January 25, 2017 
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January 25, 2017 [00:01:58] *** knarfy <knarfy!~knarf@81-64-93-195.rev.numericable.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[00:02:10] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:03:12] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-188-118-135-151.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Quit: axeld)[00:09:42] *** arroyoc <arroyoc!~Thunderbi@5.224.222.179> has quit IRC (Quit: arroyoc)[00:12:48] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090423]: i've been blurred!)[00:13:34] *** petterhj <petterhj!~Petter@cm-84.209.150.30.getinternet.no> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[00:13:48] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[00:15:21] *** JohnX- <JohnX-!john@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe50:3ac4> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:15:38] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[00:16:59] <Premislaus> Hello![00:17:51] *** JohnX <JohnX!john@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe50:3ac4> has joined #haiku[00:21:22] <mattlacey> mornign[00:22:02] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)[00:27:22] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[00:27:54] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[00:47:16] *** Shearer <Shearer!~shearer@net-93-144-146-186.cust.dsl.teletu.it> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:49:32] *** ohnx is now known as Guest71171[00:52:40] *** Guest71171 is now known as ohnx[01:03:53] *** _Dario <_Dario!vision@190.55.159.221> has joined #haiku[01:14:54] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[01:29:10] *** akirabit <akirabit!~a3@42.red-81-35-49.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has joined #haiku[01:47:41] *** stakewinner00 <stakewinner00!~stakewinn@190.143.19.95.dynamic.jazztel.es> has quit IRC ()[01:48:22] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@2a00:f41:188f:42d7:2677:3ff:fe43:9358> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[01:53:29] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[01:54:25] *** geoid_ <geoid_!~geoid@94.8.217.215> has quit IRC (Quit: Lingo: www.lingoirc.com)[01:59:41] *** akirabit <akirabit!~a3@42.red-81-35-49.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Saliendo)[02:02:30] *** jalopeura <jalopeura!~vision@47-34-243-180.dhcp.rvsd.ca.charter.com> has joined #haiku[02:06:30] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[02:09:04] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[02:17:17] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[02:22:26] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[02:38:32] *** pfoetchen <pfoetchen!~pfoetchen@beiboot1.petschge.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[02:38:40] *** pfoetchen <pfoetchen!~pfoetchen@beiboot1.petschge.de> has joined #haiku[02:41:21] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[02:44:41] <jalopeura> quick question: is it possible to install x86 python on a hybrid haiku, to use under "setarch x86"? Even after downloading the x86 package, renaming it python_x86, and repackaging it, I get an error that says the package "is not installable".[02:46:47] <jalopeura> And I can't just used the x86_gcc2 executable, because I need to link with the .so.[02:49:37] <scottmc> maybe try building it with haikuporter?[02:50:43] <scottmc> although haikuporter used to choke when you built python using it, and it runs python.[02:50:51] <scottmc> not sure if that is still the case[02:51:50] <Vidrep> scottmc, quick question: building tiff4 on x86_gcc2 - rm: cannot remove '/packages/tiff4-4.0.7-1/.self/develop/lib/*.la': No such file or directory[02:52:32] <scottmc> maybe it already removed it and now it's complaining since it's already gone?[02:52:48] <jalopeura> Well, maybe I can just pull the .so out of the paclage and try sticking that somewhere the linker can find it.[02:53:31] <scottmc> Vidrep try adding -f?[02:53:41] <scottmc> jalopeura worth a try[02:56:35] <Vidrep> scottmc, nope. Thanks anyway :)[02:56:47] *** jalopeura <jalopeura!~vision@47-34-243-180.dhcp.rvsd.ca.charter.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[02:58:48] *** cutchyacokov <cutchyacokov!~cutchyaco@mctnnbsa45w-156034215251.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.nb.bellaliant.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[03:03:03] <begasus> Vidrep, is it build? ;)[03:06:06] <begasus> nm, just looked at the recipe :)[03:06:47] <begasus> hi scottmc ... did you get the votes in time?[03:07:48] <Vidrep> begasus, no it won't build[03:08:15] <Vidrep> Some issue that's beyond me[03:08:19] <Vidrep> :)[03:09:38] <Vidrep> begasus, I was just looking at recipes on gcc2h that were lagging the current revision[03:09:58] <Vidrep> tiff4, libusb[03:13:13] <begasus> quit a few probably ...[03:17:09] <mmu_man> FWIW, https://github.com/google/brotli/pulls[03:17:34] <mmu_man> anyone wanna write a Services Kit addon for this?[03:17:37] <mmu_man> PulkoMandy: ^[03:17:38] <mmu_man> :)[03:17:40] <mmu_man> anyway[03:17:40] <mmu_man> zz[03:30:13] *** begasus <begasus!~begasus@ptr-4p6jpip911cntnp8iw0.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[03:38:42] <ohnx> heh mmu_man if you don't want to sign it i can[03:46:29] <scottmc> Vidrep i think tiff won't build on gcc2, last gcc2 version is all you will get. i recall looking at it years ago.[03:48:58] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9f718.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[03:51:46] <Vidrep> thanks[03:51:51] <Vidrep> gn[03:51:58] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[04:02:31] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:12:13] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@pool-71-182-241-36.pitbpa.east.verizon.net> has joined #haiku[04:23:03] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[04:24:50] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9f718.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[04:26:37] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9d7f2.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[04:33:48] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9d7f2.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[04:38:47] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@97-113-101-129.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[04:38:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[04:39:17] <Skipp_OSX> is it possible to detect that the user clicked both primary and secondary mouse buttons symultaneously?[04:40:58] <ohnx> Skipp_OSX: what is simultaneously?[04:41:06] <ohnx> like within the span of some certain miliseconds?[04:41:18] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9c284.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[04:41:20] <Skipp_OSX> ohnx: well, I guess that is kind of the problem[04:41:51] <ohnx> technically you could set a flag when left click and another flag when right click[04:42:02] <ohnx> and every couple cycles you clear it :p[04:42:06] <Skipp_OSX> naively I would think that you might be able to do if ((buttons & B_PRIMARY_MOUSE_BUTTON) != 0 && (buttons & B_SECONDARY_MOUSE_BUTTON) != 0) { // user pressed both buttons at the same time }[04:42:30] <Skipp_OSX> but that doesn't work[04:43:47] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[04:46:36] <Skipp_OSX> so then I tried detecting 2 clicks one after another in quick succession, and the code looks like this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23861399/[04:47:43] <Skipp_OSX> that does detect both buttons, but, as it says in the comment, it doesn't fully work, since you get either a primary mouse button or secondary mouse button followed by a tertiary mouse button[04:47:51] <ohnx> B_TERTIARY_MOUSE_BUTTON isn't that middle mouse?[04:48:08] <Skipp_OSX> B_TERTIARY_MOUSE_BUTTON is the middle mouse button yes[04:48:28] <Skipp_OSX> this code is to emulate a 3 button mouse if you only have a 2 button mouse[04:48:32] <ohnx> ah so you want to detect when both are at same time[04:49:29] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9c284.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[04:51:15] <ohnx> can you cancel a click?