January 26, 2017 
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January 26, 2017 [00:00:09] *** APT69 <APT69!~APT69@108.61.226.23> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:10:16] *** hecliunyx <hecliunyx!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[00:13:22] *** stakewinner00 <stakewinner00!~stakewinn@190.143.19.95.dynamic.jazztel.es> has quit IRC ()[00:14:41] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[00:17:52] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-89-0-232-206.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Quit: bai)[00:19:13] *** hecliunyx <hecliunyx!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org> has joined #haiku[00:31:40] <ignacio> cooooooooooooooooooolors[00:31:42] * ignacio d[00:31:48] * ignacio disappears D::[00:41:52] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: I need sleep)[00:43:11] *** amuck <amuck!~amuck@2001:19f0:8001:13b:5400:ff:fe3f:cad9> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[00:44:29] *** amuck 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(Remote host closed the connection)[01:27:55] *** johnblood <johnblood!~johnblood@ppp-69-214-0-33.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net> has joined #haiku[01:28:11] <johnblood> howdy[01:33:22] <Duggan> greetings[01:40:14] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!xemdetia@nat/ibm/x-kjoymdkatjeipsid> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[01:40:17] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9e66d.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[01:42:11] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9e45b.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[01:46:31] <johnblood> I've been thinking of installing Hiku but I'm worried that there is not community[01:49:20] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9e45b.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[01:49:58] *** ADS_Sr_ <ADS_Sr_!~ADS_Sr@cpe-173-175-17-54.hot.res.rr.com> has joined #haiku[01:50:20] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a7ff.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[01:51:11] *** ADS_Sr <ADS_Sr!~ADS_Sr@cpe-173-175-17-54.hot.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[01:51:12] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:51:13] *** ADS_Sr_ is now known as ADS_Sr[01:51:48] <johnblood> I'm asking why pick Haiku over Linux?[01:53:55] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[02:03:46] *** AD_MOS <AD_MOS!~JohnN@5ec30d96.skybroadband.com> has joined #haiku[02:07:56] <Duggan> there's a community... it's not as big as Linux, but there's definitely a community[02:08:30] <Duggan> you don't necessarily have to pick one over the other, most people around here have both, but the reason Haiku exists is because of the community that formed around BeOS[02:09:09] <Duggan> we have a shell for those that can't live without one, but Haiku is inherantly a graphical operating system[02:09:17] <Duggan> the api is completely object oriented[02:09:33] <Duggan> johnblood^[02:13:00] <mmu_man> miqlas: nice![02:13:58] <johnblood> K[02:15:08] <AD_MOS> having fun trying to get a USB stick to boot... finally got past the "PANIC: did not find any boot partitions!"... had to stick the stick in the only non-usb3 socket... now I just get a black screen :( trying a different nightly build[02:16:02] <Duggan> some people choose to run it in a VM, I run it on bare metal. the BeOS was designed to be a multimedia desktop operating system and some commercial software is still used for that purpose on the BeOS, even today. that's why we have a gcc2 build is to enable binary compatibility with legacy software to support those systems, but we also have more up to date alternatives[02:16:39] <Duggan> AD_MOS does your machine have EFI?[02:18:24] *** _Dario <_Dario!vision@181.46.221.218> has joined #haiku[02:18:38] <AD_MOS> probably not[02:18:52] <AD_MOS> old i3 1st dell[02:19:04] <Duggan> oh ok... efi is a bit more of an involved process[02:19:12] <AD_MOS> 1st gen i3*[02:20:02] <Duggan> try disabling USB3 in your bios settings[02:20:58] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4db9d4bc.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[02:21:21] <Duggan> if that doesn't help, hold shift to go to the boot options and try blacklisting the media_server[02:21:44] <Duggan> that's about all I can tell you at this point... someone else can probably be of more assistance[02:22:54] <AD_MOS> thanx for trying :) I'll try the shift thing after this image has downloaded... if it still doesn't work I'll burn the older image and try again[02:23:35] <AD_MOS> might try on the old dual core I got kicking around[02:23:37] <Duggan> no problem... if shift doesn't work, try space... any other time I'd know exactly which one but I'm having a brain fart right now and different documents apparently say different buttons lol maybe they both work[02:24:00] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a7ff.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[02:25:28] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4db9d4bc.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[02:27:02] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:27:02] <AD_MOS> ok off to try this again... hopefully won't be back for a bit[02:27:07] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9eb77.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[02:27:11] <johnblood> Anyone have expierence getting Haiku running on a Dell D630?[02:27:45] <AD_MOS> got experience of it not running on a dell e5430 :)[02:27:47] <Duggan> I have experience getting it running on quite a few things, not that one in particular necessarily though[02:28:13] *** AD_MOS <AD_MOS!~JohnN@5ec30d96.skybroadband.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[02:29:25] *** _Dario <_Dario!vision@181.46.221.218> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[02:34:11] <Duggan> johnblood if you have a standard bios, just dd an anyboot image to a USB stick and boot from that, if you have UEFI, the process is a bit more involved[02:35:02] *** AD_MOS <AD_MOS!~JohnN@5ec30d96.skybroadband.com> has joined #haiku[02:35:09] *** _Dario <_Dario!vision@181.46.221.218> has joined #haiku[02:35:09] <AD_MOS> :([02:35:42] <AD_MOS> works no probs on the old Pentium machine though :)[02:36:40] <Duggan> AD_MOS you disabled USB3 in the bios and blacklisted the media_server and it still won't work?[02:37:36] <AD_MOS> held shift no options came up[02:37:41] <Duggan> try space[02:37:46] <Duggan> and make sure you press it early[02:37:50] <Duggan> and hold it down[02:39:48] <AD_MOS> got the menu up on the other machine no probs musta been too slow on this machine[02:40:44] <AD_MOS> media_server and/or media_addon_server ?[02:44:00] <AD_MOS> one more try on here... at least I know I can have a play using the old pentium machine ( https://www.cnet.com/products/hp-g5010em-15-4-pentium-t2130-vista-home-premium-1-gb-ram-120-gb-hdd/specs/ )[02:48:40] <AD_MOS> and it won't play nice with the BCM wifi and the machine won't boot with a non-whitelisted card in... thanks HP :([02:50:47] <Duggan> AD_MOS I think it's just media_server, but you can blackslist both I'm sure[02:51:05] *** HAIKU-Buildbot <HAIKU-Buildbot!~HAIKU-Bui@baron.haiku-os.org> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[02:51:21] *** HAIKU-Buildbot <HAIKU-Buildbot!~HAIKU-Bui@baron.haiku-os.org> has joined #haiku[02:51:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v HAIKU-Buildbot[02:52:34] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xqmqwsfwyxqwwfvm> has joined #haiku[02:52:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[02:52:47] <Duggan> hejsan waddlesplash[02:52:51] <waddlesplash> hai[02:54:49] *** AD_MOS <AD_MOS!~JohnN@5ec30d96.skybroadband.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[02:58:47] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4db9d3dc.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[03:00:10] *** HaikuUser3 <HaikuUser3!~vision@vir91-7-88-163-35-222.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[03:00:49] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9eb77.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[03:04:17] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/7938690b16e2...a2752859bb1f[03:04:19] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash a275285 - scripts/build_for_deploy.sh: Switch to using a git checkout of Haiku.[03:04:22] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4db9d3dc.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[03:04:24] * waddlesplash hopes that doesn't explode in his face[03:05:55] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a7a8.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[03:08:53] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/a2752859bb1f...c0a22a2ffdd0[03:08:54] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash c0a22a2 - scripts/build_for_deploy.sh: Fixup previous commit.[03:09:01] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a7a8.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[03:12:53] *** AD_MOS <AD_MOS!~JohnN@5ec30d96.skybroadband.com> has joined #haiku[03:13:38] <AD_MOS> got the menu up... shift didn't work only space... still no dice :([03:14:52] <AD_MOS> need to see if I can get it to play nice with the BCM4311... IIRC most of the linux distros I tried didn't like it...[03:16:26] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9e5f1.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[03:17:06] <AD_MOS> Non-Supported Hardware[03:17:06] <AD_MOS> The following Broadcom 43xx devices:[03:17:06] <AD_MOS> bcm4311: vendor 14e4, device 4311[03:17:06] <AD_MOS> bcm4312: vendor 14e4, device 4315[03:17:12] <AD_MOS> oh fudge[03:20:21] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-159-177-126.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:20:24] *** skbot351 <skbot351!~soakbot@ec2-54-159-177-126.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[03:20:26] *** skbot351 is now known as skbot3511[03:22:54] <Duggan> AD_MOS it fails due to lack of support for a network card?[03:23:06] <Duggan> I didn't look at what that device is yet, so forgive if I'm mistaken[03:23:21] <AD_MOS> nah this is the machine it boots on...[03:23:41] <Duggan> oh ok[03:23:57] <Duggan> if it makes you feel any better, the HDA driver doesn't support my hardware so I don't even have sound lol[03:24:10] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/c0a22a2ffdd0...87fdcc6f0c52[03:24:11] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 87fdcc6 - build_for_deploy.sh: Add API docs to the site.[03:24:24] <Duggan> having fun, waddlesplash?[03:24:29] <waddlesplash> mmhmm[03:24:34] <Duggan> lol[03:25:34] *** johnblood <johnblood!~johnblood@ppp-69-214-0-33.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[03:25:37] <AD_MOS> won't boot on my main laptop, just black screens & the old dual core Pentium machine it boots on seems to have an unsupported wifi card... which I can't change cos the machine won't boot with a non-whitelisted wifi card... :([03:26:53] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/87fdcc6f0c52...6d924672b484[03:26:54] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 6d92467 - build_for_deploy.sh: Fixup previous commit.[03:29:19] *** AndrewZ <AndrewZ!6202ca5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.2.202.90> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[03:29:35] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9e5f1.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[03:29:57] <Duggan> AD_MOS try enabling on screen debug output[03:31:39] <Duggan> may need failsafe video drivers or something[03:31:42] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9e37f.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[03:32:05] <AD_MOS> debug output went black when I tried it[03:32:33] <AD_MOS> no errors on the page before it went black[03:32:56] <Duggan> hrm... yeah, try the failsafe video drivers... that's about all I have left[03:34:01] <AD_MOS> and it doesn't like the wifi on the 3rd laptop I tried...[03:37:42] <Duggan> AD_MOS if you have another machine it boots on, mount the BFS partition on the stick you're using and check out the syslogs to see if there's anything there that might indicate the problem... other than that, it's serial debugging or nothing[03:41:16] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 3 commits to master [+13/-11/±2] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/6d924672b484...ff593f9e3c8d[03:41:18] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 2bcf138 - kvm: Move images to the proper location and fix the links to them.[03:41:19] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 63edd6c - _redirects: /docs/HIG -> /docs/HIG/index.xml.[03:41:21] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash ff593f9 - images: Add the two missing images that the Haiku Book needs.[03:42:34] <waddlesplash> ok everybody, here comes the big one[03:43:32] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[03:46:10] <Duggan> czesc Premislaus[03:46:39] <Premislaus> Duggan: Dobry wieczór Duggan :).[03:47:47] <Duggan> oh hej is Polish too lol[03:48:12] <AD_MOS> FFS the lenovo laptop pulls the same crap with the non-whitelisted wifi card[03:48:15] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev50902 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=8d38dd18f1d2+%5E11ed4f9fa1a3[03:48:16] <HAIKU-irker458> 8d38dd18f1d2: docs/user: Updates for Doxygen 1.8.[03:49:48] <Duggan> oh hahahahaha "dobry wieczor" is pronounced about the same as good evening in Russian...[03:50:06] <Duggan> oi a lot of the pronunciations are[03:50:14] * waddlesplash heads off to disable the cronjob on api.haiku-os.org[03:50:25] <Duggan> have fun pulling the plug, waddlesplash[03:51:15] <Duggan> Premislaus nie mowie po polsku :P[03:52:07] <Premislaus> Duggan: Nie szkodzi. Znajdę dla Ciebie polski odpowiednik Reddit i Urban Dictionary. One minute![03:53:15] <Premislaus> Duggan: Polish Digg - http://www.wykop.pl/ - I don't like this site. Polish Urban Dictionary - http://www.miejski.pl/[03:54:15] <Duggan> wikibooks must be wrong, apparently you didn't understand what I said :P[03:54:25] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9e37f.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[03:54:47] <Premislaus> Duggan: I understand and this is correct sentence - "I do not talk in Polish".[03:55:03] <Duggan> then why the hell are you talking to me in Polish? lol[03:55:36] <Premislaus> Duggan: I learn you Polish, and you learn mi C++.