/ at the bottom of the page[01:28:21] *** chomar <chomar!uid208546@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zlrvqcbrszsjouwm> has joined #haiku[01:28:53] <HaikuUser2> thanks Duggar[01:29:56] <Duggan> that's where you get the images, as far as instructions, you would do it just like you would if you were running natively, boot from one image and install to another[01:30:24] <Duggan> some people say it's not a good idea to install over an existing install, but I do it reasonably frequently without too much trouble[01:30:59] <Barrett> it's possible to update from commandline too.[01:31:38] <HaikuUser2> thanks for the info, i made backup and trying your overwrite method[01:37:22] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@vir91-7-88-163-35-222.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[01:37:47] <ohnx> :D[01:38:03] <Duggan> hej ohnx[01:38:09] <ohnx> hej da[01:38:25] <Duggan> leaving?[01:39:21] <ohnx> oh does hej da mean "goodbye"[01:39:25] <ohnx> i thought i meant "good day"[01:40:09] <Duggan> hej då means goodbye :)[01:40:36] <ohnx> in croatian it means "hey you" :>[01:40:58] <Duggan> lol well all I know is a couple words of Swedish, and in Swedish it's goobye :P[01:41:16] <ohnx> ah ok[01:42:07] <Duggan> it may literally be "good day", that's used to say bye in English sometimes too[01:42:12] <Duggan> I'll have to check[01:42:35] <ohnx> i must as a swedish friend lol[01:42:53] <ohnx> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hej_d%C3%A5[01:42:58] <ohnx> s/as/ask/[01:43:20] <Duggan> :)[01:43:30] <ohnx> "(dialectal, Norrland) hi, hello"[01:43:51] <Duggan> can whoever's working on web+ please take a look at http://translate.google.com ... that's so messed up it'll keep you busy for months[01:44:10] <ohnx> LOL[01:45:14] <Duggan> ohnx the funny thing in Swedish is "hej" is formal and "hejsan" is informal.... usually informalisms are shorter than formalisms :P[01:45:52] <ohnx> interesting[01:48:04] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[01:48:45] <Duggan> apparently the swedish channel has been shut down :( used to be pretty active too[01:49:07] <Duggan> the Polish channel is doing well which is a little surprising[02:06:07] <Duggan> ohnx good day is "god dag"[02:07:15] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[02:10:47] <Premislaus> Duggan: You went to Polish channel, and leave that place, like boy to the girl toilet.[02:10:53] <Duggan> apparently "bowl" and "mother" are greetings too :P[02:11:03] <Duggan> Premislaus yes, I felt like a boy in the girl's toilet[02:11:22] <Premislaus> Duggan: I think you are Polish in heart.[02:11:41] <Duggan> hahaha no I wanted to see how active some of the foreign language channels are[02:11:53] <Duggan> I used to hang out in the Swedish channel on occasion... it doesn't even exist anymore[02:12:45] <Barrett> open source in general is pretty much internationalized[02:12:50] <Barrett> compared to past[02:13:37] <Premislaus> Duggan: It must be related to Swedish open border politic.[02:13:46] <Duggan> hah[02:14:31] <Premislaus> Duggan: In the past, we were more active.[02:15:02] <Duggan> in the past, all of the Haiku community was more active[02:15:17] <Premislaus> Duggan: Make Haiku great again![02:15:34] <Duggan> lol... Beta 1 is imminent... that'll do a lot for it[02:16:17] <Barrett> apparently[02:16:57] <Duggan> I'm a little concerned about the reviews we might get though[02:17:29] <Barrett> I don't know, I think the system is overall usable[02:17:40] <Barrett> while there are still some faults[02:17:45] <Duggan> even after 5 years away, there's not a lot of particularly visible changes since R1A4[02:18:01] <Barrett> there are lots of internal ones however[02:18:18] <Duggan> and I don't know about the 32 bit builds, but x86_64 isn't as stable as I'd expect[02:18:19] <Barrett> restarting the media_server is instantaneous now for example[02:18:28] <Barrett> or install in 20 seconds the whole system[02:18:34] <Duggan> Barrett doesn't do me any good, I have no audio :/[02:18:51] <Duggan> Barrett yeah but it takes longer to boot now thanks to the package manager too[02:19:04] <Barrett> I don't feel so much difference really[02:19:22] <Barrett> considering the power of hardware today[02:19:39] <Duggan> x86_64 is less stable now than a gcc4 hybrid was 5 years ago[02:19:53] <Barrett> gcc4hybrid[02:20:01] <Barrett> is totally different from x86_64[02:20:10] <Barrett> you can't compare at all.[02:20:16] <Duggan> Barrett I do... it's slower on newer hardware than it was years ago, and apparently that's due to package management[02:20:33] <Duggan> Barrett I certainly can compare from an end user perspective[02:20:49] <Barrett> dunno use poem os[02:20:58] <Duggan> never heard of it[02:21:33] <Barrett> Duggan, there are always tradeoffs[02:21:38] <Barrett> I think it's a good one[02:22:23] <Premislaus> Duggan: Is there OSS on 64-bit, in HaikuDepot?[02:23:36] <Duggan> Premislaus I'll check...[02:24:06] <Duggan> Premislaus I don't see it, what's the package name exactly?[02:24:28] <Duggan> Barrett meh, I'm not ready for forks yet...[02:24:53] <Premislaus> Duggan: Only GCC2 :-( https://depot.haiku-os.org/#/pkg/opensound/haikuports/4/2_git/-/-/2/x86_gcc2?bcguid=bc328-BIWL[02:26:03] <Barrett> Duggan, I meant the package manager[02:26:08] <Barrett> the tradeoff[02:26:34] <Barrett> Premislaus, we need to set up buildbots[02:26:38] <Duggan> Barrett ah.... having package management is good, having it so integrated I'm not so sure about[02:29:35] <Premislaus> Duggan: You can only tap fingers over table - Trututu trututu...[02:32:18] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: I need sleep, or I'm drunk, or both)[02:33:42] <Duggan> Premislaus hehe[02:35:07] <Premislaus> Duggan: This is a laugh trough tears... Media OS™ remember![02:36:04] *** petterhj <petterhj!~Petter@cm-84.209.150.30.getinternet.no> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[02:39:39] <Premislaus> Duggan: I bought cheap book to learning English, by practice - "Remember the Alamo!", by Jeff Jeffries. Is printed in China.[02:40:11] <Duggan> haha[02:41:25] <Duggan> have to run to the store, back in a few[02:42:19] <Premislaus> Duggan: Get some cigs for me.[02:45:13] *** circ-user <circ-user!~IceChat9@ip-80-236-196-194.dsl.scarlet.be> has joined #haiku[02:51:32] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[02:53:03] <circ-user> Wooha.. i did it! I've found the music of Haiku it's not JassieWare - Say You Love me, it's something more livin' - Bon Jovi - Livin' On A Prayer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDK9QqIzhwk[02:53:52] <circ-user> "It doesn't make different we make beta ready or not.."[02:54:13] <circ-user> "For love we will give a boot"[02:55:00] <circ-user> "Jessica dreams of running UEFI.."[02:55:57] <circ-user> "Ohh half way there, oohhh livin on the prayer"[02:56:22] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zgtkqcthfumnvylm> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[03:02:37] *** kentaromiura_ <kentaromiura_!~kentaromi@2a02:c7f:c609:a00:5824:ff19:c00b:ed89> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[03:07:10] <Duggan> circ-user lol[03:15:33] *** circ-user <circ-user!~IceChat9@ip-80-236-196-194.dsl.scarlet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day)[03:19:04] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #140 of haiku-master-x86_64-debug is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_64-debug/builds/140[03:19:43] <ohnx> /nick netcat-user[03:19:52] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #141 of haiku-master-x86_hybrid-debug is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_hybrid-debug/builds/141[03:20:42] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #141 of haiku-master-x86-debug is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86-debug/builds/141[03:21:31] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-103-194.toya.net.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[03:31:25] *** stakewinner00 <stakewinner00!~stakewinn@189.141.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es> has joined #haiku[03:34:58] *** stakewinner00 <stakewinner00!~stakewinn@189.141.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[03:35:34] <mmu_man> Duggan: sorry I don't have a 64bit install to buid it[03:35:44] <mmu_man> not even sure it'd build[03:35:50] <mmu_man> but please try :)[03:37:57] <Duggan> mmu_man build what?