January 22, 2017 
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January 22, 2017 [00:01:17] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!~dario@181.46.220.255> has joined #haiku[00:05:48] *** Barrett_ <Barrett_!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[00:05:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett_[00:07:05] *** Barrett__ <Barrett__!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[00:07:36] <BrunoSpre> the media input is blank[00:08:02] <BrunoSpre> it works but I cannot coose the input in the media prefs[00:08:25] <BrunoSpre> i use hrev 50849[00:11:04] *** ppisati_ <ppisati_!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has joined #haiku[00:12:52] *** ksx4system <ksx4system!~ksx4syste@eris.mgst.eu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[00:12:59] *** geoid <geoid!~geoid@94.8.217.215> has joined #haiku[00:13:09] *** ksx4system <ksx4system!~ksx4syste@eris.mgst.eu> has joined #haiku[00:14:05] *** ppisati <ppisati!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:15:15] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A28D7A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: euver)[00:15:24] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[00:16:20] <BrunoSpre> I am going to try the live cd hrev. 50887[00:16:22] *** BrunoSpre <BrunoSpre!~vision@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[00:20:32] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:21:15] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[00:23:34] *** lelldorin <lelldorin!~chatzilla@x4e36386f.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 42.0/20151029151421])[00:26:22] *** ppisati_ <ppisati_!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:28:31] *** ppisati <ppisati!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has joined #haiku[00:33:52] *** ppisati_ <ppisati_!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has joined #haiku[00:35:58] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-89-0-252-28.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Quit: bai)[00:36:22] *** ppisati <ppisati!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[00:38:59] *** savant_d <savant_d!~savant@178.162.117.40> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[00:42:22] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-5.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[00:45:35] *** BrunoSpre <BrunoSpre!~vision@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[00:51:24] *** ppisati_ <ppisati_!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[00:53:22] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:54:22] *** Guma <Guma!~Guma@c-73-211-254-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:56:21] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-slqpizxypbgopmsp> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[00:58:42] *** ppisati <ppisati!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has joined #haiku[01:03:18] *** ppisati <ppisati!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[01:07:28] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-62-248.bix.bellsouth.net> has joined #haiku[01:07:29] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[01:16:09] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@2a02:c7d:9b9e:f300:19bd:d932:6720:9521> has quit IRC ()[01:18:58] *** ppisati <ppisati!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has joined #haiku[01:20:20] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cjamilvfmlwpilae> has joined #haiku[01:20:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[01:22:14] *** ppisati <ppisati!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[01:23:52] *** ppisati <ppisati!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has joined #haiku[01:27:12] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, thanks[01:27:29] <waddlesplash> np[01:27:36] <waddlesplash> enjoying the new website?[01:27:53] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@apn-31-0-36-212.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[01:28:09] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, I created 2 issues for BePDF and 2 for Pe over at HaikuArchives (all printing related)[01:28:29] <Vidrep> So far looks good. Even on my iPhone[01:31:52] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-62-248.bix.bellsouth.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[01:33:44] <bbjimmy> anybody know why this is happening? https://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-depot-web/not-updating-my-repo should I file a bug report?[01:35:32] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@118.149.249.192> has joined #haiku[01:35:51] <BrunoSpre> Is it Hugo system?[01:36:12] <bbjimmy> Also, it would be nice to have yab and yab-IDE updated in haikuports.[01:36:14] <BrunoSpre> the new website is made with Hugo? static?[01:37:33] <mmu_man> AndrewZ: it depends on the model[01:37:49] <waddlesplash> BrunoSpre: mmhmm[01:38:55] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-wzeqorhdkmywezth> has joined #haiku[01:39:31] <gbl08ma> the website is really good.[01:39:45] <gbl08ma> so good, that when I read "welcome to the new website", I was confused for a bit, as I didn't notice the changes[01:39:48] <waddlesplash> :)[01:39:56] <gbl08ma> but on the phone I definitely notice them :)[01:40:36] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, we should have a link to the Haiku user map linked on the main page[01:40:42] <gbl08ma> I used Hugo the other day to put up a simple website on github pages, and it was a breeze. I had no idea it could be used in more complicated setups[01:41:19] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-wzeqorhdkmywezth> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[01:42:10] <Vidrep> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1QKA5abFUSzgvN93WRnvKd1JrJSQ&usp=sharing[01:42:27] <waddlesplash> gbl08ma: oh yeah, setup is pretty complex[01:44:47] <Vidrep> There's so much going on now - new webpage, package buildbots, plus the usual stuff[01:46:36] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@c-68-41-4-65.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[01:46:36] *** HaikuUser2 is now known as SMCollins[01:46:40] <BrunoSpre> yes I tried Hugo as well... but it is much to learn... and not so much documentation...[01:46:49] <BrunoSpre> very good work waddle....[01:47:03] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has joined #haiku[01:48:11] *** BrunoSpre <BrunoSpre!~vision@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[01:48:20] *** SMCollins <SMCollins!~vision@c-68-41-4-65.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[01:49:27] <Vidrep> +1 to what BrunoSpre said[01:50:19] <bbjimmy> much faster loading![01:51:13] *** SMC <SMC!~vision@c-68-41-4-65.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[01:51:51] *** SMC is now known as SMCollins[01:52:41] <SMCollins> holla[01:52:41] *** jstressman <jstressman!~justin@2601:407:c300:a5ef:6050:2225:800:b0b7> has left #haiku[01:53:26] <Vidrep> That piggy bank could use an update - Dec. 8, 2016[01:56:54] *** SMCollins <SMCollins!~vision@c-68-41-4-65.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[01:59:21] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[02:17:42] *** lsitongia <lsitongia!~vision@c-73-14-172-37.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[02:21:16] *** KapiX <KapiX!~kacper@89-65-138-76.dynamic.chello.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: KapiX)[02:29:10] *** wesbl 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<Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[03:30:21] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[03:38:38] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9c668.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[03:47:59] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-bskcgwtllduhkoxy> has joined #haiku[03:55:34] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #144 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid-debug is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid-debug/builds/144[04:07:00] *** Barrett_ <Barrett_!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:32:47] *** return0__ <return0__!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[04:32:47] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[04:34:10] *** return0__ <return0__!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:37:27] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[04:48:20] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-bskcgwtllduhkoxy> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[04:49:02] *** King_Warg <King_Warg!~Wildman@184-15-18-53.dr01.chtn.wv.frontiernet.net> has joined #haiku[05:18:21] <Duggan> hej waddlesplash are you around?