[03:56:06] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9f503.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[03:56:06] <Premislaus> *me[03:56:18] <Duggan> lol I told you yesterday :P you have to write code to learn... start writing code and as you need help with things, I'll help you, but I can't sit here and tell you what to type in all the time[03:57:27] <Premislaus> Duggan: We can code together - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9aLiv5M6AQ ![03:59:02] <Premislaus> Duggan: I like you, talk with you, ane I'm alone.[04:09:36] <Duggan> yeah, but you have to write code to learn it, I am adamant about that[04:10:59] <waddlesplash> ok, 28 minutes till next git sync[04:11:17] <waddlesplash> so, api.haiku-os.org has 28 minutes to live. :D[04:13:05] <Premislaus> #include <iostream.h>[04:13:06] <Premislaus> #include <conio.h>[04:13:06] <Premislaus>[04:13:07] <Premislaus> int main[04:13:08] <Premislaus> {[04:13:08] <Premislaus> cout<<"Hello Duggan!";[04:13:09] <Premislaus> getch();[04:13:09] <Premislaus>[04:13:10] <Premislaus> return 0;[04:13:11] <Premislaus> }[04:13:53] <Premislaus> *int maint()[04:13:57] <Premislaus> *main[04:14:31] <FlyingJester> ;_;[04:14:33] <FlyingJester> conio and iostream[04:15:06] <FlyingJester> puts() and getchar() is best.[04:15:19] <Premislaus> What the heck! "1.cpp:1:22: fatal error: iostream.h: No such file or directory compilation terminated."[04:15:28] <FlyingJester> (And to be really pedantic, you can't rely on 0 meaning success, there are EXIT_SUCCESS and EXIT_FAILURE)[04:15:32] <FlyingJester> No .h for that, I think.[04:15:34] <FlyingJester> Just iostream[04:15:53] <FlyingJester> But I'm 99% sure that conio.h is a super outdated and non-portable header.[04:15:54] <Premislaus> FlyingJester I have old book. This work on Windows, some time ago.[04:16:14] <Premislaus> FlyingJester I know this conio.h from help, from old DOS compiler.[04:16:54] <FlyingJester> Ah, that makes sense. iostreams were always out of sync with the rest of the STL.[04:18:14] <Premislaus> FlyingJester I really need FreePascal with Haiku API bindings. I don't like this changes in compilers and languages.[04:18:54] <FlyingJester> Well, if you wrote some C bindings, then a lot of other languages would be very close to working already.[04:21:35] <waddlesplash> there were some[04:21:38] <waddlesplash> once upon a time[04:21:48] <Duggan> Premislaus try <iostream>[04:22:44] <FlyingJester> I wrote a tiny amount because I wanted to call from Java via JNI, then got sad about move semantics, and stopped.[04:22:48] <Duggan> and you probably don't want to spam code in the channel either :P[04:22:53] <waddlesplash> FlyingJester: http://github.com/darkwyrm/libcharlemagne[04:23:24] <waddlesplash> FlyingJester: also https://github.com/HaikuArchives/HaikuLanguageBindings and https://github.com/HaikuArchives/Habid[04:23:27] <FlyingJester> Eww, what language is that?[04:23:46] <waddlesplash> FlyingJester: what?[04:23:50] <FlyingJester> The first one.[04:23:54] <FlyingJester> pld?[04:23:59] *** FlyingJester <FlyingJester!~Kashyyyk@2602:306:31c4:2820::3e9> has left #haiku[04:24:01] <waddlesplash> Paladin project file[04:24:02] <waddlesplash> ...[04:24:07] *** FlyingJester <FlyingJester!~Kashyyyk@2602:306:31c4:2820::3e9> has joined #haiku[04:24:09] <waddlesplash> lol[04:24:15] <waddlesplash> FlyingJester: it's a Paladin project file[04:24:23] <FlyingJester> Huh.[04:24:25] <waddlesplash> that's the IDE DarkWyrm was working on[04:24:28] <waddlesplash> it's not that great imo[04:24:36] <FlyingJester> Yeah, I remember seeing it in the nightlies.[04:24:45] <FlyingJester> And then I just used Pe and SCons instead.[04:24:53] <Duggan> waddlesplash it's not that great, but it's what we have[04:25:04] <waddlesplash> Duggan: I just use Pe and a terminal[04:25:12] <Duggan> (having the Project menu in PalEdit is what made it vastly superior to Pe)[04:25:12] <waddlesplash> I ported Qt Creator but it behaves oddly[04:25:18] <waddlesplash> too much filesystem lag[04:25:25] <FlyingJester> Habid looks interesting, although it's lacking the classes I wanted (mostly BWindow and some audio stuff).[04:25:33] <Duggan> so if anybody wants to port PalEdit to x86_64, I would be highly appreciative :D[04:25:54] <FlyingJester> I don't much like project files.[04:25:59] <waddlesplash> FlyingJester: yeah, Habid seemed like the most promising one[04:26:14] <FlyingJester> If it's too hard to remember where a file lives, then your directory structure needs more work.[04:26:23] <Premislaus> Duggan: http://i64.tinypic.com/124igye.png[04:26:29] <Premislaus> This works:[04:26:35] <waddlesplash> FlyingJester: unless this is the haiku tree with 37k files[04:26:49] <FlyingJester> They shouldn't all be in the same directory though.[04:26:51] <Duggan> FlyingJester I'd rather not have to manually create a makefile for any project I write... I'd just assume let some other program take care of all that for me[04:27:01] <waddlesplash> well of course not[04:27:30] <Duggan> Premislaus good, now make it say it 3 times in a loop :P[04:27:43] <FlyingJester> Duggan: Sure, that's why when things become complex I use SCons for some parts.[04:27:46] <Premislaus> http://pastebin.com/Zk96GYr5[04:28:09] <Premislaus> Why my old book do not has "using namespace std;[04:28:11] <Premislaus> "[04:28:11] <FlyingJester> Probably want to add a \n to the string...[04:28:20] <Premislaus> and why always has returno 0;??[04:28:36] <FlyingJester> You actually don't need to return from main(), it's special like that.[04:28:57] <Duggan> Premislaus usually returning anything but 0 means there was an error[04:29:12] <FlyingJester> EXIT_SUCCESS is better, though. 0 doesn't necessarily mean success.[04:29:18] <Duggan> FlyingJester if gcc complains that main isn't a void, I'd suggest returning from it[04:29:30] <Duggan> FlyingJester not necessarily, but usually it does[04:29:39] <FlyingJester> Duggan: It's in the spec that you don't need to return from main().[04:29:54] <FlyingJester> No explicit return equals success.[04:29:56] <Duggan> FlyingJester it's a function and he's learning, so let him try to learn things the right way[04:30:06] <Duggan> it's good form to return from a function[04:30:29] <FlyingJester> Yes, I agree. He asked specifically about returning from main though, and that's a special case.[04:30:50] <Duggan> he asked about the 0 value specifically[04:31:06] <FlyingJester> Ah...yeah, I probably read that too fast.[04:32:31] <Duggan> Premislaus your old book may predate the 98 standard which would explain why it doesn't have "using namespace std;" or the author was just a sadomasochistic asshole that wants you to preface everything with "std::"[04:33:04] <FlyingJester> That's a little harsh. Some people prefer not to do using namespaces for std functions.[04:33:06] <FlyingJester> Like me.[04:33:21] <Duggan> truth hurts? :P[04:33:23] *** lukky513 <lukky513!~lukky513@elbereth.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[04:33:35] <FlyingJester> Many std things have really generic names, like string, function, pair, next, etc.[04:33:55] <FlyingJester> I'd rather do "using std::iostream" for instance, if I notice I'm using a symbol a lot.[04:34:19] *** lukky513 <lukky513!~lukky513@elbereth.pl> has joined #haiku[04:34:25] <FlyingJester> (Coincidentally, I'm not happy with unistd.h for stealing open, close, read, write, etc without any prefixing)[04:34:32] <Duggan> using things in the std namespace is ubiquitous enough that requiring the std:: preface only makes the source less readable[04:45:19] <AD_MOS> System halt: out of jack :([04:46:17] *** Muzer <Muzer!~muzer@tim32.org> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[04:46:41] *** _Dario <_Dario!vision@181.46.221.218> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[04:48:00] <Duggan> huh?[04:48:22] <Duggan> oh... joke.... haha.... jack's nasty[04:52:42] <AD_MOS> had to switch to gentleman jack... bit smoother but I don't have any ice cubes left so I'm having with coke which bit... wrong...[04:53:33] <Duggan> anything to hide the nasty bourbon flavour... bleach probably goes well with it[04:53:58] <AD_MOS> heathen![04:54:40] <Duggan> hehehe... considering I'm a Scotch drinker myself, I'd say of the two of us, I'm the more civilised :P[04:55:28] *** HaikuUser3 <HaikuUser3!~vision@173-30-4-221.client.mchsi.com> has joined #haiku[04:55:34] <AD_MOS> as a hair rock fan jack was a requirement :)[04:57:10] <AD_MOS> I prefer a good single malt problem is 'good' means too expensive to be a daily drink...[04:59:29] <waddlesplash> api.haiku-os.org is dead[04:59:33] <waddlesplash> long live www.haiku-os.org[04:59:35] <waddlesplash> :)[05:00:20] <Duggan> waddlesplash what, it's not coming back up?[05:00:30] <waddlesplash> Duggan: it's now a 301 redirect[05:00:46] <Duggan> oh :( why?[05:01:00] <waddlesplash> because we want to kill vmweb?[05:01:09] <Duggan> AD_MOS yes, Islay single malts... if I want to drink something daily, I drink vodka[05:01:17] <waddlesplash> and that plus the old www. were the main things hosted on there[05:01:21] <waddlesplash> and now it's all on www.[05:01:28] <Duggan> waddlesplash why would you want to do a silly thing like that!? (I don't even know what vmweb is...)[05:01:31] <waddlesplash> try it out -- docs are the same, just in a different location[05:01:44] <waddlesplash> Duggan: because the new www. is served from a global CDN, not one server in Germany[05:02:06] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.71.144.58.mobile.tre.se> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:02:29] <Duggan> and that gives you the right to put a gun to api.haiku-os.org's head and pull the trigger!?[05:02:52] <waddlesplash> Duggan: api.haiku-os.org is just a CNAME of vmweb[05:03:00] <waddlesplash> and we already half-killed vmweb with the new www.haiku-os.org[05:03:11] <waddlesplash> the only thing left then is the userguide translator I think[05:03:20] <Duggan> *sob* but that was my sister *sob*[05:03:25] <waddlesplash> LOL[05:03:26] * Duggan cries profusely.[05:04:07] *** King_Warg <King_Warg!~Wildman@184-15-27-111.dr01.chtn.wv.frontiernet.net> has joined #haiku[05:04:54] <waddlesplash> you'll get no grief from me[05:05:05] <waddlesplash> vmweb was/is/always will be a GIANT PAIN to deal with[05:05:46] *** King_Warg1 <King_Warg1!~Wildman@50.110.118.133> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[05:08:48] *** HaikuUser3 <HaikuUser3!~vision@173-30-4-221.client.mchsi.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090423]: i've been blurred!)[05:09:27] <Duggan> I'm allergic to web development, it makes me break out in hives[05:10:13] * waddlesplash has only had two actual programming jobs and both involved large amounts of webdev[05:10:24] <AD_MOS> I try not to think about it...gives me nightmares...[05:10:30] <Duggan> unfortunately it seems that's just about all there is left to do for work anymore :/ I guess people forgot what the "science" means in "computer science"[05:11:12] <Duggan> you mean I'm not the only one that feels that way?...[05:11:52] <AD_MOS> main problem was clients though... direction changes halfway thru projects... dunno why murder is illegal... would be such a useful tool...[05:12:05] <Duggan> lol[05:12:45] <Duggan> ah yes, what every good programmer needs... a good computer, multiple monitors, an excellent ide, murder, ...[05:14:15] <ohnx`> Duggan: you're the guy who coded in machine language[05:14:26] <ohnx`> you don't need a computer computer nor an ide for that :p[05:14:27] <Duggan> ohnx` yes... yes I am :D[05:14:29] <ohnx`> just murder :p[05:14:30] <AD_MOS> information site with a couple of links to buy product? ok... 3 months later... we've added 3 lines of products could you make it ecommerce with a couple of info pages... back in the days hand coding when CMS was just starting...[05:14:37] <Duggan> ohnx` lol true I suppose[05:15:22] *** HaikuUser3 <HaikuUser3!~vision@pc-156-202-30-200.cm.vtr.net> has joined #haiku[05:15:25] * waddlesplash hand coded most of the new Haiku website layout by hand[05:15:31] <waddlesplash> of course I had Bootstrap as a basis[05:15:37] <waddlesplash> but, uh, no CMS here, that was the whole point[05:15:44] <Duggan> waddlesplash but did you do it in x86 machine language? ;)[05:15:45] <Duggan> :P[05:15:55] <AD_MOS> oh yeah and they rang 3 times during my 10th anniversary weekend... my last website for cash[05:15:55] <waddlesplash> Duggan: well, the layouts are HTML + Go templates & CSS[05:16:02] <Duggan> waddlesplash cheater![05:16:12] <waddlesplash> well, Go templates cuz it's Hugo[05:16:17] *** HaikuUser3 <HaikuUser3!~vision@pc-156-202-30-200.cm.vtr.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:16:24] <waddlesplash> Duggan: and a bunch of JS to export the MySQL dumpfiles to static markdown & html files[05:16:37] <tchbnl> The new Haiku site doesn't load correctly in NetPositive. 0/10. :p[05:16:40] <waddlesplash> because nobody had anything to handle Drupal 6 dumps[05:16:47] <Duggan> waddlesplash I'd rather write code in x86 machine language than ever touch JS again...[05:16:53] <waddlesplash> tchbnl: lol you actually tried it[05:16:59] <waddlesplash> Duggan: I <3 js[05:17:04] <Duggan> ew[05:17:08] <Duggan> I'm not your friend anymore[05:17:10] <waddlesplash> js: er I mean the programming language, but you're cool too[05:17:16] <Duggan> lol[05:17:23] <waddlesplash> (in case he still reads his logs)[05:17:30] <waddlesplash> Duggan: what do you hate about js[05:17:32] <Duggan> something tells me that's not likely[05:17:40] <waddlesplash> it's a dynamically typed language which is FAST[05:17:44] <Duggan> waddlesplash other than it's existence?[05:17:51] <tchbnl> waddlesplash: Admittedly no. :([05:18:12] <waddlesplash> Duggan: like, I wrote a script to load the gigantic CSV files into RAM and dump them out[05:18:21] <ohnx`> js is pretty fast...[05:18:27] <ohnx`> thanks the C backend/parser for that lol[05:18:28] <ohnx`> v8[05:18:50] <waddlesplash> it's like ~175 lines long, but can process like 200MB of data and generate a few thousand files in literally under a minute[05:18:59] <waddlesplash> entirely disk-access-limited, not CPU limited[05:19:43] <Duggan> for starters, how about: there's a different library for every day of the year, every one of which makes the syntax virtually unreadable, and you're expected to have all of them memorized to do pretty much anything for money[05:19:47] <waddlesplash> Duggan: actually some JS vms are faster than C++ because they can inline more memory access[05:19:55] <waddlesplash> Duggan: oh lol I haven't used any of those at all[05:20:05] <waddlesplash> Duggan: I meant JS the language, as in Nodejs or just a pure JS shell[05:20:09] <ohnx`> yeah Duggan js like having lots of modules and stuff[05:20:16] <waddlesplash> I literally have not touched Angular or Ember or whatever else at all[05:20:18] <AD_MOS> most ppls main JS experience is being redirected to 'microsoft support' sites because a problem has been detected...