[03:38:57] <mmu_man> OSS[03:40:46] <Duggan> oh... Premislaus was asking about it... I guess it was for me, but I don't know... maybe I'll try it[03:43:14] <Duggan> assuming I can remember how to use haikuport[s|er][03:46:00] *** scottmc <scottmc!~scottmc@c-67-174-194-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[03:51:05] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@150.237.94.36> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:54:26] <mmu_man> there's a wiki :)[03:56:00] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@97-113-101-129.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[03:56:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[04:17:50] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[04:27:04] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-194-178.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #haiku[04:30:05] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@97-113-101-129.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[04:30:36] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[04:33:50] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: anevilyak * hrev50909 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=99dde24c8669+%5E3190c83b339f[04:33:51] <HAIKU-irker458> 99dde24c8669: HaikuDepot: Fix gcc5 build.[04:35:48] *** chomar <chomar!uid208546@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zlrvqcbrszsjouwm> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[04:42:06] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:02:23] <Duggan> mmu_man yeah.... I don't even know what I'm doing...[05:02:34] <Duggan> I don't even know where to look to try to figure out where this failed...[05:06:47] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3281 of haiku-master-x86 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86/builds/3281[05:08:10] <Duggan> conf->platform is only set in one place and to a literal... so it's either invalid or "i86pc"... why in the world did you guys set this up this way? :/[05:10:22] <Duggan> or whoever did this anyway... this makes no sense[05:11:43] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-194-178.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[05:14:59] *** _Dario <_Dario!vision@190.55.159.232> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[05:15:12] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!vision@190.55.159.232> has joined #haiku[05:16:28] * Duggan finds something that may be useful...[05:20:08] *** _Dario_ is now known as _Dario__[05:22:25] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3371 of haiku-master-x86_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_hybrid/builds/3371[05:51:36] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3189 of haiku-repository-x86_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_hybrid/builds/3189[05:54:10] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[05:54:52] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[06:59:56] *** _Dario__ <_Dario__!vision@190.55.159.232> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[07:08:22] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[07:28:35] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[07:42:00] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[07:49:11] <Duggan> wasn't there a Laying It All Out, Part 2?[07:49:28] <Duggan> I couldn've sworn there was, but it's not coming up in any searches[07:53:45] <Duggan> (of course I also thought there was such a thing as a BToolbar (or BToolBar) but, as usual, I'm quite wrong...)[08:00:55] <stargater> Duggan: :-) the part 2 (i am waiting soooo lomg)[08:01:14] <stargater> welcome to the jungle[08:05:14] <Duggan> I seriously thought there already was a part 2...[08:14:09] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[08:15:32] <Duggan> ...[08:15:38] <Duggan> sorry to whoever worked on it, but...[08:15:49] <Duggan> the layout system is trash[08:16:23] <Duggan> BView::SetExplicitPreferredSize() does absolutely nothing[08:19:38] <Duggan> all I want is a damn toolbar that I can put BPictureButtons and BMenuFields and stuff like that on that takes up as little of the screen as it can, save an inset...[08:46:46] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-194-178.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #haiku[09:00:58] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[09:08:27] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-194-178.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[09:10:26] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cvhxugvqcqbhzuhz> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[09:18:20] <stargater> Duggan: Duggan What a program you write?[09:23:00] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-194-178.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #haiku[09:26:07] <miqlas> Can somebody help me? I want to enable only SSE and SSE2 for a program at the configure stage. For that, i need to pass a number to the configure script. It is a bitvector, and i need to add some values together to get this bitvector. SSE1 have the value: 512, and SSE2 have the value: 256, then is the result 768 or 384? I don't understand the arch and gentoo guys. They using 384 for SS1 and SSE2 but it doesn't[09:26:07] <miqlas> makes sense for me.[09:27:12] <Duggan> stargater I'm working on yet another IDE[09:27:36] <Duggan> miqlas I'm not sure, that doesn't make much sense, but does happen to be bitshifted if that helps[09:32:51] *** [Beta] <[Beta]!~beta@steamdb/johndrinkwater.name> has joined #haiku[09:34:07] *** johndrinkwater <johndrinkwater!~beta@steamdb/johndrinkwater.name> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[09:35:20] *** lezsakdomi <lezsakdomi!~led@540354BE.catv.pool.telekom.hu> has joined #haiku[09:35:21] <miqlas> Duggan, it works wit 384[09:36:03] <Duggan> at least something is working for somebody :P[09:36:45] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[09:37:35] <stargater> Duggan: screenshots?[09:38:20] <stargater> see are 32bit register and sse2 64bit register i think[09:41:07] <stargater> miqlas: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-4142673.html?sid=cbfc7da32b1e56306f9311980b42196a see the last post[09:46:43] <Duggan> stargater none yet[09:48:42] *** tojoko <tojoko!~tonio@p5B15036D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[09:49:31] *** pixdamix <pixdamix!~pix@unaffiliated/pixdamix> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[09:52:21] <miqlas> Duggan: it bailed out, it says: NO GENERAL CASE SURVIVED[09:52:31] <miqlas> I like this descriptive erors[09:52:41] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[09:52:42] <Duggan> haha yeah tell me about it[09:53:00] <miqlas> i just did[09:53:40] <miqlas> it tries to get the L1 cache size[09:53:48] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has joined #haiku[09:54:20] <miqlas> maybe 384 isn't correct.[09:55:27] <miqlas> oooor i shouldn't pass the jobargs! it already knows about the cpu count.... hmmm...[09:57:50] <Duggan> miqlas if you would, please... I can't get a link to the page because of web+ bugs, but if you search google for "teacher talk rejoinders and exclamations they keep the conversation flowing", maybe it will explain what "tell me about it" means a little... I can't find a better site, but try it[09:58:05] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: there is no Laying it All out part 2, but there is documentation in api.haiku-os.org with rather extensive coverage of the layout classes[09:58:09] <PulkoMandy> and, there IS a BToolBar[09:58:40] <PulkoMandy> in headers/private/shared for now[09:58:45] <Duggan> PulkoMandy eh query does not show any files with btoolbar in the name, and the documentation for the layout classes is highly insufficient[09:58:59] <PulkoMandy> headers/private/shared/ToolBar.h[09:59:00] <Duggan> PulkoMandy eh.... I queried it... unless queries are broken...