[05:18:52] <waddlesplash> sort of[05:18:55] <waddlesplash> whuzzup[05:19:02] <Duggan> clicking on "Get Haiku" on the front page in Web+ pops up a window: "Error loading https://www.haiku-os.org/get-haiku: Bad data"[05:19:15] <waddlesplash> Duggan: web+ bug, already reported[05:19:24] <Duggan> waddlesplash oh ok, I didn't see it in the comments[05:19:28] <Duggan> thanks[05:19:52] <waddlesplash> np[05:20:22] <Duggan> searching "haiku nightly", first result is a bad link[05:20:55] <Duggan> not sure even what that link is... what is the aggregator directory?[05:22:34] <ohnx> waddlesplash: what causes?[05:23:15] <waddlesplash> Duggan: something that got removed[05:23:30] <waddlesplash> Duggan: Google has of course not updated their index yet[05:23:35] <waddlesplash> ohnx: idk[05:23:55] <waddlesplash> ohnx: I didn't make an attempt to dig around in the network kit to figure it out[05:24:09] <ohnx> ok[05:24:44] <ohnx> must be something about the response? what changed about the website ?[05:24:59] *** AndrewZ <AndrewZ!4a4b0cb6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.75.12.182> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[05:27:09] <waddlesplash> uh literally everything[05:27:32] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-tdkcggmfjmvsdfgh> has joined #haiku[05:28:19] <ohnx> i mean the host[05:33:07] <Duggan> waddlesplash ah ok[05:34:18] <waddlesplash> ohnx: since the network kit has custom HTTP and HTTPS handling it could be anything really[05:34:49] <ohnx> but if it worked before and stopped working now.. :>[05:35:26] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-5.moscow.rt.ru> has joined #haiku[05:35:46] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@c-73-185-123-140.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[05:37:42] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@c-73-185-123-140.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[05:50:08] <waddlesplash> ohnx: yes, PulkoMandy will look into it[05:50:28] <ohnx> i would, too, if internet would work on this silly vm[05:52:09] <ohnx> change adapter[05:53:23] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:54:53] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!~dario@181.46.220.255> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[06:08:54] *** wesbl <wesbl!~wesbl@host196-128-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:09:47] *** wesbl <wesbl!~wesbl@host196-128-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined 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illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[07:31:17] *** wesbl <wesbl!~wesbl@host196-128-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[07:41:01] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[07:45:04] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[07:47:11] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[07:47:47] <Begasus> moin[07:50:16] *** ADS_Sr <ADS_Sr!~ADS_Sr@cpe-173-175-17-54.hot.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[08:00:26] <owenca> hello[08:00:56] <Begasus> hi owenca[08:02:29] <XeonSquared> Will installed Haiku use less memory than live Haiku?[08:03:41] <Begasus> atm here 914MiB (16%)[08:08:15] <owenca> hi Begasus is PSTE a predefined message?[08:08:23] <XeonSquared> I have a 128M machine[08:08:35] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d859b59.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[08:08:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[08:09:13] <Diver> XeonSquared: it won't boot with 128M most likely[08:09:21] <XeonSquared> It did.[08:09:29] <XeonSquared> Tracker and desktop came up quite happily[08:09:35] <Diver> interesting[08:09:38] <XeonSquared> But on attempting to do stuff both disappeared :D[08:10:07] <FlyingJester> I've run it under 256 MB setups with Qemu very comfortably.[08:11:04] <OmniMancer> XeonSquared: one thing that you would get with installing it is the ability to add virtual memory[08:11:04] <Begasus> moin humdinger :)[08:11:16] <Begasus> morning Diver, all :)[08:11:22] <XeonSquared> yeah that'd be the trick[08:11:27] <Diver> morning :)[08:11:28] <humdinger> hullo Begasus..., guys, gals[08:12:13] *** jstressman <jstressman!~justin@2601:407:c300:a5ef:799a:a690:3636:40b9> has joined #haiku[08:13:05] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-tdkcggmfjmvsdfgh> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[08:14:19] <FlyingJester> The live system doesn't have virtual memory? Like, no overcommit, or no swap?[08:15:05] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9c668.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[08:21:25] <Begasus> moin stargater[08:24:00] <OmniMancer> FlyingJester: I haven't used haiku in ages, but running of a CD it definitely can't have swap and I can't remember if the kernel will overcommit without swap available[08:30:52] *** savant_d <savant_d!~savant@178.162.117.40> has joined #haiku[08:31:01] <Duggan> hey guys, sorry I haven't been around, I know you all miss me.... I've been working on SkyNet...[08:31:06] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] jessicah pushed 1 commit to Extra-line-break-around-more [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/commit/b992ae33967b[08:31:07] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] jessicah b992ae3 - Add extra line breaks around <!--more-->[08:32:24] * humdinger pulls Duggan's plug before it's too late[08:32:31] <Duggan> just you wait ;)[08:49:48] *** scottmc <scottmc!~scottmc@c-67-174-194-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[08:50:07] *** scottmc <scottmc!~scottmc@c-67-174-194-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[08:51:08] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[08:51:47] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: apl * hrev50890 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=b6c8f81bf8c3+%5E3ef97f9a63f0[08:51:48] <HAIKU-irker458> b6c8f81bf8c3: build: add support for build paths for 'homebrew' package system on macOS[08:54:39] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] jessicah pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±449] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/6e2ec05accd2...6f1fdf12c6ae[08:54:40] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] jessicah 6f1fdf1 - Add whitespace around <!--more--> delimiter.[08:54:57] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] jessicah deleted branch Extra-line-break-around-more[08:55:34] <PulkoMandy> hi[08:55:54] <scottmc> hey[08:56:05] <PulkoMandy> XeonSquared: when running live, there is a "write overlay" where all your changes to the filesystem are stored in RAM. So yes, running from a writable disk instead reduces memory use a little[08:56:26] <PulkoMandy> owenca: I think all predefined messages in Haiku start with an _[08:57:41] <XeonSquared> alrighty[08:57:43] <owenca> hi PulkoMandy![08:57:56] <XeonSquared> the trick will be getting it installed[08:58:54] <owenca> PulkoMandy I still don't know where PSTE comes from or what it means[08:59:12] <owenca> did grep PSTE *.cpp *.h in source[08:59:36] <owenca> also tried your suggestion git grep PSTE in WheresMyMouse[08:59:53] <owenca> it doesn't exist in any of the files[09:00:42] <owenca> I was asking whether it's possible tor trace it say in a debugger?[09:01:00] <owenca> *to[09:01:02] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[09:01:18] <PulkoMandy> ah, you are right, it is from Haiku[09:01:20] <PulkoMandy> [x86_gcc2] /Dev/Haiku/haiku# git grep PSTE[09:01:21] <PulkoMandy> headers/os/app/AppDefs.h: B_PASTE = 'PSTE',[09:02:14] <owenca> oh must be the drag & drop, which is equivalent to copy & paste?[09:03:45] <PulkoMandy> maybe, or someone is trying to paste something[09:04:21] <PulkoMandy> there is a spybmessage command, but it is not shipped with haiku so you have to compile it yourself[09:04:24] <PulkoMandy> and it crashes sometimes[09:05:19] <owenca> it only happens when i drag a color from WonderBrush and drop it to the demo area[09:05:58] <owenca> does haiku automatically send a PSTE with drag & drop?[09:06:10] <PulkoMandy> I don't know, but the Be Book probably doe[09:06:11] <PulkoMandy> s[09:07:04] <PulkoMandy> https://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/TheInterfaceKit_Overview.html[09:07:10] <PulkoMandy> there is a section about drag and drop here[09:07:21] <PulkoMandy> WebPositive says "bad data" so I will try to debug that now[09:07:36] <owenca> ok[09:09:17] <owenca> I will study it tomorrow. i mean in the morning[09:20:42] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev50891 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=a7359754615a+%5Eb6c8f81bf8c3[09:20:43] <HAIKU-irker458> a7359754615a: Sync atheros813x with FreeBSD[09:20:57] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-dkcrwmzyincsvkpw> has joined #haiku[09:26:21] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cjamilvfmlwpilae> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[09:30:10] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev50892 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=b285b436e71b+%5Ea7359754615a[09:30:11] <HAIKU-irker458> b285b436e71b: Screenshot: better error handling on save[09:32:56] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] jessicah pushed 1 commit to left-justify-panel-links [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/commit/d448ce6abe88[09:32:57] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] jessicah d448ce6 - Left justify links in sidebar panels.