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[00:14:31] <mikedld> well, almost the behavior I expect... I'm testing lseek after write after all
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[00:35:49] <Barrett_> https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/pulkomandy/2017-01-06_haiku_monthly_activity_report_122016/
[00:35:53] <Barrett_> error embedding
[00:37:37] <waddlesplash> Barrett_: yes, comments not set up yet
[00:37:46] <waddlesplash> kallisti5 still working on it
[00:37:58] <Barrett_> how new articles are supposed to be submit
[00:40:04] <Barrett_> waddlesplash
[00:40:10] <waddlesplash> Barrett_: submit pull request or commit directly to https://github.com/haiku/website
[00:40:35] <Barrett_> submit a pull request?
[00:42:02] <waddlesplash> Barrett_: if you don't have commit access to that repi
[00:42:11] <Barrett_> office for complication of otherwise simple affairs
[00:42:18] <Barrett_> that's what we call it in Italy
[00:42:18] <waddlesplash> I don't think I have powers to grant that; I'm not an Owner of the @haiku team on GitHub
[00:42:24] <Barrett_> but Italy is a strange place, indeed
[00:42:38] <waddlesplash> Barrett_: if you have commit access to that repo, feel free to push changes directly, if you are sure of what you are doing
[00:42:52] <waddlesplash> Barrett_: only touch "content" directory tho, other directories still in flux
[00:43:00] <waddlesplash> Barrett_: (well, if you want to add images to "static" dir that's OK too)
[00:43:39] <Barrett_> ok
[00:43:59] <Barrett_> Haiku is a i-don't-know-who-has-permissioncracy
[00:44:06] <waddlesplash> yeah, unfortunately :(
[00:44:13] <Barrett_> or we-cant-give-permissioncracy
[00:44:19] <Barrett_> or we-donthavetimecracy
[00:44:20] <Barrett_> and so on
[00:44:33] <waddlesplash> yes I don't have perms to add you
[00:44:47] <waddlesplash> or awit
[00:44:47] <Barrett_> there's not hurry
[00:44:50] <waddlesplash> wrong session, maybe I do
[00:44:56] <Barrett_> thanks for the new site anyway
[00:45:04] <Barrett_> I will look how hugo works in future
[00:45:26] <Barrett_> I'm bored of dynamic sytes making food for botnets
[00:45:37] <waddlesplash> Barrett_: I invited you
[00:45:45] <waddlesplash> you should get write access with that
[00:45:58] <waddlesplash> yes, please ask any Qs you might have
[00:46:18] <Barrett_> nice
[00:47:59] <mikedld> looks like flock() is not implemented. is there an alternative?
[00:48:31] <Barrett_> lockf?
[00:48:43] <mikedld> not implemented either
[00:48:51] <Barrett_> fcntl?
[00:48:53] <mikedld> and has different semantics...
[00:50:59] <mikedld> ah, no, lockf is implemented. but along with fcntl, they don't provide the same functionality
[00:51:42] <mikedld> (compared to flock that is)
[00:52:05] <Barrett_> both are implemented
[00:52:10] <Barrett_> https://github.com/haiku/haiku/blob/b65adbdfbc322bb7d86d74049389c688e9962f15/src/system/libroot/posix/sys/flock.c
[00:52:13] <Barrett_> https://github.com/haiku/haiku/blob/b65adbdfbc322bb7d86d74049389c688e9962f15/src/system/libroot/posix/unistd/lockf.cpp
[00:52:20] <Barrett_> it looked strange to me
[00:52:25] <mikedld> _kern_flock isn't
[00:52:29] <Barrett_> ah
[00:52:42] <Barrett_> there should be something else
[00:52:47] <Barrett_> or not?
[00:53:05] <Barrett_> fnctl implementation can say something I guess
[00:53:39] <mikedld> IIUC you can't implement flock in terms of lockf or fcntl
[00:53:47] <AlienSoldier> And now the website is broken :)
[00:54:28] <Barrett_> hey AlienSoldier how's going?
[00:55:07] <Barrett_> the wedonthavetimecracy is the best :)
[00:55:08] <waddlesplash> AlienSoldier: is it? DNS still not propagated yet?
[00:55:15] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ kinda fine, still job hunting. I start to be sick of company posting job as free ads and never hiring anybody.
[00:55:26] <waddlesplash> we switched to the new site, so it might be a bit till the DNS totally changes
[00:55:30] <Barrett_> waddlesplash, there are thousands of root dns in the world
[00:55:40] <Barrett_> it will take a bit anyway to propagate
[00:55:47] <waddlesplash> Barrett_: yeah, but unless you're not on Google or whatever it should be pretty quick
[00:55:52] <AlienSoldier> waddlesplash the site display but no commit or ticket change
[00:55:53] <waddlesplash> if the breakage propagated, the fix should too :p
[00:56:11] <Barrett_> waddlesplash, was quick for me indeed
[00:56:28] <waddlesplash> AlienSoldier: oh, yes, the old one is in readonly mode, the new site was deployed
[00:56:39] <AlienSoldier> that explain it
[00:56:55] <Barrett_> AlienSoldier, is it a situation of under-employment?
[00:58:06] <Barrett_> yet I have the inverse problem, too much companies contacting me
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[00:58:25] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ i don't know anymore. They rescheduled my interview with Canada Post the other day because we good a bit of ice and they have yet to shedul another round of interview.
[00:59:01] <Barrett_> keep trying
[00:59:05] <Barrett_> you will success
[01:00:08] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ one of the problem is that i am over-qualified. they always want me to go work at NASA or something :( while i just one a no trouble job with low stress level
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[01:00:31] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/45f456a3b895...bacf50bde7a0
[01:00:32] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash bacf50b - blog/waddlesplash: Add post about the new site.
[01:00:34] <waddlesplash> :)
[01:01:32] <Barrett_> I understand the problem, they can't ever pay you less because laws forbid it
[01:01:39] <Barrett_> at least how it works here
[01:01:50] <AlienSoldier> they could here if they wanted
[01:02:10] <AlienSoldier> often manager fear that i will steal their job
[01:02:29] <Barrett_> AlienSoldier, what job you do?