[04:53:39] *** AndrewZ <AndrewZ!6202ca5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.2.202.90> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[04:54:16] <Skipp_OSX> well that's where the code gets ugly[04:54:50] <Skipp_OSX> basically I have to ignore the first click only if I get another click of the other button in the threshold[04:56:06] <Skipp_OSX> I would have to setup a message runner or something like that I'm not sure[04:58:32] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[05:00:55] <Skipp_OSX> I might be able to check if buttons == 3 since that seems to happen[05:01:08] <Skipp_OSX> (even though it shouldn't be possible, it does)[05:02:44] <ohnx> nope no idea sorry :<[05:02:48] <ohnx> idk beos api[05:03:13] <ohnx> and gui programming is generally too much for my pea brain to understand... lol[05:03:16] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has joined #haiku[05:04:15] *** jp_ <jp_!8166fef9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.102.254.249> has joined #haiku[05:05:05] <Skipp_OSX> well, B_PRIMARY_MOUSE_BUTTON is 1 B_SECONDARY_MOUSE_BUTTON is 2 B_TERTIARY_MOUSE_BUTTON is 4[05:05:17] <Skipp_OSX> so idk what 3 is[05:05:22] <ohnx> LOL[05:05:33] <ohnx> just gonna hope that 3 has a meaning in the api? :p[05:06:01] <Skipp_OSX> 3 in binary is what? 11 so I guess that must be 1 | 2[05:06:24] <Skipp_OSX> 01 | 10[05:07:47] <ohnx> yes[05:07:49] <ohnx> that's true[05:09:42] <jp_> for develop, the best ide on haiku is paladin or heidi?[05:10:12] <ohnx> heh[05:10:14] <ohnx> > pe[05:11:48] <jp_> thanks,i look it[05:12:03] <Skipp_OSX> hmmm maybe I'm overthinking this[05:13:02] <ohnx> nah i think you were on a good track, thinking the 3 part :p[05:13:20] <ohnx> but an issue might be you have to press the buttons at /exactly/ the same time[05:13:54] <Skipp_OSX> well, that's what I mean, I consistently get 3 when I push both buttons[05:14:08] <Skipp_OSX> let me test some more[05:14:39] *** Sorch <Sorch!~sorch@unaffiliated/sorch> has quit IRC (Disconnected by services)[05:15:06] <Skipp_OSX> yeah I do... problem is, I get 1 or 2 first[05:15:27] <ohnx> put a delay on when all mosue buttons get pressed! :p[05:16:00] <Skipp_OSX> ohnx: well... I mean that is the solution[05:16:30] <ohnx> Skipp_OSX: do you, by chance, have a 2-button mouse?[05:16:41] <Skipp_OSX> well, no, I have a 1 button mouse[05:16:52] <Skipp_OSX> I mean I have a 3 button mouse too[05:17:43] <Skipp_OSX> I really only care about 1 button case, but, the 2 button case is for completeness[05:18:14] <Skipp_OSX> unfortunately it is really hard to get right, maybe not worth it[05:18:16] *** jp_ <jp_!8166fef9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.102.254.249> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[05:19:03] <Skipp_OSX> if it were to be done though, this is how you'd have to do it[05:19:25] <ohnx> heh[05:23:29] <Skipp_OSX> it works, but, if your view can accept a primary mouse button, secondary mouse button, and tertiary mouse button, you can't get it to accept the tertiary mouse button without also getting either a primary or a secondary first[05:23:47] <ohnx> then make it the view's problem! :p[05:24:24] <Skipp_OSX> well, the view is not suppose to be aware that you are emulating a 3 button mouse[05:24:42] <Skipp_OSX> all the view knows is, you pushed primary, secondary, or tertiary[05:26:01] <Skipp_OSX> I feel like maybe this is a bug in the mouse driver though[05:27:27] <ohnx> heh[05:27:35] <ohnx> the rabbit hole deepens[05:27:51] <Skipp_OSX> well, it shouldn't be sending 1 and then 3[05:27:57] <Skipp_OSX> I could see it send 1 and then 2[05:28:02] <Skipp_OSX> but not 1 then 3[05:29:31] <Skipp_OSX> it should either send 1 then 2 ( or 2 then 1 ) or just 3[05:34:29] <Premislaus> Skipp_OSX: There is no possible to change size of icons in Deskabr tray?[05:34:48] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, you mean the replicant icons?[05:35:04] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, not at this time, no[05:35:12] <Premislaus> yes[05:35:15] <Skipp_OSX> It would be nice I admit[05:35:34] <ohnx> /me adds it to the todo list[05:36:28] <Premislaus> Skipp_OSX: I'm also missing knob styles and MacOS decorator - https://insightfactory.tumblr.com/image/154490468417[05:36:51] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, I know right[05:37:14] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, knob styles were vetoed by Philistines[05:38:01] <Skipp_OSX> MacOS decorator can exist if installed, but doesn't work quite right in all circumstances[05:38:21] <Premislaus> Skipp_OSX: Who?![05:38:58] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, the source needs to get taken out of tree and put in a package, but, nobody has done that work yet[05:40:49] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, sorry, I meant philistine "a person who is hostile or indifferent to culture and the arts, or who has no understanding of them." not Philistine "a member of a non-Semitic people of ancient southern Palestine, who came into conflict with the Israelites during the 12th and 11th centuries BC."[05:41:58] <Premislaus> Skipp_OSX: I know who are the Philistines, I live in a Christian country.[05:42:20] <Premislaus> Skipp_OSX: I wonder who does not like knob styles.[05:42:24] <FlyingJester> Are you sure it wasn't Luddites?[05:42:37] <FlyingJester> Knobs, like circuler knob styles? Those are...weird...[05:43:02] *** _Dario <_Dario!vision@190.55.159.221> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[05:44:11] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, long ago it was rejected when I submitted code to fix https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/9137[05:44:55] <Skipp_OSX> I don't remember the particulars involved, but, there was a strong enough consensus against the change that it was rejected and reverted[05:45:41] <Skipp_OSX> I think the mistake I made was to keep the dots style as the default... I say keep because I didn't actually change the style, that is the default style since BeOS R5[05:45:54] <Skipp_OSX> but it was perceived as a change, and an unwelcome one[05:46:22] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-weyihmzwhqglmmny> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[05:46:55] <Skipp_OSX> I might be able to get away with it if I were to make the default knob style as the one with no dots or lines, just plain like now[05:49:15] <Skipp_OSX> but, you know, knob style are not exactly critical functionality[05:52:35] <Premislaus> Skipp_OSX: I think thins not look good - https://dev.haiku-os.org/attachment/ticket/11636/Haiku%20Dark%20Theme.png - especially Deskbar.[05:53:10] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, it has some obvious problems yes[05:53:36] <Skipp_OSX> you don't like black text on black background?[05:55:06] <Premislaus> Skipp_OSX: No, and The Leaf looks ugly.[05:55:17] <Skipp_OSX> That screenshot came out of some work that Duggan did to make dark colors work better and then subsequently lost all the code :([05:55:37] <Premislaus> Skipp_OSX: Look at Dark Breeze form KDE - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHISC_pWkAAwngy.png , https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-NtEmBtkXCmE/VBcFQIzEbKI/AAAAAAAACks/sVXr8MoHySo/w506-h285/snapshot_HZW629.png[05:55:56] <Premislaus> *from[05:56:14] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, oh yeah that is much better[05:56:33] <Premislaus> or Ark Dark http://entornosgnulinux.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Arc-Dark.jpg[05:57:08] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, that is the kind of thing I'd like to see happen for Haiku[05:57:26] <Premislaus> Skipp_OSX: Maybe you will find here the inspiration - https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/[05:58:40] <FlyingJester> I'm expecting lots of CDE on that.[05:58:55] <FlyingJester> CDE on Haiku when? :P[05:59:13] <Premislaus> Skipp_OSX: https://depot.haiku-os.org/#/pkg/weather/haikuports/0/1/1_git/-/4/x86_64?bcguid=bc785-FQUV - Weather replicant with transparency will be so good![06:00:18] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, it does look pretty good I commented that on github[06:01:13] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, replicants can be transparent, for instance DeskCalc is transparent[06:04:52] <Premislaus> Skipp_OSX: What do you think about automatic night and day mode - https://gfycat.com/FrayedEverlastingAplomadofalcon??[06:04:57] <Skipp_OSX> looking at the click count confirms the bug... it sends 2 mouse down but clicks is 1[06:06:09] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-5.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[06:06:29] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, I think that changing the white point of the display can be really nice UI[06:06:55] <Skipp_OSX> I use f.lux and love it, and apparently Night Shift is coming to OS X 10.3[06:07:01] <Skipp_OSX> 10.13*[06:08:23] <Premislaus> Skipp_OSX: I proposed on the Forum some competition - Default Wallpapers for Haiku - look https://gfycat.com/HospitableCandidCanadagoose[06:09:06] <Premislaus> https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/reviving-the-community/4915[06:09:11] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, we need Wallpapers for R1[06:13:36] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-5.moscow.rt.ru> has joined #haiku[06:14:26] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, we need lots of assets for R1[06:17:21] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-5.