[09:35:08] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-dkcrwmzyincsvkpw> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[09:36:19] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[09:37:00] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev50893 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=2332ebfd5240+%5Eb285b436e71b[09:37:01] <HAIKU-irker458> 88510bc04088: ControlLook: Fix drawing of right bottom tab corner.`[09:37:02] <HAIKU-irker458> 2332ebfd5240: ControlLook: Add side parameter to tab drawing functions.[09:37:29] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[09:37:32] <jessicah> Premislaus: my UEFI work is already merged to master[09:38:34] <FlyingJester> Is it still only amd64, or is it in the 32-bit builds too now?[09:38:36] <jessicah> humdinger: yes, I agree, there's still a lot of tweaking to make it look nicer[09:38:47] <jessicah> FlyingJester: no 32-bit support[09:39:29] <humdinger> maybe, now that it's not obscure Drupal anymore, some html-artist feels inspired to come up with a new theme.[09:40:03] <PulkoMandy> yes, the plan was to migrate the backend first, and then see about improving the look[09:40:12] <PulkoMandy> (or replacing it completely)[09:40:31] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[09:40:44] <humdinger> For Beta it may be too late, but who cares...[09:40:48] <PulkoMandy> I would experiment with something closer to the look of https://api.haiku-os.org/ but I have enough things to do already[09:41:22] <humdinger> yes. let's get rid of the blue frame and huge header[09:42:08] <Premislaus> jessicah: Yeah I know, but I'm using Your special build with EFI, and regular nightly 64-bit do not boot on my computer.[09:42:19] <jessicah> why do you want to replace the theme?[09:42:34] <jessicah> it's one of the nicer looking websites out there[09:42:51] <jessicah> Premislaus: the only thing special is the UEFI loader[09:43:00] <jessicah> you can update it like any other x86_64 build[09:43:28] <jessicah> regular nightlies don't boot because they don't contan the UEFI loader[09:43:36] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: I tend to avoid web design, because people never agree with my ideas on design anyway :o)[09:43:37] <jessicah> as I haven't looked into figuring that out yet[09:43:37] <humdinger> I'm a bit fed up with it, jessicah. the blue frame around it looks too much like a mourning band. :)[09:43:48] <jessicah> a what now?[09:44:11] <humdinger> like on cards when someone died...[09:44:15] <humdinger> the black border.[09:44:18] <Premislaus> Yes I'm updating it, I'm not that dumb ;). But tour build lacks Mesa3D and I have framebuffer driver instead of radeon or r600g.[09:44:18] <jessicah> the margins need some tidying up[09:44:20] <humdinger> I'm missing the right word...[09:44:32] <Premislaus> *your build[09:44:34] <jessicah> Premislaus: well, that's a problem with the driver[09:44:38] <jessicah> not anything specific to uefi[09:44:53] <jessicah> you should be able to install mesa[09:45:11] <Premislaus> jessicah: Why regular nightly do not has uefi loader?[09:45:13] <jessicah> humdinger: eh, I use a layout like that on my blog[09:45:18] <jessicah> I think it looks fine[09:45:25] <jessicah> Premislaus: limitations of jam[09:45:27] <humdinger> jessicah: my condolences. :P[09:45:34] <jessicah> humdinger: haha[09:45:41] <Premislaus> jessicah: On your build Mesa is not installed by defulat? I must check it.[09:45:51] <jessicah> I like the centered look; lots of pages these days are way too wide[09:46:05] <jessicah> Premislaus: I don't know; it's a regular nightly build as far as I know[09:46:27] <humdinger> I wish it would be just as wide as my browser window. then I'd be in control.[09:46:41] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: it is, for small enough windows[09:47:10] <humdinger> right...[09:47:18] <PulkoMandy> I think that is fine, because a very large website is hard to read (you get lost when moving from one line of text to the next)[09:47:31] <jessicah> humdinger: zoom? :p[09:47:58] <PulkoMandy> however in the mobile mode I see the sidebar ends up before the contents, which I find not that great[09:48:10] <PulkoMandy> and I also notice that the GSoC and ideas page show up in "latest articles"[09:48:22] <humdinger> I have already to zoom out to get the fonts smaller... :)[09:48:25] <PulkoMandy> wasn't the case in the previous site where pages and articles were different things[09:48:38] <jessicah> most decent news websites use a content width similar to haiku's[09:49:36] <PulkoMandy> yes, content width is fine, it's just that the border have a too dark color[09:49:42] <humdinger> To me, the effectively used width is a bit too limting if you consider the side bar taking away quite a chunk.[09:49:55] <humdinger> not good when showing screenshots e.g.[09:51:43] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[09:51:58] <stargater> coffee time[09:52:52] <XeonSquared> once I get this super old copy of Haiku installed I'll post a screenshot of Haiku on a Pentium II[09:58:13] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@37.250.127.125.bredband.tre.se> has joined #haiku[09:58:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[09:59:52] *** ADS_Sr <ADS_Sr!~ADS_Sr@cpe-173-175-17-54.hot.res.rr.com> has joined #haiku[10:04:30] <XeonSquared> install noped[10:04:33] <XeonSquared> out of memory[10:15:59] <XeonSquared> yeah okay this isn't going to install[10:16:17] <XeonSquared> unless a newer nightly is easier on memory, anyway[10:19:41] <PulkoMandy> currently you need about 192MB IIRC[10:20:14] <PulkoMandy> better stick with BeOS otherwise :)[10:20:38] <XeonSquared> Would PC133 RAM work in a PC100 motherboard?[10:22:52] <XeonSquared> Yes.[10:22:54] <XeonSquared> Yes it will.[10:23:02] <XeonSquared> Nice, well, I have ... 384M of PC133[10:29:02] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslc-082-083-176-221.pools.arcor-ip.net> has quit IRC ()[10:33:15] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[10:35:54] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[10:37:09] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[10:44:11] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-89-0-252-28.netcologne.de> has joined #haiku[10:44:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jua_[10:49:07] <stargater> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ-lo-cxSJW6o2PUvorEiHtx_VfRSw0gd[11:08:58] <stargater> jessicah: have you see this? -> https://github.com/fuchsia-mirror/magenta/tree/master/bootloader[11:11:17] <jessicah> yes I have[11:11:24] <XeonSquared> muahahaha[11:11:25] <jessicah> not much related to haiku's uefi support[11:11:33] <jessicah> which is mostly working now anyway[11:11:35] <XeonSquared> Haiku's installed on the Pentium II box[11:11:41] <jessicah> XeonSquared: nice :D[11:12:08] <XeonSquared> It even has internet[11:12:23] <XeonSquared> Yay for generic Realtek-chipset NICs[11:14:45] <jessicah> :D[11:14:59] <jessicah> the classic realtek 8139 is super easy to write a driver for too[11:15:25] <XeonSquared> RTL8139C is the chip on this one[11:15:52] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:16:09] <PulkoMandy> except there are two families of 8139 with the same PCI id, which makes for some "fun" things in the drivers[11:16:20] *** 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Duggan: yes, it does not involve the breakpoin t tab, you need to search the function in the "images" tab, then set the breakpoint from the source view[14:16:36] <PulkoMandy> alternatively, there is a command line interface to Debugger where there is a "break" command[14:17:44] *** hecliunyx <hecliunyx!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[14:20:05] *** wesbl_ <wesbl_!~wesbl@host196-128-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #haiku[14:22:15] *** wesbl <wesbl!~wesbl@host196-128-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[14:22:18] *** wesbl__ <wesbl__!~wesbl@host196-128-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #haiku[14:22:54] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/8e7162e4e4c4...ec33beba13d2[14:22:56] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson ec33beb - openldap: drop libtool files, add TEST() with "make 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I'm testing the team manager (ctrl+alt+del). Just confirming the "restart desktop" button appears when it should and that it works (it does)[14:37:01] <jessicah> ah, yes, I've had to use that, so yeah, does work ;)[14:37:13] <jessicah> I've had my VM startup without the desktop running... super bizarre[14:39:09] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[14:40:25] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[14:45:55] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-100-143.