[01:02:33] <AlienSoldier> they don't get that i don't want their job at all
[01:02:49] <Barrett_> I think I heard you about erasing a mountain and I set that as your job :-D
[01:02:56] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ any, and that is what make not finding a job even worst.
[01:03:27] <AlienSoldier> erasing?
[01:03:31] <Barrett_> cutting wood
[01:03:51] <AlienSoldier> yet, but i am far from erasing the forest :)
[01:04:11] <AlienSoldier> that is what i do when i have no job, but not in the winter
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[01:04:37] <Barrett_> is it burn wood or also quality one?
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[01:04:48] <AlienSoldier> both
[01:05:01] <Barrett_> how I would like to have a solid body maple table...
[01:05:10] <Barrett_> european maple doesn't grow much big
[01:05:12] <AlienSoldier> i started to go japanese technique crazy about growing knotless wood
[01:05:26] <Barrett_> yet alder is fucking attacked by parassytes
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[01:06:28] <Barrett_> is there a technique to limit knots?
[01:06:34] <AlienSoldier> my big mapple tree are exploited for sirup, they don't make pretty wood after that
[01:07:04] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ yes, you cut branches early
[01:07:12] <Barrett_> ah OK I understand
[01:07:14] <AlienSoldier> very labor intensive work
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[01:07:28] <Barrett_> seems something to do for a few selected quality trees
[01:08:32] <AlienSoldier> that is what everybody also say here, but i found that while there i am better to do them all. It give such a good visibility and easy transport that is is woth it for that alone.
[01:08:35] <Barrett_> I think I never eated maple syrup
[01:09:25] <Barrett_> yeah, I think it depends on the instrumentation too, using a stairway to go on the tree isn't very comfortable I guess
[01:09:27] <Barrett_> :)
[01:09:57] <AlienSoldier> quite a luxury outside Canada (the real one, not the pale truck stop pancake immitation)
[01:11:12] <AlienSoldier> i am using a pole saw on the second pass. eventually i will have to climb, there is many way to do that. Over 20 feet a pole saw is counter productive
[01:12:20] <AlienSoldier> i don't remember seeing many tree in italy that grow straight
[01:13:02] <AlienSoldier> you have quite big chestnut tree that said
[01:14:05] <Barrett_> yeah, lots
[01:14:07] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/bacf50bde7a0...34fea8aecd84
[01:14:08] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 34fea8a - layouts/rss: Add content author & URI if available.
[01:14:40] <Barrett_> and classic instruments are mostly done with red chestnut
[01:14:42] <AlienSoldier> i planted 2, probably the northen most in america :)
[01:15:02] <AlienSoldier> mine are chineese chestnut
[01:15:12] <Barrett_> but for solid body ones...it's not good at all
[01:15:13] <AlienSoldier> from the grocery store :)
[01:16:17] <Barrett_> the tree I like mostly is olive tree
[01:16:35] <AlienSoldier> those are nice, and quite cold hardy
[01:16:38] <Barrett_> not big but beautiful like a nature's sculpture
[01:17:03] <Barrett_> also you know, we do everything with olive oil
[01:17:11] <Barrett_> except frying
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[01:17:28] <Barrett_> so I really love that tree : )
[01:17:30] <AlienSoldier> i use it a lot also
[01:17:55] <AlienSoldier> i always put a bit in sandwich
[01:18:56] <Barrett_> that's good pratice, it contains lots of omega3 and other antioxidants
[01:19:18] <Barrett_> and has more "power" so you need less to make things
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[01:19:35] <Barrett_> since oils are by definition 100% fats...
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[01:20:14] <Barrett_> it also costs a lot, if you find some real good one
[01:22:45] <Barrett_> just like syrup I guess :)
[01:23:37] <AlienSoldier> sirup have less cost variation
[01:23:54] <AlienSoldier> perhaps 15% at most
[01:24:55] <Barrett_> it may vary from 5 euro to 15 more or less that is a lot
[01:25:09] <AlienSoldier> the cheaper is the one that is produced when the sap start to get milky. It give a stong bitter taste so this usually go for the transforming industry
[01:25:15] <Barrett_> but also quality is very different, 5 euro from a marked is a good oil to cook
[01:25:49] <Barrett_> if you get some biologic, cold-process oil from a farmer you could drink it just looking
[01:25:57] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/34fea8aecd84...8692891c4d36
[01:25:58] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 8692891 - Add missing Blog RSS feed.
[01:26:32] <Barrett_> AlienSoldier, in italy we use extra virgin oil only
[01:26:48] <Barrett_> other stuff is said to be for lights :)
[01:27:27] <AlienSoldier> i buy cold pressed ones from time to time, but they cost
[01:28:02] <AlienSoldier> i want to grow a tree one day in a green house
[01:28:26] <Barrett_> hehehe, just imagine how hard it's to get all these olives from trees
[01:28:48] <AlienSoldier> are they not naturally falling at one point ?
[01:29:00] <AlienSoldier> or are they racid at that time
[01:29:05] <AlienSoldier> *rancid
[01:29:12] <Barrett_> it depends from case to case and season to season
[01:29:18] <Barrett_> they begin to fall at some point
[01:29:25] <Barrett_> but those needs to be collected fastly or get black
[01:29:44] <Barrett_> once, people used some webs to avoid them getting the ground
[01:29:46] <waddlesplash> ah that didn't work
[01:30:17] <Barrett_> but they never fall at the same time
[01:30:24] <Barrett_> so it's usually shaken to do that
[01:30:50] <Barrett_> there are farmers which uses machines, but they are proven to damage the tree
[01:30:59] <AlienSoldier> i saw tree shaker for cherry, impressive machines
[01:31:05] <Barrett_> so not much people use it anymore...but for industrial production it will be different
[01:32:17] <Barrett_> anyway, major problem of olive tree is that it's hard to get in flame in nature
[01:32:26] <Barrett_> but when it happens, it will burn like napalm
[01:32:41] <Barrett_> so every year there's need to clean the ground to avoid flames in the summer
[01:32:58] <AlienSoldier> some tree are like that, balsam fir here burn more green than dry
[01:33:01] <Barrett_> some people was out for a few years, returned and found a potato tree
[01:33:16] <Barrett_> *potato camp I meant sorry
[01:33:33] <AlienSoldier> i remember the big olive tree fire in greece
[01:34:20] <AlienSoldier> hehe, potato tree is pretty much a chestnut :)
[01:34:30] <Barrett_> a bonsai :)
[01:35:28] <Barrett_> anyway, woodworking is one of the most fulfilling things in life for me
[01:35:40] <AlienSoldier> i love it also
[01:35:41] <Barrett_> in past I should have been a carpenter
[01:36:15] <AlienSoldier> i think most programmer love making thing in wood.