[09:59:12] <Duggan> bleh, that might be why I guess[09:59:30] <PulkoMandy> I think queries in /boot don't look inside packages? (technically not the same filesystem)[09:59:38] <Duggan> either way, there's no way to put a view in the layout system and say "I want you to take up as little room as your children allow"[10:00:00] <Duggan> and if there is, it's not documented or not in a way that is understandable by humans[10:00:11] <PulkoMandy> that's the default behavior, you just need to add "glue" so the window can resize without having to resize other views[10:01:04] <Duggan> glue adds space, the default behaviour is for all views to share equal (weighted) space[10:01:39] <PulkoMandy> unless they have a preferred size, which most controls do[10:01:51] <Duggan> if I want one view to take up as much space as possible and another to take up as little space as possible, without just setting silly weights (which probably won't provide the desired behaviour anyway) there's no documented way that I've seen or understood[10:02:28] <Duggan> like if I prefer a view to stay 30 pixels high as long as it's children don't grow[10:02:52] <Duggan> SetExplicitPreferredSize doesn't work[10:14:05] <PulkoMandy> SetExplicit*Size does weird things[10:14:13] <PulkoMandy> I can never make sense of it[10:20:32] <Duggan> so at least we agree something is broke[10:24:41] <PulkoMandy> "broke" I don't know, last time I discussed this with stippi it was perfectly clear to him and worked as intended[10:24:52] <PulkoMandy> but at least for me it is counter intuitive[10:27:30] <miqlas> YEY, it compiles...[10:27:36] <PulkoMandy> the API docs says this: This forces the minimal size for the item and overrides any constraints that would normally be used to compute it. Most importantly, the minimal size of children is ignored, so setting this can lead to the children not fitting the view.[10:27:59] <PulkoMandy> so usually you don't want to use this, because it overrides everything and basically disables the layout automatic size computation[10:28:38] <miqlas> Guys, how can one define the conlicting packages in the recipe? I searchd for 'conflict", but no dice.[10:28:49] <PulkoMandy> I think you can see some places in Haiku sources where another pattern is used: override MinSize/MaxSize/PreferredSize to do what you want (including calling superclass version to see what size it thinks you should use)[10:29:08] <Duggan> PulkoMandy that sounds terrible :/[10:30:54] <PulkoMandy> miqlas: according to the docs: CONFLICTS= ... (same syntax as REQUIRES)[10:31:09] <stargater> nice -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKoRRA4MyM4[10:31:18] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: PreferredSize has been this way also in BeOS, so that just reuses the same thing[10:31:29] <miqlas> thanks![10:31:33] <PulkoMandy> MaxSize and MinSize were added for layout purposes[10:32:09] <PulkoMandy> the SetExplicit things only add confusion, maybe we should see about their actual usage and remove them or extract them to some "tooling" class[10:35:48] <Duggan> well, I found a way to get it to work, even though it was not an ideal solution for me... so I really am not that worried about it right now[10:35:59] <Duggan> I know I'll have to deal with it again eventually[10:42:54] <miqlas> If somebody have enough time, coould look into this thing: https://opentoonz.github.io/e/index.html[10:43:23] <PulkoMandy> miqlas: mmu_man was involved in porting it to Linux[10:43:27] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[10:43:42] <miqlas> that's why he ported the SuperLU[10:43:47] <miqlas> now i understand.[10:48:34] *** stakewinner00 <stakewinner00!~stakewinn@193.140.19.95.dynamic.jazztel.es> has joined #haiku[10:52:03] <Duggan> hej Premislaus[11:02:24] *** kentaromiura_ <kentaromiura_!~kentaromi@2a02:c7f:c609:a00:5824:ff19:c00b:ed89> has joined #haiku[11:04:36] *** prOSy_n8Ly <prOSy_n8Ly!~prOSy@p5B087CA2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[11:04:40] <prOSy_n8Ly> hi[11:04:55] <Duggan> hej prOSy_n8Ly[11:05:13] <Duggan> anybody know how to get the BRect for the client area of a BTab?...[11:06:44] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-194-178.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[11:08:12] <PulkoMandy> BTabView->TabFrame().top += BTabView->TabHeight() ?[11:08:18] <PulkoMandy> don't think there is a shorter way[11:08:32] <PulkoMandy> BTabView->Frame().top += BTabView->TabHeight() ?[11:08:40] <PulkoMandy> actually, TabFrame is something else[11:08:47] *** stakewinner00 <stakewinner00!~stakewinn@193.140.19.95.dynamic.jazztel.es> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:10:20] <PulkoMandy> we will probably need to add something there when we implement BTabView with tabs on the side or bottom (there is work in progress towards that[11:11:09] <Duggan> eh... so I have to hardcode a view size to go into a BTab?.... I don't follow...[11:14:15] <Duggan> or Bounds - TabHeight maybe[11:15:56] <Premislaus> Hej Duggan[11:16:06] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!~vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:16:39] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!~vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[11:17:36] <kentaromiura_> Virtualbox keeps showing a guru meditation pop up while using haiku[11:24:29] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-198-179-10.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:24:48] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-163-172-86.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[11:24:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[11:26:07] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-85-197-17-217.netcologne.de> has joined #haiku[11:26:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jua_[12:03:03] <Duggan> BScrollView + BOutlineView + BGroupLayout + BTabView + BTab = total and complete failure[12:03:42] <Premislaus> Duggan: Why?[12:03:43] <Duggan> it's so broken it's almost funny if it wasn't so infuriating[12:04:53] <Duggan> the vertical scrollbar kindof draws, but it's x is only half what it should be, and it's height may be about the same...[12:05:10] <Duggan> well, half of where the outlineview draws anyway, which is about half of what it should be[12:05:37] <Duggan> the horizontal scrollbar is at least the same width as the outline view but it's just a rectangle and it's y coordinate is all messed up[12:05:46] <Duggan> the outline view of course doesn't draw right[12:07:28] <PulkoMandy> what's this OutlineView?[12:08:07] <Duggan> BOutlineListView[12:08:10] <PulkoMandy> ah[12:08:34] <Duggan> this is a friggin nightmare[12:08:41] <PulkoMandy> not sure what your window layout is then… list view on the left with scrollbars + tab view on the right?[12:09:41] <PulkoMandy> DataTranslation and Media prefs manage to do that so it must be possible somehow :>[12:12:21] <Duggan> media just sets an insanely large view size by default[12:12:29] <Duggan> already looked at it[12:13:33] <Duggan> I don't see anything in data translations that has a scrollview inside a tab[12:15:37] <Duggan> if I don't SetLayout on the BScrollView, it's a LOT better, but the width and height are still off[12:16:53] *** BrunoSpre <BrunoSpre!~vision@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[12:17:02] <Duggan> SetLayout on the tabview doesn't help[12:20:53] *** AD_Anime__ <AD_Anime__!~JohnN@5ec30d96.skybroadband.com> has joined #haiku[12:21:47] <Duggan> for one, it's completely overwriting the tabview...[12:22:06] <PulkoMandy> BScrollView and BTabView shouldn't need layouts[12:22:19] <PulkoMandy> they are a bit special cases[12:22:39] <PulkoMandy> I think BTabView already uses a BCardLayout internally to switch between the different views[12:23:40] <PulkoMandy> and BScrollView does its own thing to scroll the view that's inside anyway, so it doesn't need a layout at this level. Just one child view that it will scroll[12:23:48] *** AD_MOS2 <AD_MOS2!~JohnN@5ec30d96.skybroadband.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[12:24:25] <PulkoMandy> if you want to do everything with layouts, you should do that yourself with BScrollBar and I guess a grid layout to put the scrollbars next to the scrolled view[12:24:31] <PulkoMandy> and no BScrollView at all[12:25:18] <Duggan> ok, there's still an offset that's wrong[12:25:56] <Duggan> the views are (I assume) 1 pixel x 1 pixel (the size specified when constructed) such that as the window changes size, they keep that offset[12:26:06] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@apn-37-248-167-150.