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[14:56:42] <stargate1> re[14:58:54] *** hare2 <hare2!~Pol23@p5DD45263.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[15:16:00] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 7 commits to master [+2/-0/±7] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/ec33beba13d2...ff59129d9ddc[15:16:01] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 57851f8 - libepubgen: enable x86_64.[15:16:03] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 8920d41 - becasso: build for x86_64.[15:16:04] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli bb84218 - capstone: enable x86_64.[15:16:06] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] ... and 4 more commits.[15:17:43] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[15:27:32] *** hare2 <hare2!~Pol23@p5DD45263.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[15:31:51] *** petrichorx_ <petrichorx_!uid147077@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wiqqcgunnogbbmhi> has joined #haiku[15:40:01] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[15:41:53] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:44:54] *** punsith <punsith!44834d22@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.131.77.34> has joined #haiku[15:46:35] *** geoid <geoid!~geoid@213.205.198.158> has joined #haiku[15:56:08] <gbl08ma> now, I wonder how to have the team manager / input server know that the system is shutting down[15:57:12] <gbl08ma> apparently, the TRoster in the registrar server has a flag to indicate that. But I see no way to access that flag outside of the registrar[16:02:06] *** P2Squared <P2Squared!~vision@210-1-213-55-cpe.spintel.net.au> has joined #haiku[16:03:58] <PulkoMandy> it sends a message to everyone when it starts the shutdwon[16:04:14] <PulkoMandy> IIRC a B_QUIT_REQUESTED with a "bool shutdown" flag[16:04:47] <P2Squared> rip[16:04:55] <P2Squared> This build is too old to have pkgman[16:05:03] <P2Squared> no in-place updates >.>[16:06:48] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[16:11:52] <P2Squared> at least I found some working CDs >.>[16:21:00] *** punsith <punsith!44834d22@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.131.77.34> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[16:22:48] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[16:24:13] *** vikt0r <vikt0r!~victor@195.32.87.115> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:28:17] *** geoid <geoid!~geoid@213.205.198.158> has quit IRC (Quit: Be back later ...)[16:32:13] *** ThunderBlade <ThunderBlade!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-idquhnkapmjnmkqp> has joined #haiku[16:34:29] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-gzjvvczmhbanlquq> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:36:37] <PulkoMandy> Begasus: hi! I have trouble with an SDL app where audio output doesn't work. Wondering if it's a problem in sdl_x86, do you know of something like that?[16:41:07] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[16:42:09] <Begasus> hi PulkoMandy ... haven't looked into the sound stuff in Haiku for a while ...[16:42:47] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:42:59] <Begasus> hmm ... seems I need to re-install the opensound driver ...[16:44:56] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/ff59129d9ddc...91ab8ea8b23a[16:44:58] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys 91ab8ea - VirtualBox Guest Additions: add recipe and patch for version 5.1.14[16:45:05] <gbl08ma> the B_QUIT_REQUESTED shutdown message is not very helpful if one needs to check whether the system has shut down after the fact[16:45:58] <gbl08ma> I guess I could have the keyboard input manager listen for that message and set its own bool internally, then have the team manager check that bool[16:46:16] <gbl08ma> I'm trying to fix #1258, btw[16:46:20] <Begasus> hmm ... seems I'm not able to play anything related to sound here :/[16:46:30] <Begasus> it worked before ...[16:47:01] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4db9ec68.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[16:47:46] <Begasus> updating and restarting (and in the meantime doggy time) :) bbl[16:48:24] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[16:51:42] <PulkoMandy> gbl08ma: what makes things more tricky is that shutdown can be cancelled[16:52:21] <PulkoMandy> so, not sure what to do, probably the best approach would be querying the launch daemon to know the system "runlevel" or some equivalent (axeld would know more about this)[16:52:59] <gbl08ma> yes, I know the shutdown can be cancelled. I suppose there's not a broadcast when that happens?[16:53:34] <PulkoMandy> I don't know, but I suspect there isn't[16:53:35] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has joined #haiku[16:53:55] <PulkoMandy> even the B_QUIT_REQUESTED on shutdown isn't broadcast, it is sent to apps then server, one after the other[16:54:03] <PulkoMandy> which allow all apps a chance to cancel the process[16:59:22] <gbl08ma> I've been looking at the ShutdownProcess class which as far as I understand is the main component responsible for coordinating the shutdown process[17:00:31] <gbl08ma> it terminates the user apps, then system, then background, updates the dialog as apps close,[17:00:41] <gbl08ma> and finally shuts down the kernel and displays the "safe to shutdown" message if ACPI shutdown fails[17:04:31] <gbl08ma> besides the B_QUIT_REQUESTED messages and the TRoster::SetShuttingDown call, I don't see anything that would allow for detecting shutdown (or its cancellation)[17:06:18] <gbl08ma> ShutDownProcess has a _SetPhase method that gets called as the shutdown process goes on, or is aborted. but apparently that is only used to manage timeouts for each phase[17:10:27] <PulkoMandy> well, the class can be extended I guess[17:15:35] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[17:15:42] <Vidrep> Hi[17:16:18] <PulkoMandy> mh… something is broken in Haiku with unsigned 8bit audio[17:16:22] <PulkoMandy> it plays silence[17:16:34] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, if I may, I'd like to add a comment about Haiku shutdown, seeing that the topic was being discussed.[17:16:51] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-100-143.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[17:17:07] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[17:17:24] <Vidrep> I am on my second HP branded PC that will not shutdown .[17:17:24] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: still that "haiku does not shutdown" bug that I can't reproduce?[17:17:42] <Begasus> PulkoMandy ... not getting any sound here also, not even in MP with an mp3 file :/[17:17:47] <Vidrep> Yep :)[17:18:00] <PulkoMandy> Begasus: that is another problem[17:18:08] <Begasus> ah k[17:18:10] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-100-143.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[17:18:14] <PulkoMandy> here everything works except unsigned 8bit sound[17:18:16] <Vidrep> I bought another, newer HP desktop, and it does the same thing[17:18:24] <PulkoMandy> unrelated to SDL, I think[17:18:48] <Begasus> could be ... but lbreakout2 also doesn't give me any sound ...[17:19:05] <Begasus> it used to give me some clicks in the menu[17:20:38] <PulkoMandy> well it looks like you have a problem with your soundcard drivers then :)[17:20:51] <PulkoMandy> that problem with unsigned 8 bit audio is not new I think[17:21:00] <PulkoMandy> (it is rarely used, signed makes more sense)[17:21:38] <Begasus> it worked before (sound), I still have the HD audio listed in MediaPreferences[17:22:05] <Begasus> but if I try to select output1 it reverts back to 0 after restarting the services ...[17:24:36] <Begasus> http://pastebin.com/3XkzpNij (syslog)[17:29:35] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[17:37:42] <gbl08ma> should the team monitor still be accessible after the system has shut down, or should be ctrl-alt-del be a no-op at that point?[17:38:44] <gbl08ma> based on my limited testing, at that point team monitor can't do much. It can't launch the desktop anymore, and I'm not sure if it can kill any of the remaining teams[17:39:10] <PulkoMandy> yes, I would not allow to access it at all[17:39:29] <PulkoMandy> I think ctrl+alt+suppr could do an immediate reboot in that case[17:39:47] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54c3c8c2.