[01:36:28] <AlienSoldier> something to do with building
[01:37:45] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-1/±3] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/8692891c4d36...d7876fd9eec7
[01:37:47] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash d7876fd - More feed fixup.
[01:39:04] <Barrett_> AlienSoldier, didn't know that I thought I was special LOL
[01:39:25] <AlienSoldier> you probably are on other aspect :)
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[01:43:38] <AlienSoldier> waddlesplash that appear at the bottomof your post "Error Embedding"
[01:43:53] <waddlesplash> AlienSoldier: yes, it says in the post that comments are not working yet :P
[01:44:56] <AlienSoldier> waddlesplash are the forum recent post going to appear again on the left like some time ago ?
[01:45:01] <waddlesplash> maybe
[01:45:04] <waddlesplash> but not quite yet
[01:45:36] <AlienSoldier> because for now they are hidden relatively deep
[01:53:26] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±2] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/d7876fd9eec7...def6b572fa51
[01:53:27] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash def6b57 - Quit using a custom RSS feed location.
[01:55:39] <Barrett_> it's a few days I seem to perceive little earthquakes
[01:55:46] <Barrett_> same sensation I had with the bigger one
[01:55:58] <Barrett_> hope everything good under the ground
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[02:10:00] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash dec6697 - layouts: Restore feed links in footer.
[02:10:01] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 8edd8cb - layouts: Simplify <author> tag.
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[02:14:18] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: looks like discourse email sending totally busted lol
[02:15:24] <Premislaus> waddlesplash hmm? There is not only my problem?
[02:15:28] <waddlesplash> nope
[02:22:47] <Premislaus> BTW TuxMath do not use mouse?
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[02:43:26] <scottmc> Premislaus i think TuxMath just uses keyboard, but it's been awhile since i tried it
[02:43:38] <Premislaus> scottmc thanks
[02:44:19] <scottmc> many games that use SDL are keyboard/joystick only
[02:45:30] <Premislaus> I have cheap gamepad, maybe I try with some game :).
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[02:57:34] <Premislaus> scottmc Do you uses Haiku for evryday? In the past I used alphas. Today I think, I need only slighlty better Web+ (less crashes) and no screen tearing. Additional some Linux on small partition, for "backup".
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[02:59:01] <Premislaus> I'm using wokrspaces and stack and tile - pretty heavly.
[02:59:35] <scottmc> i'm trying to use it full time now, but yet, hitting same issue, Web+ not up to par yet. But I have one machine that I keep running Haiku on 100% and laptop that I dual boot with Ubuntu that I switch to Ubuntu when I need a more stable browser
[02:59:48] <scottmc> Haiku looks nice at 1920x1080
[03:00:18] <scottmc> i bought a 24" wide screen monitor just to use Haiku on.
[03:00:25] <Premislaus> :)
[03:00:34] <Premislaus> What a hardware you have?
[03:01:15] <Premislaus> I'm thinking that I'm the only AMD user in Haiku community.
[03:02:19] <Premislaus> DKnoto from Polish channel has FX8150, and obscure servers like DEC Alpha with NetBSD.
[03:02:46] <scottmc> i think it's an Intel Dell something... like 8yrs old
[03:02:55] <scottmc> hand me down from work
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[03:03:38] <scottmc> when i used to build my own year ago, i always went with AMD
[03:03:46] <scottmc> years
[03:05:09] <waddlesplash> ...
[03:05:26] <waddlesplash> I'm going to go to bed tonight and there will be a zillion bug reports about the website, won't there
[03:05:43] <scottmc> waddlesplash! How to I update changes on haikuports back to my fork on github?
[03:05:56] <waddlesplash> scottmc: uh, git push --force <your_fork_url>?
[03:06:27] <Premislaus> scottmc There is some Polish user. He currently tries to port Haiku on the netbsd kernel. His nickname is ryoshu (or something like that). From what I know he is succesfull with kits.
[03:06:56] <Premislaus> *try
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[03:07:15] <scottmc> Premislaus were you a GCI student in the past?
[03:07:25] <Premislaus> scottmc No.
[03:07:31] <Premislaus> scottmc I'm 28 ;).
[03:07:54] <Premislaus> scottmc I'm one of ex-admins of haiku-os.pl
[03:08:14] <Premislaus> scottmc Maybe you read my interviews with mmadia, kallisti5 and pdziepak?
[03:08:29] <Premislaus> scottmc Try to search on the forum.
[03:10:23] <scottmc> no name just looked like a former student, the one who wrote bespider... it was przemub github.com/przemub
[03:10:59] <scottmc> heh, also from poland
[03:11:13] <Premislaus> scottmc I remember him.
[03:11:28] <Premislaus> scottmc But I don't have conntact with him.
[03:11:36] <scottmc> I think he won one year, and then the next did a single task, wrote soliataire..
[03:12:09] <scottmc> i think he won the year before they invited the mentors to the winners trip
[03:12:17] <Premislaus> https://github.com/przemub/BeCell
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[03:13:51] <Premislaus> scottmc There is more on his github - BeKlondike or Weather.
[03:14:40] <scottmc> last year we have a student merge the bespider with beklondike. guess becell could be merged in as well. but ultimately we want the code to be generic and have "rules" for each specifc game.
[03:15:07] <scottmc> the new code was moved to github.com/haikuarchives/bespider
[03:15:22] <Premislaus> scottmc In the past we had "strong" community. We had finance app for VAT (european sales tax) - https://github.com/ytmytm/beos-fakBEtur
[03:16:14] <Premislaus> scottmc look at screenshots
[03:16:35] <Premislaus> scottmc There is more apps on this git, but probably Polish-specific.