[05:20:23] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: autocommitter * hrev50903 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=3d4e19680bd5+%5E8d38dd18f1d2[05:20:24] <HAIKU-irker458> 3d4e19680bd5: Update pci.ids from pciids.sourceforge.net[05:20:31] <Duggan> can we please stop talking about this? I'm starting to itch pretty badly...[05:20:46] <ohnx`> LOL[05:21:07] <ohnx`> Duggan: <3 c ? :)[05:21:08] <Duggan> COBOL.... now THAT is a programming language![05:21:13] <Duggan> ohnx` yes[05:21:13] <waddlesplash> Duggan: here, a JS script which does not in web browsers: https://github.com/haiku/website/blob/master/scripts/drupal2hugo.js[05:21:20] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/ff593f9e3c8d...602a960d3321[05:21:21] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 602a960 - build_for_deploy.sh: Revert to Doxygen 1.8.11.[05:21:28] <waddlesplash> ...[05:21:33] <waddlesplash> I pushed that like 40m ago[05:21:48] <AD_MOS> only thing I've touched for years is python and a bit of Arexx[05:21:58] <waddlesplash> Duggan: Also, check it: JS is faster than C++ in some cases. https://blog.mozilla.org/javascript/2013/08/01/staring-at-the-sun-dalvik-vs-spidermonkey/[05:22:09] * Duggan ignores waddlesplash[05:22:12] <waddlesplash> AD_MOS: ... JS is basically Python, but with C's grammar and a JIT[05:22:37] <Duggan> python is too wannabe functional.... and I hate functional languages about as much as I hate JS[05:22:53] * ohnx` cries[05:22:54] <waddlesplash> oh functional programming?[05:22:56] <tchbnl> Back in my day, we didn't use JavaScript for this kind of witchcraft. We used sane languages like Python and Ruby.[05:22:57] <AD_MOS> still prefer Arexx... first love[05:22:58] <waddlesplash> I've been meaning to get into that[05:22:58] <ohnx`> what's wrong with a little haskell? :)[05:23:20] <waddlesplash> tchbnl: nodejs is basically Python but with C grammar[05:23:28] <Duggan> back in my day we used HTML because that's all there was and it wasn't even standardized (<marquee />[05:23:29] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@97-113-101-129.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[05:23:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[05:23:29] <waddlesplash> tchbnl: also, guh, ruby is horrible and I really don't like it[05:23:32] <Duggan> )[05:23:40] <waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: hey, I finally upgraded us to Doxygen 1.8[05:23:47] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, Ruby is great![05:23:51] <Duggan> hejsan Skipp_OSX[05:23:53] <ohnx`> tchbnl: ruby is terrible[05:23:56] <ohnx`> Skipp_OSX: ruby is terrible[05:23:57] <tchbnl> waddlesplash: Sane to Ruby people is not the same sane to everyone else. :p[05:24:03] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, did you figure out how to get the code blocks to format?[05:24:12] <waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: oh yes I fixed that in 10 seconds[05:24:13] <ohnx`> <code><pre>[05:24:20] <waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: "white-space: pre;" in CSS[05:24:24] <ohnx`> wait no the other way around lol[05:24:35] <waddlesplash> ohnx`: this is Doxygen, can't change markup generator that easily[05:24:35] <Duggan> eh yeah... CSS didn't exist back then either...[05:24:36] <Skipp_OSX> gotcha, still a weird bug[05:24:40] <Skipp_OSX> but cool[05:24:42] <waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: not a bug, a feature, I think[05:24:49] <waddlesplash> they intentionally removed the pre[05:24:56] <waddlesplash> that way you can control whitespace behavior yourself[05:25:18] <waddlesplash> the default CSS file has that I think, we don't use it tho[05:25:37] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, was it something strange we were doing in our CSS?[05:25:40] <Duggan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquee_element[05:25:40] <waddlesplash> no[05:25:54] <waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: they just changed Doxygen html output somewhat[05:25:59] <waddlesplash> so we had to adapt our CSS too[05:26:02] <ohnx`> Duggan: i love marquees[05:26:11] <waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: so, it mostly looks OK but there are some odd glitches here and there (and we're still on 1.8.11 because I didn't fix that stuff)[05:26:24] <ohnx`> if your browser supports vertical marquees, http://lab.masonx.ca/ is fun :)[05:26:26] <waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: please do look through it and fix whatever you run across, or pester me about it[05:26:31] <ohnx`> (think just chrome)[05:26:53] <waddlesplash> ohnx`: Firefox does veeerry strange things with that[05:26:54] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, well, I still consider that to be broken, but, I'm glad you found a workaround, staying on doxygen 1.7.x forever was probably not a great plan[05:26:58] <Duggan> ohnx` according to that page, it's a microsoft invention that is still supported in internet exploiter[05:27:02] <waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: It's not broken![05:27:14] <waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: It's literally in the CSS specificiation! It's intended behavior![05:27:14] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, yeah, I understand[05:27:29] <waddlesplash> Duggan: Internet Exploiter, :D[05:27:40] <waddlesplash> actually, Microsoft Edge ain't half bad these days[05:27:49] <ohnx`> it's best browser on windows[05:27:54] <waddlesplash> oh lol it is not[05:27:58] <ohnx`> fast, hardware acceleration,[05:28:05] <ohnx`> extension support (adblockers)[05:28:12] <waddlesplash> Firefox is still the best I think[05:28:16] <Duggan> none of them are worth a crap... they all steal your info these days[05:28:18] <waddlesplash> best devtools, best standards support[05:28:27] <ohnx`> waddlesplash: have you ever seen edge devtools?[05:28:28] <waddlesplash> Duggan: https://brave.com/[05:28:32] <ohnx`> they're actually REALLY good...[05:28:33] <waddlesplash> ohnx`: I have and I don't like them[05:28:37] <waddlesplash> yeah they're OK[05:28:41] <tchbnl> Anyone try Vivaldi?[05:28:44] <waddlesplash> I could at least find what I was looking for[05:28:51] <waddlesplash> tchbnl: I'm not a design nerd, so, no[05:28:55] <ohnx`> heh opera neon[05:29:05] <ohnx`> Duggan: netcat is the solution to everything[05:29:13] <ohnx`> best irc client, web browser, etc...[05:29:14] <Duggan> waddlesplash I don't have a macintosh[05:29:27] <waddlesplash> Duggan: obviously that's just marketing copy[05:29:32] <waddlesplash> Duggan: runs on Windows, Linux, and macOS[05:29:40] <ohnx`> haiku identifies as macOS[05:29:45] <Duggan> ah ok[05:29:49] <ohnx`> iirc[05:29:54] <ohnx`> https://brave.com/downloads.html[05:29:59] <Duggan> ohnx` no, Web+ identifies as Safari[05:30:01] <waddlesplash> ohnx`: no, there's Haiku in the UA but nobody knows how to detect that[05:30:16] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, I still wish we could get output like this though: https://insightfactory.tumblr.com/post/21228082613/method-1-2-3-wasnt-very-good-so-i-added-the[05:31:05] <ohnx`> oml what is this trend as having web browsers written in JS...[05:31:08] <ohnx`> that's terrible[05:31:11] <Duggan> from henceforth, I refuse to ever refer to any Apple "mac" products as anything less than a full "macintosh"[05:31:16] <ohnx`> it literally like having an iframe of stuff[05:31:22] <waddlesplash> ohnx`: uh Firefox is written in js you know[05:31:26] <waddlesplash> it just uses XUL for frontend[05:31:28] <ohnx`> Duggan: CrapBook Air[05:31:42] <ohnx`> waddlesplash: like vivaldi, neon, etc... all use JS now ...[05:31:42] <waddlesplash> which is, uh, basically HTML, but with more controlz[05:31:42] <Duggan> ohnx` or crap, good point[05:31:58] <ohnx`> ik i didn't say i liked javascript ;)[05:31:58] <Duggan> waddlesplash with more ctr+z?[05:32:20] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, to get that we would need to hack doxygen though[05:32:26] <waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: yeah, I like it as it is tbh[05:32:49] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, hmmmmmmmm why?[05:33:05] <waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: you're referring to the method signatures?[05:33:14] <waddlesplash> wait, do you mean the fixed width font?[05:33:22] <waddlesplash> oh yeah I do like that better[05:33:38] <ohnx`> just hack doxygen to include a .js on all the pages[05:33:46] <waddlesplash> ohnx`: we already do that ;_;[05:33:48] <ohnx`> then you can add in stylesheets and elements ol[05:35:11] <Skipp_OSX> I mean, putting a nice method title at the top, then putting all the methods with the same name together, then listing each variation. The color coding for method, function, parameter, etc. is also nice[05:35:28] <waddlesplash> oh[05:35:30] <waddlesplash> well, idk[05:35:42] *** Muzer <Muzer!~muzer@tim32.org> has joined #haiku[05:36:08] <ohnx`> hi[05:36:14] <ohnx`> 22:36:14 up 97 days, 3:51, 1 user, load average: 0.04, 0.01, 0.00[05:36:17] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, we would want to update the color scheme to be like Haiku instead of BeOS though I guess[05:36:23] <waddlesplash> yeah[05:36:29] <ohnx`> heh irssi has /exec[05:36:45] <ohnx`> waddlesplash: where is docs generated by doxygen?[05:36:59] <waddlesplash> ohnx`: they now live at https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/api/[05:37:07] <waddlesplash> as of 59 minutes ago. :D[05:37:16] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, here is my code changes https://github.com/jscipione/Doxygen_Haiku/commits/master[05:37:50] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, they'll never apply to a more recent doxygen though so probably not very useful[05:37:50] <ohnx`> hey not bad[05:37:53] <waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: wait, you actually forked Doxygen? O_o[05:37:58] * waddlesplash didn't know this[05:37:58] <ohnx`> looks wayy better than the default doxygen... lol[05:38:11] <waddlesplash> ohnx`: eh, Doxygen 1.8 ain't so bad[05:38:16] <waddlesplash> but yeah I like ours better[05:38:53] <ohnx`> that's from 2011 ...[05:39:00] <waddlesplash> ?[05:39:12] <waddlesplash> 1.8 was the debut of the new theme, right?[05:39:17] <waddlesplash> or was that later along the line[05:39:20] * waddlesplash can't remember[05:39:22] <Skipp_OSX> yeah this code predates 1.8[05:40:02] <Skipp_OSX> maybe someday I'll get around to modernizing my changes and submitting them to doxygen[05:40:20] <ohnx`> http://www.stack.nl/~dimitri/doxygen/ waddlesplash is that page generated with doxygen 1.8 ?[05:40:26] <waddlesplash> yeah[05:40:30] <ohnx`> if it is, it's pretty ugly ..[05:40:44] <waddlesplash> well[05:40:51] <waddlesplash> even that is heavily customized[05:41:08] <waddlesplash> https://ffmpeg.org/doxygen/2.7/ -- there, that's a default 1.8 theme[05:41:40] <ohnx`> the buttons are still kinda tacky lol[05:41:49] <ohnx`> and the fullwidth page is weird[05:41:59] <waddlesplash> yeah it is[05:42:35] <Skipp_OSX> it is actually a lot nicer than I remember it being[05:44:30] <ohnx`> i'm probably being really harsh lol[05:44:54] <ohnx`> s/probably //[05:45:21] <waddlesplash> well, with that, I think that's the last of the gargantuan website infra changes I intended to make[05:45:31] <waddlesplash> and to think I've been working on all this since mid-2015...[05:45:32] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, btw, nice job on the website[05:45:55] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, and I mean that sincerely, I had doubts about it working and I was totally wrong[05:46:01] <waddlesplash> :)[05:46:23] <waddlesplash> See, I told you it'd work out with no explosions. :)[05:46:44] <Skipp_OSX> I didn't understand how you were going to be able to do things like comments with a static site generator[05:47:10] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, there are a couple of really minor issues on mobile... but no show stoppers[05:47:17] <waddlesplash> oh, we had that all figured out long in advance[05:47:24] <waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: well the old site didn't work on mobile at all :p[05:47:37] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, could probably be fixed with a single line of css: img { max-width: 100% }[05:47:48] <waddlesplash> ah, yeah, I should look into the image sizing[05:48:18] <ohnx`> waddlesplash: what are you doing? embed js?[05:48:34] <waddlesplash> ohnx`: basically, yes, it embeds a comment thread from discuss.haiku-os.org[05:48:36] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, images that are too wide expand the page width on mobile, but if you use the above CSS they won't anymore[05:48:50] <waddlesplash> yeah, I need to tweak img css for other reasons anyway[05:48:51] <waddlesplash> will do[05:48:52] <Skipp_OSX> maybe... let's test :)[05:50:19] *** Begasus <Begasus!~begasus@ptr-4p6jpin4gtlu9kmumdn.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[05:52:41] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, almost... the GET HAIKU container has a fixed width of 340px, add max-width:100% fixes that on iPhone5[05:53:01] <Skipp_OSX> since iPhone5 is 320px...[05:53:40] <Skipp_OSX> iPhoneSE as well (a more modern piece of hardware)[05:54:28] <Skipp_OSX> but that is a super nitpick[05:57:17] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[05:59:30] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/602a960d3321...de657189512d[05:59:32] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash de65718 - layouts/css: Tweak margins and sizing for images and blocks.[05:59:34] <waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: and there you go[06:00:01] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, nice![06:00:12] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, does that take effect immediately?[06:00:40] <waddlesplash> it should automatically deploy in ~60s or so[06:00:52] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-5.moscow.rt.ru> has joined #haiku[06:01:12] <Skipp_OSX> ok I'll wait :)[06:01:41] <waddlesplash> deployed[06:01:57] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-5.