January 23, 2017 
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January 23, 2017 [00:00:30] <waddlesplash> works here[00:00:38] <waddlesplash> probably the compression bug[00:02:13] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/26aa70ebb94c...1fb026ed4b9a[00:02:14] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 1fb026e - _redirects: Attempt to redirect forum URLs to the new forum's search.[00:06:09] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/1fb026ed4b9a...5ee81f3a027f[00:06:10] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 5ee81f3 - _redirects: Attempt 2 to redirect forum URLs to the new forum's search.[00:08:22] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@71-212-104-59.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[00:08:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[00:11:01] <waddlesplash> ok that worked[00:11:02] <waddlesplash> good[00:17:01] <waddlesplash> now URLs like https://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/new_in_the_forum_and_haiku_distro_idea will redirect to the new forum's search page[00:22:20] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-85-197-5-171.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Quit: bai)[00:24:29] *** vikt0r <vikt0r!~victor@195.32.87.115> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:25:00] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:25:20] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[00:28:19] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@71-212-104-59.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[00:28:36] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@71-212-104-59.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[00:28:36] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[00:29:18] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@71-212-104-59.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:35:13] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)[00:35:27] <ohnx> hey gbl08ma are you using uefi?[00:36:08] <ohnx> that change shouldn't have done too much functionality changes[00:36:46] <ohnx> and get_boot_item doesn't look like it could cause a kernel panic/crash[00:41:24] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-emkeudrelxkblpnk> has joined #haiku[00:41:30] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[00:41:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[01:03:11] <gbl08ma> ohnx: no, I'm not using UEFI. and commenting out the new code so that it becomes the same as before that commit didn't fix it, either[01:03:44] <ohnx> yeah it didn't look like that was the commit to cause it[01:03:51] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@apn-31-0-43-159.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[01:03:52] <ohnx> it would only do changes for those booting from uefi[01:04:32] <gbl08ma> I know, but I decided to try anyway, for the lack of a better idea[01:04:40] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[01:04:58] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host)[01:05:10] <gbl08ma> the stack trace is not very useful: http://s.lowendshare.com/0/1485129897.435.Screenshot_20170122_214249.png[01:05:28] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has joined #haiku[01:06:51] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[01:07:55] *** KapiX <KapiX!~kacper@89-65-138-76.dynamic.chello.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: KapiX)[01:14:56] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[01:15:48] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has joined #haiku[01:16:55] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@77.79.212.94> has joined #haiku[01:31:09] *** lsitongia <lsitongia!~vision@c-73-14-172-37.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[01:37:54] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!~dario@181.46.220.255> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:45:28] *** pdziepak <pdziepak!~pdziepak@88.98.223.225> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:47:12] <ohnx> gbl08ma: are you booting on bare metal?[01:51:10] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[01:52:08] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[01:54:04] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[01:59:35] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@77.79.212.94> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:02:27] *** lsitongia <lsitongia!~vision@c-73-14-172-37.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[02:09:30] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[02:09:37] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[02:25:35] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Eating pizza)[02:40:14] *** pfoetchen <pfoetchen!~pfoetchen@beiboot1.petschge.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[02:40:21] *** pfoetchen <pfoetchen!~pfoetchen@beiboot1.petschge.de> has joined #haiku[02:42:58] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[02:50:38] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:54:33] <scottmc> how do I do a new pull request of a different recipe when I still have a pending PR from the previous one, without the new one also getting dragged into this new PR?[02:56:23] <waddlesplash> scottmc: different branch[02:57:09] <scottmc> is there a way to get rid of old branches? if i do a new branch for each one I'll end up with hundreds[02:58:48] <waddlesplash> scottmc: after PR is merged GitHub shows you a "delete branch" button[02:59:02] <waddlesplash> scottmc: or you can go to the "Branches" tab of your fork on GitHub and delete them at any time from there[02:59:20] <scottmc> oh. never saw that show up. but then again i'm only done PRs from master[02:59:32] <waddlesplash> right[02:59:35] <waddlesplash> so it wouldn't appear in that case[03:02:01] <scottmc> i'll try later. heading out for dinner[03:21:05] *** hecliunyx <hecliunyx!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[03:23:41] *** js <js!~js@ip-95-222-169-90.hsi15.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[03:25:28] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:27:47] *** hecliunyx <hecliunyx!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org> has joined #haiku[03:30:00] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-80-203-115.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:30:17] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-227-45-60.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[03:30:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[03:40:20] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has joined #haiku[03:46:00] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[03:49:16] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[03:50:28] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has joined #haiku[03:54:56] <ohnx> #1[03:55:03] <ohnx> #4668[03:55:23] <ohnx> waddlesplash: does soakbot not do trac numbers in #haiku ? :p[03:55:43] <waddlesplash> ohnx: oh, are you in a channel which it does? lol[03:55:50] <ohnx> yes[03:55:51] <waddlesplash> yeah, it doesn't, because mmadia booted it when it did[03:55:59] <waddlesplash> but he's been gone for yearz[03:56:12] <waddlesplash> so, I suppose I could enable that again. hmm[03:56:16] <ohnx> lol[03:56:19] <ohnx> plz dont[03:56:23] <waddlesplash> oh?[03:56:42] <waddlesplash> wow, I haven't deployed the thing since Mar 2015[03:56:43] <ohnx> i don't think people use that[03:57:03] <waddlesplash> I wonder how much the npm pkgs I used then have changed[03:57:03] <ohnx> waddlesplash: what channels is your soakbot in? lol[03:57:13] * waddlesplash doesn't remember[03:57:17] <waddlesplash> a few here and a few on irc.mozilla.net[03:57:42] <waddlesplash> it was originally a Hubot mod run by somebody else for the pdfjs project[03:57:47] <waddlesplash> then they quit running it and I wrote soakbot[03:58:13] <ohnx> lol ok[03:59:31] <waddlesplash> oh wow[03:59:37] <waddlesplash> the coding style is pretty bad, isn't it[04:00:07] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[04:00:12] <waddlesplash> wow, I wrote that when I was 15[04:00:17] <waddlesplash> seems like centuries ago[04:01:38] *** LeandroLuiz <LeandroLuiz!~clkalw@unaffiliated/leandroluiz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[04:02:14] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-emkeudrelxkblpnk> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[04:03:10] <waddlesplash> ... even though it was only 4 years[04:04:52] *** LeandroLuiz <LeandroLuiz!~clkalw@181.41.210.237> has joined #haiku[04:04:52] *** LeandroLuiz <LeandroLuiz!~clkalw@181.41.210.237> has quit IRC (Changing host)[04:04:52] *** LeandroLuiz <LeandroLuiz!~clkalw@unaffiliated/leandroluiz> has joined #haiku[04:30:59] <Premislaus> How to document ticket for poor network perofromance?[04:31:09] <Premislaus> *performance[04:31:30] <ohnx> waddlesplash: i see you did gci in 2014[04:31:32] <Premislaus> What programs I must run?[04:31:43] <waddlesplash> ohnx: yep, the once and only time I did[04:32:04] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: the 5MB/s or so upper cap? yeah, known issue[04:32:11] <waddlesplash> network stack needs optimizations[04:33:29] <Premislaus> waddlesplash yes[04:33:58] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: I filed the ticket a while back[04:34:00] <waddlesplash> lookin[04:34:22] <Premislaus> I must to create ticket for various redrawing problems?