[03:19:21] <Premislaus> scottmc From what I remember this app won in some paid competition on our defunct portal.
[03:21:30] <waddlesplash> Brace yourselves. Blog forum posts are incoming.
[03:23:10] <Premislaus> :)
[03:26:10] <Premislaus> scottmc Can you look - https://github.com/ytmytm/beos-heartofthealien and https://github.com/ytmytm/beos-reminiscence (games)?
[03:26:56] <Premislaus> scottmc cell phone managment - https://github.com/ytmytm/beos-bemobile
[03:28:38] <Premislaus> Probably this is not in HaikuArchives.
[03:29:43] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/21db079c9f16...1ad7520340f2
[03:29:45] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 1ad7520 - config.toml: Fix blog indexes.
[03:29:56] <waddlesplash> Hugo is Strange, Part XII
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[03:32:12] <scottmc> Premislaus interesting stuff.
[03:33:42] <Premislaus> scottmc There is another app, in Polish, for archeologist - some evidention.
[03:35:32] <scottmc> new website looks like old one.
[03:36:41] <Barrett__> hey scottmc
[03:36:54] <scottmc> hey Barrett__
[03:37:44] <scottmc> you interested in mentoring for UltraDV this summer?
[03:39:04] <lsitongia> Website home page looks like API documentation page...
[03:40:27] <Barrett__> scottmc, I'm not sure really I want to be mentor in GSoC
[03:41:17] <Barrett__> I changed a bit idea about that
[03:41:32] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/1ad7520340f2...5789fb9d4880
[03:41:34] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 5789fb9 - Fix markup error in humdinger's blog.
[03:42:42] <Barrett__> that project seems to be better placed as a time-lost hobby
[03:43:10] <Barrett__> just one year ago my mind was different
[03:44:46] <Barrett__> scottmc, do you think this is the year we are chosen?
[03:45:30] <Barrett__> last time was two years ago if I'm right
[03:46:43] <Barrett__> let's see how it gets finally
[03:50:00] <lsitongia> waddlesplash are you fixing the haiku-os.org website? Looks like a branch of it has overwritten the DocumentRoot.
[03:50:27] <waddlesplash> lsitongia: I don't see any problems here?
[03:50:36] <waddlesplash> lsitongia: 9:39 PM <lsitongia> Website home page looks like API documentation page...
[03:50:49] <waddlesplash> lsitongia: try a hard reload
[03:50:55] <waddlesplash> sounds like your DNS is out of whack
[03:51:04] <waddlesplash> the DNS record for www.haiku-os.org has changed
[03:51:50] <lsitongia> How hard reload? I know of shift-reload. Site was okay a few hours ago? DNS just changed?
[03:52:45] <waddlesplash> lsitongia: Yes, DNS has changed, main site now served via CDN
[03:55:00] <lsitongia> waddlesplash: what's an IP address resolution lookup program? No "host" or "nslookup" here. Do I need to simply reboot my system?
[03:55:13] <waddlesplash> lsitongia: ping?
[03:56:07] <lsitongia> waddlesplash: okay. I got PING haiku-os.org (78.46.189.221)
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[03:56:16] <waddlesplash> lsitongia: try ping www.haiku-os.org
[03:56:22] <waddlesplash> that's the record which has changed
[03:56:34] <waddlesplash> if the IPs are identical, that's wrong
[03:56:40] <waddlesplash> (they used to be)
[03:57:08] <lsitongia> waddlesplash: okay. I got PING haiku-os.org (78.46.189.221), PING haiku.netlify.com (104.130.69.120)
[03:57:17] <waddlesplash> the latter is correct
[03:57:23] <waddlesplash> close and restart browser?
[03:57:25] <waddlesplash> idk
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[03:58:35] <scottmc> Barrett__ i think our chances depend on the quality of our ideas list and the number of mentors we can get lined up.
[03:59:27] <lsitongia> waddlesplash: thanks very much. All clear now.
[03:59:34] <waddlesplash> mmhmm
[03:59:44] <waddlesplash> lsitongia: do send feedback on the new site if you have any. :)
[04:01:09] <waddlesplash> em
[04:01:14] <waddlesplash> Discourse just went RO
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[04:01:16] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: was that you?
[04:01:58] <Premislaus> OS Uptime [Haiku]: 1 hr 51 mins 29.555 secs
[04:02:45] <scottmc> Haiku nightly cd from r38293 August 21, 2010
[04:02:58] <Ptrus> Fri Jan 20 19:02:23 2017, up 1 day, 4 hours, 52 minutes
[04:03:06] <waddlesplash> scottmc: !
[04:03:15] <lsitongia> waddlesplash: searches in site for idk and netbeans gives missing pages in /community/forum/. Is that an old forum that is gone now?
[04:03:27] <scottmc> haiku x86_64 from nov 20, 2012
[04:03:34] <waddlesplash> lsitongia: Yes, all forum posts have been imported into discuss.haiku-os.org
[04:03:41] <waddlesplash> They were not removed from the old site tho
[04:04:04] <kallisti5> waddlesplash: backups
[04:04:09] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: ah
[04:04:23] <kallisti5> goes ro once a night while backing up
[04:04:35] <lsitongia> waddlesplash: 404 on https://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/what_setup_steps_netbeans
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[04:04:36] <kallisti5> i'll look into the discourse emails
[04:04:36] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: can you look at why discouse is sending no emails
[04:04:47] <kallisti5> also, I had comments disabled on purpose
[04:04:55] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: well, then they got un-disabled
[04:04:57] <kallisti5> figured it would be easier to import with no comments
[04:05:00] <kallisti5> however... meh
[04:05:03] <kallisti5> I enabled them
[04:05:05] <waddlesplash> uh, no, of course not
[04:05:09] <waddlesplash> you need the root posts no?
[04:05:09] <lsitongia> Thanks for looking into discourse emails. I've been trying to register.
[04:05:20] <kallisti5> weird... I know they *were* working
[04:05:30] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: did the system upgrades break them?