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[17:41:51] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[17:43:08] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:47:47] *** petrichorx_ <petrichorx_!uid147077@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wiqqcgunnogbbmhi> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[17:50:31] <gbl08ma> KeyboardInputDevice has a SystemShuttingDown method which could be used, if I was sure it was only called at a point where shutdown can't be aborted anymore[17:51:59] <Begasus> Alt-F4? ;)[17:53:06] *** SagCente <SagCente!5e3fe48d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.63.228.141> has joined #haiku[17:53:07] *** SagCente is now known as SagCenter[17:53:09] <gbl08ma> apparently this method is called after the input AddOnManager receives a SYSTEM_SHUTTING_DOWN message, which in turn is posted by the QuitRequested method of InputServer.[17:53:12] <SagCenter> hi[17:53:24] <SagCenter> When this ticket https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/11619 will be fixed?[17:53:54] <gbl08ma> so if the input server only exits when the system shutdown can't be cancelled anymore, that will do[17:54:00] <SagCenter> this ticket has 2 YEARS![17:54:41] <Begasus> Error: 'hg' is not available, please install it?[18:01:04] <Begasus> nm ... found it :)[18:02:03] *** BrunoSpre <BrunoSpre!~vision@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[18:03:05] <Duggan> yeah, there seems to be a pretty big bug in the debugger...[18:03:27] <Duggan> I'm printfing the value of a pointer which shows it valid, yet the debugger shows something completely different[18:04:53] <Duggan> SagCenter have you submitted a patch for that ticket?[18:05:26] <SagCenter> Duggan, noway, i'm waiting for a patch :)[18:05:35] <Duggan> then you don't have a right to complain[18:05:37] *** frankps <frankps!~vision@199.51-175-137.customer.lyse.net> has joined #haiku[18:05:44] <jua_> Duggan, if you're not already doing it, it might help to compile the program with "-O0". Compiler optimizations can severly limit how well a Debugger can show the current program state[18:05:56] <Duggan> jua_ no optimizations enabled[18:06:03] <jua_> ah[18:06:05] <SagCenter> Duggan I complaint because you need so :)[18:06:46] <SagCenter> Duggan, stop talking or talk to my hand and start doing a patch, i'm still waiting, so no worries :)[18:07:16] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[18:07:18] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:07:27] <SagCenter> Duggan, I mean, i'm not the one that is waiting, but my VAIO P31ZK, waiting for the patch :)[18:08:22] <Duggan> and you're going to keep waiting...[18:08:39] <SagCenter> PulkoMandy why that ticket has 2 years? no one can fix that issue?[18:09:06] <PulkoMandy> always the same problem with drivers, you need to put a knowledgeable developer and the hardware in the same room for enough time[18:09:19] <SagCenter> Duggan, ya, till I find a black hole in the universe and switch to another universe that have the fix.[18:09:24] <PulkoMandy> also, I would say 2 years is rather short by Haiku standards[18:09:33] <Duggan> people here are volunteers, they do things because they want to, not because you want them to... chances are nobody even has that hardware... if you want somebody to work on it buy them the hardware and pay them money to work on it[18:09:58] *** Guest26684 <Guest26684!~Pinchy@summerti.me> has quit IRC (Quit: eep)[18:11:12] <jessicah> indeed, not being able to directly test on the hardware is always a problem :([18:11:26] <Duggan> it's impossible if you're working on a driver[18:11:28] <SagCenter> PulkoMandy that's very strange, with ACPI the usb doesn't not work, without ACPI it works :)[18:11:53] <jessicah> I don't suppose it supports 64-bit uefi booting?[18:12:06] <Duggan> lol[18:12:07] <jessicah> you could try that, if it does[18:12:08] <SagCenter> jessicah, so you want a vaio p31zk :)[18:12:37] <SagCenter> jessicah, it's a vaio p31zk model, it is a 32 bit tiny laptop[18:12:43] <jessicah> Duggan: well, the uefi code queries the memory map, so it's possible it may work[18:12:47] <SagCenter> jessicah I love it :)[18:13:10] <SagCenter> jessicah, the uefi also works on old laptops? :/[18:13:25] <Duggan> jessicah maybe in some cases, but apparently it won't in that one haha[18:13:53] *** geoid <geoid!~geoid@94.8.217.215> has joined #haiku[18:14:45] <jessicah> what a bizarre little computer[18:14:55] <SagCenter> jessicah, maybe it's time to update hardware to support poulsbo, acpi and usb :)[18:15:01] <jessicah> SagCenter: mm, looks like it wouldn't support uefi, no[18:15:04] <jessicah> oh well[18:15:27] <SagCenter> jessicah, you would love to have this computer, it's great for haikuos:)[18:15:40] <jessicah> pretty sure I wouldn't :p[18:15:46] <jessicah> I barely tolerate laptops[18:16:56] <SagCenter> jessicah, I don't like tablets, because we can't do anything with them for really. If we need to work, forget tablets. I love laptops[18:17:09] <Begasus> running Haiku on a hp pavilion g-series laptop, maybe not is fully supported, but it does the trick for me so far :)[18:17:17] <SagCenter> jessicah anyway to test this bug?[18:18:31] <SagCenter> begasus, do you think it will run on ASUS ROG G752VY-DH78K ?[18:18:37] <jessicah> SagCenter: mm, was just reading the ticket comments[18:18:43] <jessicah> so I don't really know[18:19:03] <jessicah> eh, I don't even own any tablets :p[18:19:07] <SagCenter> that ticket is similar to my problem.[18:19:09] <jessicah> I use desktops[18:19:12] <Begasus> used to run it on an older ASUS SagCenter ... don't know what type it was anymore ;)[18:20:12] <jessicah> stupid format strings[18:20:18] <SagCenter> begasus is a cluster of galaxies, i mean, computers, connected by DNA suspended with darkmatter and darkenergy.[18:20:19] <jessicah> printf sucks :([18:20:26] <Begasus> still have a big tower sitting next to me (but not connected to anything anymore) ... should probably remove the hard drives from that thing one day :)[18:21:08] <Begasus> nah ... old age stepping in SagCenter :P[18:21:47] <jessicah> I don't understand why we don't use iostreams instead of printf in c++ code[18:22:17] <PulkoMandy> iostreams are not locale safe, you can't reorder arguments[18:22:46] <SagCenter> jessicah, pulkomandy could you explain why USB ports work with ACPI off and not work with ACPI ?[18:22:55] <PulkoMandy> no, otherwise I would have fixed the bug already[18:22:56] <jessicah> pretty much all uses of printf I'm tackling don't have locale support anyway...[18:23:27] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: yes, the locale kit API (BMessageFormat) should be used. But I still don't know if we want to localize console output[18:24:29] <Begasus> as in Terminal output PulkoMandy?[18:24:34] <jessicah> yes[18:24:41] <jessicah> tools like listdev, etc.[18:24:41] <Begasus> please don't! :)[18:24:50] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-okmiypvojtibetla> has joined #haiku[18:24:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[18:25:05] <Begasus> it makes it harder for us to translate the stuff so you could understand it :)[18:25:14] <jessicah> but it's like, is it signed, is it unsigned, is it 32-bits, 64-bits, arch dependent width?[18:25:19] <jessicah> gah[18:25:26] <SagCenter> jessicah, pulkomandy hope someone fix it[18:25:31] <SagCenter> see ya :)[18:25:49] <jessicah> printf is terrible[18:25:55] <Begasus> is xemacs still around?[18:26:19] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: BMessageFormat is a bad name imo[18:26:20] *** SagCenter <SagCenter!5e3fe48d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.63.228.141> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[18:26:20] <Begasus> looking at the recipe as it also calls for lib:libpng ... (but it fails to build here)[18:26:32] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: seems like it has something to do with BMessage[18:26:36] <waddlesplash> when it's really unrelated[18:27:08] *** qeos <qeos!~kvirc@37.204.81.98> has joined #haiku[18:27:41] <Vidrep> It's funny SagCenter brought up that topic. I've offered on many occasions to ship PC's to devs, but to date I've never received a shipping address from any one of them.[18:28:10] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[18:28:10] *** qeos|2 <qeos|2!~kvirc@37.204.81.98> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:28:16] <jessicah> heh, cost of shipping to NZ would be astronomical ;)[18:28:21] <Begasus> hehe[18:28:50] <Vidrep> kallisti5 is in Texas - not too far at all[18:28:51] * waddlesplash is tempted to donate money directly so that jessicah can get broken hardware ;)[18:29:07] <waddlesplash> would it really be astronomical tho?[18:29:20] <jessicah> uhm, yes[18:29:21] *** frankps <frankps!~vision@199.51-175-137.customer.lyse.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[18:29:22] <Premislaus> Hello[18:29:44] <Duggan> what a jerk...[18:29:52] <Duggan> oh hey Premislaus, we were just talking about you :D[18:29:52] <jessicah> Duggan: who?[18:30:02] <jessicah> heh[18:30:03] <Duggan> jessicah that saggy guy[18:30:21] *** ThunderBlade <ThunderBlade!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-idquhnkapmjnmkqp> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[18:30:26] <Duggan> OMG WHY YOU NO FIX MY BUG IN 2 YEARS!?!?