[04:34:42] <ohnx> yeah probably[04:34:52] <ohnx> Premislaus: how fast/slow is your computer? that might also be a problem[04:34:57] <Premislaus> Run vision, theb Web+ with many tabs, and look at the tabs.[04:34:58] *** qeos <qeos!~kvirc@37.204.81.98> has joined #haiku[04:35:06] <Premislaus> ohnx for netowrk?[04:35:13] <Premislaus> *network[04:35:19] <ohnx> no for redrawing[04:35:35] <ohnx> of course, blame web+ lol[04:35:42] <Premislaus> ohnx This is laptop. CPU A6-4400m.[04:36:02] <ohnx> eh should be fine[04:36:04] <Premislaus> ohnx Web+ is new IE6 ;)[04:36:06] <ohnx> must be web+ ;)[04:36:20] <ohnx> ppffft web+ is better standards compliant! :D[04:36:45] *** yosafbridge <yosafbridge!~yosafbrid@68.ip-149-56-14.net> has joined #haiku[04:36:45] *** yosafbridge` <yosafbridge`!~yosafbrid@68.ip-149-56-14.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[04:38:59] <Premislaus> ohnx I created new ticket for web+[04:39:08] <Premislaus> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13235[04:41:09] <Premislaus> ohnx PulkoMandy http://imgur.com/gallery/OxfYK[04:41:48] <ohnx> Premislaus: lol[04:41:52] <ohnx> what websites are you visitng?[04:42:14] <Premislaus> youtube, news, it portals, pr0n,[04:42:44] *** hecliunyx <hecliunyx!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[04:43:05] <Premislaus> ohnx Diver deleted many my atachments on Trac, because I flooded with web+ segfaults.[04:44:31] <Premislaus> ohnx I'm collecting Web+ debug reports like butterflies, poststamps, coins.[04:45:20] <ohnx> yes, by the looks of it, lol[04:45:23] <ohnx> zip them all up![04:45:24] <jessicah> waddlesplash: I'm getting the same behaviour for https://www.haiku-os.org/development the axel is seeing[04:45:36] <jessicah> netlify is returning 304 Not Modified header[04:45:36] <ohnx> oh without the / ?[04:45:39] <jessicah> yeah[04:45:52] <jessicah> with the 304 Not Modified, it won't do a redirect[04:46:03] <ohnx> yeah i'm on chrome and when i GET https://www.haiku-os.org/development it says "Redirecting to /development/"[04:46:15] <ohnx> yeah that's interesting[04:46:24] <ohnx> i cleared cache and reloaded, still nothing[04:46:25] <Premislaus> jessicah Is good for me under Web+.[04:46:31] <waddlesplash> jessicah: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13233 ?[04:46:32] <waddlesplash> oh[04:46:38] <waddlesplash> is that another bug then[04:46:41] <waddlesplash> besides the compression one[04:47:24] <ohnx> yes[04:47:46] <waddlesplash> jessicah: CURL gives 200?[04:47:59] <ohnx> well chrome is giving me 200[04:48:06] <Premislaus> jessicah ohnx waddlesplash http://i64.tinypic.com/12378kl.png[04:48:16] <ohnx> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/HUuq9dCo/[04:48:43] <waddlesplash> jessicah: ^ I get what ohnx got[04:48:46] <waddlesplash> no redirect[04:49:01] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] jessicah pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/5ee81f3a027f...c2ee1c3ae05d[04:49:03] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] jessicah c2ee1c3 - Navigation bar: use the actual page URLs[04:49:16] <ohnx> heh jessicah you killed community[04:49:24] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] jessicah pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/c2ee1c3ae05d...33725d0eecbc[04:49:25] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] jessicah 33725d0 - Typo in community URL.[04:49:28] <waddlesplash> lol[04:49:37] <ohnx> :p[04:50:01] <waddlesplash> jessicah: I think I fixed the "takes 40min to deploy" problem[04:50:06] <jessicah> yes, I noticed immediately[04:50:09] <waddlesplash> seems like it was deploying in 60sec before[04:50:09] <jessicah> =/[04:50:22] <waddlesplash> I mean when I was making changes before[04:51:30] <jessicah> it seems dependent on whether you've visited before, not entirely sure[04:51:40] <jessicah> but yes, returning 304 is very unhelpful =/[04:52:06] <jessicah> I wonder how many other URLs are redirects, that may also need fixing[04:52:46] <waddlesplash> you could also report another bug to netlify[04:52:59] <jessicah> I don't have an account[04:53:01] <waddlesplash> they already replied to confirm the compression bug[04:53:07] <waddlesplash> oh, I can add you to the admin panel[04:53:14] <waddlesplash> use your commiter email?[04:53:16] <jessicah> okay, that would be good[04:53:17] <jessicah> yes[04:53:26] <ohnx> waddlesplash: what did they say about the compression bug?[04:53:34] <waddlesplash> ohnx: that it was a bug :p[04:53:52] <ohnx> lol[04:54:01] <ohnx> guess it wasn't a feature, then ;)[04:54:03] <waddlesplash> jessicah: sent[04:54:16] <ohnx> hey jessicah what are all the efi memory types?[04:54:43] <waddlesplash> jessicah: don't touch anything in there without telling me first pls (except in case of emergency)[04:55:05] <waddlesplash> jessicah: use the popup chat thingy to send the devs a message, they're pretty quick about replying usually[04:57:24] <ohnx> like if i just want general memory to r/w to, what kind should i use?[04:57:32] <ohnx> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/fsLKdBse/memory%20types[04:58:47] <jessicah> loader data[04:59:12] <ohnx> k thanks[04:59:24] <ohnx> i tried just writing to some memory location, but it doesn't seem to work... lol[05:00:01] <jessicah> lol[05:04:56] <jessicah> I ran into a similar problem with SMP[05:05:15] <jessicah> the trampolining code I was trying to write to was used by ACPI, so caused weird issues :p[05:05:29] <jessicah> I still need to fix that correctly...[05:17:06] <Premislaus> Someone commented my Haiku pic on Imgur - http://imgur.com/gallery/OxfYK[05:17:45] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[05:18:04] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[05:29:04] <scottmc> i finally found a git tutorial i can understand.[05:29:08] <scottmc> https://xkcd.com/1597/[05:30:38] <jessicah> scottmc: haha :D[05:32:18] <scottmc> what i really need are pictures... I need the old work flow pushed on the haiku website updated for submitting changes to haikuports via pull requests... https://www.haiku-os.org/files/gitProcess_0.png it's a bit more complex than this old diagram[05:34:43] <scottmc> i submitted a PR request, it's being reviewed. I move on to the next recipe, get that working, commit it to my github master. then tried to do a pull request of that. it's now 4 commits ahead of haikuports but I only want the pull request to affect one commit not all 4. nope you must include all 4 in the pull request unless to know git-fu[05:35:19] <Premislaus> scottmc Good comic.[05:35:32] <Premislaus> jessicah What is a problem with Jam and UEFI loader?[05:38:59] <Premislaus> https://www.haiku-os.org/files/gitProcess_0.png - I like our design. I think that UI, icons, it is what attracts me.[05:39:45] <ohnx> scottmc: you need to start a new branch for each recipe[05:40:02] <ohnx> and that branch needs to be from master[05:40:14] <ohnx> hmm there should be like bash commands to do that....[05:40:23] <ohnx> git checkout master[05:40:34] <ohnx> git checkout -b <feature_name>[05:40:41] <ohnx> * do changes *[05:40:46] <ohnx> git commit -a[05:40:48] <ohnx> git oush[05:40:59] <scottmc> my master or the remote master?[05:41:03] <ohnx> git push -u origin <featur_name>[05:41:21] <ohnx> i recommend you just clean up everything and start over lol[05:41:30] <ohnx> copy your changes, delete the fork on github and locally[05:41:41] <ohnx> then re-fork the repo on github and re-clone it[05:41:59] <scottmc> i think that's the easy way forward[05:42:05] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-gegwtwzgvlddqoaq> has joined #haiku[05:42:47] <ohnx> yes[05:43:33] <ohnx> the xkcd way :p[05:44:10] <scottmc> and this travis thing complaining about stupid trailing white-space. i'll give you white spaces.[05:44:20] * geist complains anyway[05:44:32] *** hecliunyx <hecliunyx!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org> has joined #haiku[05:44:37] <scottmc> back in my day haikuporter didn't care...[05:44:49] <scottmc> ha! geist...[05:45:18] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] jessicah pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/33725d0eecbc...851bdab2e1f8[05:45:20] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] jessicah 851bdab - Change link to forums to discuss.haiku-os.org[05:45:52] <scottmc> but at least this current version of haikuporter still give cryptic error messages that have barely any meaning as to what the real cause of the error is.[05:48:13] <jessicah> scottmc: mm, if you have two remotes, origin (your github), upstream (haikuports github), you should do something like: git fetch upstream; git checkout -b feature-name upstream/master; do all your changes; git add; git commit; git push -u origin feature-name[05:48:50] <ohnx> :p[05:48:55] <jessicah> that will create a branch from the latest upstream[05:49:32] <jessicah> that's how I do it for haikuports nowadays[05:50:04] <waddlesplash> jessicah: the /forums should at least be a 301[05:50:11] <waddlesplash> it's configured in the _redirects file[05:50:16] <jessicah> I know[05:50:31] <jessicah> still, I prefer avoiding 301s :p[05:50:44] <waddlesplash> yeah, true. just hadn't got around to that kind of cleanup[05:51:00] <jessicah> especially with web+ ;-)[05:51:07] <jessicah> web+ and redirects is pretty terrible[05:51:14] <waddlesplash> jessicah: I also set up a redirect from the old forums to the new[05:51:19] <waddlesplash> https://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/new_in_the_forum_and_haiku_distro_idea[05:51:41] <waddlesplash> not perfect but it will have the right thread as the first result a good 80% of the time[05:51:42] <ohnx> the multithreading[05:51:55] <ohnx> make the haiku website work on its own os! lol[05:52:17] <waddlesplash> ohnx: see, WebKit ditched the Curl network backend and we had to write our own[05:52:30] <waddlesplash> honestly I'm not convinced that maintaining the curl backend would have been less work[05:52:38] * waddlesplash isn't sure why this approach was taken anyway[05:52:46] <waddlesplash> dogfooding is good I guess?