[04:05:38] <waddlesplash> That's the last thing I can think of that might've caused this
[04:05:43] <Barrett__> scottmc, I wouldn't like to resign after the project is chosen : (
[04:05:48] <kallisti5> ah, right
[04:06:00] <kallisti5> I got a bit distracted with the "omg the server isn't booting up"
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[04:06:20] <waddlesplash> LOL
[04:06:24] <kallisti5> it was on my checklist but I after 5 hours troubleshooting the failed os upgrade I forgot about it :-)
[04:06:58] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: also, I was looking at Discourse hosting again. Can we really use them?
[04:07:07] <waddlesplash> I think we're actually nearing 100k monthly pageviews (!)
[04:07:23] <Barrett__> scottmc, I don't really know where I will be or what I will be doing in that period
[04:08:07] <Barrett__> I don't know if I will be motivated to do so, and right now I'm not
[04:08:28] <rdad> motivated to do what?
[04:08:51] <Barrett__> there's still a few days before the application so...
[04:08:53] <kallisti5> lsitongia: check now :-)
[04:09:08] <Barrett__> rdad, mentoring in GSoC
[04:09:12] <kallisti5> waddlesplash: cough. systemctl enable postfix; systemctl start postfix
[04:09:21] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: ROFL
[04:09:35] <waddlesplash> there's like a zillion emails going out now aren't there
[04:10:37] <rdad> Barrett__, I see. Managing can be time consuming. Sometimes it gets to the point where it's easier if you just wrote it yourself ... from scratch :)
[04:10:43] <Premislaus> waddlesplash WoahI got 12 e-mails from Discurss.
[04:10:54] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: Yes, kallisti5 just fixed the email system
[04:11:00] <scottmc> i will probably sign up for some of the haikuarchives ones
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[04:12:06] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: um, I can't disable notifications for that haiku-os.org user
[04:12:24] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: I get a "The requested URL or resource could not be found." popup
[04:12:32] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: otherwise, the sysadmin list will like get a zillion mails won't it
[04:13:49] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: Also, why did we call it haiku-os.org? Why not just call it "Haiku"?
[04:14:47] <lsitongia> Clicking GET HAIKU in the website home page gives pop-up: Error loading https://www.haiku-os.org/get-haiku: Bad data
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[04:15:28] <waddlesplash> lsitongia: you're using Web+, aren't you. :-P
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[04:15:33] <waddlesplash> lsitongia: there's some bug, yeah
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[04:15:37] <waddlesplash> works on all other browsers
[04:15:48] <kallisti5> waddlesplash: yikes
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[04:16:05] <kallisti5> werid.. I wonder what is screwing it up
[04:16:09] * kallisti5 pages PulkoMandy for an idea
[04:16:30] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: I changed its email to be an alias of mine
[04:16:40] <waddlesplash> but, uh, I don't want all the notifications
[04:16:58] <lsitongia> Speaking of mail, I installed a nightly yesterday. Mail doesn't show me new mail in the Inbox until I reboot, *unless* I've sent the email *from* my HaBox (Haiku Intel NUC).
[04:17:19] <Barrett__> rdad, yes but apart from the result real live and motivation play a game
[04:17:23] <waddlesplash> lsitongia: what revision?
[04:17:38] <waddlesplash> lsitongia: oh, must be pretty new. Uh, file ticket I suppose
[04:18:17] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: Can't change its notification settings from my admin panel either, same error
[04:18:43] <lsitongia> waddlesplash: 50883-x86-gcc2_hybrid
[04:19:07] <waddlesplash> lsitongia: yep, file a bug. include syslog+listdev+your mail provider details
[04:19:36] <lsitongia> waddlesplash: WebPositive 1.1-alpha
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[04:19:54] <waddlesplash> lsitongia: Yes, WebPositive = Web+
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[04:26:14] <Premislaus> I created my first topic on the new forum - https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/reviving-the-community/4915 - Enjoy!
[04:26:32] <scottmc> just found my BeOS R4 CD...
[04:26:54] <lsitongia> kallisti5: got my emails from discuss. Thanks! I have an account now.
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[04:28:08] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: Can you haxxor in and hand edit the DB pls? I don't want to wake up with 10,000 emails
[04:28:28] <Premislaus> :)
[04:31:14] <lsitongia> Is there a way to tickle the mail daemon to get it to check for mail, perhaps manually? The menu item to check for mail now doesn't find any. I see new_mail_daemon in config/settings/Mail. That doesn't look executable.
[04:32:54] <waddlesplash> the menu item doesn't do the trick?
[04:33:00] <waddlesplash> like I said, file a ticket
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[04:35:37] <lsitongia> waddlesplash: righteo
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[04:44:10] <waddlesplash> 796 comment posts, huh?
[04:44:14] <waddlesplash> not bad at all
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[04:56:49] <waddlesplash> k I fixed it
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[05:33:37] <scottmc> waddlesplash you still here?
[05:33:52] <waddlesplash> scottmc: yes
[05:34:38] <scottmc> i tried making a pull request but it's still trying to add in changes i had in yesterday's pull request. how to i get it to drop those parts?
[05:35:03] <ohnx> scottmc: i think you need to make a new branch
[05:35:17] <ohnx> branch it from the current one and git rebase it to drop the other commits
[05:35:25] <ohnx> idk, that's how i would do it :p
[05:36:49] <scottmc> branch? where? on my pc, or on github?
[05:37:09] <ohnx> on pc
[05:37:12] <waddlesplash> yes
[05:37:29] <waddlesplash> use git format-patch to export commits
[05:37:31] <waddlesplash> then new branch
[05:37:41] <waddlesplash> then git am patch1; git am patch2, etc
[05:38:17] <ohnx> oh yeah you can do that, too
[05:40:35] <scottmc> so, i'm lost. so I currently have cloned github.com/scottmc/haikuports on my pc. github is showing it 5 commits ahead of haikuports/haikuports. 4 of those 5 are already on haikuports/haikuports. I just want to do a pull request to push the fifth one
[05:41:20] <scottmc> but when i try it want to do all 5 again.