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[06:19:28] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, one of my many crazy ideas is to include an intro video on first boot like this: https://insightfactory.tumblr.com/post/156342279499/this-is-an-idea-to-have-an-intro-video-that-plays[06:19:54] <Skipp_OSX> perhaps something a little nicer than that one but it gives you the idea[06:21:08] <Skipp_OSX> something short, but, stylish to add a little pizzaz to R1 release[06:23:23] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-5.moscow.rt.ru> has joined #haiku[06:26:54] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, some nice Desktop backgrounds would also be great[06:32:04] <Duggan> ugh[06:32:32] <Duggan> hejsan all... Skipp_OSX, Premislaus, etc[06:33:06] <Duggan> Skipp_OSX I might have that code around here somewhere... I'll have to look through[06:33:18] <Duggan> though*[06:33:50] <Duggan> (I actually just set my computer up kinda like that yesterday with the appearances settings[06:34:03] <Duggan> it's actually kinda funny how similar they look lol[06:37:31] <Duggan> pretty sure none of my code ever made it into how it's setup now though... oh well[06:41:47] *** korli <korli!c299d9e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.153.217.230> has joined #haiku[06:43:43] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, it still needs work though I assume[06:44:01] <Premislaus> Morning Duggan (6:43 am here). How many lines of code your lost?[06:45:37] <Premislaus> Duggan: This intro looks good. I want it for boot process. This looks a like some console - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9Ln-qyvX_I[06:45:50] <Premislaus> *Skipp_OSX[06:46:38] <Duggan> Premislaus how many lines? in the last week? probably a few thousand[06:46:46] <Skipp_OSX> same basic idea[06:47:29] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, he means lines lost worked on dark theme[06:47:29] <Premislaus> Wow Duggan And what program you wanted to do?[06:47:34] <Premislaus> Ahh[06:48:22] * Premislaus Thinks that Duggan should perform some serious talk with axled :P[06:48:32] <Duggan> Premislaus I was working on an AI program and the source files got corrupted[06:49:16] <Duggan> there's no telling how much was changed for the dark theme, there were minute changes throughout the userland code[06:49:19] <korli> Skipp_OSX: did you get the virtualbox kernel driver working?[06:49:43] <Premislaus> Duggan: I thinks its better that this code is gone, we don't need Skynet ;)[06:49:44] <Skipp_OSX> korli, no never did[06:49:44] <Duggan> even the app_server needed some changes[06:49:51] <Duggan> Premislaus yes we do :'([06:49:54] <Duggan> well, *I* do...[06:50:03] <Premislaus> For what :>?[06:50:12] <Duggan> to take over the world, of course![06:50:13] <Duggan> :P[06:50:19] <Premislaus> :)[06:50:20] <Duggan> what a silly question![06:51:10] <Duggan> I do plan on going back to it eventually, but I think for now I'll probably make a few changes to PIT[06:51:22] <Duggan> have you tried PIT yet, Premislaus? :P[06:51:31] <korli> Skipp_OSX: sorry mixed up nicknames[06:51:44] <Premislaus> Duggan: Why do you not used Google Drive for code storage?[06:51:48] <Premislaus> Or Dropbox[06:52:03] <Duggan> because I don't necessarily want all of my code to be out there[06:52:14] <Duggan> especially when I haven't cleaned it up[06:52:50] <Duggan> yes, most of it I plan to open source eventually (like PIT) some of it is just for fun for me (like the AI program)[06:53:18] <Premislaus> Duggan: He was a Haiku user - https://github.com/ksiazkowicz/orphilia-dropbox -[06:53:53] <Premislaus> Maybe this works on Haiku?[06:54:17] <Duggan> it's python and shell scripting, so it probably is[06:54:23] <Duggan> probably does*[06:54:38] <Skipp_OSX> alright, I have to go now, later all[06:54:43] <Duggan> later Skipp_OSX[06:54:51] <Premislaus> Wow, we need this on Haiku - https://github.com/ksiazkowicz/schopenhauer !!! "multiplayer hangman game with Schopenhauers quotes"[06:55:02] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@97-113-101-129.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[06:55:11] <Duggan> we already have a hangman game :P[06:55:27] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[06:55:37] <Premislaus> but without multiplayer and Schopenhauers quotes, our hangman is literally unusable[06:56:41] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:57:00] <Duggan> sure it is :P[06:57:13] <Duggan> ever played Haiku hangman? :P[06:57:17] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[06:57:45] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-100-143.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[06:58:32] <Premislaus> Duggan: No, Haiku games are "meh". I like only Pairs.[06:59:10] <Duggan> not hangman ;)[06:59:13] <Premislaus> Duggan: This is not funny. When you have KDL then you can play in Hangman :>[06:59:19] <Duggan> yes! :D[06:59:39] <Duggan> alt+sysreq+D[06:59:39] <Premislaus> Duggan: I know some word from Reddit "sickfuck" :P[06:59:50] <Duggan> that's two words :P[07:00:01] <Duggan> the latter being an expletive[07:00:17] <Premislaus> Somone describes some person in this manner.[07:00:27] <Duggan> (on laptop keyboards sysreq = fn+print screen)[07:00:50] <Duggan> Premislaus yes, but it is not said in polite company :P[07:01:33] <Premislaus> I think this was be on Cringe Anarchy[07:02:36] <Premislaus> Thanks to Reddit I'm getting to know American culture.[07:02:40] *** Nach0z <Nach0z!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[07:02:50] <Premislaus> And language.[07:04:08] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@118.149.153.219> has joined #haiku[07:08:26] <Duggan> yeah, not a very good place to learn such things[07:10:01] <Premislaus> Duggan: I like this book - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walden[07:12:37] <Premislaus> Duggan: I'm using also Urban Dictionary.[07:15:16] *** Nach0z <Nach0z!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has joined #haiku[07:16:22] <Duggan> have you considered learning English as spoken by real people? :P[07:16:33] *** FlyingJester <FlyingJester!~Kashyyyk@2602:306:31c4:2820::3e9> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:16:40] <Premislaus> Thah I'm using IRC :)[07:19:39] *** FlyingJester <FlyingJester!~Kashyyyk@2602:306:31c4:2820::3e9> has joined #haiku[07:27:24] *** prOSy_n8Ly <prOSy_n8Ly!~prOSy@p5B087CA2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[07:27:28] <prOSy_n8Ly> hi[07:27:54] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-100-143.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[07:30:12] <Duggan> hey prOSy_n8Ly[07:31:22] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d8590f1.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[07:31:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[07:31:51] <Duggan> hejsan humdinger[07:32:04] <humdinger> huzzah, Duggan![07:32:35] <humdinger> flooded by my issues for PIM yet?[07:32:36] <Duggan> so I just pulled the little sources I had from the failed Paragraph project onto this computer...[07:32:49] <Duggan> you mean PIT?[07:33:04] <humdinger> ah. yes. PIT[07:33:23] <humdinger> "The PIT of hell"[07:34:08] <Duggan> lol[07:34:12] <Duggan> no, looking at them now[07:34:17] <humdinger> hey, I made an icon for it. Wanna see?[07:34:28] <Duggan> I did too, but by all means :)[07:34:39] <humdinger> It incorporates what I think should be the tag line for PIT:[07:34:56] <humdinger> "Got an issue? Here's a tissue."[07:34:59] <humdinger> http://ctrlv.in/919713[07:35:23] <Duggan> I already had #6 planned some years back[07:35:47] <Duggan> rofl did you really just make that for PIT?[07:35:51] <humdinger> #6 seems to be the most straight forward to implement...[07:35:55] <humdinger> yes.[07:36:07] <humdinger> you don't have to take it, of course :)[07:36:18] <humdinger> there are other uses for tissues.[07:36:27] <humdinger> may add a hand creme too...[07:36:33] <Duggan> lol[07:36:55] <Duggan> I'm not sure the tagline really.... fits... lol[07:37:13] <Duggan> I like it, it's witty... I may need to use that for something else... lol[07:37:14] <humdinger> Buh hu[07:37:18] <OmniMancer> why would there be issues with protocol independent multicast? :P[07:37:33] <Duggan> lol[07:38:23] <Duggan> humdinger I'm also going to split the ticket details up into individual transactions like in Trac... GitHub does the same, but GitHub also has an API I can interface with to synch issues ;)[07:38:26] <humdinger> I hve a few short updates for some tickets. adding them...