[05:53:01] <jessicah> I wouldn't mind investigating writing our network backend to use curl underneath[05:53:12] <jessicah> waddlesplash: uh, part of it was problems with cookies[05:53:21] <jessicah> not that cookies works well...[05:53:27] <waddlesplash> jessicah: the WebKit backend or the new NetAPI?[05:53:31] <jessicah> web+ never remembers any of my logins[05:53:44] <waddlesplash> still? I thought we have a cookie manager and all now[05:53:59] <jessicah> with curl as backend, there were issues with cookies[05:54:01] <jessicah> yes, still[05:54:12] <jessicah> maybe it's because of my timezone? I dunno[05:54:15] <ohnx> switch to gecko! :o[05:54:19] <jessicah> or that it's incorrect? :p[05:54:26] <jessicah> I always forget to update my timezone[05:54:52] <jessicah> ohnx: there's even more dependencies there that we haven't ported, as I understand it[05:55:09] <ohnx> haha ok[05:55:38] <waddlesplash> ohnx: not to mention we'd have to write a UI backend for it[05:55:54] <waddlesplash> ... or is the Gecko-Qt port mature enoigh[05:56:20] <waddlesplash> jessicah: did you send a message to the Netlify guys?[05:56:34] <jessicah> I used their chat thingy in the bottom corner[05:58:35] <waddlesplash> yeah that[05:58:46] <waddlesplash> it will reply to you by email if you're offline when they reply[05:58:49] <Premislaus> jessicah on Imgur and Trac Web+ remembers.[05:59:02] <waddlesplash> I think they're on USA CA timezone[06:00:57] <ohnx> jessicah: i didn't have issues with cookies on GitHub[06:00:59] *** hecliunyx <hecliunyx!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[06:01:09] <ohnx> is it like you closed your browser?[06:01:28] <Premislaus> Is possible, in the future, for Web+ to use system things for decoding video (not work under Linux browsers)?[06:01:34] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: it does[06:01:36] <ohnx> .time san francisco[06:01:54] <Premislaus> ahh[06:02:13] <Premislaus> I mean future vaapi, vdpau, etc?[06:02:19] <waddlesplash> oh[06:02:23] <waddlesplash> well, we don't have those[06:02:27] <waddlesplash> so, who knows[06:03:41] <Premislaus> I'm asking about design. On Linux Firefox not uses hardware acceleration by default wor drawing itself gui, not uses video acceleration, and tries murder my CPU.[06:03:53] <Premislaus> *for drawing[06:04:04] <waddlesplash> considering we don't even have those OS features yet, who knows[06:04:11] <waddlesplash> soakbot: help[06:04:15] <waddlesplash> uh, is soakbot dead[06:04:23] <waddlesplash> I think soakbot might be dead[06:04:50] <ohnx> pfft[06:04:56] <ohnx> must have been one of your changes ;)[06:05:02] <waddlesplash> I didn't touch it yet![06:05:19] <ohnx> this is why you don't even think of touching legacy code![06:05:23] <waddlesplash> ... I have to install Mathematica for school, it's going to take 8GB[06:05:39] <waddlesplash> OH GOOD GRIEF IT'S WRITTEN IN JAVA[06:05:40] <waddlesplash> WHY[06:05:50] <ohnx> heh i want to go to mathematica camp this summer maybe[06:05:52] <waddlesplash> or at least parts of it are ;_;[06:06:15] <waddlesplash> ohnx: Mathematica has the WORST syntax of any programming language ever made[06:06:21] <waddlesplash> ok, except maybe LISP or something[06:06:29] <waddlesplash> but it's atrocious[06:06:36] <ohnx> is it the wolfram language?[06:06:38] <ohnx> or is it different[06:06:39] <waddlesplash> yes that[06:06:42] <ohnx> also, i like lisp :p[06:06:50] * waddlesplash is allergic to lisp[06:06:51] <ohnx> wolfram language is pretty poor[06:07:02] <waddlesplash> I grew up on C++ and JavaScript[06:07:07] <ohnx> heh, other gci students, here's a cool camp: https://education.wolfram.com/summer/camp/[06:07:09] <ohnx> eww c++[06:07:11] <waddlesplash> ok, after I abandoned VB.Net that is[06:07:14] * ohnx is allergic to c++[06:07:22] <waddlesplash> ohnx: you mean you're allergic to the stl[06:07:23] <ohnx> c master race![06:07:25] <Duggan> I grew up on QBasic and C++ :P[06:07:25] <waddlesplash> stl != c++[06:07:33] <ohnx> i like c[06:07:36] <ohnx> c++ is weird[06:07:40] <waddlesplash> what part of it[06:07:42] <waddlesplash> the classes?[06:07:46] <Duggan> c++ is awesome[06:07:51] <Duggan> stl sucks, but c++ is awesome :P[06:07:55] <waddlesplash> ^[06:08:29] <Duggan> I don't use templates at all if I can help it[06:08:32] *** hecliunyx <hecliunyx!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org> has joined #haiku[06:08:34] <dograt> People like C++ because of sunk cost fallacy and stockholm syndrome ;)[06:09:04] <waddlesplash> dograt: lol[06:09:15] <waddlesplash> dograt: also what are you doing here, this is an OS written in C++[06:09:21] <waddlesplash> we liked C++ so much we wrote our kernel in C++[06:09:24] <dograt> I know, I'm sorry[06:09:27] <dograt> jk[06:09:30] <Duggan> I like c++ because you can do anything* with it and make it run fast (*almost)[06:09:44] <waddlesplash> Duggan: you *can* do anything with C+[06:09:47] <waddlesplash> C++[06:10:07] <waddlesplash> like, you know, have segfaults[06:10:12] <waddlesplash> can't do that in JavaScript ;)[06:10:48] <scottmc> jessicah, thanks that worked.[06:10:52] <Duggan> http://wiki.osdev.org/C#Things_C_can.27t_do[06:11:04] <waddlesplash> Duggan: C sux[06:11:07] <waddlesplash> it doesn't have objects[06:11:21] <Duggan> waddlesplash sure it does :D[06:11:30] <Duggan> it's called structs with function pointers :P[06:12:48] <ohnx> pfft then you have to pass it a ference of itself[06:12:55] <ohnx> reference*[06:12:56] <waddlesplash> lol[06:13:00] <ohnx> it also uses more memory[06:13:04] <Duggan> ohnx c++ has that built, in, it's called "this" :P[06:13:16] <ohnx> Duggan: ik[06:13:38] <ohnx> but like, let's say in efi which uses what you describe[06:14:02] <ohnx> i run like conOut->print(conOut, args...)[06:14:05] *** hecliunyx <hecliunyx!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[06:14:45] <ohnx> since conOut->print wouldn't otherwise know what it should act upon[06:15:14] <Duggan> oh you *have* to, misread what you said[06:16:04] <jessicah> ohnx: yeah, UEFI is basically explicit C++ :p[06:16:13] <jessicah> C++ is definitely better than C though[06:16:27] <ohnx> :([06:16:46] <ohnx> torvalds reaaally likes c[06:16:51] <ohnx> and dislikes c++[06:17:02] <dograt> Eh, Torvalds has questionable taste in many things[06:17:15] <waddlesplash> like words[06:17:36] <ohnx> lol[06:17:41] <jessicah> given how messy the linux kernel looks written in C... and what is with their insane coding style?? and how clean most of the Haiku source code looks[06:17:47] <jessicah> yeah, I much prefer grokking Haiku[06:18:01] <waddlesplash> ^[06:18:13] <waddlesplash> last time I tried to look at HDA driver for Linux I just gave up[06:18:14] <jessicah> Haiku has one of the nicest code bases to read[06:18:19] <waddlesplash> went and looked at the FreeBSD one instead[06:18:19] <ohnx> ok[06:18:35] <ohnx> a lot of big c projects end up messy[06:18:43] <Duggan> ohnx www.cs.rit.edu/~ats/books/ooc.pdf[06:19:10] <jessicah> ohnx: as lispers would say; any large C project ends up re-implementing a large subset of lisp, lulz[06:19:50] <Duggan> I remember when the vast majority of all code in use was still written in COBOL...[06:19:54] <jessicah> ohnx: given that some very large projects have moved from C to C++, such as gcc, pretty sure C++ must be better than C :D[06:19:58] <Duggan> then y2k happened and it switched to c/c++[06:20:02] <jessicah> haha, COBOL[06:20:20] <jessicah> at my first IT job, their intranet was still written in COBOL[06:20:26] <Duggan> hey COBOL was awesome... I wrote a text adventure as a bonus on my final project in that class :P[06:20:30] <jessicah> maintained too[06:20:44] <ohnx> banks still hire cobol programmers apparently[06:22:06] <scottmc> Trailing whitespace in 'dev-games/box2d/box2d-2.3.1.recipe'. question is WHERE?[06:22:07] <Duggan> I remember being a kid and going to the library and reading books dreaming about the day I had my own c++ compiler... but I couldn't afford one :'([06:22:17] <jessicah> git should tell you[06:22:30] <jessicah> git diff should highlight trailing whitespace in red[06:22:33] <Duggan> scottmc you can view whitespace with Pe[06:22:33] <ohnx> scottmc: select everything in the file[06:22:41] <ohnx> or pe has an option[06:22:59] <Duggan> (selecting everything is actually probably the best/easiest)[06:23:27] <Duggan> well, except spaces in Haiku tend to be exceptionally thin so they can be hard to see[06:23:43] <scottmc> if travis is complaining about it, why can't it show what line number the issue is in?[06:24:08] <ohnx> it doesn't know[06:24:20] <ohnx> and honestly i have no idea why it complains about it lol[06:24:27] <jessicah> git diff HEAD^[06:24:32] <scottmc> or how many to look for? is it one or ten?