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[12:26:08] <Duggan> so there's huge blank areas to the right and bottom of the view[12:26:22] <Duggan> the tab is showing up now[12:27:48] <PulkoMandy> you should not specify any size when using views with the layout kit[12:28:01] <PulkoMandy> there is a specific version of the constructor that doesn't take a BRect argument[12:28:19] <Duggan> :/[12:28:43] *** BrunoSpre <BrunoSpre!~vision@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[12:28:49] <Duggan> +8 errors[12:30:26] <Duggan> PulkoMandy ok, got it to compile...[12:30:40] <Duggan> except now the outline list view doesn't draw or doesn't resize or whatever[12:30:53] <Duggan> the scrollview does (still wrong) but the outlinelistview does not[12:31:13] <Duggan> and the only change was the constructor[12:32:13] <Duggan> PulkoMandy would you mind taking a look at the code?[12:32:25] <stargater> Duggan: have you see AML layout manager?[12:33:04] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: I can have a look, do you have a git repo?[12:33:28] <stargater> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/headers/libs/alm[12:35:41] <Duggan> PulkoMandy yes one second[12:35:45] <Duggan> stargater not very useful to me here[12:36:19] <Duggan> PulkoMandy https://github.com/DeweyTaylor/CodePal[12:36:33] <stargater> wow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45X4VP8CGtk[12:36:40] <Duggan> if you don't clone it, at least please take a look at the bottom of MainWindow.cpp, that's where the issues are[12:36:55] <Duggan> it's REALLY messy right now because of me trying to figure this out[12:37:56] <Duggan> I checked it in at the best state I can get it in (I reverted to the constructor call with the BRect specified because the OutlineListView at least draws/resizes properly inside the scrollview)[12:38:41] <Duggan> it's a lot of temporary crap too, once i get it working I'll do all the proper members and stuff like that to keep track of stuff as needed[12:39:05] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@118.149.205.172> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[12:39:48] <PulkoMandy> mh… no makefile?[12:40:05] <Duggan> oh..... no... sorry... using paladin for now... I can generate one if you like[12:40:54] <PulkoMandy> yes, "g++ *.cpp -lbe" does not work so I'll need one[12:41:03] <Duggan> PulkoMandy makefile now up[12:41:32] <PulkoMandy> ah wait, works with gcc5[12:41:39] <Duggan> hehe[12:41:55] <Duggan> well I pushed one up anyway[12:42:20] <PulkoMandy> makefile doesn't work (hardcoded libstdc++ path)[12:42:29] * Duggan sighs[12:42:35] <PulkoMandy> g++-x86 *.cpp -lbe -ltracker does the tricks[12:43:50] <Duggan> ok, it's up[12:44:14] <Duggan> open the mockup file[12:44:16] <PulkoMandy> mh… too many tab views :)[12:44:26] <Duggan> keep them collapsed :P[12:44:38] <Duggan> the split views should be collapsed by default[12:44:47] <Duggan> that's for future expansion ;)[12:49:16] <kentaromiura_> aaaand another guru meditation[12:50:19] <Duggan> PulkoMandy anything obvious I'm missing?[12:51:16] <PulkoMandy> you have a pull request :)[12:52:22] <Duggan> did you try it with those changes? because that doesn't work[12:52:36] <kentaromiura_> seems there's a bunch of read error rc=VERR_PAGE_TABLE_NOT_PRESENT in my log just before the panic[12:53:25] <Duggan> PulkoMandy or I should say, when I took it out of the "newoutline" constructor, it didn't draw the outline view at all[12:54:01] <PulkoMandy> http://pulkomandy.tk/drop/screenshot1.png[12:54:23] <PulkoMandy> it has the outline view, it has the tabs, it has the scrollbars[12:54:43] <PulkoMandy> but I needed to remove ALL BRect, including in the MainWindows constructor for everything[12:55:00] <PulkoMandy> otherwise the old BRect based code and the new layout stuff are competing to lay out the window and everything breaks[12:55:07] <Duggan> ugh[12:55:10] <kentaromiura_> I'll try to update virtualbox as this version is pretty old, maybe that's my issue[12:55:18] <Duggan> how do I merge?[12:55:39] <PulkoMandy> there probably is a "rebase and merge" button or something similar in the pull request[12:58:46] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[12:58:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[13:05:03] <Duggan> thanks PulkoMandy :)[13:05:42] <Duggan> now to figure out how to make that silly BMenuField not resize :/[13:06:02] <Duggan> finally figured it all out (merging and undoing some apparent change I didn't know I made[13:06:04] <Duggan> )[13:06:12] <Duggan> thank you very much :)[13:06:24] *** kentaromiura_ <kentaromiura_!~kentaromi@2a02:c7f:c609:a00:5824:ff19:c00b:ed89> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[13:06:45] <Duggan> I'll keep that in mind in the future... I didn't know that it had two systems to pick between and got confused like that, I figured it all worked together behind the scenes.... shows what I know...[13:09:40] <Duggan> PulkoMandy so what do you think so far? ;) (still crap I know, but it's early yet)[13:10:13] *** prOSy_n8Ly <prOSy_n8Ly!~prOSy@p5B087CA2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[13:10:37] <Duggan> first phase is more or less making a Paladin type project manager, then adding the code editor, then adding the fancy stuff...[13:11:23] *** e1z0_ <e1z0_!~textual@netlinux/founder/e1z0> has joined #haiku[13:12:26] <Duggan> obviously adding multiple target support ;) one thing Paladin is lacking...[13:13:56] <PulkoMandy> well you will probably not manage to make me switch away from vim as my editor, but we'll see how it turns out for others :)[13:14:46] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[13:18:07] <Duggan> lol alright, PulkoMandy :)[13:18:34] <Duggan> I'll take that as meaning "pretty decent start so far, keep it up!" :P[13:18:56] <PulkoMandy> :)[13:34:54] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-34-74.bix.bellsouth.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[13:35:06] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-34-74.bix.bellsouth.net> has joined #haiku[13:35:14] <Duggan> crap... closed the wrong window :/[13:40:11] *** stakewinner00 <stakewinner00!~stakewinn@193.140.19.95.dynamic.jazztel.es> has joined #haiku[13:44:47] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-194-178.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #haiku[13:47:53] *** stakewinner00|2 <stakewinner00|2!~stakewinn@104.135.19.95.dynamic.jazztel.es> has joined #haiku[13:47:57] *** stakewinner00 <stakewinner00!~stakewinn@193.140.19.95.dynamic.jazztel.es> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[13:52:10] *** AD_Anime__ <AD_Anime__!~JohnN@5ec30d96.skybroadband.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[13:58:37] *** stakewinner00|2 <stakewinner00|2!~stakewinn@104.135.19.95.dynamic.jazztel.es> has quit IRC ()[13:58:52] *** stakewinner00 <stakewinner00!~stakewinn@104.135.19.95.dynamic.jazztel.es> has joined #haiku[14:06:35] *** stakewinner00 <stakewinner00!~stakewinn@104.135.19.95.dynamic.jazztel.es> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[14:15:13] *** stakewinner00 <stakewinner00!~stakewinn@111.141.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es> has joined #haiku[14:21:36] <Barrett> Duggan, add a way to do a split view in your editor please[14:21:58] <Barrett> look at two portions of the same file in two windows/tabs depending on your gui[14:24:19] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±3] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/082a04544912...0845c818b087[14:24:20] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli f9d8797 - libotr: disable fPIE, stack protector.[14:24:22] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 0845c81 - vncserver: fix x86_64 build.[14:28:12] <XeonSquared> anyone know if the PPC build of Haiku works?[14:29:55] <Barrett> XeonSquared, it's just a preliminary port AFAIK[14:30:04] <Barrett> maybe you can get the kernel running, not sure[14:30:48] <XeonSquared> I might poke at it some time[14:31:19] <XeonSquared> It'd be much nicer than OS X or VESA-mode Linux on the eMac[14:33:31] <PulkoMandy> https://www.cocoawithlove.com/blog/porting-from-macos8-to-sierra.html :p[14:34:03] <PulkoMandy> XeonSquared: not sure you can even build a boot image from the PPC build at the moment. mmu_man is hacking on it on and off and trying to port it to the Sam440 board[14:34:32] <XeonSquared> hm, okay[14:34:45] *** vooshy <vooshy!