[07:38:32] <Duggan> sync*[07:38:48] <humdinger> ... as soon as web+ lets me[07:39:25] <Duggan> I also plan on implementing "blocking" and "blocked by" features, plus diagramming such dependencies[07:39:55] <humdinger> you mean to have a kind of history by "locking" down the contents of the title and just add updates below it?[07:40:01] <Duggan> yep[07:41:06] <humdinger> Like it in general, but would also keep beingable to edit the old text.[07:41:14] <Duggan> I probably will[07:41:36] <Duggan> because you may have a list of things you want to keep track of that may change[07:41:50] <humdinger> yes. and think of all my typos...[07:41:58] <Duggan> and of course keep a history on those changes too[07:43:22] <Duggan> I wouldn't mind adding some graphs to show activity too... would just be neat to see how things change over time[07:43:22] <humdinger> great. even restarting web+ doesn't unfreeze it...[07:43:38] <humdinger> first things first.[07:43:38] <Duggan> you sure the team died before you restarted?[07:43:58] <humdinger> the window title has been waiting for months...[07:44:08] <Duggan> years* :P[07:44:09] <humdinger> yes. left the Deskbar at least[07:44:13] <humdinger> OMG[07:44:19] <Duggan> about 7 of them :P[07:44:47] <humdinger> dare I ask about the parser?[07:45:33] <humdinger> hey, qupzilla is dead too[07:45:47] *** [JJ]Albert <[JJ]Albert!~Albert@2602:306:3bf2:b330:7c17:7588:1620:c9ee> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[07:45:55] <Duggan> I have a dozen or more projects I work on and I'll work on one for a while, then switch to another... no progress lately on the parser (just lost a week's worth of code with the AI program I was writing) but I'll get back around to the parser soon probably[07:46:48] <humdinger> the dog ate your AI?[07:46:57] <Duggan> we need better dev tools...[07:47:02] <Duggan> actually a hard Haiku crash did[07:47:06] <Premislaus> humdinger: BFS corruption.[07:47:10] <Duggan> didn't even KDL... just hung[07:47:27] <humdinger> oh right I read that.[07:47:39] <Duggan> KDL = reacharound.... and I didn't even get that... :/[07:48:18] * Premislaus This happened after he say on IRC to me: "that's what I mean when I say "when I use Haiku, I USE Haiku".[07:48:43] <Duggan> I do... and that's the consequences of using a prebeta OS[07:48:50] <Duggan> stuff breaks[07:49:11] <Duggan> guess what... it's better it breaks in alpha than post-release :P[07:49:30] <humdinger> stresses the need for regular backups and pushing to the repo.[07:49:39] <Duggan> it wasn't in a repo[07:49:49] <Duggan> I write a loooot of code that never sees the light of day[07:49:50] <humdinger> that was the first mistake.[07:50:00] <Duggan> not really, it was never intended to be public[07:50:09] <Duggan> I may have released it eventually but it was just me having fun[07:50:31] <humdinger> you'll probably be much faster when rewriting it.[07:50:36] <humdinger> and have better code.[07:50:44] <Duggan> and it certainly wouldn't have been released in the state it was in.... messy as hell... a week straight coding sprint with little regard for cleanliness[07:50:52] <humdinger> "Thanks for crashing, Haiku!"[07:51:10] <Duggan> probably, especially knowing what I need to look out for.... but it really did come together very nicely... would have been finished in a couple more days[07:52:56] <Duggan> I also copied over my PIT file for PIT.... except apparently you can't load PIT files from 32 bit systems on 64 bit builds[07:53:12] <Duggan> so I'll have to manually reenter the still open tickets[07:53:32] <humdinger> I think I lost my DNS server. resetting network. I may be gone in a second...[07:53:38] <Duggan> aight[07:53:52] * humdinger holds his nose. deep breath...[07:54:11] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d8590f1.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[07:54:53] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d8590f1.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[07:54:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[07:55:08] <humdinger> didn't work. reboot is faster...[07:59:46] *** [JJ]Albert <[JJ]Albert!~Albert@2602:306:3bf2:b330:8de:733:8d5f:4ab4> has joined #haiku[07:59:53] <Duggan> hehe[08:02:03] <korli> hi humdinger[08:02:12] <Duggan> hej korli[08:02:26] <humdinger> hullo korli![08:04:27] <Duggan> I stand corrected... apparently I CAN open old PIT files with PIT :P[08:06:00] <humdinger> that should save you some work.[08:07:49] <Duggan> yep... I need to work on the MIMEtype stuff and double click to open and all that... PIT crashes when you double click a file[08:10:49] <humdinger> not here.[08:11:03] <humdinger> or you mean a 32bit file on 64bit PIT[08:13:07] <Duggan> let me check[08:13:34] <Duggan> it must be a 64 bit issue[08:13:56] <Duggan> other files I created with 64 bit PIT also crash when I double click... let me make sure they're not associated with the wrong bin...[08:14:37] <Duggan> yep, doesn't work[08:19:37] *** skbot9871 <skbot9871!~soakbot@ec2-54-162-30-243.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[08:19:55] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-159-177-126.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[08:19:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[08:20:59] <korli> what is PIT?[08:21:39] <humdinger> korli: https://github.com/DeweyTaylor/PersonalIssueTracker[08:22:49] <korli> who is DeweyTaylor?[08:23:04] <humdinger> some guy...[08:23:11] <humdinger> it's Duggan :)[08:24:57] <Duggan> :P[08:25:04] <Premislaus> humdinger: I typed "duggan github" and scrolled many pages to find his github, but he is "Dewey Taylor.[08:25:14] <Duggan> lol[08:25:39] <humdinger> so... "Duggan"...[08:25:45] <humdinger> not your real nemae, eh?[08:25:51] <humdinger> *name[08:27:14] <Duggan> nope[08:27:30] <Premislaus> What means "Duggan"?[08:27:36] <Duggan> something tells me it's fairly likely that "humdinger" isn't your real name... or maybe your mother hated you...[08:27:42] <FlyingJester> I expected your name to be Doug, and your last initial to be N.[08:27:53] <FlyingJester> DougN, Duggan[08:27:59] <Duggan> lol no, but it's kind of related to that in a way[08:27:59] <humdinger> Duggan: that's not an either or question.[08:28:08] <Duggan> lol[08:28:32] <Duggan> ok here's the story... Duggan is one of several parts of my full pseudonym, which I won't get into at this point in time...[08:28:42] <korli> humdinger: I think you spam PIT with issues :)[08:28:57] <humdinger> korli: Duggan asked for it. :)[08:29:02] <Duggan> Duggan actually is a misremembered spelling of (though still the same name) Dougan, a character in a game I grew up playing, Tyrian[08:29:09] <humdinger> that'll have him think twice the next time...[08:29:12] <Duggan> korli I did ask for it :)[08:29:17] <Duggan> humdinger nope :)[08:29:38] <Duggan> (Tyrian.... before it became OpenTyrian)[08:30:29] <FlyingJester> Fun fact, my real name is Flyathan G. Jesterson[08:30:47] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[08:31:34] <Duggan> PIT is actually the only program I've ever publicly released in any way, not to mention as open source... besides software I was paid to write which will probably never see the light of day either lol[08:32:08] <Duggan> so the more people that use it and give me feedback, chances are, I'll be more active in keeping it updated[08:32:16] <Duggan> which I'm presently working on...[08:32:29] <humdinger> FlyingJester: thought it was Flyathan Jesterson McGee...[08:32:55] <humdinger> Duggan: looking forward to it![08:33:06] <FlyingJester> Well, I used to lie and say it was Flyward S. Jestberg.[08:33:52] <Duggan> humdinger first things first, preventing this crashing issue in x86_64[08:34:10] <Duggan> then probably icons and whatnot (already made some, just need to figure out how resource files work :P)[08:34:34] <Duggan> I do like that tissue box though... maybe I can use it on the help bug as a link to file bugs on GitHub...[08:34:47] <Duggan> help screen*[08:34:55] <Duggan> my message was buggy :P[08:35:23] <Premislaus> 6 commits but 14 issues.[08:35:57] <Duggan> what the hell is the API call for a message box in Haiku? it's not friggin documented in the BeBook that I can find... I know I've got it laying around here somewhere in some code but I can't bloody well find it...[08:36:09] <humdinger> Duggan: I can attach the IOM file to an issue.[08:36:32] <humdinger> an BAlert?[08:36:38] <Duggan> HVIF, sure :)[08:36:43] <Duggan> oi.... thank you :)[08:36:52] <humdinger> very welcome.