[06:24:33] <jessicah> look for lines with red[06:24:37] <ohnx> https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports[06:24:38] <Duggan> wait, is Travis a person or a thing?...[06:24:46] <jessicah> continuous integration[06:24:48] <ohnx> travis is a person and a thing[06:24:54] <scottmc> both /me wave at Geist[06:25:05] <Duggan> lol[06:25:20] <scottmc> it's a checking tool on github[06:25:27] <Duggan> oh ok[06:25:39] <Duggan> I know we have a Travis, but you were talking like it was a thing, not a person lol[06:25:59] <ohnx> heh[06:26:07] <ohnx> technically it's the script[06:26:17] <ohnx> travis is just running th script[06:26:45] *** lsitongia <lsitongia!~vision@c-73-14-172-37.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[06:26:48] <Duggan> ok, what's the script called?[06:27:02] <ohnx> it's lint-new-recipes.sh[06:27:07] <ohnx> in the root of haikuports[06:27:15] <Duggan> ok, rename it travis.sh :P[06:27:48] <ohnx> congrats, scottmc :p[06:27:49] <ohnx> fixed[06:28:50] <scottmc> now Pe... is there a way to keep the "Show Invisiables" setting checked?[06:29:09] <jessicah> you could use kapix's Koder[06:29:13] <jessicah> it shows whitespace[06:29:26] <waddlesplash> scottmc: you can enable trim trailing space?[06:29:39] <jessicah> as long as you don't save .patch files :p[06:29:43] <waddlesplash> scottmc: Pe settings -> Files -> Discard trailing space[06:29:45] <waddlesplash> jessicah: yeah[06:30:07] <jessicah> done that so many times before =/[06:30:10] <jessicah> such a pain[06:30:10] <ohnx> waddlesplash: is there any reason for that?[06:30:13] <jessicah> stupid format[06:30:19] <ohnx> requiring no trailing whitespacr[06:30:29] <waddlesplash> ohnx: styling issue[06:30:39] <jessicah> coding style; also shows up in git[06:30:44] <jessicah> git doesn't like it either[06:30:56] <ohnx> ok[06:30:57] <Duggan> scottmc tried PalEdit?[06:30:59] <Duggan> :P[06:31:03] <jessicah> you'll see red markers for trailing whitespace in git[06:31:07] <Duggan> it's not on x86_64 so I can't try it :P[06:31:20] <ohnx> heh can we make something to show the actual line for the newline?[06:31:21] <jessicah> also, can end up with merging headaches because of mixed whitespace[06:31:39] <ohnx> not hard to whip up a quick script :p[06:31:41] <waddlesplash> Duggan: it was literally a rebranded fork of Pe with nothing else[06:31:43] <waddlesplash> I kid you not[06:32:03] *** hecliunyx <hecliunyx!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org> has joined #haiku[06:32:04] <scottmc> i think we dropped paledit awhile back[06:33:39] <scottmc> i know Pe is way more powerful. I once watch Andrew Bachmann make changes across hundreds of files using it in batch mode of some type. Was pretty cool to see it working[06:36:15] *** js <js!~js@ip-95-222-169-90.hsi15.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #haiku[06:36:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o js[06:41:00] *** lsitongia <lsitongia!~vision@c-73-14-172-37.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[06:42:09] <Premislaus> hmm Replicant wrench icon disapperead globally on my computer, also buttons in UberTuber (when I try save). Maybe I must restart. I killed Tracker, but it does not help. Curtently I'm reproducing this bug - https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/10839. I've found nice animation - https://vimeo.com/channels/staffpicks/63804657?autoplay=1 . Pnly 360p on my system, because 720p kills CPU.[06:42:28] <Premislaus> *Only[06:43:33] <Duggan> scottmc probably search and replace in files[06:43:47] <Duggan> waddlesplash yeah there was still something that it had that really won me over...[06:43:55] <Duggan> still can't remember what it was...[06:45:30] <scottmc> Duggan probably[06:53:12] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-5.moscow.rt.ru> has joined #haiku[06:56:08] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-227-45-60.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:56:23] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-167-103-101.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[06:56:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[06:59:05] <waddlesplash> soakbot: help[06:59:09] <waddlesplash> ...[06:59:20] <waddlesplash> it's still half-busted huh[06:59:22] <waddlesplash> oh well[07:00:42] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-167-103-101.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:01:00] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-159-209-13.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[07:01:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[07:10:09] <Duggan> so what does it do?[07:13:33] <Duggan> soakbot: help[07:13:41] <Duggan> nothing apparently :P[07:18:31] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-159-209-13.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:18:50] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-166-230-171.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[07:18:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[07:18:53] <waddlesplash> soakbot: help[07:18:53] <soakbot> I'm a modular NodeJS-based IRC bot. Operator(s): waddlesplash.[07:18:54] <soakbot> Source code & issue tracker at https://github.com/waddlesplash/soakbot[07:18:54] <soakbot> Enabled modules:[07:18:57] <waddlesplash> there we go. :)[07:20:05] *** savant_d <savant_d!~savant@178.162.117.40> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[07:26:59] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:27:34] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[07:29:03] <Duggan> waddlesplash :P[07:29:45] <Duggan> anyway, back to work on SkyNet...[07:32:32] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[07:33:05] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has joined #haiku[07:35:46] <mounty> That's a pretty daunting list at https://www.haiku-os.org/community/gsoc/2017/ideas -- is it doable?[07:36:09] <PulkoMandy> we will remove ideas without a mentor[07:36:28] <PulkoMandy> and, it is up to the students to pick just 1 idea from the list and make their application from it[07:41:02] <Duggan> 3d acceleration can be tamed down to "Port DRM drivers", that's more than sufficient for a summer project[07:43:42] <Duggan> maybe next year if it's not done by then, we can start worrying about the userland DRM/DRI part[07:45:02] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Eating pizza)[08:04:58] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-gegwtwzgvlddqoaq> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[08:06:51] *** korli <korli!c299d9e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.153.217.230> has joined #haiku[08:18:10] <korli> the new website looks great![08:25:04] <Premislaus> korli It looks same, but is really faster.[08:46:22] <korli> well, just noticed I can't do changes to the website[08:54:01] <jessicah> changes?[09:00:58] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[09:05:07] <korli> jessicah: no write access[09:08:10] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] jessicah pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/851bdab2e1f8...2f856d1085a5[09:08:11] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] jessicah 2f856d1 - UEFI blog post: Add more tag[09:09:06] <jessicah> oh to the website repo?[09:09:22] <jessicah> hmm, I don't know how permissions are supposed to be managed there[09:11:43] <jessicah> I think for blog posts, articles, etc., they're expected to be done as pull requests, as I understand it[09:12:58] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-omtmnbyqrhotcmou> has joined #haiku[09:14:51] *** knarfy <knarfy!~knarf@81-64-93-195.rev.numericable.fr> has joined #haiku[09:14:55] <korli> jessicah: sure, I wanted to make a change in https://github.com/haiku/website/pull/21, turns out I can't[09:15:15] *** knarfy <knarfy!~knarf@81-64-93-195.rev.numericable.fr> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[09:17:11] <jessicah> you can change things in someone else's pull request?[09:18:19] <jessicah> I can prolly add you[09:18:24] <jessicah> let me have a look...[09:19:36] *** P2Squared <P2Squared!~vision@210-1-213-55-cpe.spintel.net.au> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[09:20:06] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[09:20:52] <jessicah> korli: check your mail :)[09:23:00] *** P2Squared <P2Squared!~vision@210.1.213.55> has joined #haiku[09:23:09] <jessicah> I still think haikuports & haikuporter should be moved to the haiku organization on github...[09:23:19] <jessicah> they're both integral to haiku[09:24:00] <korli> jessicah: can't check emails atm sorry[09:24:27] <jessicah> korli, hmm, maybe you can just go to github.com logged in, and it shows you a notification?[09:24:47] <jessicah> https://github.com/notifications perhaps?[09:34:42] <korli> jessicah: nothing related. I'll check later thanks[09:35:16] <P2Squared> man[09:35:33] <P2Squared> even CPU-driven rectangle fills are fast on Haiku[09:36:32] <FlyingJester> Software rendering isn't as uniformly slow as people seem to think it is.[09:37:28] <FlyingJester> For some things, sometimes it's even faster than even a moderately clever HW approach.[09:37:32] <P2Squared> You'd think it would be horrible on a Pentium II though[09:37:55] *** Diver_ <Diver_!6d4922f2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.109.73.34.242> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[09:39:15] <FlyingJester> Not really. A rectangle fill would be a very simple access pattern, something very nice for the CPU and memory. The biggest concern would be pushing pixels to the screen at all, but for true software rendering that is (in some ways, depends on implementation) a constant overheard operation.