~vooshy@cpc12-nrwh10-2-0-cust713.4-4.cable.virginm.net> has joined #haiku[14:36:11] *** e1z0_ <e1z0_!~textual@netlinux/founder/e1z0> has quit IRC (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[14:42:29] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rgbxyjvercrpqmuf> has joined #haiku[14:45:02] <XeonSquared> I might throw 9front on it for kicks[14:49:44] <Premislaus> jessicah: I can't find instruction. I must create two partition, FAT32 EFI and BFS. On FAT32 I must to install bootloader?[14:49:55] <Premislaus> *Haiku Bootloader[15:04:13] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-194-178.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:08:27] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-194-178.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #haiku[15:28:42] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[15:36:38] *** tojoko <tojoko!~tonio@p5B15036D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[15:38:01] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:43:48] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-194-178.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:53:37] <Duggan> Premislaus yes, on the fat32 partition, copy the efi file, install Haiku to the BFS partition[15:55:20] <Premislaus> Duggan: Manually or installer do it?[16:13:40] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:14:33] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-103-194.toya.net.pl> has joined #haiku[16:15:32] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[16:15:33] <mmu_man> Duggan: told you, I didn't try building[16:15:45] <mmu_man> well I had to fit in their existing framework...[16:15:59] <mmu_man> probably just needs a case for 64 bit[16:25:25] *** BrunoSpre <BrunoSpre!~vision@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[16:30:15] <Premislaus> Hej Haiku Friends! We have "nm" in Terminal?[16:30:28] *** stakewinner00 <stakewinner00!~stakewinn@111.141.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:30:36] <mmu_man> Premislaus: sure[16:30:55] <mmu_man> it's part of binutils[16:31:00] <Premislaus> mmu_man: You are on Haiku currently?[16:32:42] *** vooshy <vooshy!~vooshy@cpc12-nrwh10-2-0-cust713.4-4.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:32:42] <Premislaus> mmu_man: Currently I'm on Linux and I'm doing backup for cloud. I need for someone output of "nm libbe.so".[16:34:56] <mmu_man> was about to start the VM[16:35:59] <Premislaus> mmu_man: I'm not using VM, only bare metal ;)[16:38:42] <PulkoMandy> nm libbe.so: http://sprunge.us/KJLH[16:39:12] <PulkoMandy> (gcc2)[16:39:18] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy: Thank you very much![16:39:31] <PulkoMandy> and gcc5: http://sprunge.us/LVMe[16:39:34] <PulkoMandy> (maybe easier to compare)[16:40:17] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy: Thanks![16:42:04] <BrunoSpre> If i try to boot haiku on an 64Bit system do I have to download the 64Bit nightly?[16:42:08] <Duggan> mmu_man I tried, I gave up :P[16:43:12] <Duggan> BrunoSpre that depends on if you have UEFI or not... I believe as long as you don't have UEFI you can boot the 32 bit system unless something has changed since I last tried[16:43:23] <Duggan> I have a UEFI system and with UEFI you have to boot 64 bit[16:43:28] <PulkoMandy> you can't boot any of the official builds with UEFI[16:43:48] <PulkoMandy> you can boot jessicah's version but not everything is merged for a smooth install of that yet[16:43:59] <PulkoMandy> and yes, any one of the builds should work[16:44:51] *** AD_MOS <AD_MOS!~JohnN@host-92-9-48-180.as43234.net> has joined #haiku[16:44:58] <Duggan> PulkoMandy thanks again for helping me out earlier :D I tried going to sleep but wasn't feeling well so I got back up and now I have the tree fully populating[16:45:32] <Duggan> a little buggy because some parts are backwards, but fully populating regardless :D[16:46:15] <Duggan> next step: new projects, adding/removing targets, groups, and files, then the fun part... compiling and all the fun setup mess that goes along with that...[16:46:27] <Duggan> and after that, I get to start the *really* fun stuff ;)[16:47:39] <PulkoMandy> I would recommend switching to BColumnListView rather than BOutlineListView if you can. BOutlineListView is a bag of traps[16:47:51] <Duggan> probably going to make it load source in Pe at first (sorry, Barrett, it's on my TODO list, but it'll have to wait a little bit)[16:48:15] <Duggan> PulkoMandy so is BColumnListView... PIT uses it and it's much less fun than BOutlineListView[16:50:31] <Duggan> there is a term not often used in programming anymore yet it still applies thoroughly to two parts of code in Haiku... spaghetti code... and it applies to the kernel and BColumnListView :P[16:51:09] <FreeFull> Barrett: Did you figure out why stuff was freezing for you?[16:51:17] <Barrett> no[16:57:50] <BrunoSpre> ah ok thanks I will try it[16:57:57] <mmu_man> https://twitter.com/lhirlimann/status/825714431287971840[16:58:01] *** BrunoSpre <BrunoSpre!~vision@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[17:01:32] <jessicah> PulkoMandy: you can boot official builds[17:01:50] <jessicah> you just need the loader, which isn't included in it[17:02:19] <Duggan> screenshot is up :D weeee![17:03:07] <Duggan> https://github.com/DeweyTaylor/CodePal/blob/master/CodePal001.png[17:04:45] <Duggan> and, yes, in case you're wondering, it will support multiple targets >:D[17:05:23] <Duggan> AND build profiles[17:07:13] <Duggan> and build profiles will be able to be set up for cross-compiling (at least that's the plan)[17:15:31] *** AD_MOS <AD_MOS!~JohnN@host-92-9-48-180.as43234.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[17:17:32] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!dario@190.55.159.232> has joined #haiku[17:17:58] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@apn-31-0-36-8.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[17:18:09] *** tojoko <tojoko!~tonio@p5B151DE6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[17:19:36] <Duggan> PulkoMandy ah I see what you're talking about... BOutlineListView isn't consistent where it adds items... I modified when I was adding groups and now they're more screwed up than they were haha[17:21:30] <Duggan> I guess it wasn't just a buggy quirk of Paladin's...[17:31:50] <PulkoMandy> it's consistant but no human brain can figure it out[17:32:02] <PulkoMandy> FullListItemAt vs ItemAt and other madness[17:33:52] <Duggan> PulkoMandy I found a way to make it insert in the right position... add the item at the top level then set it's outline level[17:34:06] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/0845c818b087...06b15fb79f5e[17:34:08] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson 06b15fb - bash: bump to 4.4.012.[17:34:09] <Duggan> ... except when you do that, the triangles don't show up and everything is expanded and can't be collapsed...[17:34:32] <PulkoMandy> AddItemUnder() should do the trick[17:34:47] <PulkoMandy> moving items or changing their levels can mess things up, I would suggest not doing that :)[17:36:16] <Duggan> you mean AddUnder()?[17:36:24] <Duggan> that's what I was using before when everything was backwards[17:36:47] <Duggan> I just swapped SetOutlineLevel() to be called before the item is added... the triangles are back but the order is messed up again[17:37:11] <Duggan> looks like I'm going to have to get into the custom control business :P[17:37:58] <PulkoMandy> or BColumnListView, but that's up to you :)[17:38:10] * Duggan shudders at the thought.[17:39:20] <Duggan> I'm not so sure columnlistview can do it so easily... you have to be able to cause one column to span multiple columns and, while I believe I've seen the code that lets you do that........ ugh...[17:39:45] <Duggan> not to mention expanding and collapsing and all that[17:40:21] <PulkoMandy> it does expanding and collapsing already[17:41:34] <PulkoMandy> not sure where we have an up to date example showing that however[17:41:58] <PulkoMandy> there's one in Slayer but it uses a super old incarnation of the column list view[17:42:07] <PulkoMandy> no one had time to update it yet[17:44:27] <Duggan> the header has reference to some thing called OutlineView...