[08:38:41] <Premislaus> Duggan: I think PTI should be integrated with Calendar. You can falsify your ID and take the GSoC idea "Calendar application" https://www.haiku-os.org/community/gsoc/2017/ideas/[08:38:45] <Premislaus> *PIT[08:40:09] <Duggan> Premislaus as previously stated, I also brought over what code I had for the failed Paragraph project.... which is virtually none.... but still, I would like to work on it again one day[08:40:20] <Duggan> part of that being a Calendar program[08:42:24] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[08:44:45] * Premislaus lol this is a real word - http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=humdinger[08:45:26] <humdinger> Of course I'm real.[08:45:28] * humdinger pouts[08:45:46] * Premislaus top definition[08:45:55] <Duggan> 4th definition[08:46:01] <humdinger> the urban dictionary wouldn't be the first address for me...[08:46:47] <Duggan> or 5 or 7[08:46:55] <Premislaus> Duggan: \_(ツ)_/¯[08:46:59] <Duggan> humdinger yeah but that's Premislaus[08:47:31] <Duggan> humdinger he learns English via studying reddit and urbandictionary..... there's really a problem with that in my opinion, but whatever...[08:47:57] <humdinger> Premislaus: please record your first job interview abroad.[08:48:03] <Duggan> rofl[08:48:05] <Premislaus> Duggan: And speaking on IRC.[08:48:14] <Duggan> Premislaus that's tertiary :P[08:48:45] <Duggan> perhaps if I use enough big words, you'll have to go to a real dictionary for once :P[08:51:02] <Duggan> like.... vestigial.... anthropomorphic... satisfice... laparoscopic inguinal hernioplasty...[08:51:32] <humdinger> Took you a bit to find your dictionary there, eh? :P[08:51:45] <Duggan> no, just trying to think of sufficiently large words[08:51:52] <Duggan> for whatever reason, not coming to mind tonight[08:51:52] <FlyingJester> Should be playing bomb party with words like that :P[08:51:52] <Premislaus> humdinger: This is a good idea (maybe I earn some money on YT from adverts). Someone once tried to get a job in IT, in London. They asked him by e-mail, if he do not mind that it is multiculturalism (Polish biggot stereotype). He answer, for joking - He is aware that there are other species of people.[08:52:24] <Duggan> lol[08:52:59] <humdinger> That job in London wouldn't have a future anyway...[08:53:06] <Premislaus> yes[08:53:29] <Duggan> or maybe we could argue the finer points of the usage of "homogenous" vs "homogeneous"[08:56:32] <humdinger> why this fixtion on the gays? :D[08:56:48] *** [Beta] <[Beta]!~beta@steamdb/johndrinkwater.name> has joined #haiku[08:57:48] *** johndrinkwater <johndrinkwater!~beta@steamdb/johndrinkwater.name> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[08:58:44] <Duggan> humdinger, ever drank milk?[08:59:02] <humdinger> Almost every day.[08:59:09] <humdinger> It's good for the bones, they say.[08:59:13] <Duggan> bug report: I explicitly pick the executable to open a file with, yet for whatever reason app_server is looking for a different executable elsewhere[08:59:54] <Duggan> none of which programs listed are programs I intend to open the file with :/[09:00:15] <humdinger> in the Open with... sub-menu?[09:00:53] <Duggan> yeah, doesn't list PIT anywhere... especially not the one I intend to open the file with[09:01:25] <humdinger> maybe PIT isn't in the mime_db?[09:02:08] <Duggan> apparently my "InstallMimeType()" function isn't being called or isn't working properly...[09:03:11] <Premislaus> Duggan: I found a new source for my lessons. Encyclopedia Dramatica (try OpenBSD) ans various Linux and BSD mailing list. What a metaphor from Theo de Raadt - https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119318909016582[09:03:27] <humdinger> Don't you just use an rdef to define the supported types?[09:04:21] <Duggan> humdinger https://github.com/DeweyTaylor/PersonalIssueTracker/blob/master/app.cpp#L45[09:05:45] <Duggan> probably not the proper way to do it, but I believe it worked before[09:05:49] *** iMe <iMe!~iMe@94.136.92.20> has joined #haiku[09:06:00] <humdinger> Duggan: I'd take me a while to parse that. I'm not that good a programmer...[09:06:11] <humdinger> the rdef way seems easier to me.[09:06:22] <Duggan> I'll have to look into it[09:07:22] <humdinger> Just so I understand: does your code just set the MIME type in the mime_db or does it write to the PIT binary?[09:08:22] <humdinger> just as example: https://github.com/HaikuArchives/Paladin/blob/master/Paladin/Paladin.rdef#L17[09:12:36] <Duggan> writes to the mime_db[09:13:11] <humdinger> that should work then. I was worried about the binary being read-only in PM.[09:15:30] <Duggan> BMimeType::SetAppHint() and BMimeType::SetPreferredApp() functions are the ones that do it[09:18:53] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[09:20:01] <Duggan> at least it's supposed to... it's not though...[09:21:31] <Premislaus> humdinger: I think this is a problem with our network stack - https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13244 - I'm observing something similar, Web+ freezes for many seconds, also pkgman, but without cpu utilization.[09:21:46] *** knarfy <knarfy!~knarf@81-64-93-195.rev.numericable.fr> has joined #haiku[09:21:47] <jessicah> there are some issues relating to mime_db being managed by packagefs[09:22:06] <humdinger> Duggan: maybe compare to e.g. http://xref.plausible.coop/source/xref/haiku/src/apps/icon-o-matic/IconEditorApp.cpp#388[09:22:32] <jessicah> I've tried to argue that mime_db shouldn't be packaged, but updated on package install/uninstall[09:23:04] <jessicah> I may just go ahead and work on that in a branch at some point[09:23:10] <Duggan> so how are developers supposed to write and test software if they can't manage mimetypes?[09:23:10] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[09:23:30] <jessicah> some things kind of work[09:23:31] <Duggan> I mean... is the API outright broken? because my mimetypes aren't being set :/[09:23:44] <jessicah> they aren't? :o[09:23:50] <Duggan> nope[09:24:03] <Duggan> please see above for link to the function that's supposed to do it[09:25:00] <jessicah> yeah I saw[09:25:18] <jessicah> does it give an error? or just silently fail?[09:25:37] <Premislaus> jessicah: There is a problem with mimetypes. I can't manage or create symlink: .xm files to MilkyTracker. Because packages are readonly, see - https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13225[09:25:47] <Duggan> silent... runs fine, does nothing....[09:26:06] <jessicah> Duggan: okay, I'll add to my list of things to work on :)[09:26:10] <Duggan> thank you :)[09:26:25] <Duggan> I mean if you see something wrong with my code, by all means let me know[09:26:33] <jessicah> Premislaus: yeah, there are other related tickets as well[09:26:40] *** iMe <iMe!~iMe@94.136.92.20> has quit IRC (Quit: ZZZzzz…)[09:26:47] <Duggan> may be something I'm doing wrong.... but it worked 7 years ago (pre-packagemanagement)[09:28:00] <Duggan> (it did work once apparently, but I deleted that executable because I wanted to change the program that loaded it... now I can't find the mimetype in FileTypes and when asked for the application to open with, it won't list my program[09:28:05] <Duggan> )[09:29:18] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[09:29:36] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[09:38:39] *** begasus <begasus!~begasus@ptr-4p6jpin4gtlu9kmumdn.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[09:38:50] <begasus> morning all[09:38:56] *** begasus is now known as Begasus[09:39:16] <Duggan> greetings, Begasus[09:39:20] <prOSy_n8Ly> hi Begasus[09:39:43] <Begasus> hi Duggan[09:39:50] <Begasus> moin prOSy_n8Ly[09:40:49] <Duggan> jessicah oh it's complaining the executable is not an executable :P[09:42:02] <jessicah> so you fixed it?[09:42:51] <Duggan> er yeah? like just did... er not sure that it's "fixed" but it works on my machine :P[09:43:39] * Duggan tries to remember what he did...[09:44:40] <Duggan> in part, I manually created and afterwards deleted (manually) a mimetype in FileTypes, but never figured out how to specify exactly what the text of it was supposed to be...[09:49:47] <Begasus> chmod it Duggan (or check it with fileinfo?) :P[09:55:47] <Duggan> Begasus no clue what happened, but it's gone now.... I'm probably not going to worry about it again until it acts up for me or someone else complains about it :P[09:55:49] *** Muzer <Muzer!~muzer@tim32.org> has joined #haiku[09:56:12] <Duggan> humdinger (as per #13) I don't think there was even a checkbox list item back then, thanks for the idea though lol[10:00:34] <Duggan> but I've added all your tickets to my master PIT file[10:00:47] <Duggan> and I have a few of my own to add... hehehehehehehehehe.... oh this is gonna be classic ;)[10:02:41] *** eschatologist <eschatologist!~chanson@c-73-189-131-221.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[10:02:57] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:04:58] <Premislaus> BTW Do you know some good book for learning c++?