[09:39:24] <jessicah> makes me kinda wonder what a haiku build optimised for my CPU would be like in comparison to a stock build[09:39:48] <P2Squared> The target is i686, right?[09:39:57] <jessicah> I think so[09:40:06] <FlyingJester> What's the amd64 target?[09:40:19] <jessicah> maybe i586? not entirely sure[09:40:23] <jessicah> FlyingJester: I dunno[09:40:23] <P2Squared> That's either exactly or almost exactly my CPU then :D[09:40:32] <P2Squared> i686 is Pentium MMX[09:40:40] <P2Squared> I dunno if the P2 had any extra instructions[09:41:02] <FlyingJester> Even MMX means SIMD, though.[09:41:37] <jessicah> ArchitectureRules has HAIKU_KERNEL_C++FLAGS += -march=pentium[09:42:01] <jessicah> I don't see anything specified otherwise[09:45:05] <P2Squared> Maybe I should do builds for my P2 box :3[09:48:27] <jessicah> I think jua was saying that there was noticeable performance differences between gcc2 & gcc5 app_server drawing[09:50:41] <Premislaus> jessicah Try BeRometer benchmark on gcc2 i gcc4, and check points for memory.[09:50:44] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p5DE538B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[09:51:37] <Premislaus> jessicah http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15787359/BeRometer.zip[09:53:52] <Premislaus> jessicah Many hrevs ago I had more on gcc4 - 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It's possible it's just a glitch with the way it disables ACPI. I found out I can use the safe mode options to disable the ACPI driver[12:53:20] <gbl08ma> and if I do that, I can test what I wanted to test without issue[12:56:05] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[12:56:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[13:00:41] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[13:22:21] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p5DE538B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[13:23:23] *** korli <korli!c299d9e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.153.217.230> has joined #haiku[14:02:10] *** iMe <iMe!~iMe@static-195.84.189.90.addr.tdcsong.se> has joined #haiku[14:13:30] *** iMe <iMe!~iMe@static-195.84.189.90.addr.tdcsong.se> has quit IRC (Quit: ZZZzzz…)[14:16:21] *** iMe <iMe!~iMe@static-195.84.189.90.addr.tdcsong.se> has joined #haiku[14:39:02] <FreeFull> I'm getting a "nothing provides cmd:tar>=1.28 needed by" error when I try to pkgman full-sync[14:39:39] *** iMe <iMe!~iMe@static-195.84.189.90.addr.tdcsong.se> has quit IRC (Quit: ZZZzzz…)[14:39:59] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[14:39:59] <FreeFull> The tar version on the system is 1.26[14:40:22] <FreeFull> Maybe my HaikuPorts repo is out of date..[14:41:08] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has joined #haiku[14:41:50] <FreeFull> Yeah, that was it. it was fixed on some old version instead of current[14:47:19] *** iMe <iMe!~iMe@static-195.84.189.90.addr.tdcsong.se> has joined #haiku[14:54:56] <jessicah> :p[14:57:35] *** LaceySnr <LaceySnr!mattlacey@CPE-120-147-195-43.gdiv2.lon.bigpond.net.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:00:57] *** korli <korli!c299d9e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.153.217.230> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[15:03:20] <waddlesplash> dangit I just missed korli[15:03:26] <waddlesplash> oh well[15:05:40] <jessicah> I added him as developer to the haiku org[15:05:45] <jessicah> since he is anyway...[15:05:54] <jessicah> which will implicitly add him to website[15:06:00] <jessicah> from what I can tell[15:09:04] <waddlesplash> jessicah: oh, I just added him to website too[15:10:28] <waddlesplash> I should remove him from that if you added him to Haiku[15:14:02] *** iMe <iMe!~iMe@static-195.84.189.90.addr.tdcsong.se> has quit IRC (Quit: ZZZzzz…)[15:18:14] <jessicah> yeah[15:22:45] <XeonSquared> Alright, I don't think any of my sound cards work under Haiku[15:27:42] <waddlesplash> XeonSquared: all hda?[15:28:18] <XeonSquared> Miscellaneous old PCI audio cards[15:28:49] <XeonSquared> There's a Soundblaster 5.1, a misc other card with a Creative chip on it and some other card[15:30:18] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-xwzlbmqftsbooavm> has joined #haiku[15:34:38] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9c646.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[15:34:49] <stargater> hi[15:40:16] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p5DC23242.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[15:40:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[15:56:21] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-xwzlbmqftsbooavm> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[16:12:33] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!~xemdetia@129.42.208.167> has joined #haiku[16:13:44] *** xemdetia_ <xemdetia_!~xemdetia@129.42.208.167> has joined #haiku[16:13:46] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!~xemdetia@129.42.208.167> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:16:59] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@77.79.212.94> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[16:20:21] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04e637.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[16:20:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[16:21:44] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/2f856d1085a5...b739aa945d7a[16:21:45] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] humdingerb b739aa9 - 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AppleTalk networks?[18:54:54] <humdinger> let's ask the fossil... :)[18:55:00] <Begasus> PulkoMandy ... is there a timeframe on when the beta would be announced?[18:55:34] <PulkoMandy> no[18:55:54] <humdinger> Has there been any progress getting the buildbots running on the official server?[18:55:59] <PulkoMandy> "when it's ready", and I'm waiting for someone to give me or mmlr access to Haiku servers so we can set up the automated package build[18:56:03] <Begasus> ok, because quit a lot of recipes suffer from the libpng issue ...[18:56:30] <PulkoMandy> Begasus: I think I have fixed most things that are in the repo, so it's strange that you still get issues[18:56:31] <Begasus> and some can't even be build anymore (looked into qemacs and xemacs yesterday without luck)[18:56:33] <PulkoMandy> gcc2hybrid?[18:56:36] <humdinger> so that's a no... :\[18:56:40] <PulkoMandy> and did you run a pkgman full-sync?[18:56:48] <Begasus> yep PulkoMandy[18:56:59] <Begasus> not full-sync yet[18:57:16] <PulkoMandy> you should try that, otherwise not all updates will happen[18:57:31] <PulkoMandy> at least look at what it says it will do, and maybe apply only some of the changes manually[18:57:38] <Begasus> bug grepping libpng in the tree showed quit some stuff yesterday[18:57:52] <PulkoMandy> yes, but not everything is available as packages[18:57:59] <PulkoMandy> and I don't plan to change that, for now[18:58:15] <PulkoMandy> which is why I created the release branch and am trying to get everything there to build[18:58:31] <PulkoMandy> creating a "base" set of packages which we ship with beta1[18:58:40] <Begasus> right, but some of the packages are outdated in the current nightly, maybe with full-sync they get uptodate ...[18:58:41] <PulkoMandy> then we can update later on[18:59:21] <Begasus> in VM now, so can't check the files atm ...[19:00:36] <Begasus> and one of our females could go into labor this night ... :)[19:01:52] <Begasus> problem 1: nothing provides lib:libpng_x86>=16.18.0 needed by scummvm_x86-1.7.0-3[19:01:52] <Begasus> solution 1:[19:01:53] <Begasus> - keep scummvm_x86-1.9.0-2 from excluded repository[19:02:24] <Begasus> so atleast one is stopping from doing a full-sync in this VM[19:03:09] <PulkoMandy> yes, right, seems this one needs to be rebuilt[19:03:27] <Begasus> right[19:03:54] *** stippi1 <stippi1!~Thunderbi@p5DC23242.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[19:03:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi1[19:03:59] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p5DC23242.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[19:04:00] *** stippi1 is now known as stippi[19:04:00] <Begasus> would be nice to see it in there (or atleast available) :)[19:04:20] <Begasus> 'lo stippi![19:04:40] <PulkoMandy> q[19:04:57] <PulkoMandy> yes, I will update the package…[19:05:05] <Begasus> thanks![19:09:14] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-wtmcimsnexrvpcaz> has joined #haiku[19:12:01] <Vidrep> humdinger, PulkoMandy, how ironic soming from guys who insist on compiling an operating system using gcc2 in 2017. Touche :)[19:12:10] *** lsitongia <lsitongia!~vision@c-73-14-172-37.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[19:12:43] <humdinger> we only do it for WonderBrush and SyncModular :P[19:14:06] <Vidrep> Don't worry about Zip drives. However, I do still have my Adaptec U160 SCSI card and Seagate drive sitting here...:)[19:15:25] <lsitongia> I installed x86_64 over my 32-bit installation. I sent an email message and it didn't go out. I get a pop-up every minute or so that says that mail_daemon encountered an error and will terminate and clean up. I cannot find the message in the out folder. Where is the message so that I can remove it and stop these pop-ups? Thanks![19:17:08] <Vidrep> humdinger, on a more serious note: your changes didn't change anything - it's still "Page setup" instead of "Paper setup". Any ideas?