[05:45:08] <waddlesplash> scottmc: yes, HaikuPorts did rebase merge probably
[05:45:17] <kallisti5> woot.. got my RC2014 running tonight
[05:45:26] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: RC2014?
[05:45:34] <kallisti5> Homebrew Z80 computer
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[05:46:01] <waddlesplash> scottmc: git format-patch -1, git reset --hard HEAD~6, git pull --ff-only https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports; git am 0001*.patch; git push --force <your clone>
[05:46:07] <waddlesplash> scottmc: that oughta do the trick
[05:46:15] <kallisti5> Running Microsoft BASIC DOS. I can copy and paste BASIC apps into the serial terminal and run them :-)
[05:46:20] <waddlesplash> lol
[05:46:29] <kallisti5> http://www.vintage-basic.net/bcg/civilwar.bas
[05:46:46] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: I ran a scrape of the website, all blog & news forum topics created now
[05:46:51] <waddlesplash> all 796 of 'em
[05:47:00] <lsitongia> kallisti5: Z80 as in 1970s? :-) I had a Sinclair Z80 back then...
[05:47:45] <scottmc> fatal: '1': not a non-negative integer
[05:47:49] <kallisti5> Yup. http://pastebin.com/D92A9cMv
[05:47:59] <waddlesplash> scottmc: which command
[05:48:12] <kallisti5> now... just have to get Haiku running on it before R1
[05:48:52] <scottmc> very first part,
[05:48:54] <scottmc> git format-patch -1, git reset --hard HEAD~6
[05:48:56] <lsitongia> kallisti5: holy crap!
[05:49:06] <waddlesplash> scottmc: those are two commands
[05:49:09] <waddlesplash> scottmc: not one
[05:49:14] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: LOL
[05:49:23] <kallisti5> lsitongia: https://www.tindie.com/products/Semachthemonkey/rc2014-homebrew-z80-computer-kit/
[05:49:24] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: it has, what, 5 kB of RAM? :p
[05:49:26] <kallisti5> it's a kit :P
[05:49:30] <kallisti5> 32kb
[05:49:39] <waddlesplash> oh boy
[05:49:56] <waddlesplash> well, Haiku needs 93MB to boot, so ... that's only a 99% reduction needed
[05:50:17] <kallisti5> hm.. I can plug as many modules in as I want though
[05:50:23] <waddlesplash> we'll finish the N64 port long before that ever happens :p
[05:50:26] <kallisti5> ha
[05:50:31] <lsitongia> kallisti5: do you have an old CRT TV to hook it up to? :-)
[05:51:10] <kallisti5> nah. Serial only atm. There is a video framebuffer based on a Raspberry Pi... but using a Raspberry Pi as a video card for a 1970's computer feels odd
[05:51:44] <lsitongia> kallist5: I bet you have an Altair 8080 around somewhere? ;-)
[05:51:51] <kallisti5> these basic games all suck
[05:52:08] * kallisti5 needs to upgrade a bit and get QBASIC
[05:52:16] <scottmc> git push --force <your clone> am I to assume the I put https://github.com/scottmc/haikuports.git here?
[05:52:37] <scottmc> or just run gut push --force
[05:52:41] <lsitongia> (I mean 8800)
[05:52:41] <waddlesplash> scottmc: yes
[05:52:57] <lsitongia> Where can I get idk? Can't find it in website or Depot. Thanks!
[05:53:10] <scottmc> waddlesplash, so first answer?
[05:53:13] <kallisti5> lsitongia: Nah. I was a mid 80's baby
[05:53:17] <waddlesplash> scottmc: yes
[05:53:17] <kallisti5> before my time :-)
[05:53:30] <waddlesplash> lsitongia: idk?
[05:53:40] <waddlesplash> lsitongia: there's an actual command called idk? lol
[05:54:50] <kallisti5> http://pastebin.com/qg9fthG7
[05:54:51] <kallisti5> good lord
[05:57:07] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: lol
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[06:01:37] <scottmc> waddlesplash, thanks, that looks like it worked.
[06:02:19] <waddlesplash> scottmc: reviewed. :D
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[06:03:28] <scottmc> yes it's the default, i copied it from the generic.. heh guess i can delete that
[06:04:15] <scottmc> runConfigure crashes and burns... --omit-dirs $docDir isn't working on it
[06:06:17] <waddlesplash> scottmc: remove dollarsign
[06:06:36] <scottmc> i think i tried both ways, but will try again
[06:07:06] <waddlesplash> scottmc: example https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/blob/75a3cf5384f650242f4b8a1094ab305d33ed99e7/dev-util/byacc/byacc-20150711.recipe#L36
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[06:13:19] <scottmc> it sorta worked... cept now it's making /usr/local/share/man/man1
[06:13:43] <waddlesplash> scottmc: well, find out what it wants for docdir
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[06:17:54] <scottmc> no, i was work... made changes to wrong recipe... i changed in different local repo here. omit-dirs is working now.
[06:17:59] <scottmc> i was wrong
[06:19:39] <waddlesplash> lol
[06:20:55] <waddlesplash> scottmc: does it put the manpages in right dir?
[06:20:59] <scottmc> now how to update pull request without blowing things up?
[06:21:04] <waddlesplash> or was that the other recipe problem?
[06:21:06] <waddlesplash> scottmc: it already did
[06:21:24] <scottmc> already blew up?
[06:21:25] <waddlesplash> scottmc: PR gets updated by you pushing commits
[06:21:31] <waddlesplash> scottmc: no already got updated properly
[06:21:33] <scottmc> ok, cool.
[06:22:00] <scottmc> .self/documentation/man/man1/diffstat.1
[06:22:08] <scottmc> looks right?
[06:22:11] <waddlesplash> yep
[06:22:25] <waddlesplash> but how did it do that without docdir?!
[06:22:29] <waddlesplash> oh well, looks ok
[06:23:01] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/bca353cc61b5...5591fee04a44
[06:23:03] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] scottmc 5591fee - Updated diffstat to 1.61 (#1096)
[06:23:59] <scottmc> thanks. still lots of rust here though. going to work through the lint issues to learn what i'm doing again.