[10:05:33] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p2003005B441FBD00022314FFFEAF6410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[10:05:59] <Premislaus> Excluding yab this is the only language with api bindings?[10:06:43] <Duggan> Premislaus yes, as far as I know[10:07:48] <Premislaus> I have some old and lame book, "Learn C++ in 24 hours", but there is no namespace::std (whatever it is), and only iostream.h.[10:07:52] <Duggan> Premislaus https://www.haiku-os.org/development/learning_to_program_with_haiku[10:08:04] <Duggan> Premislaus yes there is :)[10:09:08] <Premislaus> Duggan: Anythin more detailed, like FreeBSD handbook?[10:09:46] * Premislaus I want to print it, before installation, but there is 700-800 pages.[10:09:56] <Duggan> Premislaus if you want to learn c++, that's a good place to start...[10:10:47] <Premislaus> Duggan: I want learn c++ better than English.[10:11:01] <Duggan> Premislaus the print the FreeBSD handbook :P[10:11:13] <Duggan> you have to start small and gain an understanding as you go[10:11:31] <Duggan> once you learn how to make a simple program you can learn ways to do more things[10:11:36] <Premislaus> Duggan: I must to talk with Vidrep, https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/[10:11:52] <Duggan> eventually you learn enough ways, but most importantly, you learn how to learn... and you learn where to look to learn[10:11:52] <Premislaus> He has house full o printers and cartridges[10:12:55] <Duggan> nobody, and I mean nobody that's ever written code for Haiku.... even the guy that wrote the API code... can write a working GUI application from scratch without referring to some form of documentation (probably the BeBook)[10:13:09] <Duggan> (and no one guy wrote the API)[10:13:10] *** eschatologist <eschatologist!~chanson@2601:646:8c00:6dca:83b4:fe68:d468:a6ce> has joined #haiku[10:14:00] <Duggan> let me rephrase what I said, it was a little ambiguous... "nobody that's ever written code for Haiku... and I mean NOBODY..."[10:14:01] <Premislaus> Duggan: This guy who make that Orphillia, he once printed all of the Xorg documentation.[10:14:11] <Premislaus> 24 pounds of weight[10:14:56] <Duggan> Premislaus you asked for a way to learn c++, I provided it.... you can use that route if you like, or not, that's your decision.... all I can do is help as best as I can[10:15:08] <Premislaus> Duggan: Thank you :).[10:15:16] <Duggan> but you don't learn by reading books... you learn by writing code and using books for reference[10:15:34] <Duggan> (that's what I meant by "learning how to learn")[10:15:55] <Premislaus> Duggan: Once I wrote CLI game, with pc speaker music - I had old DOS compiler with help and code samples.[10:16:02] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[10:16:14] <Premislaus> Duggan: But I really like Qbasic.[10:16:35] <Duggan> I liked qbasic too, but you said you wanted to learn c++[10:16:54] <Premislaus> But I had to quit school and already not returned.[10:17:07] <Premislaus> Duggan: Because I want make software for Haiku.[10:17:09] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has joined #haiku[10:17:51] <Duggan> Premislaus then look at the documents where I sent the link[10:18:34] <Duggan> but you don't learn to program by reading books... you HAVE to write code[10:31:40] <Premislaus> This was a game written in C++, also complex calculators.[10:32:44] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)[10:33:31] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@150.237.94.36> has joined #haiku[10:33:42] <Premislaus> Duggan: I'm not that dumb, but I do not see a some kind of sense. Curenlly I'm jobless. But when I'm going to job, its a work for 12 hours.[10:34:49] <Duggan> Premislaus then start a few lessons in[10:35:11] <Duggan> it takes time and effort[10:36:17] <Duggan> or if you want to do it the hard way, download some code and start changing it and seeing what happens[10:36:21] <Premislaus> I learned qbasic, turbo pascal, something delphi, and c++ up to pointers, many years ago...[10:36:58] <Duggan> if you know c++ up to pointers, google "c++ pointer tutorial" and go from there[10:37:16] <Duggan> that's part of the "learning how to learn" thing I was talking about[10:37:37] <Premislaus> I do not remember, I was teen.[10:38:07] <Duggan> I've helped you all I can... what you choose to do now is up to you[10:38:35] <Duggan> once you've started writing code and are having troubles with something, I can help you more then[10:38:45] <Premislaus> I have some ideas like decorator à la Irix Desktop Environment or drivers for obscure VGA.[10:40:09] <Premislaus> Duggan: Thank you for talking. I must to leave home, currently...[10:40:23] <Duggan> take it easy, Premislaus[10:43:29] <humdinger> <Duggan> humdinger (as per #13) I don't think there was even a checkbox list item back then[10:43:34] <humdinger> there still isn't.[10:43:44] <humdinger> that was just a mockup :)[10:44:29] <humdinger> I guess it doesn't have to be a list view, just some checkboxes aligned in a grid layout[10:45:31] <Duggan> humdinger lol alright[10:46:10] <Duggan> I think there's some sort of a treelistview out there, and I'm sure you can do some multiple inheritance from a listviewitem and checkbox[10:46:26] <Duggan> if not, that'll be significantly more complex[10:47:47] <humdinger> I dunno. or you have to draw your checkbox yourself.[10:48:08] <humdinger> that would solve the "partly checked options" I used the "o" for.[10:49:34] <Duggan> BOutlineListView is the treelistview class[10:49:58] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[10:50:14] <Duggan> I may have to overload both to be able to do it... I remember having to dive into the BOutlineListView class code for something a long time ago..... it was NOT pretty...[10:51:13] <humdinger> that grid layout doesn't sound that bad now...[10:51:46] <Duggan> I honestly don't know anything about the layout system... I played around with it a little long before it was stable, but that was about it[10:53:02] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p5DC222F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[10:53:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[10:53:35] <humdinger> sooner or later you'll have to.[10:54:21] <humdinger> I like it very much compared to the awful moving/resizing add and substract a few pixels here and there used before.[10:55:18] <Duggan> I know, I just haven't had to yet since it has matured[11:00:45] <Duggan> oooh I have an idea...[11:01:06] * humdinger takes cover[11:01:23] <Duggan> create a generic listview class that can take any BView as a child[11:02:09] <Duggan> probably wouldn't be that hard[11:03:48] <Duggan> of course that's probably already possible somehow...[11:04:30] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A292C2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[11:15:40] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:16:07] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> 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*** bitkid <bitkid!~bitkid@92.62.199.162> has joined #haiku[17:34:08] <Begasus> https://www.flickr.com/photos/begasus/32141530650/ :D[17:34:13] *** akirabit <akirabit!~a3@42.red-81-35-49.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has joined #haiku[17:34:49] <jessicah> eee! little pups[17:34:58] <humdinger> congratulations to the new papa![17:35:03] <jessicah> obviously been cleaned up already :p[17:35:14] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a4f2.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[17:35:43] <Begasus> thank humdinger :D[17:35:43] <humdinger> flickr apparently doesn't work with web+ and I only got a glimps with QupZilla before it crashed...[17:35:53] <Begasus> mom takes care of that jessicah ;)[17:36:02] <Begasus> :D[17:36:29] <jessicah> yeah :)[17:36:33] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[17:36:53] <jessicah> I've had kittens born in my bed, so I know just how slimy they are when born[17:37:15] <Begasus> wouldn't want them to be born in my bed here :P[17:37:28] <jessicah> :p[17:37:53] <jessicah> mini-boomer was born right next to me... was amazing[17:38:44] <jessicah> her mum, boomer, when started going into labour, came to bed and snuggled up under duvet at my feet[17:38:56] <jessicah> and during pregnancy, practically lived on my shoulders or lap[17:39:02] <jessicah> I miss original boomer :([17:39:37] *** xemdetia_ is now known as xemdetia[17:39:39] <humdinger> Boomer like Athena?[17:39:54] <jessicah> hmm?[17:40:10] <jessicah> oh, from BG? yeah[17:40:11] <humdinger> could be a Battlestar Galactica reference[17:40:17] <humdinger> ah.[17:40:31] <jessicah> I hand a temp mind-blank, then remembered another model was named Athena[17:40:32] <humdinger> so mini boomer is kinda a resurrection...[17:40:39] <jessicah> hehe ;)[17:41:19] <jessicah> I must watch BG again[17:41:30] <jessicah> I should also watch the original...