[19:19:11] <Vidrep> I DL the source last night. I suppose I could muck around in there myself and see if I can find anything.[19:20:54] <humdinger> Vidrep: maybe it's this one: http://xref.plausible.coop/source/xref/haiku/src/libs/print/libprint/PageSetupDlg.cpp#351[19:21:02] <humdinger> printing is a total jungle...[19:27:13] <humdinger> Vidrep: that there could very well be it...[19:28:26] <Vidrep> Yep, I think so too[19:28:44] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[19:29:40] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[19:30:14] <Premislaus> hello[19:30:24] <humdinger> hi[19:31:50] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: humdinger * hrev50897 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=970591cb2d9c+%5Eb01e48c6fb50[19:31:51] <HAIKU-irker458> 970591cb2d9c: Change of window title in print dialog[19:32:10] * Duggan slaps humdinger[19:32:25] <Premislaus> humdinger Thank you for protip with Terminal. I'm using your Clipdinger.[19:32:42] * humdinger cries out in unbelievable pain[19:32:50] <Duggan> nobody uses PIT but me :'([19:32:57] <humdinger> Premislaus: a tip for terminal?[19:33:23] <Premislaus> humdinger Fontsize. On the Trac.[19:33:42] <humdinger> ah, right. It's not totally obvious...[19:34:26] <Premislaus> Duggan What is this PIT? What is best in life?[19:34:27] <humdinger> Maybe those settings should be under a seperate "Session" menu[19:34:28] <Duggan> (shameless plug: https://github.com/DeweyTaylor/PersonalIssueTracker)[19:34:53] <Duggan> still a little buggy, but, frankly, not enough people use it for me to bother :P[19:34:56] <humdinger> Duggan got issues alright...[19:35:18] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-wtmcimsnexrvpcaz> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[19:35:26] <humdinger> no wonder. there isn't even a screenshot... :P[19:35:32] <Duggan> humdinger enough I had to write a program to keep track of them all :P[19:35:36] <Premislaus> Duggan I don't have it in HaikuDepot.[19:35:50] <Duggan> Premislaus you're not going to yet[19:38:38] <Vidrep> humdinger, I like your comments there (getting me involved in any blame) :D[19:38:54] <humdinger> Duggan: use $(STDCPPLIBS) instead of the /boot/system/lib/libstdc++.so and /boot/system/lib/libsupc++.so and we poor gcc2 users can comile it too.[19:39:33] <humdinger> Vidrep: I wouldn't have seen it otherwise. It already was OK for the PDFWriter. only when adding a real printer it showed up.[19:40:33] <humdinger> Duggan: It does look nice anyway![19:40:38] <Duggan> humdinger got it, thanks[19:40:47] <Duggan> humdinger buggy, but it's really handly for smaller personal projects[19:41:03] <Duggan> layout issues, etc[19:41:09] <Duggan> I wrote it before layout was stable :P[19:42:04] <humdinger> You seem to have major plans with it: version is v00.00.07.[19:42:14] <humdinger> can't wait for the v1.0.0[19:42:20] <Duggan> lol[19:42:22] <Duggan> yep[19:42:37] <Duggan> I had the filetype stuff working at one point... kind of...[19:42:40] <Duggan> I need to fix that...[19:42:46] <DKnoto> Hi[19:42:49] <Duggan> I even had an icon for them (I'm no artist...)[19:43:00] <Duggan> hi DKnoto[19:43:10] <humdinger> hullo.[19:43:18] <humdinger> what filetype stuff?[19:43:20] <Duggan> humdinger actually I did have some fairly decent plans...[19:43:28] <Duggan> humdinger double click to open, etc[19:43:52] <Duggan> I actually had a PIT file for it somewhere...[19:44:01] <humdinger> ah. for the projects. yes.[19:44:20] <humdinger> Always nice: an open menu with the last 10 recent files as shortcuts.[19:44:58] <Duggan> add it to the issues on github :)[19:45:14] <Duggan> anything and everything you think of, even new features[19:45:43] <Duggan> I was considering Trac integration too at some point... being able to upload/download trac tickets, synchronize, etc[19:45:51] <Duggan> (much closer to 1.0 :P)[19:46:05] <DKnoto> I have a problem with the compilation of the latest Haiku sources on hrev50885-gcc5-hybrid:[19:46:05] <DKnoto> src/add-ons/media/media-add-ons/dvb/MediaFormat.cpp:31:23: fatal error: avcodec.h: No such file or directory[19:46:05] <DKnoto> compilation terminated.[19:46:05] <DKnoto> Where it can be the avcodec.h file?[19:46:25] <Duggan> I'd like to add blocking/blocked by and dependency graphing[19:46:52] <Duggan> humdinger so yeah... big plans :)[19:46:58] <humdinger> DKnoto: I have one here: /boot/system/develop/headers/libavcodec/avcodec.h[19:47:07] <humdinger> Queries for the win![19:47:41] <DKnoto> Thanks, I am looking...[19:47:54] <humdinger> If I only had a penny for every login with web+ into github...[19:48:05] <Duggan> lol[19:48:12] <Duggan> yeah, tell me about it[19:48:42] <DKnoto> humdinger, but this is strange, it should be in Haiku source tree?[19:48:48] <Duggan> of course attachments would be nice too[19:50:01] <humdinger> DKnoto: it's part of ffmpeg[19:50:11] <Duggan> humdinger a better way for me to approach it might be, instead of having a different database for every project, just have one database with all projects in one location... maybe I'll make that a priority...[19:51:01] <Duggan> github still isn't showing your clone in the traffic graphs :P[19:51:02] <humdinger> good idea. that way everything's fucked when your saving routine bugs out.[19:51:11] <DKnoto> humdinger, I enabled the --include-gpl-addons[19:51:37] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has joined #haiku[19:51:58] <Duggan> humdinger yeah, that's probably why I didn't do it to begin with... no actually, I wanted to be able to copy the db wherever the source goes... so if I wanted to upload the PIT file for PIT,I could put it in the repo and upload it to github so everybody would see the tickets I'm working with (or something like that)[19:52:07] <DKnoto> humdinger, I have this file in the same place[19:52:08] <Duggan> but that isn't really needed[19:52:18] <Duggan> (there's no way to merge dbs anyway)[19:53:20] <humdinger> DKnoto: ok. but what's the issue again? you do have the header file...[19:54:02] <DKnoto> humdinger, thanks, it is done[19:54:14] <humdinger> yay :)[19:54:38] <Begasus> going down here (for now) ..could be that it will be a long night, evening peeps![19:54:50] * humdinger waves[19:54:54] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begasus@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[19:55:34] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to master [+6/-0/±0] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/b739aa945d7a...63287714ff2f[19:55:35] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] moochris 6328771 - Added post about launchers (#20)[19:56:23] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[19:59:32] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[20:00:14] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p5DC23242.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[20:00:55] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p5DC23242.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[20:00:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[20:03:53] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@150.237.94.36> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[20:04:21] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@150.237.94.36> has joined #haiku[20:04:56] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-100-143.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[20:05:13] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.71.49.239.mobile.tre.se> has joined #haiku[20:05:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[20:08:03] <Duggan> humdinger there, I added screenshots, are you happy?[20:09:37] *** Muzer <Muzer!~muzer@tim32.org> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[20:09:53] <humdinger> Duggan: better.[20:10:14] * humdinger mubles but they should be linked in the readme.md so all can see 'em...[20:10:20] <humdinger> *mumbles[20:10:32] <Duggan> linked?[20:11:29] <humdinger> like [screenshot01.jpeg] or whatever the markdown is for that[20:12:05] <humdinger> https://stackedit.io/editor is a nice markdown editor, I think[20:12:16] <Duggan> :/ yeah I don't have a clue what kind of markup is supposed to be used here...[20:12:32] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-89-0-224-222.netcologne.de> has joined #haiku[20:12:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jua_[20:13:10] <humdinger> [20:13:14] <humdinger> says the editor[20:13:37] <Duggan> wait, what? it does UML?... spiffy[20:16:04] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:19:34] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[20:20:29] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p5DC23242.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: stippi)[20:20:42] <Duggan> yeah this is crap[20:21:51] <Duggan> humdinger you haven't opened any issues yet I see... lol[20:22:33] <humdinger> I'll try to use it abit first.[20:22:49] <humdinger> however, I'm a pretty un-organized guy....[20:22:58] <Duggan> no, I meant on github :P[20:23:06] <humdinger> I know.[20:23:08] <Duggan> well that's the point of the thing... to help you get organized :P[20:23:13] <humdinger> but I have to use it to see issues.