[18:30:28] <jessicah> meh, just another user desperate to run Haiku[18:30:56] <Duggan> points for enthusiasm, negative a few million on delivery...[18:31:21] <jessicah> :p[18:32:01] <Begasus> ^^[18:32:13] <Begasus> problem 1: nothing provides lib:libmodplug>=0.8.0 needed by sdl_sound-1.0.3-2[18:32:23] <Begasus> something to fix I think ... :P[18:32:39] *** juafromspace <juafromspace!~jua@xdsl-85-197-5-171.netcologne.de> has joined #haiku[18:33:14] <Premislaus> Duggan: I'm looking to log.[18:33:22] <gbl08ma> I updated my haiku install with pkgman earlier today (it hadn't been updated since september)[18:33:33] <gbl08ma> so I had to run configure on the haiku source again[18:33:43] <gbl08ma> now I'm patiently waiting some hours for the build to finish :P[18:33:47] <waddlesplash> jessicah: Vidrep: for a 10"x5"x3" package weighing 5lbs, shipping cost Canada->NZ is $60[18:33:51] <Begasus> :D[18:33:54] <waddlesplash> so, not too unreasonable[18:34:18] <waddlesplash> depends on what bugs we're talking about here, they might be worth $60 for a fix. :D[18:34:23] <jessicah> I'm pretty sure you'd want to add some padding ;)[18:34:40] <waddlesplash> yes, well, just an example of course, who knows what sizes the actual packages would be[18:34:58] <jessicah> prices go up quickly as dimensions increase[18:35:04] <waddlesplash> right[18:35:33] <waddlesplash> still. I'd throw money in Bountysource to pay shipping costs, or send some over Paypal or whatever[18:35:34] <Premislaus> Vidrep: http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-development/Donation-of-hardware-for-the-developer-to-fixed-the-bugs[18:35:35] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-89-0-252-28.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:36:05] *** juafromspace is now known as jua_[18:36:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jua_[18:36:29] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: Poland->anywhere-not-Europe shipping cost will probably be more than CA->NZ. :p[18:36:45] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!~dario@181.46.220.255> has joined #haiku[18:37:14] <Premislaus> Duggan: This was funny ;).[18:37:28] <jessicah> grep -e 'warning: format' | wc -l => 417[18:37:34] <jessicah> still a lot to address[18:37:36] * jessicah sighs[18:40:15] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: what about shiping devs from NZ and locking them in a basement with all the hardware until all the bugs are fixed?[18:40:37] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: trying to enable -Werror in more source dirs?[18:40:53] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: so, $500 plane ticket plus a few hundred in food & the like per week until bugs are fixed? :p[18:41:03] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, $60 is less than the cost of a ink cartridge set for a single printer - I have 7 of them I use to test Haiku printing[18:41:35] <Vidrep> You don't think I'm spending money on Haiku?[18:41:36] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: well, so then the question is if jessicah is willing to work on stuff. :)[18:41:38] <PulkoMandy> ohnx: -Wall is already enabled everywhere. -Werror we enable one directory at a time once warnings are fixed[18:41:42] <jessicah> $500 plane ticket won't take me far[18:41:48] <PulkoMandy> (which is sometimes not that eaasy, especially wiht gcc2)[18:41:58] <jessicah> last time I went to GSoC summit, it was little over nzd$2000[18:42:05] <waddlesplash> O_o[18:42:32] <ohnx> ah lol PulkoMandy[18:42:43] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[18:42:46] <jessicah> PulkoMandy: yeah, hope to[18:42:47] <ohnx> Vidrep: get a laser printer ;)[18:42:59] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: seen my comment about the "bad data" problem with the website?[18:43:09] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: I did[18:43:18] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: Any easy way to see that this is the case?[18:43:22] <PulkoMandy> ok. Just done cloning webkit, now let's see if I can do something :)[18:43:23] <waddlesplash> curl command or something?[18:43:35] <waddlesplash> some small example that I can send to netlify devs[18:43:48] <Vidrep> The point being was that I have offered to ship non-working PC's or components to devs, and nobody took me up on it.[18:43:55] <ohnx> ah so the server is different, waddlesplash[18:44:10] <waddlesplash> ohnx: yes, as said before, literally everthing changed[18:44:23] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: there are very few devs who work with hardware these days and have time to fix stuff :/[18:44:24] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[18:44:37] <ohnx> waddlesplash: why not github pages?[18:44:41] <ohnx> the source is on github already :p[18:45:09] <waddlesplash> ohnx: they've booted people off before for eating too much bandwidth, I think[18:45:12] <jessicah> what the... curl doesn't follow the redirect?[18:45:28] <ohnx> jessicah: you need to set it to dpo so[18:45:39] <ohnx> i think it's -R[18:46:02] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash:[18:46:02] <PulkoMandy> [x86_gcc2] ~# curl --compressed https://www.haiku-os.org/community[18:46:03] <PulkoMandy> curl: (61) Error while processing content unencoding: invalid distance too far back[18:46:29] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: Got it[18:46:35] <waddlesplash> (and adding -v shows headers)[18:47:43] <waddlesplash> ohnx: plus, I don't think they support TLS on custom domains?[18:47:47] <waddlesplash> ohnx: at least last I checked they didn't[18:47:58] <ohnx> works for me[18:48:10] <waddlesplash> ok, so that's new-ish[18:48:13] <waddlesplash> anyway, Netlify is pretty great[18:48:23] <waddlesplash> and static sites are their whole product[18:48:28] <jessicah> waddlesplash: if you add -v, it has to be after --compressed[18:48:35] <jessicah> otherwise it won't show the error[18:48:41] <Begasus> any reason why flac/mikmod/physfs are disabled in sdl_sound[18:48:52] <waddlesplash> jessicah: I get the error here with -v before ---compressed[18:48:52] <jessicah> hmm, or not; now it's working other way around[18:48:55] <jessicah> bizarre curl[18:49:04] <waddlesplash> curl 7.51 on win64 here[18:49:13] <jessicah> it didn't give me error but now it does >_<[18:49:41] <PulkoMandy> same URL? this happens only on their 301 redirect (which you must not follow to see the problem)[18:49:51] <jessicah> yeah, same URL[18:49:55] <jessicah> anyway, giving error now[18:49:59] <jessicah> strange[18:50:21] <Duggan> Premislaus I thought it was annoying :P[18:50:33] <Duggan> I'm the only one allowed to be annoying here :P[18:51:19] <Duggan> now... does anybody care to explain to my why the debugger will be displaying a different value for a pointer than printf does? am I doing something wrong or is there a bug somewhere?[18:52:05] <jessicah> has it actually stepped over the line?[18:52:12] <Duggan> printf shows -628773472 debug shows 0x5[18:52:25] <Duggan> at some point I'm sure it has many times[18:52:32] <jessicah> if you're at the line, it hasn't executed it yet[18:52:57] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: sent them a message, they'll probably get it tomorrow[18:53:00] <Duggan> oh :/ that doesn't make sense...[18:53:28] <jessicah> did stepping over make the value change?[18:53:47] <Duggan> well, stepping into a function the value is used in, yeah...[18:53:58] <jessicah> :)[18:54:09] <jessicah> so no bug eh?[18:54:11] <Begasus> scottmc ... awake? ;) https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/commit/8e981e2166b4131224c0cf198d6f92f10a12907d[18:54:11] <Duggan> you would think a pointer is a pointer and it's value wouldn't change unless you change it...[18:54:46] <Duggan> jessicah no, I guess not... at least I can move forward with SkyNet now :P[18:54:52] <Duggan> thank you[18:55:00] <jessicah> well, Debugger needs to see the value loaded...[18:55:34] <Duggan> it's been loaded for a few thousand calls to that function :P[18:55:41] <jessicah> hmm[18:56:07] <jessicah> I think Debugger could do a better job of indicating variables it doesn't know value of yet...[18:57:02] <waddlesplash> errr[18:57:10] <jessicah> well, if you break at the function, you need to step into it for Debugger to actually load the argument values[18:57:10] *** rennj <rennj!