[17:41:45] <humdinger> I recently did, but stopped at the end of series 3[17:41:53] <jessicah> how come?[17:41:58] <humdinger> that show took a wrong turn...[17:42:16] <humdinger> too much supernatural for my taste[17:42:27] <jessicah> heh[17:42:41] <jessicah> hmm, don't have a current copy of BG :([17:43:01] <jessicah> and only 1314MB free across two drives on my NAS :p[17:43:43] <humdinger> time for a spring cleaning. If you were on this hemisphere...[17:45:20] <jessicah> or a bigger hard drive...[17:45:22] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@2a00:f41:1c55:48d:2677:3ff:fe43:9358> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[17:49:56] *** korli <korli!c299d9e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.153.217.230> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[17:50:05] <jessicah> Begasus: do you raise & then sell them?[17:51:05] <Begasus> we breed them yes ;) (first litter from where the parents are from our own breeding) :)[17:51:40] <Begasus> we've got a few international ones already :)[17:52:07] <jessicah> (:[17:52:18] <jessicah> my mum used to raise border collies[17:52:33] <Begasus> that's why I din't have a chance to do something inside Haiku in the last days ;)[17:52:37] <Begasus> ah cool[17:52:39] <jessicah> got too old to continue[17:52:45] <jessicah> the dogs, that is :p[17:53:37] <Begasus> yep, at a certain age is over with breeding them ;) our oldest female only had 2 litters in her life (she'll be 10 this year)[17:54:25] <humdinger> wait a minute... can't you at one time replace old mummy dog and pimp a daughter?[17:56:24] *** xemdetia_ <xemdetia_!xemdetia@nat/ibm/x-kjoymdkatjeipsid> has joined #haiku[17:58:16] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@77.79.212.94> has joined #haiku[17:58:42] <jessicah> my parents sold all the puppies[17:59:00] <jessicah> and always ensured they were going to families with large properties, farms, etc.[17:59:05] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!xemdetia@nat/ibm/x-yncvqbfleseodcyw> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:59:34] * Begasus slaps humdinger (as DaaT isn't around) :P[17:59:35] <jessicah> so that they get well exercised and things of that sort[17:59:58] <Begasus> these pups are greatgrandchildren of our oldest female ;)[18:00:38] <Begasus> we don't sell all pups jessicah ;) some we keep ourselves, some remain in co-ownership :)[18:02:55] <Begasus> I study pedigrees of dogs more then I do with c++ :P[18:03:07] *** xemdetia_ is now known as xemdetia[18:06:12] <jessicah> :)[18:06:53] <jessicah> keeping two border collies was already enough work for my parents :p[18:07:12] *** geoid_ <geoid_!~geoid@95.131.217.194> has quit IRC (Quit: Be back later ...)[18:07:48] *** geoid_ <geoid_!~geoid@95.131.217.194> has joined #haiku[18:08:26] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[18:08:34] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[18:08:41] <miqlas> Begasus: you need to get a Puli: http://hu.itshungarian.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/08/L-M-Lujzi11H11.jpg[18:09:33] <humdinger> those smoke too much...[18:12:02] *** geoid_ <geoid_!~geoid@95.131.217.194> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:12:44] <Begasus> lo jessicah ... try that with 10 Huskies ;)[18:13:00] <Begasus> miqlas ... no pulli here :P[18:13:31] <jessicah> Begasus: heh, yeah, I'll leave that to you :p[18:15:39] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p5DC222F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: stippi)[18:18:24] <Begasus> jessicah, https://www.flickr.com/photos/begasus/15021355511/ ;)[18:19:23] <Begasus> https://www.flickr.com/photos/begasus/14837178060/ :)[18:23:53] <Barrett_> I still miss my husky, kukla[18:26:00] <jessicah> so many dogs...[18:26:08] <jessicah> and lol @ the husky on the table :)[18:31:19] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p2003005B441FBD00022314FFFEAF6410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[18:34:26] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[18:37:18] *** geoid_ <geoid_!~geoid@94.8.217.215> has joined #haiku[18:42:01] *** ppisati_ <ppisati_!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:42:08] *** ppisati <ppisati!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has joined #haiku[18:45:07] <Begasus> once you go husky you never go back ... it's not a dog, it's a Husky :D[18:46:11] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-85-197-25-171.netcologne.de> has joined 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the available mentors.[19:24:23] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: barrett * hrev50901 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=11ed4f9fa1a3+%5E0d47491d66fd[19:24:24] <HAIKU-irker458> 11ed4f9fa1a3: MediaRoster: Don't call NodeRegistered before FinishCreate[19:24:35] *** petterhj <petterhj!~Petter@cm-84.209.150.30.getinternet.no> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[19:25:47] *** petterhj <petterhj!~Petter@cm-84.209.150.30.getinternet.no> has joined #haiku[19:28:45] *** bitkid <bitkid!~bitkid@92.62.199.162> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[19:34:54] *** Guma <Guma!~Guma@c-73-211-254-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:35:26] <Begasus> we stick with the Husky here ... no dog can compete with their character :)[19:39:28] <miqlas-H64> Almost there: http://chunk.io/f/789250038f3e46b7a8104d5fe1dc5dce[19:40:22] <humdinger> miqlas-H64: Calibre, nice![19:40:38] <humdinger> It's a dreadful app, but the only one out there...[19:55:27] *** juafromspace <juafromspace!~jua@xdsl-89-0-232-206.netcologne.de> has joined #haiku[19:56:06] <humdinger> earth control to major juafromspace...[19:56:11] <miqlas-H64> Gyász! http://chunk.io/f/b3ce9103420e40a1a3dfde90a4a132f5[19:56:28] <juafromspace> humdinger, \o/[19:56:40] <humdinger> how you doin up there?[19:56:56] <juafromspace> oh, quite good[19:56:57] <juafromspace> you? ;)[19:57:12] <humdinger> well... gravity, you know...[19:58:08] <juafromspace> it has its ups and downs[19:58:35] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-85-197-25-171.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:58:46] <humdinger> and there's the re-entry.[19:59:17] *** juafromspace is now known as jua_[19:59:29] <jua_> always nice to be back[19:59:40] * humdinger gets a chair for jua_'s feeble legs[20:01:14] <miqlas-H64> Not impossible: http://chunk.io/f/2268ce8651be4146af6a1747a7899d20[20:01:37] *** HaikuUser3 <HaikuUser3!~vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[20:01:55] <jua_> miqlas-H64, neat[20:02:06] *** cancercake <cancercake!53fc52cf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.252.82.207> has joined #haiku[20:02:07] <humdinger> cool miqlas-H64. one less reason to boot Linux[20:02:24] <jua_> I see the Calibre GUI is still... featureful[20:02:38] <miqlas-H64> good question, what will happen, if i try to connect my ebook reader.[20:02:45] <humdinger> awful, more like.[20:03:08] <cancercake> hi guys, i was wondering what the status of sound and midi is?[20:03:23] <humdinger> I have no problem copying manually. it's the meta data and converting that it's good for.[20:03:41] <humdinger> sound and midi works for me.[20:04:25] <cancercake> @humdinger, does it only work with specific hardware?[20:05:04] <humdinger> yes. depends in the hardware. sound at least.[20:05:36] <humdinger> there are so many chipset variants though, that it's not easy to say what works and what doesn't.[20:05:42] *** hecliunyx <hecliunyx!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[20:05:49] <humdinger> best to try the nightly on a usb stick and find out[20:07:53] <cancercake> i have a sound blaster x-fi elite pro and a roland um-one mkii for midi. not sure if midi worked since i ran into dependency hell, but sound didn't seem to work[20:07:53] <cancercake> what sound card do you have?[20:08:08] <cancercake> i was using the nightly[20:08:21] <miqlas-H64> It is actually really fast, i haven't expected so good performance: http://chunk.io/f/46569a79be0d45b996ff83a618152d6d[20:09:14] <humdinger> cancercake: listdev says:[20:09:15] <humdinger> device Multimedia controller (Audio device) [4|3|0][20:09:15] <humdinger> vendor 8086: Intel Corporation[20:09:16] <humdinger> device 8c20: 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset High Definition Audio Controller[20:09:42] <humdinger> uses the "HDA" driver[20:10:31] <cancercake> @humdinger, oh thanks, so there is generic intel hd audio support? maybe i can use the internal sound then[20:11:16] <humdinger> yes. but as I said, hardware varies...[20:12:06] <cancercake> @humdinger, ok i'll just have to hope for the best i guess. do you use an adapter for midi?[20:12:46] <humdinger> nope. just plug my MIDI controller into USB[20:13:18] *** hecliunyx <hecliunyx!