[20:23:20] <Duggan> lol[20:23:25] <humdinger> I know, I know. I'll be learning...[20:23:42] <humdinger> but first I'm away for a bit.[20:23:49] <Duggan> aight[20:23:50] * humdinger is idle: forabit[20:23:53] *** akirabit <akirabit!~a3@26.red-88-28-141.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has joined #haiku[20:25:06] *** akirabit <akirabit!~a3@26.red-88-28-141.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:25:39] *** Muzer <Muzer!~muzer@tim32.org> has joined #haiku[20:28:58] *** ryoshu <ryoshu!~kamil@netbsd/developer/kamil> has joined #haiku[20:34:49] *** bitkid <bitkid!~bitkid@x1-6-c0-ff-d4-9c-db-ec.cpe.webspeed.dk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[20:36:34] <Premislaus> jessicah Is viable to install Haiku from your image or I must wait for uefi loader in the regular nightly builds? I'm asking about possible breakges.[20:36:55] <Premislaus> jessicah There will be uefi loader for gcc2h?[20:37:44] <Premislaus> I want to dual boot Haiku and NetBSD. Is good to use Haiku Bootloader for this purpose?[20:38:28] <Duggan> Premislaus you cannot boot gcc2h with efi[20:38:56] <Duggan> Premislaus uefi only works with x86_64[20:40:24] <Premislaus> Duggan Pitty that, I want to have in the bootloader: 1. Haiku x86_64, 2. Haiku gcc2h, 3. NetBSD or some Unix for backup (multimedia, video editing).[20:40:39] <Duggan> Premislaus can't do that with efi[20:40:56] <Duggan> Premislaus but if you want to make a x86_64/gcc2 hybrid, patches are welcome :D[20:40:59] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has joined #haiku[20:41:22] <Premislaus> Duggan I have CSM OS in EFI, but - https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13200[20:42:28] <Duggan> Premislaus yeah, it doesn't work for whatever reason... you have to use x86_64 and boot with the efi loader[20:42:41] <Premislaus> Duggan I'm wating with installation, because DriveSetup is not able to create partition - https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13216 . Linux partition tools are good for creating BFS?[20:43:19] <Duggan> Premislaus I believe the linux tools refer to it as BeFS (BFS is some crap they dreamed up after Be already claimed BFS)[20:43:35] <Duggan> as far as how effective and reliable they are, I have no clue, I don't use linux[20:44:30] <Premislaus> Duggan What OS's your using?[20:44:41] <Vidrep> Duggan, "Patches are Welcome" - if I hear it again I'm going to vomit :P[20:44:52] <Duggan> Premislaus Haiku[20:44:53] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:45:02] <Duggan> Vidrep if you don't like it, patches are welcome ;D[20:45:10] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[20:45:14] <Duggan> wb Premislaus[20:45:18] <Duggan> Premislaus Haiku[20:45:39] <Vidrep> bleeeeeeh[20:45:43] <Premislaus> Duggan Wait. I killed Vision insted Web+, for accident.[20:45:56] <Premislaus> Duggan Only Haiku?[20:46:01] <Duggan> right now, yes[20:46:17] <Duggan> that's what I mean when I say "when I use Haiku, I USE Haiku[20:46:18] <Duggan> "[20:46:26] <Duggan> I mean I ONLY use Haiku[20:46:38] <Duggan> otherwise, windows[20:46:59] <Duggan> but any windows >= 8 sucks[20:48:54] <Duggan> and by sucks, I mean it makes me feel like Vidrep does when I say "patches welcome"[20:49:36] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:50:54] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[21:06:22] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-okmiypvojtibetla> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[21:10:02] * humdinger has returned[21:12:42] <Duggan> wb[21:12:48] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[21:12:49] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/63287714ff2f...0b8ab0495d14[21:12:51] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] humdingerb 0b8ab04 - Fixed layout of Chris' blog post[21:15:27] <Duggan> humdinger you must've already cloned it and never used it... that or github only updates their stats once a day :P[21:18:06] <Duggan> PalEdit DID have some very important differences from Pe... namely Paladin integration with the Project and Search menus at least[21:18:27] <Duggan> well, the project menu[21:19:07] <Duggan> "Jump to next error" in search does nothing in Pe[21:20:22] <humdinger> Duggan: github shows the number of clones?[21:21:14] <Duggan> humdinger yeah graphs->traffic[21:21:32] <humdinger> aha[21:22:17] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[21:24:42] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[21:25:13] <Vidrep> humdinger, that last change to the print dialog was it. All OK now.[21:25:25] <humdinger> finally! :)[21:25:34] <humdinger> printing still suck though... :)[21:26:01] <Duggan> the only thing I hate about printing is the expense :([21:26:44] <Vidrep> Functionally te print does suck on Haiku depending on what you're printing[21:26:54] <humdinger> yes. that's also why I try not to...[21:27:07] <Vidrep> Printing from PDF seems decent enough[21:27:41] <Vidrep> Printing from GoBe is good as well. StyledEdit...not so much[21:27:51] <Duggan> they've got open source hardware now, why not make an open source printer... and most importantly homebrew ink[21:28:02] <Vidrep> Pe doesn't print at all[21:28:40] <Vidrep> I wonder if something in that app was disabled[21:28:49] <Duggan> printing[21:29:07] <Duggan> just a guess ;)[21:30:56] <Vidrep> humdinger, is the only src files for pe available on HaikuArchives?[21:31:14] <Premislaus> Duggan Homebrew ink? There is no calamares in my region (mainland).[21:31:35] <Duggan> no clue what that is[21:31:43] <Vidrep> Squid[21:31:48] <humdinger> Vidrep: I think so. was transferred from oliver, I think.[21:31:55] <Duggan> oh... we got squids here :P[21:32:18] <Duggan> I'm sure a carbon black suspension would do well enough[21:32:40] <Vidrep> No data ever gets sent to the printer from Pe[21:34:17] <Premislaus> Duggan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squid_as_food and https://calamares.io/ (we can to drill some Linux developer for Vidrep ink for cartridges)[21:34:23] <Vidrep> ditto for DiskProbe...no data sent to printer[21:34:51] <Premislaus> Ink is made from calamari.[21:35:06] <Vidrep> Please do, ink is expensive...especially when you're testing several[21:35:27] <Vidrep> You guys...:D[21:37:25] <Duggan> Premislaus I know what calamari is, just didn't know what "calamares" are :P[21:38:18] <Vidrep> Having the ability to print webpages directly from Web+ would be nice, but not expected anytime soon I'm afraid[21:38:20] <Duggan> Premislaus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_black#Pigment[21:40:27] <Duggan> Premislaus and you're also wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squid_ink#Use_by_humans[21:41:02] <Vidrep> I'd rather eat 'em rather than print 'em[21:41:26] <Vidrep> My wife makes very good squid dishes[21:42:17] <Duggan> I haven't eaten squid in a while[21:43:53] <Vidrep> Duggan, you're in Alabama or somehwere in the US south, right?[21:43:56] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/0b8ab0495d14...81a7b2fef0c4[21:43:57] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] humdingerb 81a7b2f - Exchanged one image of Chris' blog post[21:44:12] <Duggan> Vidrep yes, Mississippi[21:44:54] <Vidrep> What has four eyes but can't see? Bad joke :)[21:44:56] *** lsitongia <lsitongia!~vision@c-73-14-172-37.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[21:45:16] <Duggan> hehehe[21:46:16] <Vidrep> If Canada is America's hat, then that makes America Canada's ...[21:46:30] <Duggan> head?[21:47:02] <Vidrep> Hardly :D[21:47:11] <Duggan> that's usually what's under a hat...[21:47:23] <Vidrep> I heard that so many times when I was in Texas[21:47:23] <Premislaus> Duggan Yeah, I kno, I want to joke about "calamares" - linux installer.[21:47:26] <Premislaus> *know[21:47:46] <Duggan> Premislaus oh lol, I never heard of it :P[21:47:53] <Duggan> like I said... I don't use Linux[21:48:07] <Duggan> I have, on occasion... but generally don't[21:48:24] <Vidrep> I use Linux for cross testing hardware[21:49:07] <Vidrep> eg. same lib, same app, works on Linux, not working on Haiku. Why?[21:49:21] <Duggan> if I use Linux, I use SuSE... I tried installing BSD once but that was an utterly doomed attempt[21:49:42] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[21:50:58] <Vidrep> Talking about BSD, Theo de Raadt (OpenBSD) lives not too far from me[21:51:25] <Vidrep> Never met him though. I've heard he's a bit diffucult[21:51:32] *** [JJ]Albert__ is now known as [JJ]Albert[21:55:14] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has joined #haiku[21:55:19] <Vidrep> When trying to jam Pe from master I get this error: "You need to have pcre installed on your system."[21:56:06] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:56:28] <Duggan> Vidrep do you have pcre installed on your system?[21:56:57] <Vidrep> As far as I know it is installed with the nightly image[21:57:11] <Duggan> try HaikuDepot[21:57:21] <humdinger> you need the _devel, Vidrep[21:57:37] <Vidrep> humdinger to the rescue[21:58:35] <Vidrep> There's a bunch of different ones in Depot[21:58:53] <Duggan> download them all :P[21:59:08] <Duggan> or download libpcre_devel if you don't want them all :P[21:59:57] <Vidrep> libpcre isn't included in Depot. That means building it myself with HaikuPorter[22:00:59] <humdinger> should be in there...