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[06:02:01] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, bam that fixed it[06:02:05] <waddlesplash> :)[06:02:29] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-5.moscow.rt.ru> has joined #haiku[06:03:29] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[06:03:50] *** [JJ]Albert_ <[JJ]Albert_!~Albert@2602:306:3bf2:b330:8de:733:8d5f:4ab4> has joined #haiku[06:04:26] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, this page needs work still on mobile: https://www.haiku-os.org/slideshows/haiku-1/[06:04:55] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, unfortunately the images have fixed width and height, the max-width thing makes the images all squished now....[06:05:26] <waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: file a ticket and assign to humdinger, maybe[06:05:30] *** jstressman <jstressman!~justin@2601:407:c300:a5ef:c581:fa1b:2860:8c69> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[06:05:36] <waddlesplash> or, uh, ouch, looks terrible on desktop too[06:05:38] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, I see the problem... it's using a table[06:05:49] <Duggan> why are the layoutbuilders not listed in the layout api documentation?[06:06:09] <waddlesplash> Duggan: not all of them are documented, some are[06:06:13] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, so.... how I'd fix this, first, take out the heights, you don't need them, just the widths[06:06:17] <Duggan> they are mentioned with a link to layoutbuilder.h but not explicitly listed like the other classes[06:06:24] *** [JJ]Albert <[JJ]Albert!~Albert@2602:306:3bf2:b330:8de:733:8d5f:4ab4> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[06:06:26] <Skipp_OSX> then, convert the tables into ul[06:06:36] <Skipp_OSX> ul class="table"[06:06:36] <Premislaus> Skipp_OSX: On desktop too...[06:06:39] *** jstressman <jstressman!~justin@2601:407:c300:a5ef:c581:fa1b:2860:8c69> has joined #haiku[06:07:28] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/de657189512d...86b630e97e9d[06:07:29] <Duggan> has the layout api changed significantly from when the Laying It All Out series of blog posts were authored?[06:07:30] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 86b630e - shijin4.css: Revert "img max-width" change.[06:07:38] <waddlesplash> Duggan: not really[06:08:08] <Skipp_OSX> then in CSS, you say ul.table { display: table; list-style-type: none; } ul.table li { display: table-cell; } for desktop, then for mobile keep the lists same[06:08:22] <Duggan> waddlesplash ok, because the layoutbuilders mentioned in the blog posts aren't mentioned at all in the documentation, even the layoutbuilder.h page[06:09:17] <waddlesplash> Duggan: looks like https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/api/layout_intro.html talks about them somewhat[06:09:20] <waddlesplash> tho yeah, no api docs[06:09:23] *** [JJ]Albert_ is now known as [JJ]Albert[06:09:34] <waddlesplash> er, looks like Group has docs https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/api/classBLayoutBuilder_1_1Group.html[06:09:39] <Duggan> waddlesplash yeah, that's what I was saying... they are mentioned but not documented[06:09:48] <waddlesplash> nobody wrote docs for them then[06:09:51] <waddlesplash> feel free to do so[06:10:06] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, the problem is humdinger put a height in[06:10:20] <waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: if you remove the height, the images become very small[06:10:32] <waddlesplash> I like how large they were, and the max-width prevents that from happening[06:10:36] <waddlesplash> so I just reverted the change[06:10:46] <waddlesplash> (just max-width change, others are still in there)[06:10:46] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, right, but at least they are proportional[06:10:51] <waddlesplash> yeah[06:10:52] <Duggan> waddlesplash that page is confusing as hell...[06:10:57] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, well, forget the max width thing for a second[06:11:09] <waddlesplash> Duggan: uh, yes, because LayoutBuilder implementation is template maddness[06:11:10] <Duggan> waddlesplash and I'd be happy to document them, but thats assuming I know anything about them... I'm trying to learn and that apparently is the problem[06:11:21] <waddlesplash> Duggan: read source code. :D[06:11:25] <Skipp_OSX> I'm saying that if you take the height out it should look the same because the height will scale with the width[06:11:38] <waddlesplash> nope[06:11:47] <waddlesplash> max-width overrides the inline width[06:11:49] <waddlesplash> try it yourself[06:11:56] <Skipp_OSX> I know it does[06:12:01] <Duggan> waddlesplash I am, in part... not the ideal way to conform to the common statement "you should use the layout system"[06:12:04] <waddlesplash> well, I like the old sizing[06:12:15] <waddlesplash> Duggan: I know, but, nobody wrote anything[06:12:15] <waddlesplash> ...[06:12:17] <waddlesplash> oh wait I did[06:12:19] <Skipp_OSX> yeah, the sizing is way too small on mobile[06:12:33] <Duggan> lol waddlesplash... did you write the blog posts?[06:12:43] <waddlesplash> nah[06:12:47] <Skipp_OSX> but that is fixed by using lists that you set to tables on desktop[06:12:49] <waddlesplash> blog posts were long before me[06:12:53] <Duggan> ah[06:12:55] <Duggan> what did you write?[06:13:05] * waddlesplash looks around for it[06:13:20] <Skipp_OSX> that way you get a horizontal table on desktop, and a vertical list on mobile[06:13:46] <Skipp_OSX> anyway, it's a lot more complicated I change[06:15:26] <waddlesplash> Duggan: found it. it's pretty short but maybe a good introduction[06:15:48] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, it looks like this on mobile though now: http://imgur.com/a/8hQsV[06:16:01] <Skipp_OSX> which is not great[06:16:06] * waddlesplash tries to get a PDF out of it[06:16:14] <Duggan> waddlesplash I'm afraid the blog posts may be out of date and the api docs are, frankly, insufficient... otherwise there doesn't appear to be any other documentation for the layout api which is kind of inexcusable considering everybody says we're supposed to use it because it's so great... if we want 3rd party developers to use this stuff it needs to be well documented in a way people can understand[06:16:18] <Skipp_OSX> if you did what I suggested above it would look good on desktop AND mobile[06:16:48] <Duggan> sorry Skipp_OSX I don't mean to pull him away from your conversation[06:17:06] <Skipp_OSX> damn it Duggan :)[06:17:08] <Duggan> this is just really irking me...[06:17:11] <Duggan> hehehe[06:17:13] <Skipp_OSX> it's ok[06:17:37] <waddlesplash> are they?[06:17:46] <waddlesplash> I haven't looked at those posts[06:17:58] <waddlesplash> I basically just figured it out by trial and error[06:18:13] <waddlesplash> and by breaking Tracker a lot because that was my first big layout project[06:18:24] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-5.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[06:18:28] <Duggan> waddlesplash I don't know that they are or arent, but I know how old they are so it's likely they may be[06:18:48] <Duggan> either way, they're not comprehensive[06:19:01] <Skipp_OSX> I think the real problem is that we need to create better documentation for layout APIs[06:19:07] <Duggan> comprehensive AND understandable[06:19:18] <Duggan> Skipp_OSX that's kind of what I'm getting at ;)[06:19:26] <Duggan> something BeBook quality[06:19:51] <Skipp_OSX> maybe just Laying it All Out Part 2[06:19:58] <Duggan> as far as API docs go, EVERYBODY can learn something from the BeBook... it is the epitome of API docs :D[06:20:15] <waddlesplash> idk[06:20:29] <waddlesplash> I prefer Haiku book over be book by a lot tbh[06:20:40] <waddlesplash> but I always liked the super formal docs anyway[06:21:08] <Skipp_OSX> The Haiku Book doesn't have nearly the detail of the BeBook... but it does have the advantage that it isn't 15 years out of date[06:21:34] <waddlesplash> right[06:22:17] <waddlesplash> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/UFlU5pJM/CreatingUIsusingtheLayoutAPI.pdf[06:22:23] <waddlesplash> there, that's the thing I write[06:22:25] <waddlesplash> *wrote[06:22:35] <Duggan> the BeBook explains how something works, then goes into the details of how to use it, including examples[06:22:35] <waddlesplash> it's very basic, but maybe a good starting point[06:22:47] <waddlesplash> yeah, I kinda do miss that sometimes[06:22:53] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, that is the detail that we are missing in the Haiku Book[06:23:11] <Duggan> the HaikuBook is just a list of API function calls really[06:23:36] <Duggan> waddlesplash thanks :)[06:23:55] <Skipp_OSX> well it turns out that writing API documentation is time consuming and monotonous[06:24:20] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-5.moscow.rt.ru> has joined #haiku[06:24:23] <waddlesplash> yep[06:24:26] <Duggan> why can't Access just give us the rights to the BeBook? even if they keep all the other IP, at least let us update the BeBook...[06:24:33] <waddlesplash> idk[06:24:40] <Duggan> has anybody asked?[06:24:42] <waddlesplash> at least we can distribute it though[06:24:58] <waddlesplash> they let us do that[06:25:19] <Duggan> yeah... but it would be a phenomenal place to start turning the Haiku Book into something that's actually usable...[06:26:14] <Duggan> I know some of you guys worked really hard on the docs, but they make my head hurt :/[06:27:42] <Premislaus> waddlesplash: What do you think about text justify on our website?[06:27:57] <Duggan> let me guess.... patches welcome? :P[06:28:07] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, the Haiku Book is admittadly incomplete and lacks a lot of stuff[06:28:19] <Skipp_OSX> in short, it needs work[06:28:50] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[06:28:58] <Skipp_OSX> If only we could get Access to give us the rights to modify the BeBook we could copy over all the good stuff[06:29:08] <Duggan> yeah[06:29:27] <Duggan> at least we're lucky enough that it's not THAT out of date[06:29:48] <Duggan> ... yet[06:30:12] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, I've been bitten a few times following the BeBook only to find out there is an addition in Haiku that makes something much easier[06:30:49] <Duggan> like layous for one I'm sure[06:31:44] <Duggan> am I the only one that actually writes 3rd party native apps for Haiku? lol seems everybody else is either working on the repo or porting something[06:32:16] <scottmc> Pete writes stuff[06:33:57] <Duggan> ok, so I'm 50% of the Haiku clientele[06:34:00] <Duggan> ;)[06:35:48] <scottmc> the tunetracker guys... that drops you under 50%[06:37:11] <Premislaus> scottmc: This is fine - http://www.tunetrackersystems.com/tuneprepper-music-cd-ripper-prepper.html - but not cheap.[06:37:52] <Premislaus> I still miss old ArmyKnife on x86_64.[06:40:21] <Premislaus> Any news about iZ?[06:40:24] <scottmc> they forked armyknife to make that. it used to be armyknife_TTF, but then they diverged it further. And we've moved armyknife as well. Mostly GCI students working on it bit by bit. it now supports album artwork for instance.[06:40:46] <scottmc> have you tried building armyknife on x86_64?[06:40:54] <Premislaus> no[06:41:04] <Duggan> scottmc they're still developing native stuff for Haiku?[06:41:08] <Duggan> the tunetracker guys[06:41:35] <scottmc> yeah. their dev is sometimes on the mailing list asking questions... ttcoder[06:41:40] <Premislaus> scottmc: Today I build ma first program under Haiku - HelloDuggan![06:42:17] <Duggan> oh damn.... they did switch to Haiku[06:42:32] <Duggan> congrats Premislaus :D[06:42:40] <Duggan> did you get that loop put in there yet?[06:42:41] <scottmc> https://hoelz.ro/blog/programming-for-haiku-hello-world <- try this hello world next[06:43:46] <Premislaus> scottmc: thanks[06:44:35] <scottmc> i might use ideas from this blog post to make another beginner gci task for next year.[06:45:08] <Duggan> so I'm 33% of the Haiku clientele :P[06:45:29] <Duggan> and another 33% only does commercial stuff, so that gives me hope I may make money one day... lol[06:47:10] <scottmc> http://blog.leahhanson.us/post/haiku-first-gui-program.html <-- this one might also be of interest. ignore the installoptionalpackages as that's gone away and replaced by haiku depot. we still have paladin though.[06:47:32] <scottmc> and time for bed.. tired.[06:54:07] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, so how do I compile the website?[06:55:01] <waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: "hugo serve" in root of repo will start a live server on localhost[06:55:21] <waddlesplash> so you can test your changes as you make them[06:55:32] <Skipp_OSX> yeah that's what I was looking for[06:55:32] <waddlesplash> Hugo can be gotten from gohugo.io[06:55:39] <waddlesplash> :)[06:57:36] <Duggan> excerpt from Tunetracker wikipedia page: "TuneTracker now runs on the super stable open source Haiku OS." ...[06:58:15] <Premislaus> lol[07:05:29] <Duggan> and now an excerpt from the "broadcast automation" wikipedia page: "For radio software, these disks are usually in computers, sometimes running their own custom operating systems, but more often running as an application on a stable OS like GNU/Linux, Windows NT or others." ...[07:06:50] *** korli <korli!c299d9f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.153.217.248> has joined #haiku[07:07:00] <Premislaus> I'm thinking about new computer for Haiku, from old and used parts. http://allegro.pl/amd-opteron-2374-he-4x2-2ghz-55w-i6692322504.html - old 4-core opteron, only 4-bucks.[07:08:37] <Duggan> go for it, but we don't have an MPI client ported yet if you're wanting to build a cluster :P[07:09:28] <korli> hi[07:09:48] <Duggan> I was going to write a native one once using BMessage passing but too many people complained that it didn't fit the MPI standard and that Haiku isn't meant to be a server of any kind, so I ditched it[07:09:55] <Duggan> hej korli[07:10:03] <waddlesplash> oh hey it's korli![07:10:11] <waddlesplash> I almost never see you on here...[07:10:32] <Premislaus> No I want only 2-cpu. 2x4 cores. I have radeon 5450. I have 2 GiB RAM but this DDR1 not DDR2, and I want ECC. Maybe I must buy older Opteron (K8 instead of K10).[07:10:32] <Duggan> waddlesplash he's here about as often as you are...[07:10:58] <Premislaus> Also I must buy some screen - http://allegro.pl/wyprzedaz-monitor-eizo-l367-dvi-vga-usb-glosniki-i6613552415.html - 8-10 bucks.