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org> has joined #haiku[20:13:37] <cancercake> but midi is different from usb. you mean you have a keyboard with usb out?[20:13:59] <humdinger> yes. it's only a controller.[20:14:25] <cancercake> hmm ok[20:15:25] <humdinger> I'm not much of a very bad music dabbler though.[20:15:34] <humdinger> Pete is our MIDI guy. see https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/midi-keyboard-in-haiku/3245[20:16:44] <humdinger> I don't think much has changed in that department since 2012, sadly.[20:17:15] <cancercake> ah that's a shame[20:17:57] <cancercake> it was actually sequitur that i tried to install and it couldn't find some dependency[20:18:17] <humdinger> hmm. I have that running... from HaikuDepot?[20:18:26] <cancercake> yes[20:18:37] <humdinger> let me reinstall...[20:18:40] <cancercake> sure[20:19:51] <humdinger> slow download...[20:20:37] <humdinger> very slow download...[20:21:14] <humdinger> works with hrev50837.[20:21:20] <cancercake> i don't think it was slow here[20:21:24] <humdinger> maybe it's some issue with libpng.[20:21:35] <humdinger> that one recently broke some stuff[20:21:42] <cancercake> i don't remember which lib it complained about[20:21:56] <cancercake> ok i'll download latest rev of haiku[20:22:08] <humdinger> Mine is not the latest.[20:22:18] <humdinger> in fact that breakage was fairly recent.[20:22:20] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[20:22:30] <cancercake> oh lol[20:22:55] <cancercake> i'll try that exact rev then, 50837[20:23:47] <humdinger> sadly, I'm too dumb to really understand all the libpng hubbub. It keeps breaking every few months and packages have to be rebuilt, recipes changed...[20:23:54] <humdinger> it'll be an easy fix in any case[20:24:22] *** eschatologist <eschatologist!~chanson@2601:646:8c00:6dca:83b4:fe68:d468:a6ce> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[20:24:38] <humdinger> I guess I could update and fix the package if it's still broken...[20:24:47] <cancercake> this is why i feared the introduction of a package manager[20:25:24] <humdinger> au contraire. that's what makes it great once we have a fixed target repo.[20:26:04] <cancercake> it's moving target now?[20:26:33] <humdinger> yes. every hrev has it's own repo[20:27:56] <cancercake> oh, then i assume it will be better with the beta[20:28:36] <humdinger> it will be. also the buildbots will take ll the grunt work from our hands.[20:29:11] <humdinger> I'll be checking out sequitur on the current nightly tomorrow.[20:29:25] <humdinger> for today it's good bye and good night.[20:29:26] <cancercake> cool, thanks[20:29:33] <humdinger> good bye and good night.[20:29:40] <cancercake> you too[20:29:47] * humdinger waves[20:29:48] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d8590f1.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[20:30:15] *** geoid_ <geoid_!~geoid@94.8.217.215> has quit IRC (Quit: Lingo: www.lingoirc.com)[20:30:16] <miqlas> mmu_man: i got calibre working on Haiku: http://chunk.io/f/20303fef3470481a8e9b952c93f58976[20:31:56] *** eschatologist <eschatologist!~chanson@c-73-189-131-221.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[20:34:46] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-102-221.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[20:42:25] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-102-221.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[20:52:48] *** Guma <Guma!~Guma@c-73-211-254-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[20:54:01] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[20:55:39] *** HaikuUser3 <HaikuUser3!~vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[21:01:42] *** hecliunyx <hecliunyx!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[21:09:53] *** hecliunyx <hecliunyx!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org> has joined #haiku[21:23:58] *** knarfy <knarfy!~knarf@81-64-93-195.rev.numericable.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[21:54:27] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-5.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[21:59:12] *** akirabit <akirabit!~a3@42.red-81-35-49.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Saliendo)[22:00:29] <Barrett> Begasus, that's true huskys are rebels[22:00:35] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a4f2.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:01:31] <Barrett> and at the same time very loving[22:02:40] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a4f2.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[22:10:45] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a4f2.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:13:00] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-5.moscow.rt.ru> has joined #haiku[22:14:53] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9ef0d.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[22:24:22] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9ef0d.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[22:26:03] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9ca5a.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[22:33:44] *** bitkid <bitkid!~bitkid@x1-6-c0-ff-d4-9c-db-ec.cpe.webspeed.dk> has joined #haiku[22:37:01] <Duggan> congrats Begasus :)[22:38:52] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/816c28a7dac4...6693fc1d407f[22:38:54] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] richienyhus 6693fc1 - Fix typo on irc page (#23)[22:39:12] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/6693fc1d407f...bc8bf08dd4e4[22:39:13] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] richienyhus bc8bf08 - Fix link in installation-guide (#22)[22:40:27] *** cancercake <cancercake!53fc52cf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.252.82.207> has left #haiku[22:40:54] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-5.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:41:12] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-5.moscow.rt.ru> has joined #haiku[22:41:27] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4db9f194.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[22:43:50] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9ca5a.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:45:47] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4db9f194.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:48:56] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-5.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[22:53:05] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9e4dd.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[22:57:15] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/a086992ac5ea...3c19b15eec56[22:57:16] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 3c19b15 - weechat: bump version.[23:01:43] *** stakewinner00 <stakewinner00!~stakewinn@190.143.19.95.dynamic.jazztel.es> has joined #haiku[23:08:56] *** HaikuUser3 <HaikuUser3!~vision@vir91-7-88-163-35-222.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[23:09:58] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9e4dd.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[23:10:29] <HaikuUser3> hi all, haiku have a shorcut keyboard for hide the current window ?[23:13:07] <Duggan> I'm not sure about a keyboard shortcut, have you looked at the user's guide?[23:13:46] <Duggan> I know you can right click the title to send it to the back or double click it to hide it[23:15:13] <Duggan> ctrl+alt+m according to the user's guide https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/gui.html[23:15:41] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:16:09] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:16:44] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9fbfb.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[23:19:05] <HaikuUser3> thanks Duggan, it's working[23:21:46] <Duggan> no problem[23:25:14] *** petterhj <petterhj!~Petter@cm-84.209.150.30.getinternet.no> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[23:38:18] *** APT69 <APT69!~APT69@108.61.226.23> has joined #haiku[23:40:55] <Duggan> anybody happen to have any experience with the layout system?[23:44:28] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[23:44:28] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:44:38] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[23:45:32] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[23:46:41] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:57:40] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/bc8bf08dd4e4...7938690b16e2[23:57:42] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] richienyhus 7938690 - 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