[22:01:14] <humdinger> do a "pkgman search pcre"[22:01:33] <Duggan> it shows up for x86_64[22:01:45] <humdinger> you need libpcre_devel and libpcre for gcc2[22:02:04] <humdinger> or are you on 64bitses?[22:02:24] <Duggan> no, I'm saying it shows up for x86_64.... that means it almost certainly should show up for gcc2[22:02:58] <humdinger> it does for me too fwiw[22:03:35] * Duggan thinks someone must be using a gcc3 non-hybrid...[22:08:10] <Vidrep> This is a fresh x86_gcc2 install with one pkgman update. The dev package isn't installed by default[22:08:26] <Vidrep> Anyway, I'm building it now[22:09:55] <Vidrep> The default install is libpcre 8.38. HaikuPorts version is 8.39[22:10:39] <Vidrep> Now it's working :)[22:12:17] <humdinger> good luck![22:12:22] <humdinger> I'm off counting sheep[22:12:29] <humdinger> night everyone![22:12:30] <Duggan> l8r humdinger[22:12:41] * humdinger yawns[22:12:44] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04e637.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[22:13:20] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has joined #haiku[22:19:19] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:21:17] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has joined #haiku[22:23:43] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has quit IRC (Quit: 15 minutes with you / oh, I wouldn't say no... I wear black on the outside because black is how I feel on the inside... Uso negro por fuera porque negro me siento por dentro... http://youtu.be/xldmXca0kvg ...The Smiths - "Unloveable")[22:24:06] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has joined #haiku[22:25:31] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-34-74.bix.bellsouth.net> has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host)[22:26:08] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-34-74.bix.bellsouth.net> has joined #haiku[22:26:20] <Duggan> DejaVu font locks up Haiku completely[22:27:14] <Duggan> and Pe doesn't list it as an available font when it's installed[22:30:51] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 4 commits to master [+8/-2/±3] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/a61ef5e93fec...850dd70bf0ac[22:30:52] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli acf9b00 - mesa: bump version.[22:30:54] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli ff73075 - llvm: add recipe for version 3.9.1.[22:30:55] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli a32f752 - flac: update the checksum.[22:30:57] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 850dd70 - llvm: add recipe for trunk.[22:32:57] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Quiit...)[22:33:49] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[22:35:30] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:47:10] *** juafromspace <juafromspace!~jua@xdsl-89-0-224-222.netcologne.de> has joined #haiku[22:47:10] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-89-0-224-222.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:47:22] *** juafromspace is now known as jua_[22:48:17] <Duggan> I just lost days of coding[22:48:38] <Duggan> when DejaVu crashed Haiku, every source file I had opened was corrupted[22:53:41] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+3/-3/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/850dd70bf0ac...a910365ad934[22:53:43] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli a910365 - qt5: bump version.[22:59:12] <Premislaus> Duggan no backup?[22:59:20] <Premislaus> Duggan Maybe try another editor[22:59:27] <Premislaus> Duggan or checkfs /boot[23:00:35] <Premislaus> Duggan maybe another editor will be able to open[23:00:41] <Duggan> just created a ticket... I hope someone bumps it from normal priority...[23:00:50] <Duggan> no, Premislaus.... it's corrupted[23:00:56] <Duggan> like.... bad corrupted[23:01:04] <Premislaus> Duggan try checkfs /boot in Terminal[23:01:10] <Duggan> one of them had a list of terminal commands[23:01:17] <Duggan> yeah, I'm already running it[23:01:25] <PulkoMandy> checkfs can make things worse in some cases :/[23:01:44] <Premislaus> Duggan oh crap, sorry for my advice...[23:01:57] <Duggan> no, I had already tried running it anyway[23:02:07] <Duggan> "in some cases"... hope this isn't one of them...[23:02:57] <Premislaus> Duggan There is a soft for revocery from BFS - http://www.pinc-software.de/docs/BFS-tools.html ![23:03:21] <Duggan> but what the hell do I have to lose.... all the rest of my code is junk anyway...[23:03:57] <Duggan> checkfs didn't fix anything...[23:04:51] <Duggan> Premislaus and which of those tools runs on x86_64?[23:04:58] <Duggan> I appreciate it, but it obviously does me no good...[23:05:31] <Premislaus> Duggan Run live cd with gcc2, but on my computer does not work...[23:06:03] <Duggan> Premislaus.......... you realize you can't boot gcc2 on an EFI machine, right?...[23:06:04] <Premislaus> Or zip thes file, or clone partition and compress it, upload and beg on IRC for someone.[23:06:23] <Duggan> Premislaus there's nothing I can do[23:06:28] <Duggan> I appreciate the help, but there's no way to fix it[23:06:45] <Premislaus> Duggan Do yo have another computer, compatuble with gcc2?[23:06:47] <PulkoMandy> bfs_recover does run on x86_64[23:06:58] <PulkoMandy> fixed it after my last hdd crash because it needed more than 2GB RAM[23:07:11] <PulkoMandy> you need the version that's in Haiku sources, not the old one from axel website, however[23:07:16] <PulkoMandy> (jam -q bfs_recover)[23:07:22] <PulkoMandy> needs another disk with a lot of space[23:08:00] <Duggan> I don't have another disk with a lot of space :/[23:08:19] <Duggan> I only have 2 other partitions that are about 14 gigs each[23:09:01] <Duggan> PulkoMandy doesn't know how to make it[23:09:20] <Duggan> jam doesnt*[23:13:25] <PulkoMandy> ah right, jam -q recover[23:15:52] *** Shearer <Shearer!~shearer@net-93-144-146-186.cust.dsl.teletu.it> has joined #haiku[23:16:02] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:16:31] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:17:15] <Duggan> got it that time... now to figure out where it's at...[23:19:47] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy why is revocer not by default in Haiku?[23:19:47] <Premislaus> *recover[23:20:05] <Duggan> PulkoMandy do I need the -i or -d switch?[23:20:22] <Duggan> Premislaus probably to keep people that don't know what they're doing from ruining their install[23:20:58] <Premislaus> Duggan some warnning will be enough.[23:23:31] <Premislaus> I think -id[23:23:59] <Premislaus> http://www.pinc-software.de/docs/BFS-tools.html#recover[23:24:31] <Premislaus> Duggan Maybe wait for Pulkomandy or axeld[23:26:49] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begasus@d54c3c8c2.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[23:29:05] <PulkoMandy> I don't remember[23:29:23] <Premislaus> Duggan You are waiting or doing it?[23:29:30] *** BrunoSpre <BrunoSpre!~vision@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[23:29:50] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/a910365ad934...537f946ecc47[23:29:51] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 537f946 - libebook: enable x86_64.[23:30:12] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has joined #haiku[23:30:22] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:30:54] <Duggan> I guess I'm going to go ahead and do it... PulkoMandy can I do it on the active partition or do I need to boot elsewhere?[23:32:40] <Duggan> I've used over 18 gigs on this partition so I can't copy everything to another one, they're too small...[23:37:08] <Duggan> here goes nothing...[23:37:42] <Duggan> didn't work :/[23:38:07] <Premislaus> Duggan maybe try with -r[23:38:13] <Premislaus> from the doc[23:38:13] <Duggan> I'll have to worry about it later, I have things i need to do this evening[23:39:36] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: I need sleep)[23:40:01] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:40:28] <Duggan> in the mean time, I'm shutting down to hopefully prevent any further loss[23:40:37] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-34-74.bix.bellsouth.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[23:44:54] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@78.red-88-19-220.staticip.rima-tde.net> has joined #haiku[23:45:16] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±3] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/537f946ecc47...58fd75551223[23:45:17] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 3bfd4c8 - libebook: bump revision.[23:45:19] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 9960160 - libodfgen: enable x86_64.[23:45:20] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 58fd755 - libabw: enable x86_64.[23:46:51] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.71.49.239.mobile.tre.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Lämnar)[23:48:13] <Vidrep> I'm no coder, but I managed to get printing working on Pe (pure luck)[23:49:44] <Vidrep> In CPrefsDialog.cpp all that's needed is to change all instances of PrJob to PrintJob[23:51:02] <Vidrep> Also printJob.SetSettings(s) changes to printJob.SetSettings - getting rid of the (s)[23:56:09] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@77.79.212.94> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[23:58:28] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@78.red-88-19-220.staticip.rima-tde.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)