[07:11:03] <waddlesplash> well I used to be here much more often :)[07:11:28] <Duggan> you've both been here pretty often lately :P[07:11:40] <korli> a blackscreen on boot is probably an intel_extreme problem, one should try the fail-safe video mode.[07:11:51] <waddlesplash> yes, I saw him on some chat logs but never was here at the same time[07:11:53] <Duggan> I said that :P thanks though, korli :)[07:11:54] <Premislaus> But I'm worried about bills (power hungry).[07:12:19] <Duggan> Premislaus then you should invest in an Onyx[07:12:30] <waddlesplash> korli: saw my comments in the ftppositive PR?[07:12:44] <Duggan> it heats the house at the same time it generates 3d wireframes, saves a lot of money :D[07:13:28] <korli> waddlesplash: yeah I'm a bit lazy to update the code sorry[07:13:55] <waddlesplash> korli: that's OK, I'll do it soon enough[07:14:35] <waddlesplash> korli: what's been cooking in your git trees these days? :)[07:15:50] <Premislaus> Duggan: What is Onyx?[07:16:23] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: for BMessages over the network, you way want to look into sockhop, would be nice to see that running and packaged for Haiku[07:16:54] <PulkoMandy> Premislaus: I think some workstation from SGI, running SGI Irix?[07:17:43] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy: As a kid I loved dreaming about SGI station, but with MIPS.[07:19:24] <Premislaus> This old specs has regular BIOS not UEFI (I want to install Haiku, I'm using it from dd'oed pendrive, but DriveSetup is broken). I have some worries about motherboard for Opterons - broken ACPI tables and booting from USB.[07:22:53] <Duggan> Premislaus SGI Onyx, I was joking[07:23:01] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy would Muscle not be enough[07:23:59] <AlienSoldier> Muscle as in Behare[07:24:01] <PulkoMandy> maybe, I don't know much about Muscle. Since it is cross platform now, does it really integrate with BMessage and other parts of the API?[07:24:07] <Duggan> PulkoMandy maybe I'll look into it eventually, but like I said, my dream of turning Haiku into a scientific computing powerhouse has died... I personally think with the BFS and small kernel size that if pared down, it would make an ideal server OS, but too many people disagree[07:24:38] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy it was pretty much filling a BMessage, i really liked toying with it.[07:24:57] <Duggan> PulkoMandy, Premislaus, the SGI Onyx ran IRIX with MIPS processors, so you both win :P[07:25:31] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: do people really disagree with that? it's just that it is not the Haiku's project goal, but the code is there and can be used for other projects too.[07:25:48] <PulkoMandy> You will have to add in some security however (but that we would be happy to integrate[07:25:48] <PulkoMandy> )[07:26:20] <Duggan> PulkoMandy yeah, I was objected to rather sternly.... maybe I'll fork the repo one day to pursue that, but I don't want anybody thinking I'm not also faithful to Haiku :P[07:26:32] <AlienSoldier> i remember the SGI/Nintendo boot at epcot center where they were showcasing the N64 as a member of the SGI familly :)[07:26:38] <AlienSoldier> *booth[07:27:07] <Duggan> I mean, an OS built around processing large files is very much ideal for a DBMS server[07:28:33] <AlienSoldier> everything is possible as long as you make it[07:28:48] <Duggan> I've always wanted to write a DBMS :P[07:32:25] <AlienSoldier> i remember the datawing beos database project, too bad it got abadoned, i loved the idea[07:33:02] <Premislaus> Duggan: Their opinion is meaningless. Currently I'm out of money, but I want NAS powered buy Haiku. Cheapest ssd m2 for Haiku, and 2xHDD with RAID 1. Haiku should be good (BFS) for multimedia server, or webhosting (accounts created in People).[07:33:43] * Premislaus and VPN for torrents.[07:33:47] <stargater> Premislaus: why not used a freebsd NAS?[07:33:54] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:34:48] <Premislaus> Because I want use Haiku. Why I must to tinker with console, etc?[07:35:13] *** ADS_Sr <ADS_Sr!~ADS_Sr@cpe-173-175-17-54.hot.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:35:47] <Skipp_OSX> waddlesplash, ok, I made a pull request[07:36:56] <Skipp_OSX> you can review it, I am going to bed :)[07:39:10] <Skipp_OSX> I found a problem...[07:39:14] <Skipp_OSX> oh well[07:39:31] <Skipp_OSX> just need to take out a line in CSS padding-right: 16px that is no good[07:39:36] <Skipp_OSX> still, I am going to bed[07:40:07] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@118.149.153.219> has joined #haiku[07:40:13] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@97-113-101-129.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[07:41:36] <Premislaus> stargater: What about attributes under FreeNAS?[07:46:08] <stargater> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2008/03/past-present-future-file-systems/[07:48:01] <Premislaus> What graphics card is able for multiple screens under Haiku?[07:48:48] <Premislaus> stargater: Thanks for link[07:49:36] <Premislaus> stargater: I'm using BTRFS under Linux, I like snapshots. We have snapshots under Haiku (in bootloader you can boot for states created by pkgman)[07:50:49] <Premislaus> stargater: ZFS under BSD do not has all of neat features. ZFS from Oracle has it. https://openindiana.org/pipermail/openindiana-discuss/2011-March/003091.html[07:51:23] <stargater> Premislaus: https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/stippi/2010-01-12_everyone_loves_benchmarks[07:52:25] <Premislaus> stargater: This is meaningless. I know what is doing when SWAP under Linux is used. I do not see this under Haiku.[07:53:38] <Premislaus> stargater: I do not see I/O slowlines under Haiku, everything is buffered in RAM.[07:54:07] <Premislaus> stargater: And BTRFS is slow as fak. I read complaints on Phoronix forum.[07:54:32] <stargater> haiku have a swap to , but swap is only for ram, eg. when you system used to much ram, befor the system stop or die used hd spache for a software ram[07:55:29] <stargater> http://open-zfs.org i think this a a good fs for a desktop os[07:56:03] <korli> waddlesplash: I'm updating pyqt to 5.6[07:56:36] <Premislaus> stargater: I have some issues with BTRFS and systemd. When I boot, after login screen, I must wait sometimes, sometimes several minutes, for GUI, because btrfs worker doing something. I'm observing it from virtual console in iotop.[07:59:10] *** Guma <Guma!~Guma@c-73-211-254-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[07:59:36] <Premislaus> stargater: This benchmark should be performed again. We have 64-bit, new scheduler, new driver and BFS was patched. BFS only lacks some features, or tools like snapper from openSUSE.[08:00:30] <Premislaus> Haiku is not I/O heavy, I know this from my dual booting years ago - WinXP vs Haiku.[08:01:10] <stargater> ah funy http://efi.akeo.ie/[08:01:10] <korli> otherwise found another py c++ binding framework pybind11, I'd like to see what the ad hoc generator https://github.com/RosettaCommons/binder can actually do with the Haiku C++ API[08:02:52] <stargater> Premislaus: haiku have some problems with ssd and raid?[08:04:16] <Premislaus> stargater: For hardware raid probably you must to have drivers, I don't know about software raid (you set up it in BIOS). On SSD you have problems only when you manually performs TRIM.[08:05:09] <stargater> yes but is bfs realy good, it is stabel? i dont know[08:05:31] <Premislaus> stargater: Sometimes corrupt like other fs.[08:05:50] <Premislaus> stargater: Talk with Duggan about it ;).[08:06:24] <stargater> for me are beos (haiku) a nice os its a mix from win, unix. and smaller then other os[08:07:21] <stargater> i unlike the pm in haiku, its too hardcoded and that is what i like in linux kernel, you can setting all kernel stuff[08:07:33] <stargater> aka modular systems[08:08:01] <Premislaus> stargater: Why? As a end user I like PM in Haiku.[08:08:41] * Premislaus but filetypes are currently broken...[08:09:09] <stargater> the end user like facebook to but behinde all machines a contoling your life[08:11:53] <stargater> Premislaus: pm is to deep in haiku, when it seperatly as modul then i have no problem with it.[08:12:32] *** Guma <Guma!~Guma@c-73-211-254-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[08:12:51] <stargater> i like the idear behinde the archlinux pm aka pacman and a switch from user pm (aur) and system pm.[08:29:59] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@2a02:c7d:9b9e:f300:9553:a039:ad7f:469> has joined #haiku[08:31:30] <Duggan> alright, you guys have done it now... I just dusted off my DBMS books...[08:37:51] <Duggan> apparently cubes are out so I guess I won't bother with OLAP support...[08:42:34] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@2a02:c7d:9b9e:f300:9553:a039:ad7f:469> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[08:48:10] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@apn-31-0-46-66.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[08:53:09] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@apn-31-0-46-66.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[08:55:10] <korli> stargater: you could unpack the haiku hpkg and boot off the filesystem, how hardcoded is that?[08:56:15] <korli> your idea of pm seems more like the usual cliché[08:58:36] *** skbot3511 <skbot3511!~soakbot@ec2-54-159-177-126.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[08:58:55] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-197-93-249.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[08:58:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[09:00:57] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[09:00:58] <stargater> korli: unpack the pm?[09:01:35] <Premislaus> stargater: unpack the hpkg[09:01:55] <Premislaus> stargater: you can put software in not-packaged folder[09:04:19] <korli> but I agree, it's difficult for install scripts to know where to actually install[09:04:25] <Premislaus> stargater: I downloaded source code of some PulkoMandy's screensaver, I typed make then I put it in non-packaged, ant it works without chmod +x mumbo jumbo.[09:05:44] <korli> for instance python has site and vendor packages, the default is installing to site packages because it's non-packaged, but when making a hpkg it should install to vendor packages[09:06:04] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@77.79.212.94> has joined #haiku[09:14:32] <AlienSoldier> QT coolreader is a fail for me[09:14:37] <AlienSoldier> thing seem slow as hell[09:20:13] <AlienSoldier> what!! 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Also there is a sourscode, some model - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=4683&action=edit . How hard will be to port it for Haiku?[11:28:45] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[11:28:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[11:29:17] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9f09b.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[11:29:36] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a33d.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[11:40:32] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@83.236.247.11> has joined #haiku[11:40:41] <miqlas-H64> Mornin'[11:43:52] <Barrett> hi miqlas-H64[11:49:12] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to korli-symetrie-2 [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/commit/e1dbd8f1f199[11:49:14] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli e1dbd8f - Update symetrie-0.0.1.recipe[11:49:15] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports] korli created branch korli-symetrie-2 - https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports[11:50:25] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli deleted branch korli-symetrie-2[11:50:27] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports] korli deleted branch korli-symetrie-2 - https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports[11:55:53] <korli> playing with github online editor...[11:58:15] <jessicah> :)[11:58:21] <jessicah> it's okay for basic stuff I find[12:02:54] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[12:09:29] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a33d.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[12:10:26] <miqlas-H64> I'm on my way to provide a nice patchset for Calibre E-book manager/reader.[12:10:39] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@118.149.153.219> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[12:11:13] <miqlas-H64> It using in-tree unrar, but it somehow cannot detect the endianness on Haiku. I can see there is some ifdefs for the different OSs. Aren't the unrar patches for Haiku upstreamed?[12:11:18] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9e334.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[12:13:51] <miqlas-H64> oh, yeah, it is an really ancient version from 2012.[12:14:04] <FreeFull> Why do they have OS-based ifdefs, instead of architecture-based ones or such?[12:15:50] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9e334.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[12:16:55] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p5DC23A4D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[12:17:24] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9de13.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[12:18:29] <jessicah> different includes I suppose[12:23:01] <Barrett> midi headers doesn't even have the right copyright.[12:23:09] <Barrett> doesn't have copyright at all[12:24:16] <Barrett> there's no padding in the network_kit[12:25:09] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9de13.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[12:27:12] <Barrett> now I realize the locale kit has not padding too[12:27:24] <Barrett> so all apps will be broken someday[12:31:55] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9dd99.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[12:33:31] <korli> maybe submit tickets[12:35:47] <korli> these headers could need a rewrite, see https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/1576[12:37:14] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9dd99.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[12:37:49] <korli> midi headers were not listed https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/1576?sfp_email=&sfph_mail=&action=diff&version=42&old_version=0&sfp_email=&sfph_mail=[12:42:16] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9ed37.