[17:46:07] <PulkoMandy> BColumnListView::AddRow takes a "parent" parameter[17:46:17] <PulkoMandy> and it handles everything on its own using that[17:50:19] <Duggan> PulkoMandy yeah, it's handled by OutlineView which is declared/defined in ColumnListView.cpp but apparently used all over the place[17:52:05] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[17:53:27] *** knarfy <knarfy!~knarf@143.252.82.79.rev.sfr.net> has joined #haiku[17:55:47] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[18:01:43] *** tojoko <tojoko!~tonio@p5B151DE6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:11:44] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[18:12:29] *** AD_MOS <AD_MOS!~JohnN@host-92-9-48-180.as43234.net> has joined #haiku[18:16:36] *** tojoko <tojoko!~tonio@p5B151DE6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[18:22:57] <Duggan> what a hassle... what have you done to me PulkoMandy!? :'([18:24:22] *** stakewinner00 <stakewinner00!~stakewinn@111.141.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es> has joined #haiku[18:26:49] *** AD_MOS <AD_MOS!~JohnN@host-92-9-48-180.as43234.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:27:12] *** AD_MOS <AD_MOS!~JohnN@host-92-9-48-180.as43234.net> has joined #haiku[18:38:54] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-085-008-103-120.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined #haiku[18:38:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[18:41:10] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-5.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[18:43:40] *** pvalue <pvalue!~m@178-37-32-185.adsl.inetia.pl> has joined #haiku[18:45:20] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-5.moscow.rt.ru> has joined #haiku[18:48:42] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4e35a60c.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[18:51:48] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9f356.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:53:39] *** js <js!~js@ip-95-222-169-90.hsi15.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[19:12:26] *** pvalue <pvalue!~m@178-37-32-185.adsl.inetia.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[19:21:01] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@150.237.94.36> has joined #haiku[19:21:44] *** knarfy <knarfy!~knarf@143.252.82.79.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:22:46] *** knarfy <knarfy!~knarf@143.252.82.79.rev.sfr.net> has joined #haiku[19:30:21] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!~vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[19:31:24] *** knarfy <knarfy!~knarf@143.252.82.79.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:32:09] *** knarfy <knarfy!~knarf@143.252.82.79.rev.sfr.net> has joined #haiku[19:33:29] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[19:36:28] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy: I read your recent ticket about BootMan. Currently I should avoid BootMan and I must use other bootloader on GPT?[19:36:49] <PulkoMandy> it is working for me[19:37:01] <PulkoMandy> I don't know if the sector it uses actually erases anything from GPT or not[19:37:21] <PulkoMandy> we'll have to wait on what jessicah thinks about it I think[19:37:39] <jessicah> I just saw your ticket[19:37:44] <jessicah> bootman overwrites the GPT header[19:38:02] <jessicah> it's only because GPT has a backup header that you didn't hose your partition tables[19:39:32] <Premislaus> jessicah: DriveSetup is defunct currently. I must ude other tool to create fat32 and BFS. Fat32 for EFI, then reboot to Haiku installer, mount EFI, and just create on EFI partition folder EFI, and copy to it Haiku loader?[19:39:37] <Premislaus> *use[19:39:49] <jessicah> drivesetup works fine for me[19:40:01] <jessicah> if you're talking about your USB disk, that's a separate issue[19:40:08] <Premislaus> On HDD works?[19:40:32] <Vidrep> Hi[19:41:18] <jessicah> Premislaus: sure[19:41:31] <Premislaus> :)[19:41:32] <jessicah> Premislaus: it's because the gpt header thinks your disk is smaller than it is[19:41:41] <jessicah> I will look into a fix[19:42:03] <jessicah> PulkoMandy: I just installed BootManager in my VM; it completely overwrites the GPT headers in entirety[19:42:24] <jessicah> so yeah, it's only because of backup headers that your system still works :p[19:42:32] <Vidrep> Last time I tried, bootman menu was empty. I was still able to boot my x86_64 partition using the installation CD.[19:42:32] <Premislaus> jessicah: Haiku installer creates EFI, or prompt about IT, or after installation I must perform something?[19:42:56] <Premislaus> jessicah: In that case I must avoid BootMan when I want dual bood with some *nix?[19:43:39] <jessicah> Vidrep: you'd have to install BootManager after formatting ALL partitions[19:43:55] <jessicah> if you format a partition after installing BootManager, it will overwrite bootmanager data[19:44:03] <Vidrep> It's been a couple of weeks since my last try.[19:44:05] <jessicah> bootmanager stores partitions to boot in sector 3[19:44:15] <jessicah> well, sector 2, if counting from 0[19:44:29] <jessicah> and the third sector is where GPT partition entries are stored[19:44:40] <Vidrep> Usually I install Haiku to the partitions first, then bootman after the last one is installed[19:44:54] <jessicah> you can run bootman a second time to reinstall[19:45:04] <jessicah> gpt will use the backup headers at the end of the disk[19:45:31] <Vidrep> I'll try again with a current nightly[19:45:57] <jessicah> anyway, bootman is basically broken with gpt[19:46:27] <Vidrep> OK, I'll wait for the fix :)[19:46:39] <Vidrep> ...if any is forthcoming[19:46:44] <jessicah> well, no, I mean, bootman is basically designed in a way that's incompatible with gpt[19:46:48] <jessicah> you _can_ use it[19:47:01] <jessicah> but any changes to partition tables will brick it, meaning you'll have to reinstall[19:47:27] <Vidrep> It was working somewhat before, then it stopped working last time I tried[19:48:27] <jessicah> that's because formatting now updates the boot entry[19:48:46] <jessicah> which means overwriting sector 3 that bootman uses for storing boot entries[19:49:19] <jessicah> reinstalling bootman will restore sector 3 for bootman purposes, and gpt will use backup headers[19:49:41] <jessicah> anyway, bootman is broken by design, IMO[19:49:47] <Vidrep> So, if I understand you correctly. I have to create all my GPT partitions first, install Haiku, then I can use bootman to boot each partition?[19:50:21] <jessicah> create all partitions, and format them (formatting will rewrite partition headers)[19:50:29] <jessicah> then you can use bootman, yes[19:50:50] <Vidrep> that's the way I was doing it[19:50:54] <jessicah> formatting in the past wouldn't rewrite partition headers, this is new behaviour[19:51:36] <jessicah> so if you format another partition later for installing to it, that will break bootman[19:51:37] <Vidrep> I'll try again and see if anything changed for better or worse[19:52:27] <Vidrep> Is anybody interested in taking a look at why Haiku's IPP doesn't work?[19:55:00] <jessicah> IPP?[19:58:55] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[19:59:15] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[19:59:36] <Premislaus> jessicah: I think he told about it - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Printing_Protocol[20:00:09] <Vidrep> Something not working on Vision[20:00:24] <Vidrep> Yeah, what Premislaus said[20:00:42] <Vidrep> We have it, but it does not work[20:01:24] <Vidrep> I was going to install previous alphas to see if it ever worked before[20:01:29] <Premislaus> Vidrep: This is a feature. You are complaining about Haiku on IRC, then Vision disconnects you.[20:01:43] <Vidrep> LOL[20:03:02] <Premislaus> Vidrep: I think this is that Duggan AI. After his BFS Data Corruption... IS FREE![20:04:04] <Vidrep> I'll try Alpha 4 to see if it may have worked back then[20:04:08] <Vidrep> bbl[20:04:11] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[20:04:11] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:05:18] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: ok, sounds like BootManager app should complain loudly when trying to install on a GPT disk then[20:05:40] <PulkoMandy> what are possible replacement? My knowledge of bootloaders seems to be mostly old stuff that won't support GPT[20:06:20] <PulkoMandy> can any of rETIt/rEFInd/clover/... be of some help? Can they boot in BIOS mode?