[06:24:14] <waddlesplash> ok, cool
[06:24:29] <waddlesplash> scottmc: really nice to see you back though! :)
[06:25:08] <waddlesplash> And now it's time for me to head off to bed (12:25am here).
[06:25:10] <scottmc> we'll see how long it lasts. ;) it's been raining here for weeks, so sorta stuck inside
[06:25:34] <waddlesplash> Feels awesome to finally have the new site deployed. :)
[06:25:58] <waddlesplash> scottmc: :)
[06:26:59] <scottmc> nice work
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[10:02:32] <BrunoSpre> hello all...just tried to boot Haiku hrev 50874 from CD... I have a Sandybridge System... It works exept the multiprozesor support.. In process Bar there is only 1 prozessor shown...
[10:02:54] <BrunoSpre> maybe multiprozessor is still disabled?
[10:03:12] <humdinger> it shouldn't...
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[10:03:23] <humdinger> Oi Begasus!
[10:03:33] <Begasus> 'lo humdinger! :)
[10:03:42] <Begasus> 'lo peeps
[10:04:10] <BrunoSpre> Hi Begsus... did you try to compile powermanga game?
[10:04:44] <Begasus> yes, have been looking into it a while back
[10:04:45] <BrunoSpre> powermanga is nowhere to find... only the sources
[10:05:35] <BrunoSpre> I did not manage to get it compiled! I dont have the knowledge to edit the makefile I think
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[10:06:23] <BrunoSpre> yes multiprozessor was available long time
[10:06:52] <Begasus> http://pastebin.com/rFxt2APU
[10:07:05] <Begasus> that's how far I was the last time with it BrunoSpre
[10:07:12] <BrunoSpre> but it was disabled some years ago... yeserday I tried to boot from the CD and I got only one prozessor
[10:07:56] <BrunoSpre> ah Begasus... thats a pity... we have to find someone with more knowledge than me and you...
[10:08:06] <Begasus> probably :)
[10:08:12] <jessicah> I loved Atomic Bomberman!
[10:08:19] <jessicah> that game was so great
[10:08:29] <BrunoSpre> yes I remember Bomberman
[10:08:37] <BrunoSpre> it was a Casino game
[10:08:41] <Begasus> also had a bomberman recipe in the works :)
[10:09:01] <BrunoSpre> I mean an arcade game you had to pay for in the 80'th
[10:09:31] <jessicah> Atomic Bomberman I think was Windows version
[10:11:03] <jessicah> that game was so much fun
[10:11:22] <Begasus> powermanga still builds here BrunoSpre
[10:11:51] <jessicah> why does the homepage, summary, etc. all talk about bomberman if it's not bomberman?
[10:12:06] <BrunoSpre> hmmm how to get rid of the popup showing when try to start youtube cannot click anything because the popup is emty
[10:12:45] <BrunoSpre> just tried to google for atomic bomberman
[10:12:53] <Begasus> bugger ... libpng in the way again for powermanga ...
[10:13:06] <BrunoSpre> ah ok
[10:14:08] <BrunoSpre> I think the popup is about the polycity change from google ...
[10:15:18] <BrunoSpre> I have to use another search engine for now
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[10:25:56] <Begasus> ok, this "nothing provides libpng*" is getting annoying :/
[10:26:14] <Begasus> even after I change it to lib:libpng16 it still complains ...
[10:29:09] <BrunoSpre> yes strange... something to do with libz?
[10:29:22] <Begasus> ah I see, png installed in the system packages is still v 1.6.20 while it's trying to search for 1.6.28 (current recipe)
[10:29:37] <Begasus> atleast I think that will be the thing ...
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[10:30:57] <stargater> moin
[10:31:13] <BrunoSpre> ah good you find a way... So do you change it in the make-file?
[10:31:45] <Begasus> k ... that did the trick
[10:32:05] <Begasus> nope ... installed libpng16_x86 localy ;)
[10:32:21] <Begasus> but powermanga crashes on startup
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[10:41:01] <miqlas> BrunoSpre: you are the family building guy, right?
[10:41:27] <BrunoSpre> no sure not
[10:41:40] <BrunoSpre> nothing to do with this quy...
[10:41:54] <miqlas> umm, ok, sorry.
[10:42:07] <BrunoSpre> at least powermanga is starting
[10:42:19] <BrunoSpre> maybe you have to use an older version
[10:44:27] <miqlas> Yeah, The Family Building guy is Oliver Spaether
[10:44:56] <miqlas> Begasus: have you seen my lua patch?
[10:45:23] <Begasus> no miqlas not yet, is it still in the pr's?
[10:45:29] <miqlas> yep
[10:45:44] <miqlas> hope you accept it
[10:46:32] <BrunoSpre> my name is Spreter
[10:46:45] <stargater> for c++ coder -> golang for c++ coder -> https://github.com/golang/go/wiki/GoForCPPProgrammers
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[10:47:24] <Begasus> what does this patch do miqlas?
[10:48:15] <miqlas> enables some features. If you check the lua sources, it look like ifdef USE_POSIX ... else printff not supported platform.
[10:48:15] <Begasus> ah also see you used possix there :)
[10:48:49] <miqlas> sou it compiles fine with your patch, but dies because unsupported platform.
[10:50:19] <Begasus> gonna check it localy here :)
[10:50:26] <miqlas> tried to update the luarocks recipe, and hovewer it compiles fine, it complains about missing io.popt or what implementation. So i've checked, why it is missing, and found this.
[10:50:46] <miqlas> Recompiled lua with my patch, recompiled luarocks, tested, works.
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[11:10:21] <stargater> oh the new haiku page are online
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[11:16:08] <Begasus> would be nice to see fillets_ng building again :)
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[11:23:04] <Begasus> ScriptAgent.h:14:17: fatal error: lua.h: No such file or directory ... bugger ...
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[13:24:59] <Begasus> k ... fillets_ng build now (it still uses lua 5.1 functions)
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[14:12:17] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/5591fee04a44...29e0186b6fa8
[14:12:18] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson 29e0186 - wavpack: bump to 5.1.0 which now comes with wvtag(1), add _bin.