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[12:42:27] * jessicah pokes Duggan[12:46:50] *** auronandace <auronandace!~auronanda@2a02:c7d:4427:e200:ac3f:6a8:8520:535d> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[12:48:01] *** HaikuUser3 <HaikuUser3!~vision@vir91-7-88-163-35-222.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[12:54:25] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p5DC23A4D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[12:54:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[12:59:41] *** auronandace <auronandace!~auronanda@2a02:c7d:4427:e200:90cd:7452:761b:3f79> has joined #haiku[13:02:47] <Barrett> I will try to find some time lately[13:20:05] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9ed37.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[13:21:56] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9e1e4.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[13:22:23] <Premislaus> Is possible to make multiboot pendrive with Haiku, gparted, memtest and other os?[13:28:56] <Diver_> I think someone did it using grub + iso image[13:34:55] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4db9eaca.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[13:36:40] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@77.79.212.94> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[13:37:24] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9e1e4.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[13:45:15] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p5DC23A4D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[13:48:53] <Barrett> Premislaus, should work the same as a normal hard disk[13:54:57] <Premislaus> Barrett: With DD no. I think I need some tool. But I'm too dumb, to many things I want. I want to install Haiku and NetBSD (no EFI support and I can't find efi build on their ftp or some kind of instruction). I need gparted for BFS. Maybe I must use some bootloader like Refind - but it lacks of BFS driver.[13:55:12] <Barrett> Premislaus, you need to install grub on that partition[13:55:27] <Barrett> in the MBR[13:55:34] <Premislaus> 1. Install Grub on pendrive.[13:56:01] <Premislaus> Barrett: But Haiku do not boot - some problems with GPT.[13:56:24] <Barrett> why use GPT?[13:56:30] <Premislaus> I have build from jessicah, with uefi loader - regular nightly build do not has it.[13:56:39] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@apn-31-0-46-66.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[13:57:00] <Premislaus> Barrett: Because Haiku do not boot to installer on my computer with CSM OS mode.[13:58:09] <Premislaus> Too many incompatibility evrywehre. I'm reading manual, readmes, mailing list, and I have many isos on disk, some tools, and mumbo-jumbo in my head.[14:00:39] <Premislaus> Barrett: I think I must use BSD instead of Linux (bugs! and mess with files, folders, paths, scripts, and is unstable as hell sometimes), for backup, because Haiku has some serious lacks.[14:01:39] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p5DC23A4D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[14:01:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[14:04:14] *** bslsk05 <bslsk05!bslsk@puckipedia.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[14:04:28] <Premislaus> Barrett: I need NetBSD, because my friend from internet, currently tries to port Haiku on the NetBSD kernel. He compiles Kits, but he must modify whole system to support it.[14:05:00] *** bslsk05 <bslsk05!bslsk@puckipedia.com> has joined #haiku[14:05:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v bslsk05[14:06:13] <Premislaus> Barrett: He is very professional, he sometimes wrote articles for IT magazine for software developers.[14:11:19] <korli> Premislaus: nice hobby ;)[14:13:04] <Premislaus> korli: I think this is not hobby, what he want to try. He is working for NetBSD foundation.[14:14:25] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p5DC23A4D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[14:15:50] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[14:15:55] <Premislaus> korli: priv[14:16:05] *** AndrewZ <AndrewZ!6202ca5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.2.202.90> has joined #haiku[14:18:15] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p5DC23A4D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[14:18:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[14:30:49] *** korli <korli!c299d9f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.153.217.248> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[14:40:34] *** t3ll3m3744 <t3ll3m3744!~SICHOM@154.70.108.226> has joined #haiku[14:51:56] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4db9eaca.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[14:52:38] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[14:53:22] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9f8cf.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[15:00:30] *** t3ll3m3744 <t3ll3m3744!~SICHOM@154.70.108.226> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[15:11:59] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9f8cf.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:13:43] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9fae0.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[15:14:55] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:16:40] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[15:33:04] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[15:39:25] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@apn-31-0-46-66.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[15:50:03] <Barrett> Premislaus, nice to see projects like that[15:51:53] <Premislaus> Barrett: Yeah. I think this is more big than "hobby projeckt".[15:52:47] <Barrett> that'd be nice if Haiku userland become a multiplatform choice[15:53:31] <Barrett> but I think we should still stick with a kernel that fits the BeOS spirit[15:53:49] <Barrett> in my hopinion the next move is going to a microkernel[15:54:52] <Barrett> (but this is just a my vision, not something I think there will be a general consensus)[15:55:30] <Premislaus> Barrett: Wait.[15:55:56] <Premislaus> Barrett: seL4 + Haiku kits and GUI + NetBSD POSIX and cmd line tools + Fleet from QNX - overkill![15:57:32] <Premislaus> Barrett: Haiku does not have low level developers.[15:59:08] <Premislaus> Barrett: http://netbsd.org/~kamil/haiku/2017-01-25-kit-app-build.txt[16:01:55] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p5DC23A4D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[16:03:50] <Barrett> Premislaus, I don't know if going the OSX way is right for Haiku[16:04:20] <Barrett> i.e. freebsd + mach + classic heritage + nexstep heritage = osx[16:05:21] <Premislaus> Barrett: Not OSX but QNX. Fleet is something like, you have cluster and you just typed make 1..16 - and it compiles.[16:05:49] <Premislaus> on all of machines[16:06:00] <Barrett> I know, I'm taking a commercial frankenstain os as example (OSX)[16:06:50] <Barrett> they were able to do that because of $$, not sure it will work with Haiku[16:06:51] <Premislaus> Barrett: This dream is more elegant ;)[16:07:48] <Barrett> I'd look into porting Haiku over fuchsia instead[16:08:15] <Barrett> but we need to wait and see if this microkernel will have any success/value[16:10:26] <Barrett> for what it matters my area of development, I plan to make the R2 media_kit less dependant from internals[16:10:47] <Barrett> if other kits follow the same idea...that'd make way for something like that[16:12:51] <stargater> netbsd? haiku?[16:13:07] <stargater> what is this http://netbsd.org/~kamil/haiku/2017-01-25-kit-app-build.txt[16:13:26] <stargater> Premislaus:[16:16:53] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!xemdetia@nat/ibm/x-vmkcuhvcriunjqki> has joined #haiku[16:18:36] <Premislaus> stargater: Some approach to Haiku Kits on top NetBSD or something more.[16:19:07] *** HaikuUser3 <HaikuUser3!~vision@vir91-7-88-163-35-222.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[16:20:59] <miqlas-H64> Premislaus: why do you need efi driver for befs?[16:21:16] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!xemdetia@nat/ibm/x-vmkcuhvcriunjqki> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:21:30] <miqlas-H64> there actually is BeFS efi driver[16:22:26] <miqlas-H64> Premislaus: check it here: http://efi.akeo.ie/[16:23:11] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!xemdetia@nat/ibm/x-xaqrjprchsjxmcdo> has joined #haiku[16:24:15] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@83.236.247.11> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[16:30:15] *** munchausen <munchausen!~er209@myrtle.kent.ac.uk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[16:30:22] *** munchausen <munchausen!~er209@myrtle.kent.ac.uk> has joined #haiku[16:31:01] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-197-93-249.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:31:19] *** stippi <stippi!~soakbot@ec2-54-197-93-249.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[16:31:36] <stargater> Premislaus: have more infos about netbsd and haiku kits?[16:32:41] <Premislaus> stargater: unfortunately, I think we must wait.[16:33:32] *** stippi1 <stippi1!~Thunderbi@p5DC23A4D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[16:33:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi1[16:34:17] *** gbl08ma <gbl08ma!~gbl08ma@ec2-52-23-151-127.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[16:35:23] <Premislaus> stargater: You know, NetBSD has many targetes.[16:37:55] *** ppisati_ <ppisati_!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has joined #haiku[16:41:05] *** ppisati <ppisati!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[16:43:02] <stargater> ok[16:50:30] *** ppisati_ <ppisati_!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[16:52:22] *** ppisati <ppisati!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has joined #haiku[16:55:36] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9fae0.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[17:01:27] *** ppisati_ <ppisati_!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has joined #haiku[17:02:47] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9cfa0.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[17:03:35] *** ppisati <ppisati!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[17:07:17] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9cfa0.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[17:07:20] *** stippi1 <stippi1!~Thunderbi@p5DC23A4D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[17:09:51] *** ppisati <ppisati!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has joined #haiku[17:12:08] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@apn-31-0-46-66.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[17:12:47] *** ppisati_ <ppisati_!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[17:13:38] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d8548bd.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[17:13:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[17:14:22] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a5ea.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[17:17:12] *** SCHAAP137 <SCHAAP137!~schapie@unaffiliated/schaap137> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:24:29] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[17:30:01] *** SCHAAP137 <SCHAAP137!~schapie@unaffiliated/schaap137> has joined #haiku[17:30:51] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4db9fe2b.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[17:32:09] *** daspork_ <daspork_!~quassel@128.199.205.75> has left #haiku ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.")[17:32:10] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a5ea.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[17:35:52] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9c87e.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[17:36:19] *** pdziepak <pdziepak!~pdziepak@88.98.223.225> has joined #haiku[17:36:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o pdziepak[17:37:20] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4db9fe2b.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[17:49:21] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/3c19b15eec56...ec9946d0cbb9[17:49:22] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb ec9946d - Sequitur: Fix libpng dependency[17:50:46] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[17:51:08] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4db9e164.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[17:53:22] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9c87e.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:53:35] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[17:56:16] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4db9e164.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:58:19] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9e251.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[18:04:37] *** petterhj <petterhj!~Petter@cm-84.209.150.30.getinternet.no> has joined #haiku[18:05:35] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9e251.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[18:12:49] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9c612.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[18:14:30] <Vidrep> Hi[18:15:34] <Barrett> hi Vidrep[18:15:39] <Vidrep> Hi Barrett[18:16:00] <Vidrep> How are you?[18:16:26] <Barrett> nice, waiting for the beta freeze[18:17:03] <Barrett> you?[18:20:47] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection timed out)[18:21:36] <Vidrep> OK. I'm still bummed out about printing with Pe, so I took a day off yesterday[18:22:12] <Vidrep> Barrett, are you trying to get as much of your changes to MK implemented before the freeze?[18:23:23] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@tmo-114-107.customers.d1-online.com> has joined #haiku[18:28:59] <Barrett> Vidrep, the contrary I'm waiting for the freeze before continuing toward my goals[18:29:39] <Barrett> I'm out of R1 definitely, unless someone backport my stuff.[18:31:18] <Vidrep> So, after the freeze it will be mostly bug fixing until Beta? Am I correct?