[20:06:34] <PulkoMandy> (I would switch to UEFI but I think that means reinstalling windows too…)[20:09:18] <jessicah> they can boot in bios mode if your firmware supports it[20:09:39] <jessicah> I've used refind for that in the past[20:09:56] <PulkoMandy> so it would be: boot in EFI mode, load bootloader, drop back to BIOS mode to boot the OS?[20:10:32] <jessicah> yeah[20:10:35] <jessicah> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/apps/bootmanager/LegacyBootMenu.cpp#n311[20:10:42] <jessicah> looks like it tries to check for space[20:10:51] <jessicah> unfortunately, that doesn't take GPT into account :([20:11:04] <PulkoMandy> yes, it just cheks partition offsets[20:11:11] <PulkoMandy> well this code is old. GPT didn't even exist :)[20:11:25] <jessicah> yeah[20:11:37] <jessicah> there is also http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/apps/bootmanager/LegacyBootMenu.cpp#n665 which checks the MBR signature[20:11:59] <PulkoMandy> doing things cleanly probably requires asking the partitionning system which ranges it uses for its own book keeping?[20:12:05] <jessicah> maybe this check could be modified to detect a protective mbr; but this wouldn't work on systems that use the hybrid mbr hack[20:12:23] <jessicah> I don't think partitioning systems even do that[20:12:45] <PulkoMandy> yes, I mean we would need to add that[20:12:58] *** chomar <chomar!uid208546@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-epxisuzuxcermabf> has joined #haiku[20:14:15] <PulkoMandy> we could even move bootman further on the drive so it is after the GPT stuff then[20:14:19] *** js <js!~js@ip-95-222-169-90.hsi15.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #haiku[20:14:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o js[20:14:51] <PulkoMandy> or just do it the right way and put it in the EFI FAT partition, even for BIOS systems?[20:15:27] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy: GRUB2 works in that manner.[20:16:08] *** BrunoSpre <BrunoSpre!~vision@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[20:16:48] <jessicah> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/apps/bootmanager/LegacyBootMenu.cpp#n188 < can probably add a check here[20:17:04] <jessicah> e.g. set fFirstOffset for GPT disks[20:18:27] <jessicah> I would just not use bootman[20:18:35] <jessicah> :p[20:19:11] <jessicah> given gpt has backup headers, it will work, you just gotta expect it to break if you change anything :p[20:19:39] <jessicah> if you need a bootmanager on gpt disks, you should use grub2 or refind[20:19:54] *** knarfy <knarfy!~knarf@143.252.82.79.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[20:20:36] <PulkoMandy> I don't really want to get into installing GRUB2 without a Linux around it[20:20:38] <BrunoSpre> sorry I dont know how to get my multiprocessors on sandybridge to work[20:20:42] <PulkoMandy> will look into refind[20:20:56] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[20:21:04] <PulkoMandy> BrunoSpre: it works out of the box here (and for many other persons) so it must be something specific to your hardware[20:21:07] <PulkoMandy> or BIOS[20:21:08] <jessicah> I just use my firmware's builtin boot menu[20:21:15] <Vidrep> IPP not working on Alpha 4 either[20:21:16] <BrunoSpre> yes I know[20:21:17] <jessicah> but I guess not all firmware has good boot menu support[20:21:28] <BrunoSpre> it was working long time ago[20:21:32] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: there is one, but I don't think I can boot specific partitions directly[20:21:34] <BrunoSpre> maybe a year or so[20:21:36] <PulkoMandy> only select which drive[20:21:43] <BrunoSpre> what can I do now?[20:21:53] <BrunoSpre> 64Bit Version wont boot at all[20:22:03] <jessicah> BrunoSpre: uh, would find which revision broke boot support[20:22:14] <PulkoMandy> BrunoSpre: be patient and wait for someone who knows about these things to look in your ticket, I think[20:22:17] <BrunoSpre> I remember I saw my 5 cores[20:22:27] <jessicah> so like install old version that knows works, then slowly go through newer revisions until it breaks...[20:22:38] <BrunoSpre> yes I will wait...[20:22:59] <BrunoSpre> It was long ago ... maybe one or two years![20:23:02] <BrunoSpre> for sure[20:23:13] *** lezsakdomi <lezsakdomi!~led@540354BE.catv.pool.telekom.hu> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:23:13] <jessicah> PulkoMandy: but yeah, seems bootman relies on created partitions being aligned on some boundary so that there's space available :p[20:24:28] <BrunoSpre> my board was! supported and worked... the mobo is 4years old by now[20:25:02] <BrunoSpre> ok thanks for now... will have to wait and look at the hardware...[20:35:30] <Vidrep> Good to see jessicah and PulkoMandy working out the EFI boot issues[20:35:35] *** Shearer <Shearer!~shearer@net-93-144-146-186.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[20:36:00] <Vidrep> I'll bug out and leave my issues for another day :)[20:36:09] <Shearer> the development of haiku is still in progress or in stopped?[20:36:21] <Vidrep> Good luck guys (and gal)[20:36:57] <Vidrep> Shearer, it's still going[20:37:20] <Vidrep> Shearer, were getting ready to release Beta 1 soon[20:37:59] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[20:38:55] <tojoko> hej there[20:39:21] <PulkoMandy> BrunoSpre: wait... 5 cores? not 4 or 8? sounds a bit unusual, what's your setup?[20:39:55] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy: I think this is a typo.[20:40:11] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: I see rEFIt is BSD licensed, but rEFInd switched to GPL3…[20:40:27] <PulkoMandy> well, I guess we could include it as our default boot loader for GPT + UEFI anyway[20:40:42] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy: Hid i5 2500k has 4-cores, without HT.[20:41:19] <Premislaus> *His[20:41:21] <PulkoMandy> still I don't see a way for BIOS+GPT. And all bootloaders are GPL licenced, not to mention annoying to compile and develop for[20:41:35] <PulkoMandy> (I don't write x86 ASM, and I don't have Open Watcom or Borland C on my machines)[20:43:43] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[20:43:54] <BrunoSpre> I us a EFI BIOS[20:44:17] <BrunoSpre> I have a EFI BIOS Board[20:45:12] <BrunoSpre> oh yes sorry 4 cores[20:46:04] <Diver> BrunoSpre: what you could do is to try to narrow down which revision broke smp on your setup, you need to find a working one here http://download.haiku-os.org/nightly-images/x86_gcc2_hybrid/ and work from there[20:47:11] <BrunoSpre> But I have no intel HT support[20:47:15] <PulkoMandy> yes, knowing that could be useful, so we know when it stopped working for you[20:47:55] <BrunoSpre> It was long time ago... 1 or 2 years for sure... if not 4[20:48:20] <BrunoSpre> because that time I bought the mobo I tested Haiku then... and it was working...[20:49:18] <PulkoMandy> as Diver said, test some old versions and try to find the last one that works[20:49:33] <BrunoSpre> ohje...[20:49:34] <PulkoMandy> it will give us a starting point to look in the code, what changes could cause the problem[20:49:57] <Diver> well, according to commit log http://www.freelists.org/archive/haiku-commits/12-2014 two years ago Haiku was at hrev48xxx[20:50:12] <BrunoSpre> that time I think mmlr dropped the multiprocessor support and rewrote the code...[20:51:45] <Diver> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/src/system/kernel not sure I see it here[20:52:58] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@tmo-109-98.customers.d1-online.com> has joined #haiku[20:53:26] <jua_> can't remember such a thing either in the past 2 years[20:53:37] *** HaikuUser3 <HaikuUser3!~vision@51.39.98.243> has joined #haiku[20:53:53] *** HaikuUser3 <HaikuUser3!~vision@51.39.98.243> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:55:57] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@tmo-109-98.customers.d1-online.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:56:40] <BrunoSpre> As I told before... I cannot remember the exact date, time and person[20:56:46] <BrunoSpre> sorry[20:57:15] *** webmatze <webmatze!