~rennj@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:57:12] <Duggan> probably... I'm sure there's some reason that someone would claim is perfectly valid for why it wouldn't just be right to begin with, but I dunno what it would be :P[18:57:15] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: I can't play ANY mp3 files in MediaPlayer now[18:57:20] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: This worked a few months ago[18:57:35] <Duggan> jessicah it's not an argument to the function, it's a member of the class the function is in[18:57:52] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: "BMediaTrack::ReadFrames: decoder returned error 0xffffffff (General system error)" is playfile output[18:58:04] <Duggan> waddlesplash that's ok, I don't even have sound :P[18:58:16] <Begasus> same here :/[18:58:16] <waddlesplash> Duggan: well, submit patch :p[18:58:36] <jessicah> I can play flac files fine with playfile[18:58:41] <Duggan> waddlesplash I was working on my codex driver with no success yet... I will when I get it fixed :P[18:58:43] <jessicah> mediaplayer crashes with pure virtual call :p[18:58:46] * Begasus is looking at sdl_sount atm ... :P[18:59:06] <waddlesplash> jessicah: well, that sounds like a different bug[18:59:14] <jessicah> yep[18:59:15] <Duggan> I tend to work on a program for a few days and switch to something else... I'll get back around to it in a week or two :P[19:00:29] <Duggan> I'm actually making really good progress on this one so as long as the momentum is there, I'm probably going to stick with it[19:01:10] <jessicah> I think it's time for a nap...[19:01:58] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: Petition to ship secondary arch MediaPlayer on all hybrid builds?[19:02:48] <waddlesplash> Duggan: how much progress did you make on that codec?[19:02:54] <waddlesplash> and what one was it[19:03:13] <jessicah> waddlesplash: that doesn't necessarily fix everything :p[19:03:23] <jessicah> mediaplayer is broke on x86_64 for me, for example[19:03:33] <waddlesplash> jessicah: no, but FFmpeg 3.0 > FFmpeg 0.10 GCC2[19:03:50] <jessicah> maybe[19:04:02] <jessicah> anyway, gonna go sleep now (:[19:06:56] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[19:06:57] <Begasus> night jessicah[19:09:48] *** maxxcan <maxxcan!~maxxcan@178.156.59.66> has joined #haiku[19:10:04] *** maxxcan <maxxcan!~maxxcan@178.156.59.66> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:13:17] *** ThunderBlade <ThunderBlade!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-bpkowysrvfharhkv> has joined #haiku[19:17:32] *** BrunoSpre <BrunoSpre!~vision@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[19:18:08] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[19:18:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[19:18:46] *** Anarchos <Anarchos!~K@35.58.135.77.rev.sfr.net> has joined #haiku[19:21:50] <gbl08ma> The use of GCC2 is the thing that bugs me the most about Haiku :) I completely understand why things are the way they are, but still...[19:22:37] <waddlesplash> gbl08ma: we use a dual gcc setup?[19:22:44] <gbl08ma> yes, I know[19:22:50] <waddlesplash> gbl08ma: stuff like WebPositive and the like which need C++11 are compiled with GCC5, etc.[19:22:51] <waddlesplash> ok[19:24:31] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: can you co-sign on https://github.com/haiku/website/pull/20 pls?[19:24:42] <waddlesplash> since it's the first non-dev blogpost & stuff[19:24:59] *** geoid <geoid!~geoid@94.8.217.215> has quit IRC (Quit: Lingo: www.lingoirc.com)[19:26:03] <Premislaus> waddlesplash: Good to hear that we have a new redactor.[19:26:26] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: lol[19:29:03] <Duggan> waddlesplash not much progress really... I still have plenty of staring cross-eyed at it before I start to understand much about it I think[19:29:10] <waddlesplash> lol[19:29:29] <Duggan> waddlesplash it's an IDT chip[19:29:45] <Duggan> 0x7e00 if I remember correctly[19:29:54] <waddlesplash> Duggan: wait so not HDA?[19:29:56] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has joined #haiku[19:29:59] <waddlesplash> oh ok[19:30:04] <Duggan> the spec 92HD91 covers it[19:30:13] <Duggan> no, it's HDA (apparently)[19:30:28] <Duggan> the HDA driver is loading, but it's just not working[19:30:36] <Duggan> I can't quite seem to figure out how the pins are mapped[19:31:41] <Duggan> all the crap with widgets and quirks has me confused[19:33:16] * waddlesplash only has touched HDA driver once[19:33:23] <waddlesplash> to add a quirk for VirtualBox controller[19:33:38] <waddlesplash> (it wants some other codec tho, so HDA still busted in vbox :/)[19:34:04] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/91ab8ea8b23a...528c74f991e4[19:34:06] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson 528c74f - bash: bump to 4.4.011. (#1105)[19:35:03] <Duggan> Intel made the chip and the HDMI codex, but this codex is IDT... the HDA driver loads for it, but doesn't work, but seeing as the other chip is Intel, I assume HDA is correct[19:35:57] <Duggan> there is another IDT codex already in the system, but it's not the same model[19:37:09] <Premislaus> waddlesplash: About co-signing. In Poland we have old dad-joke about cops: Why do they always go in two? One can write and second can read.[19:37:10] <Premislaus> ;0[19:37:33] <Premislaus> *;)[19:39:15] <Anarchos> hi everybody[19:39:39] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!~dario@181.46.220.255> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[19:40:22] <Anarchos> Premislaus i know this joke for maoist china : cops go by three : one can read, one can write, and the third observes those two dangerous intellectual people.[19:40:41] <Premislaus> :)[19:43:35] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[19:44:34] <ohnx> lol[19:45:16] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:55:48] <Barrett> Premislaus, did the problem showed up again or is like a random crash?[19:58:14] <Premislaus> Barrett: No.[19:58:40] <Premislaus> Barrett: Web+ crashes evry "five pages". Is hard to reproduce.[19:58:49] <Barrett> ah[19:59:28] <Premislaus> Barrett: Maybe this is currently fixed. I don't know.[19:59:40] <Barrett> I think the mother issue is still there[19:59:59] *** Anarchos <Anarchos!~K@35.58.135.77.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:00:41] *** Anarchos <Anarchos!~K@35.58.135.77.rev.sfr.net> has joined #haiku[20:05:57] *** ThunderBlade <ThunderBlade!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-bpkowysrvfharhkv> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[20:13:19] <bbjimmy> All for the lack of one semicolon... https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/pull/1107[20:13:49] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-1/±7] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/6f1fdf12c6ae...e528b13f68d5[20:13:50] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash e528b13 - layouts: Standardize date formats across the site.[20:15:53] <scottmc> bbjimmy i predict they will complain about the missing blank line before ARCHITECTURES...[20:16:01] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/e528b13f68d5...4c4147eae5eb[20:16:03] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] jessicah 4c4147e - Left justify links in sidebar panels.[20:16:42] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash deleted branch left-justify-panel-links[20:17:04] <scottmc> anyone know why haikuporter keep complaining about "No such file or directory" when it cleary exists[20:18:59] <Begasus> could be related to unsolved symbols perhaps scottmc?[20:19:03] <scottmc> [error -2147459069][20:19:04] <bbjimmy> Fixed the copy/paste error[20:19:23] <Begasus> seen it here also[20:19:37] <bbjimmy> scottmc thanks[20:20:09] <Begasus> SOURCE_DIR=YAB-1.7.5.3b ... shouldn't that be SOURCE_DIR="YAB-1.7.5.3b"?[20:21:27] <bbjimmy> I fixed that ... Argh![20:22:51] <Begasus> ;)[20:23:21] <bbjimmy> :P[20:24:56] <scottmc> Begasus it's giving me this error right after loading all the .hpkg dependencies but before it tries to run cmake. i'm working on box2d[20:25:00] <Anarchos> is there a hope for a driver for this : 0cde:0008 /dev/bus/usb/2/1 "Z-Com" "XG-703A 802.11g Wireless Adapter [Intersil ISL3887]" ver. 1040[20:26:22] <Begasus> does it try to fetch a dependency just before the build starts scottmc?[20:27:25] <Begasus> I had a prob with it before also with sdl_sound (had to build it localy to get pass it) (sdl_sound in it's case triggered libmikmod and smpeg who had unresolved isseu's with libSDL.la)[20:28:38] <Begasus> ok ... euae also doesn't seem to build ... keeps getting into a loop "waiting for build to be activated" .... :/[20:29:12] <Begasus> ps scottmc ... did you get the message earlier in the channel here about sdl_sound?[20:30:45] <Diver> Anarchos: Haiku doesn't have compat layer for usb network cards[20:31:36] <Anarchos> Diver i knew that, just hope some change since i came here last time :)[20:31:52] <Diver> ah :)[20:32:27] <Anarchos> Diver cause my wifi internal card is still unsupported by freebsd i guess[20:32:45] <Diver> which is?[20:33:06] <scottmc> Begasus what's up with SDL_sound[20:33:47] <Anarchos> Diver realtek 8188CE[20:33:52] <Anarchos> pci internal[20:34:46] <Diver> Anarchos: can't see anything here https://github.com/haiku/haiku/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=8188&type=Code[20:34:58] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: anevilyak * hrev50894 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=4e9f7b8efa7c+%5E2332ebfd5240[20:34:59] <HAIKU-irker458> 4e9f7b8efa7c: x86: Update Pe package due to BString ABI changes.