[18:31:42] <Barrett> no, I will not touch the R1 branch[18:32:14] <miqlas-H64> If somebody want to help to get Calibre ported, here is my preliminary patches: https://github.com/miqlas/calibre/commits/master[18:32:37] <miqlas-H64> wrong link: https://github.com/miqlas/calibre/commits/haiku_support[18:32:40] <Vidrep> OK[18:33:11] <miqlas-H64> I mean, this is the correct link: https://github.com/miqlas/calibre/commits/haiku_support[18:34:22] <Barrett> Vidrep, I think I explained my disappointment enough in the Haiku Inc. email.[18:34:35] <Vidrep> I remember[18:35:28] <Barrett> and this would have been avoided by simply a little more kindness from Haiku Inc., like replying[18:35:59] <Barrett> the truth here is that Haiku Inc. didn't want to reply. In soccer it's called disengagement.[18:36:12] <Barrett> and I will stop here :)[18:36:26] <miqlas-H64> And i go to home. Bye![18:36:27] <Barrett> miqlas-H64, will get a look in a few mins[18:36:51] <miqlas-H64> Barrett: in half an hour i'll be at home, let us talk later[18:36:56] <Barrett> yep[18:36:57] <miqlas-H64> Bye[18:37:00] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@tmo-114-107.customers.d1-online.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[18:40:35] <Vidrep> I'm going to switch to x86_gcc2[18:40:36] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[18:45:35] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[18:46:30] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9c612.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[18:47:23] <Barrett> I switched my main test machine to x86_64 :)[18:47:41] <Barrett> will never return back[18:48:22] <Vidrep> If x86_64 gets to the point where most of the most commonly used apps are available, I'll switch as well[18:48:25] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9d2f0.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[18:48:46] *** tojoko <tojoko!~vision@nat3-161.fh-giessen.de> has joined #haiku[18:48:56] <Vidrep> Video playback is superior due to ffmpeg 3[18:49:10] *** tojoko <tojoko!~vision@nat3-161.fh-giessen.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[18:49:19] <Vidrep> Audio is broken, but I'm hoping that will be fixed eventually[18:49:48] <Barrett> ffmpeg audio?[18:50:16] <Vidrep> Last time I tried there were a couple of formats that wouldn't play[18:50:34] <Vidrep> Some mp3's for example[18:51:13] <Vidrep> Lately my preoccupation has been with Haiku printing[18:51:53] <Vidrep> Now I see what the real issue was with printing with Pe[18:52:14] <Vidrep> There is a problem, but not what I thought a couple of days ago[18:53:06] <Vidrep> Barrett, are you not experiencing audio issues?[18:54:01] <Barrett> for the little use of Haiku I make nowadays I just noticed that some streams doesn't play anymore[18:56:05] <Vidrep> There are several trac tickets by myself and AlienSoldier about various audio issues[18:56:53] <waddlesplash> I think that's PulkoMandy's fault for changing ffmpeg decoder[18:57:28] <Premislaus> Vidrep there was always been some issues in past time with audio. Sometimes I lose sound or some video dosn't work.[18:57:32] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p5DE538B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[18:58:41] <Barrett> media_kit itself improved in a terrific way in the last year IMHO[18:58:56] <Barrett> the problems with ffmpeg is that we're tied to the old gcc2 version.[19:02:19] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: humdinger * hrev50904 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=7c8d207203d5+%5E3d4e19680bd5[19:02:20] <HAIKU-irker458> 7c8d207203d5: Install fix for Sequitur[19:02:34] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[19:04:23] <Vidrep> ffmpeg on gcc2 and 64 bit behave quite differently when playing the same files[19:04:50] <Vidrep> Different versions of ffmpeg 0.10.16 vs 3.2[19:06:06] <Vidrep> Try playing HD video on 64 bit - it will play. Try the same file on gcc2 and it chokes (freeze frame stutter)[19:06:09] <Barrett> Vidrep, there are like 10 or more years of development in the middle[19:06:52] <Barrett> and generally this isn't either the major problem. For me the major problem would be the madness of testing the code with so much different libraries.[19:06:53] <Vidrep> Yes, I know. That's why I'm hoping for further development of 64 bit Haiku - that's the future[19:07:24] <Barrett> If I'm at work, I will do what the boss say, he pay me[19:07:36] <Barrett> I'm not willing to get into this hell for some volounteer work.[19:08:38] <Barrett> so for me, we have to just wipe out gcc2 and refactor the plugin[19:08:47] <Vidrep> BeOS compatibility made sence as recently as 5 years ago, but not now[19:08:57] <Vidrep> *sense[19:10:08] <Vidrep> Get the Beta out, then R1, and move on...[19:10:49] <Barrett> for people interested in R1 yes :)[19:11:53] <Barrett> I will laugh if R2Alpha1 will get out before R1 :)[19:12:01] <Barrett> improbable, but possible[19:12:29] *** Wellenbrett <Wellenbrett!~Thunderbi@p57925C07.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[19:12:32] <Barrett> the real danger here is another, that R1 will be the very last version because in the meantime everyone get burned out.[19:12:56] <humdinger> let's see if the main branch magically progresses in leaps and bound once Beta is branched...[19:13:08] <humdinger> I dounbt it.[19:13:12] <humdinger> doubt[19:13:12] <Vidrep> In the meantime, how about we all work together to get a good Beta out the door[19:13:28] <humdinger> Aren't we doing that already?[19:13:29] <Barrett> humdinger, yes it's too late.[19:13:57] <humdinger> I know I'll enjoy using the stabeling beta branch with fixed repos.[19:14:09] <humdinger> you all can continue on the unstable branch to R2 :)[19:15:12] <Barrett> humdinger, the project is halted, interpersonally, individually, financially and ideologically.[19:15:29] <Barrett> I hope more people than me is able to recognize that.[19:15:50] <humdinger> yeah yeah. doom gloom, run to the hills everyone...[19:17:02] <Premislaus> humdinger: look at the development rate.[19:17:26] <humdinger> last 10% take 90% of the time.[19:17:52] *** Wellenbrett <Wellenbrett!~Thunderbi@p57925C07.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Wellenbrett)[19:18:32] <Vidrep> Look at the contibutions to Haiku Inc and the number of people who burned out or got fed up and left the project[19:19:05] <Barrett> humdinger, can you explain what you mean?[19:19:20] <Vidrep> Fortunately there are a few newcomers and GCI students who choose to join[19:19:59] <humdinger> as long as there were many (easy) targets to develop for, progress seems swift. Once the big things are done, much works well enough.[19:20:05] <Barrett> it must be that I'm working with sigmoids functions for all the day and the brain is smoking[19:20:10] <humdinger> and the big complicated stuff is in the details.[19:21:04] *** Wellenbrett <Wellenbrett!~Thunderbi@p57925C07.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[19:21:08] <humdinger> Vidrep: were there many "fed up" besides Barrett? I don't seem to recall many outbursts...[19:22:18] <Premislaus> humdinger: We closed haiku-os.pl, bacause we don't have views. Same nicks.[19:22:24] <Premislaus> *had[19:22:31] *** Wellenbrett <Wellenbrett!~Thunderbi@p57925C07.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:23:09] <Vidrep> I've felt like ranting a time or two[19:24:36] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[19:25:00] <Vidrep> Let's just try our best to fix what needs to be fixed and get this Beta out[19:25:07] <miqlas> Barrett: i'm here[19:26:40] <Premislaus> humdinger: This is not last 10%.[19:27:03] <miqlas> Barrett: a nice 2-step garage for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxsoRKJTs2g[19:28:02] <Barrett> humdinger, so I must be on the bad side as long as I "fed up".[19:28:47] <humdinger> ou sounded fed up Barret. aren't you?[19:28:51] <humdinger> *you[19:29:37] <Barrett> sure[19:30:52] *** hbelusca <hbelusca!~hbelusca@reactos/developer/hbelusca> has joined #haiku[19:31:06] *** Colin_Finck <Colin_Finck!~Thunderbi@reactos/developer/ColinFinck> has joined #haiku[19:31:12] <Barrett> humdinger, the question was if I'm right or not[19:31:56] <Colin_Finck> hey folks! I'm Colin from the ReactOS Project. Who are we going to share our booth with at FOSDEM in a week? :)[19:32:28] <Barrett> I think for a reason or for another a lot of people is disappointed. But just like in real social politics not everyone will get a sickle and hammer flag and go under the parliament.[19:32:29] <humdinger> Barrett: that Haiku is doomed, has failed? I hope you're wrong, but who's to say. I keep using it anyway...[19:33:18] <waddlesplash> Colin_Finck: mmu_man, I believe[19:33:22] <Barrett> Colin_Finck, I think mmu_man[19:33:29] <humdinger> Colin_Finck: mmu_man and PulkoMandy[19:33:33] <Colin_Finck> hello mmu_man![19:33:39] <waddlesplash> oh, is PulkoMandy going too? nice[19:33:44] <hbelusca> Hello french-speaking people![19:34:02] *** cucujoidea <cucujoidea!5ed922b9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.217.34.185> has joined #haiku[19:34:19] <Barrett> humdinger, do you think my disappointment is not motivated?[19:35:09] <Barrett> I still think to what's missing in streaming sometimes when I go to sleep.[19:35:20] <humdinger> Barrett: everyone has reasons for how they feel and act.[19:35:52] <Barrett> sure, but my question is direct, I'm enough open mentally to accept that my behavior is not right[19:35:57] <Barrett> but someone please tell me that.[19:36:00] <miqlas> hbelusca: bonjur![19:36:19] <hbelusca> salut![19:36:37] <miqlas> hbelusca: you are searching for PulkoMandy, mmu_man or korli. They speaks french[19:37:05] <hbelusca> miqlas: yeah, I was targeting them as they are going to the FOSDEM.[19:37:12] <humdinger> Barrett: I just think riding that Haiku Inc. screwed up horse, and mistaking that failure with the Haiku project isn't helpful.[19:37:27] *** learn_more <learn_more!~learn.mor@unaffiliated/learn-more/x-7754155> has joined #haiku[19:37:52] <Colin_Finck> FYI, hbelusca and me are the ones representing ReactOS at our shared Haiku/ReactOS booth at FOSDEM[19:38:01] <hbelusca> bb soon[19:39:05] <Colin_Finck> and as I was planning the booth, I wanted to check with you and share some ideas[19:39:14] <Colin_Finck> so mmu_man, PulkoMandy, whenever you have time, please ping me[19:39:36] <geist> ooh brussels[19:39:43] <geist> sounds like would be a lovely trip[19:41:48] *** learn_more <learn_more!~learn.mor@unaffiliated/learn-more/x-7754155> has left #haiku[19:43:47] <Barrett> humdinger, I see your point.[19:44:50] <Barrett> But that's not an excuse. Either for screwing up or for all the dark sides around.[19:45:41] *** petterhj <petterhj!~Petter@cm-84.209.150.30.getinternet.no> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[19:47:55] <Barrett> humdinger, https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13246[19:50:46] *** knarfy <knarfy!~knarf@81-64-93-195.rev.numericable.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:50:47] <Barrett> miqlas, Haiku is unix from now, hail to Haiku! <--- lol[19:50:56] <miqlas> :)[19:51:19] <miqlas> Heil Haiku would be a bit too much, i fear.[19:51:45] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has joined #haiku[19:52:23] <Barrett> the patches look nice to me[19:52:37] <Barrett> except you can merge two pairs into one :)[19:52:48] <Barrett> that'd help if you want to upstream[19:52:53] <miqlas> Barrett: it requires python2, qtpy, and some external python modules.[19:53:03] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@2a02:c7d:9b9e:f300:9553:a039:ad7f:469> has joined #haiku[19:53:16] <Barrett> haiku version is able to convert pdf to epub?[19:53:19] <miqlas> Barrett: i know,i could merge the unrar things into one commit.[19:53:25] <Barrett> I use that app mostly for that :-D[19:53:29] <miqlas> Barrett: not tested yet.[19:53:53] <Barrett> it supports my ebook by default too[19:54:06] <miqlas> i also converted some OCR'ed PDF to text with it on other platforms, lemme test the converting capability.[19:56:37] <miqlas> Barrett: converting right now.[19:57:09] <Barrett> Welcome to kernel debugging land? :)[19:57:11] <Barrett> kidding[19:57:36] <miqlas> Sadly Calibre shows up as python in the Deskbar, so i fear we cannot have nice icon for it. :([19:58:08] <Barrett> hmm isn't python able to create a proper BApplication?[19:58:08] <miqlas> Barrett: first it takes the pdf, converts it to HTML, and from HTML it creates an epub.[19:58:30] <miqlas> seems... Because it stagnates at 1% since 3 minutes...[19:59:17] <miqlas> but it tops booth of my cpu, so the multithreading works :)[19:59:40] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/ec9946d0cbb9...55be434f1469[19:59:41] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson 55be434 - openssl: bump to 1.0.2k.[20:01:21] <miqlas> Barrett: 67%![20:04:16] <Barrett> abemus papam![20:05:22] <miqlas> Barrett: it wasn't OCR'ed PDF, but a normal scan, so it converted every page into a picture, and made an epub with it.[20:05:25] <miqlas> my bad.[20:05:29] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[20:06:14] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@2a02:c7d:9b9e:f300:9553:a039:ad7f:469> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:11:14] <miqlas> Barrett: it converted fine my OCR'ed PDF to txt.[20:11:27] <miqlas> so it should work with epub too.[20:11:43] <Barrett> nice[20:12:42] <miqlas> but the device recognition doesn't works, it seems it using dbus for that.[20:13:05] <miqlas> but it could be handy to convert between the different doc formats.[20:13:41] <Barrett> miqlas, doesn't it support libusb?[20:13:51] <miqlas> it supports[20:13:54] <Barrett> or it requires dbus anyway to detect the device?[20:13:58] <miqlas> and libmtp[20:16:39] <miqlas> i think it using dbus over libusb to get the path. It does actually using the devices as mass data storage (as normal filesystem) on every platform where i tested. So i think it using libusb to get the real device identifier, and with some magic it get the mount path of the device. That's all. Hovewer it is a bit different with MTP, but i don't care, my Kindle works as a normal USB storage, and the libmtp broke[20:16:39] <miqlas> n as hell on Haiku.[20:18:41] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[20:24:40] *** cancercake <cancercake!53fc52cf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.252.82.207> has joined #haiku[20:26:05] <cancercake> humdinger, i saw your commit now, thanks. :) the nightly builds are a bit behind but i'll make sure to test it in a day or so[20:26:46] <humdinger> cancercake: should work, I installed a clean nightly and re-built sequitur.[20:26:53] <humdinger> installation works now.