~webmatze@tmo-109-98.customers.d1-online.com> has joined #haiku[20:58:38] <jessicah> PulkoMandy: mm, yeah, I dunno[20:58:44] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[20:58:48] <jessicah> haiku's mbr boot code works with gpt[20:58:54] <jessicah> but that doesn't give you a boot menu[20:59:06] *** KapiX <KapiX!~kacper@89-65-138-76.dynamic.chello.pl> has joined #haiku[20:59:47] <jessicah> PulkoMandy: I think you could just continue using bootman with the caveat that changes to partitioning, including formatting, requires reinstalling bootman[21:00:08] <jessicah> could maybe detect that it's GPT, and give this warning to users[21:01:44] *** Shearer <Shearer!~shearer@net-93-144-146-186.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:06:36] *** BrunoSpre <BrunoSpre!~vision@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[21:15:45] <axeld> Diver: the only bigger thing that happened "recently" in the kernel was the replacement of the CPU scheduler[21:16:31] <Diver> yeah, I remember that. Could that be the cause tho?[21:18:26] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[21:19:23] <Vidrep> I installed Alpha 4, 3, 2 on another partition and IPP is working on Alpha 2[21:19:43] <Vidrep> So, something broke there between Alpha 2 and Alpha 3[21:20:40] <jua_> ipp?[21:22:26] <Vidrep> Look in print/transports[21:22:55] <jua_> ah, that stuff[21:22:55] <Vidrep> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Printing_Protocol[21:23:24] <Vidrep> In Alpha 2, the user is able to enter the URL manually - and it works[21:23:45] <Vidrep> That ability is gone in Alpha 3 and later[21:24:24] <Vidrep> I assume that it is now trying to autodetect the URL and fails[21:25:07] <Vidrep> This is not a enhancement, but a regression (an old one at that)[21:25:34] <Vidrep> Anyway, I mention it fyi[21:27:35] *** petterhj <petterhj!~Petter@cm-84.209.150.30.getinternet.no> has joined #haiku[21:27:37] <kaiser> is haiku > linux[21:27:44] <Premislaus> What is a difference between pkgman update and pkgman full-sync? Both updates system.[21:29:19] <Vidrep> Premislaus, pkgman update will only update core systems[21:30:28] <Vidrep> Premislaus, pkgman full-sync will full sync with the official repo. Your home brew packages will be downgraded to whats in the repo[21:31:25] <Premislaus> Vidrep: Thanks![21:33:19] <kaiser> haiku is better then linux[21:33:21] <kaiser> ?[21:33:26] <Vidrep> One the repo "catches up" to what you've built in haikuporter, it will then replace your stuff with official builds[21:33:32] <Vidrep> Once[21:34:22] <jessicah> kaiser: depends on your definition of better :p[21:34:28] <Vidrep> kaiser, better? I don't know how you define "better".[21:34:38] <Vidrep> less complex for sure[21:34:49] <kaiser> q[21:34:57] <kaiser> ah[21:35:13] <Premislaus> Haiku is like nerdy girl. Is nice to hang with her.[21:35:35] <KapiX> Premislaus that sounds bad :D[21:36:01] *** juafromspace <juafromspace!~jua@xdsl-89-0-226-153.netcologne.de> has joined #haiku[21:36:05] <Vidrep> I hope when it's "finished" it will be much better (high hopes indeed)[21:37:03] <Premislaus> KapiX: No, no, not suicide - http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/hang+with[21:37:50] <KapiX> Premislaus ok, I was pretty sure the phrase was "hang OUT with"[21:38:08] * Premislaus nuances[21:39:05] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-85-197-17-217.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:39:46] *** juafromspace is now known as jua_[21:39:52] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: I wonder if we could install bootman to a partition PBR and chainload it from an mbr? Because I'm not even sure how the boot code from writembr decides which partition to boot. There is no "active" flag in GPT, right?[21:40:45] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[21:40:46] *** savant_d <savant_d!~savant@178.162.117.40> has joined #haiku[21:41:58] <PulkoMandy> mh…[21:42:14] * PulkoMandy notices there was no commit since last haikuwebkit release[21:42:22] <PulkoMandy> well, new release with just 1 commit it is then[21:44:16] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[21:47:03] <KapiX> PulkoMandy speaking about Web(.*): https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13238#comment:2[21:47:19] <PulkoMandy> applying as we speak :)[21:47:27] <KapiX> great :)[21:47:29] <jessicah> PulkoMandy: for GPT partitions, it boots first partition with the BFS UUID[21:47:56] <jessicah> for MBR, it should work as it did previously[21:48:39] <PulkoMandy> yes[21:49:15] <PulkoMandy> so I can't decide which partition it boots at all[21:49:42] *** phcoder <phcoder!~phcoder@127.223.194.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:50:10] *** webmatze <webmatze!~webmatze@tmo-109-98.customers.d1-online.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[21:50:54] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, try booting your GPT partitions with an installation CD - only 64 bit is able to do it (last time I tried)[21:51:23] <jessicah> PulkoMandy: no, not really[21:51:52] <jessicah> you could DiskProbe the GPT and change UUID of BFS partitions before the one you want to boot :p[21:52:21] *** phcoder <phcoder!~phcoder@2a02:120b:2c2d:f7f0:208:9bff:fec0:435e> has joined #haiku[21:53:27] <jessicah> but you can just use the haiku boot menu to manually boot partitions you want[21:54:05] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev50910 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=c7fabe22b4ed+%5E99dde24c8669[21:54:06] <HAIKU-irker458> c7fabe22b4ed: ControlLook: Fix redraw issues introduced in hrev50893.[21:59:59] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-194-178.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #haiku[22:09:48] *** AD_MOS <AD_MOS!~JohnN@host-92-9-48-180.as43234.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:12:25] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:16:33] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[22:23:36] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rgbxyjvercrpqmuf> has quit IRC (Changing host)[22:23:36] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@unaffiliated/whilhelm> has joined #haiku[22:23:36] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@unaffiliated/whilhelm> has quit IRC (Changing host)[22:23:36] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rgbxyjvercrpqmuf> has joined #haiku[22:40:06] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[22:40:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[22:45:48] *** chomar <chomar!uid208546@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-epxisuzuxcermabf> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[22:48:40] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!dario@190.55.159.232> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:48:44] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev50911 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=aa3083e086e5+%5Ec7fabe22b4ed[22:48:45] <HAIKU-irker458> aa3083e086e5: Style fixes to various parts of the system.[23:07:24] *** savant_d <savant_d!~savant@178.162.117.40> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[23:19:30] *** chomar <chomar!uid208546@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-esmqjigdemdfvjdl> has joined #haiku[23:29:33] *** AD_MOS <AD_MOS!~JohnN@5ec30d96.skybroadband.com> has joined #haiku[23:37:04] *** oco2 <oco2!~haiku@brs60-1-88-125-140-2.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[23:46:18] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-89-0-226-153.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Quit: bai)[23:53:09] *** chomar is now known as ChomAr[23:53:30] *** ChomAr <ChomAr!uid208546@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-esmqjigdemdfvjdl> has quit IRC ()[23:53:40] *** ChomAr <ChomAr!uid208546@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jooiuaqnyeuglxgh> has joined #haiku[23:54:50] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-194-178.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[23:56:12] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:56:38] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-103-194.toya.net.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)