[20:35:45] <Anarchos> Diver the freebsd11 driver is named rtwn. But our compat layer is based upon freebsd9 i guess[20:36:05] <Begasus> [18:54] <Begasus> scottmc ... awake? ;) https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/commit/8e981e2166b4131224c0cf198d6f92f10a12907d[20:36:34] <Begasus> wondering why smpeg/mikmod/physfs were commented out in the recipe[20:36:52] <Diver> ah, yes, I also need to get bwn driver (https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd/tree/master/sys/dev/bwn) in order to have network working[20:37:27] <Diver> on my MacBook[20:37:45] <scottmc> bbjimmy does it still build cleanly after you do an HP yab -c?[20:37:50] <Anarchos> Diver and i am not skilled enough to port compat layer neither the driver[20:37:54] <Diver> I can live without usb and audio, but wlan is a must[20:38:15] <Begasus> ow and flac also scottmc ...[20:39:11] <Begasus> sdl_sound builds fine here for x86_gcc2 and x86 ... (with all enabled)[20:39:16] <waddlesplash> gbl08ma: hey, sorry it took so long, but looking at your Tracker patch now[20:39:32] <scottmc> nice. what'd you change? or did all the other ports just improve?[20:40:27] <Begasus> probably the other ports improved :) I just enabled them to check (only on x86_gcc2 smpeg isn't picked up, but it doesn't complain (seems it can't find the header smpeg.h))[20:42:26] <Begasus> I was just wondering because according to the history in github you disabled them back then :)[20:43:25] <scottmc> yeah i likely disabled since it was causing issues[20:44:22] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[20:45:39] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:47:43] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev50895 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=80873d1bc5bb+%5E4e9f7b8efa7c[20:47:44] <HAIKU-irker458> 80873d1bc5bb: Tracker: always shrink the text input when renaming[20:50:45] <Begasus> going down here .. g'night peeps[20:51:05] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54c3c8c2.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[20:52:12] *** pdziepak <pdziepak!~pdziepak@88.98.223.225> has joined #haiku[20:52:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o pdziepak[20:56:05] *** Anarchos <Anarchos!~K@35.58.135.77.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[21:04:25] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[21:09:51] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[21:10:29] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[21:12:10] *** jstressman <jstressman!~justin@2601:407:c300:a5ef:799a:a690:3636:40b9> has left #haiku[21:12:46] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[21:16:22] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[21:16:54] *** vikt0r <vikt0r!~victor@151.76.240.57> has joined #haiku[21:18:06] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[21:22:44] *** vikt0r <vikt0r!~victor@151.76.240.57> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[21:25:10] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev50896 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=b01e48c6fb50+%5E80873d1bc5bb[21:25:11] <HAIKU-irker458> b01e48c6fb50: Tracker: Warn if there is < 5% of free space left on the drive.[21:30:34] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[21:32:04] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[21:35:56] *** ppisati_ <ppisati_!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has joined #haiku[21:36:35] *** vikt0r <vikt0r!~victor@195.32.87.115> has joined #haiku[21:38:56] *** ppisati <ppisati!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[21:39:10] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!~dario@181.46.220.255> has joined #haiku[21:39:15] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[21:39:27] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[22:05:54] *** P2Squared <P2Squared!~vision@210-1-213-55-cpe.spintel.net.au> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090423]: i've been blurred!)[22:10:34] <ohnx> scottmc: when is the deadline for winners? tomorrow?[22:23:49] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-100-143.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[22:31:20] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@71-212-104-59.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[22:31:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[22:33:08] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[22:33:29] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[22:33:53] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/528c74f991e4...a61ef5e93fec[22:33:54] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] bbjimmy a61ef5e - Yab and Yab-ide: fix build after updating haiku (#1107)[22:35:17] *** P2Squared <P2Squared!~vision@210-1-213-55-cpe.spintel.net.au> has joined #haiku[22:36:34] <gbl08ma> waddlesplash, no problem. I see that is is merged now :) glad I could help[22:36:34] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@71-212-104-59.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:36:44] <P2Squared> Updated to the latest hrev :D[22:37:10] <gbl08ma> so I was trying to debug my "team manager after shutdown" thing[22:37:47] <gbl08ma> turns out that Haiku panics with a unhandled page fault if ACPI is disabled (using virtualbox)[22:38:25] <gbl08ma> so I guess I'll need to fix that first before I can work on the team manager ticket. there I go, diving into kernel land[22:38:46] <P2Squared> It's pretty impressive that I can browse the web on a 350Mhz processor while doing other stuff[22:40:00] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:40:22] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has joined #haiku[22:41:33] <XeonSquared> hell, feels faster than the 800Mhz Mac sitting next to it[22:42:14] <PulkoMandy> and Web+ isn't even our fastest web browser. You should try NetSurf on such a machine (but there is no javascript, that makes a few things easier)[22:42:28] <PulkoMandy> anyway, time to sleep here[22:42:33] <XeonSquared> Sleep well.[22:42:51] <XeonSquared> hey, it's plenty fast with javascript[22:43:02] <XeonSquared> pages take a minute or two to load but I can do other stuff while it does[22:44:31] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/4c4147eae5eb...c95f14388991[22:44:32] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash c95f143 - scripts: Add the welcome page.[22:44:47] * waddlesplash hopes that not testing that does not bite him in the rear[22:55:42] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Quiit...)[22:59:15] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:59:30] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[23:00:35] *** qeos <qeos!~kvirc@37.204.81.98> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[23:02:38] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/c95f14388991...26aa70ebb94c[23:02:39] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 26aa70e - scripts/build_for_deploy: Don't delete the entire public directory.[23:13:34] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@37.250.127.125.bredband.tre.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Lämnar)[23:15:55] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:16:23] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:17:59] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-5.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[23:41:27] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[23:44:43] <gbl08ma> The kernel panic when ACPI is disabled... I know it didn't occur with a build from the beginning of September last year[23:45:13] <gbl08ma> given that the panic mentions acpi_task, and assuming that the problem is indeed caused by the acpi code, the only commit I can find that could have caused it, is this:[23:45:15] <gbl08ma> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/acpi/ACPICAHaiku.cpp?id=6e6efaecdc518b9efb7118d6697439593003adf7[23:46:02] <gbl08ma> so I have more or less reverted it, waiting for it to compile, let's see what happens[23:47:05] *** planktonizer <planktonizer!~planktoni@dsl-trebrasgw1-54fa4b-76.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[23:48:10] *** planktonizer <planktonizer!~planktoni@dsl-trebrasgw1-54fa4b-76.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #haiku[23:49:41] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[23:51:06] <axeld> waddlesplash: Please follow this link: https://www.haiku-os.org/development[23:51:12] <axeld> Doesn't seem to work[23:54:30] <gbl08ma> that link must have broken very recently, because I followed it twice earlier today[23:57:12] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[23:59:38] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-085-008-101-243.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Quit: axeld)