[20:27:35] <cancercake> also, i can confirm that the internal intel hd audio works fine. i would've preferred to use my sound card, but i can't complain[20:27:53] <cancercake> that's great[20:28:33] <humdinger> cool. many hda chipsets work, but not all...[20:29:10] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@2a02:c7d:9b9e:f300:9553:a039:ad7f:469> has joined #haiku[20:36:58] <cancercake> btw, is there a way to force on vsync and a specific resolution with vesa? i was amazed with the lack of slowdowns with hd video[20:37:42] <jessicah> there's vesa settings file you can make[20:38:28] <Barrett> miqlas, maybe it's easily fixable[20:38:48] <jessicah> cancercake: create ~/config/settings/kernel/drivers/vesa[20:38:59] <jessicah> and add a line: mode <width> <height> <depth>[20:39:10] <jessicah> e.g. I have: mode 1920 1200 32[20:39:49] <humdinger> doen't help with the vsync though.[20:39:52] <cancercake> jessica: ohh thank you, i'll try that[20:40:19] <jessicah> mm, yeah, I'm not aware of any settings for vsync[20:41:40] <humdinger> normally, even if you're using VESA, you can set the resolution as usual with the Screen prefs, no?[20:42:49] <Duggan> hej jessicah, humdinger[20:43:22] <humdinger> Duggan![20:43:33] <Duggan> humdinger you did something with the HDA driver?[20:43:34] <cancercake> humdinger, i can change resolutions, but not all resolutions are there[20:43:50] <cancercake> i can't use any widescreen resolutions[20:44:37] *** cucujoidea <cucujoidea!5ed922b9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.217.34.185> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[20:45:05] <humdinger> Duggan: surely not![20:45:21] <Duggan> yeah, I was hoping not...[20:45:22] <humdinger> cancercake: you only get to choose what the BIOS advertises.[20:45:53] <Duggan> it's already broke enough, I don't need iscomputeronfire() to return the temperature of my motherboard...[20:46:42] <cancercake> i made a text file in that location but it didn't work[20:47:35] <cancercake> ah, so if the resolution isn't in the Screen app, it's impossible to use it?[20:47:46] <humdinger> pretty much.[20:48:01] <humdinger> there's supposedly some evil hack to patch the BIOS.[20:48:05] <cancercake> heh ok[20:48:10] <humdinger> but I wouldn't risk that.[20:48:26] <humdinger> maybe there'S a firmware/BIOS update available fr your MB.[20:48:58] <cancercake> most stuff out there is 4:3 so not a huge deal, but i have a lot of 16:9 videos[20:49:03] <humdinger> but I doubt they'll include more vesa modes.[20:49:16] * Duggan sobs uncontrollably after realizing he has a legitimate reason to use templates for something.[20:49:42] <humdinger> The BLayoutBuilders laugh at Duggan's distress[20:49:53] <Duggan> humdinger gave up on that[20:50:20] <cancercake> humdinger: yeah, i'll just wait until there's a card with drivers instead[20:50:24] <humdinger> quitter[20:50:37] <Duggan> humdinger write better docs and I'll consider it :P[20:50:40] <humdinger> cancercake: get a cheap RadeonHD[20:51:02] <cancercake> which one? I have a 4450 lying around i think[20:51:03] <humdinger> Duggan: all my programming is pretty much trial and error.[20:51:10] <Duggan> otherwise, I'm writing a dbms now...[20:51:12] <humdinger> you don't want me to document APIs[20:51:34] <Duggan> humdinger might be a good way to learn? ;)[20:52:00] <Barrett> humdinger, if I remember correctly there are some modes that can be forced but don't appear in what the bios declare[20:52:13] <Barrett> it depends on the vesa bios[20:52:35] * Duggan only has one video mode[20:52:41] <humdinger> cancercake: 4450 isn't listed here: http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/radeon_hd/driver.cpp[20:52:51] <humdinger> might work anyway? at least in VESA.[20:52:56] <Duggan> 1920x1080[20:53:28] <humdinger> I have 5 using VESA[20:53:43] <humdinger> intel_extreme non-working :\[20:54:14] <Barrett> since the latest debated changes to the intel driver, my Haiku starts with 6 or 8 screens in one[20:54:29] <Barrett> worked like charm since before Alpha1 : ([20:54:50] <humdinger> get a 65" monitor 16k monitor :)[20:55:00] *** arroyoc <arroyoc!~Thunderbi@5.224.222.179> has joined #haiku[20:55:02] <cancercake> i'll put the card in anyway and see. cool to see some rx cards in that driver btw[20:55:11] <Barrett> this is a laptop :)[20:56:25] *** petterhj <petterhj!~Petter@cm-84.209.150.30.getinternet.no> has joined #haiku[20:57:35] <cancercake> does the radeonhd driver support vsync?[21:04:02] <humdinger> I don't think so.[21:04:43] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-092-252-117-019.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined #haiku[21:04:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[21:05:05] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-89-0-242-207.netcologne.de> has joined #haiku[21:05:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jua_[21:05:20] <humdinger> those two guys know more, I guess.[21:05:31] <humdinger> vsync: an app_server missing feature?[21:05:38] <humdinger> or driver issue?[21:05:41] <cancercake> hmm[21:05:54] <humdinger> hi axeld, jua_[21:06:36] <axeld> Hi humdinger[21:06:44] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@37.250.211.218.bredband.tre.se> has joined #haiku[21:06:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[21:06:51] <humdinger> ^^ vsync?[21:11:38] <jua_> hej humdinger[21:12:04] *** Guma <Guma!~Guma@c-73-211-254-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:12:04] <jua_> app_server has support for vsync if applicatoins request it for drawing, but it's currently commented out in the sources[21:12:11] <jua_> iirc some drivers had bugs with it[21:12:12] <humdinger> jua_: any ideas about vsync'ing on Haiku?[21:12:23] <humdinger> i see.[21:12:54] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@2a02:c7d:9b9e:f300:9553:a039:ad7f:469> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:12:59] <humdinger> too bad...[21:13:46] <cancercake> maybe after gsoc :)[21:15:27] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[21:17:05] <cancercake> i just want to ditch windows so bad[21:17:34] <hbelusca> Use ReactOS ;)[21:17:36] <hbelusca> xD[21:17:50] <humdinger> hbelusca is totally biased :)[21:17:56] <hbelusca> hehe :D[21:18:23] <cancercake> i love reactos actually. it's still a little premature though[21:18:46] <stargater> http://www.vesa.org/news/vesa-adds-adaptive-sync-to-popular-displayport-video-standard/[21:18:54] <hbelusca> yes, we have some rather annoying bugs that pop out.[21:19:27] <cancercake> hbelusca, you a reactos dev? :)[21:19:55] <hbelusca> yeah[21:20:07] <cancercake> cool[21:20:07] <stargater> https://github.com/chjj/compton/wiki/vsync-guide[21:22:27] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[21:22:40] <cancercake> stargater: adaptive sync without a driver? that's really cool[21:23:09] <stargater> https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=VESA+BIOS+Extensions[21:23:24] <stargater> vbe 3.0 can tribel buffering[21:24:52] <cancercake> 1998, that's some time ago[21:25:13] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[21:26:19] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has joined #haiku[21:27:18] <Premislaus> Small Haiku vs Linux benchmark - http://pastebin.com/jfyFaeyJ[21:30:46] <stargater> https://web.archive.org/web/20081209121721/http://www.vesa.org/public/VBE/vbe3.pdf[21:33:42] <Duggan> hej Premislaus[21:35:27] <cancercake> hbelusca, is reactos applying for gsoc 2017 too?[21:35:44] <hbelusca> we are thinking about it.[21:36:43] <cancercake> oh ok[21:37:21] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p2003005B441FBD00022314FFFEAF6410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[21:39:27] <Premislaus> Duggan: Hey! 5 minutes...[21:39:41] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[21:40:09] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 6 commits to master [+2/-5/±5] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/55be434f1469...2f06a8974dbb[21:40:10] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 7380291 - symetrie: patch is upstreamed.[21:40:12] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 2400702 - ftppositive: upstream switched to makefile.[21:40:13] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 374827a - befar: patch is upstreamed.[21:40:15] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] ... and 3 more commits.[21:42:16] *** scanty <scanty!eli@capacitance.org> has joined #haiku[21:44:06] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] scottmc pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/2f06a8974dbb...aba760e1b868[21:44:08] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] scottmc aba760e - Updated atk to 2.23.4, deleted old broken recipes (#1098)[21:45:13] <Duggan> is waddlesplash around by chance?[21:45:45] <Duggan> or: does anyone know if Paladin supports multiple targets?[21:45:46] <waddlesplash> for the next few minutes I am[21:45:56] <waddlesplash> idk[21:45:58] <Duggan> waddlesplash does Paladin support multiple targets?[21:45:58] <waddlesplash> I don't use Paladin[21:46:00] <Duggan> lol[21:46:05] <Duggan> oh, well you wrote the docs :P[21:46:09] <waddlesplash> I did?[21:46:22] <waddlesplash> Are you sure I wrote them and not just reformatted them or something[21:46:41] <waddlesplash> Anyway I started working on my own IDE a while back[21:46:43] <Duggan> beats me, you were the last one ot check them into github "Initial docs update for 1.4"[21:46:47] <waddlesplash> but it still does mostly nothing[21:46:51] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[21:46:53] <Duggan> yeah I'm gonna be working on one soon as well[21:47:05] <waddlesplash> Duggan: https://github.com/waddlesplash/Heidi[21:47:19] <Premislaus> Sorry previous benchmark is not valid - various program versions. THIS IS PROPER - http://pastebin.com/EpgXmPbF[21:47:22] <waddlesplash> uses Scintilla for code editor widget[21:47:36] <waddlesplash> and almost has a project view (already has build output and stuff)[21:48:30] <Duggan> cool waddlesplash[21:48:45] <stargater> and the winner is?[21:49:13] <Duggan> waddlesplash fails to build, can't find ScintillaView.h (even though I installed scintilla_devel[21:49:14] <Duggan> )[21:50:29] <waddlesplash> yeah paths changed[21:50:29] <waddlesplash> I need to fix that[21:50:29] <waddlesplash> anyway. g2g, ttyl[21:50:39] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p2003005B441FBD00022314FFFEAF6410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[21:51:33] <Duggan> later waddlesplash[21:51:35] <Duggan> thanks[21:52:22] <stargater> ed is the standard text editor[21:53:31] <Duggan> no it's not... StyledEdit is for text and Pe for code[21:55:28] <stargater> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_%28text_editor%29[21:56:54] <stargater> https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html[21:57:28] <stargater> https://twitter.com/rob_pike/status/489539758930919424[21:59:35] *** hecliunyx <hecliunyx!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:26:40] *** pdziepak <pdziepak!~pdziepak@88.98.223.225> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:32:26] *** cancercake <cancercake!53fc52cf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.252.82.207> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[22:38:35] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!xemdetia@nat/ibm/x-xaqrjprchsjxmcdo> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:41:19] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 5 commits to master [+3/-0/±5] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/aba760e1b868...33a64f3081aa[22:41:21] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli c28dbc4 - a_book: enable x86_64.[22:41:22] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 4e98e18 - catkeyeditor: enable x86_64.[22:41:24] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 62a10d4 - bepodder: x86_64 build fix.[22:41:25] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] ... and 2 more commits.[22:42:10] <stargater> why are yab not aviable on x86_64?[22:42:16] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: I need sleep)[22:43:27] <hbelusca> oh btw ,question (from a newbie): does haiku work on ?x[22:43:29] <Duggan> probably it or a dependency hasn't been ported yet... have you looked at the issues for it?[22:43:30] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/33a64f3081aa...1362f9bcf966[22:43:32] <hbelusca> work on x64?[22:43:32] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] Vidrep 1362f9b - Update youtube_dl to current revision[22:44:04] <Duggan> hbelusca yes, I'm running it on x86_64... if you have a machine with UEFI, you HAVE to run the x86_64 build[22:44:17] <Duggan> (and there is no x86_64 hybrid)[22:44:18] <hbelusca> ah, good to know :)[22:47:12] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/1362f9bcf966...4d9001ee6505[22:47:14] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 4d9001e - atk: enable x86_64.[22:49:19] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d8548bd.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[22:50:13] *** savant_d <savant_d!~savant@178.162.117.40> has joined #haiku[22:51:12] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@37.250.211.218.bredband.tre.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Lämnar)[22:56:05] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-89-0-242-207.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:56:34] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-89-0-242-207.netcologne.de> has joined #haiku[22:56:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jua_[23:06:18] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@82-132-228-219.dab.02.net> has joined #haiku[23:06:25] <Premislaus> Good night![23:06:41] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[23:15:48] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:16:16] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:22:05] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[23:36:04] *** savant_d <savant_d!~savant@178.162.117.40> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[23:38:44] *** arroyoc <arroyoc!~Thunderbi@5.224.222.179> has quit IRC (Quit: arroyoc)[23:44:28] *** hecliunyx <hecliunyx!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org> has joined #haiku[23:49:53] <js> js: lol[23:49:57] <js> waddlesplash: lol[23:49:58] <js> I mean :)[23:50:52] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[23:52:21] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-092-252-117-019.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Quit: axeld)[23:55:52] <Duggan> lol js