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[14:20:42] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] pulkomandy pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/5789fb9d4880...f6c0921e62c2
[14:20:44] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] pulkomandy f0509e8 - Re-add links to GSoC and Getting Involved
[14:20:45] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] pulkomandy f6c0921 - Delete "mail kit" idea
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[14:35:38] <miqlas-H64> The VIM QT GUI looks really nice: http://chunk.io/f/95c361a3911c46fab0b2643c71b11b5e (but not the icons, yikes!)
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[14:40:42] <AndrewZ> Why does vim need a GUI?? :-)
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[14:48:17] <PulkoMandy> AndrewZ: quite a lot! menus, markers, toolbars, scrollbars, anything you expect from a text editor
[14:48:46] <PulkoMandy> also it can then use more text features, such as curly underlines for misspelled words or build errors
[14:51:43] <OmniMancer> also the terminal is not the most efficient interface for scrolling large volumes of text
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[14:59:45] <AndrewZ> I am used to bare bones vim :-)
[15:00:02] <AndrewZ> no menus, no colors, no gui...
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[15:10:31] <AndrewZ> Can anyone answer a cmake question?
[15:11:47] <AndrewZ> I'm trying to build Blender, but getting "Could not find PythonLibsUnix (Missing: PYTHON_LIBRARY ...) ..."
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[15:31:36] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/29e0186b6fa8...2f0696de2ce3
[15:31:38] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson 2f0696d - libgcrypt: bump to 1.7.6.
[15:33:00] <Diver> AndrewZ: isn't PYTHON_LIBRARY defined in blender recipe?
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[15:45:56] <miqlas-H64> Hi Guys! Any idea, why the LaunchBox showing a normal Folder icon instead of the Partition icon if i drop a Partition onto a new button?
[15:47:12] <PulkoMandy> it is a bug in GetTrackerIcon in Haiku
[15:47:18] <PulkoMandy> it does not work for disks
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[15:48:48] <PulkoMandy> miqlas-H64: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/9480
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[15:52:10] <AndrewZ> Diver, I'm not using recipe, I'm using cmake
[15:52:21] <Diver> check the recipe then
[15:52:58] <AndrewZ> I have no experience with the recipe process...
[15:53:57] <AndrewZ> Diver, a different topic - are you using QEMU?
[15:54:06] <Diver> https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/blob/master/media-gfx/blender/blender-2.76.recipe#L71
[15:54:09] <Diver> nope, vmware
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[15:55:35] <AndrewZ> thank you, what executable runs .recipe?
[15:56:28] <AndrewZ> ok, haikuporter
[15:57:31] <Diver> yes
[15:57:32] <Diver> pkgman ins haikuporter
[15:58:11] <Diver> see also https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/wiki#tips
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[16:07:53] <miqlas-H64> PulkoMandy: what was your problem with vim again?
[16:08:14] <miqlas-H64> You have tried to install some extension, and had problems, i think
[16:08:22] <PulkoMandy> mh… I don't remember, there are several ones :)
[16:08:56] <PulkoMandy> I think the main problem is a lock for some seconds, I think it was with some "rainbow parentheses" thing
[16:09:13] <PulkoMandy> there is also the missing "clientserver" option, which is needed to get Cream working
[16:09:33] <PulkoMandy> and lately I tried installing YouCompleteMe but it tries to use Linux version of clang, and that doesn't work obviously
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[16:13:53] <miqlas-H64> PulkoMandy: yep, i think clientserver is a compile-time option. I can try to enable it.
[16:13:58] <miqlas-H64> mmu!
[16:13:59] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 8 commits to master [+1/-1/±8] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/2f0696de2ce3...5429ed366b33
[16:14:01] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli acd57fe - tesseract: fix build on x86_64.
[16:14:02] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli a432fef - vwget: fix SOURCE_DIR.
[16:14:03] <miqlas-H64> any news about v8?
[16:14:04] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 3ab6b44 - sqlitebrowser: force one-job build.
[16:14:05] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] ... and 5 more commits.
[16:19:47] <AndrewZ> mmu_man hi
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[16:20:04] <AndrewZ> a question on USB
[16:20:36] <AndrewZ> how much work to get web cam support in USB?
[16:20:47] <miqlas-H64> AndrewZ: if it wont slide in, try to roate it.
[16:20:48] <AndrewZ> Can we borrow code from BSD?
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[16:21:14] <AndrewZ> lol that's good :-)
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[16:21:57] <AndrewZ> and which parts need to be added?
[16:23:11] <AndrewZ> Miqlas, some years ago we tried to build VLC 1.01, yes?
[16:23:12] <miqlas-H64> AndrewZ: i don't think it is so easy. AFAIK Haiku borrows just te network drivers from FreeBSD, not the USB.
[16:23:30] <miqlas-H64> AndrewZ: i think it was 1.0.4
[16:23:41] <AndrewZ> ok, 1.0.4
[16:23:59] <miqlas-H64> AndrewZ: it is actually in HaikuDepot. I have it installed.
[16:24:13] <AndrewZ> yes?? Good job!
[16:24:34] <miqlas-H64> Runs, plays things, but it have some problems with audio, i don't know, what. I'm ok with mplayer right now, hovewer it caould get some love too
[16:24:57] <miqlas-H64> AndrewZ: i have nothing to do with VLC anymore, it is from somebody else.
[16:25:53] <miqlas-H64> AndrewZ: see? http://chunk.io/f/ff89edfdc080440b992401164a0fbe27
[16:26:22] <miqlas-H64> It using AFAIK SDL vo, but whats with the ao, i have no idea.
[16:26:39] <AndrewZ> very nice - not in HaikuDepot yet I see
[16:26:56] <Barrett> hello miqlas-H64 AndrewZ
[16:27:12] <PulkoMandy> AndrewZ: we already have drivers for USB webcams, but they don't work. We need someone with some patience to debug them
[16:27:19] <AndrewZ> @Barrett hey Barrett
[16:27:25] <miqlas-H64> Barrett: what was wrong with your medai server changes? it is reverted already
[16:27:39] <AndrewZ> hi PM, yes I have one webcam working
[16:27:47] <Barrett> was wrong that someone act as the boss and I have not bosses
[16:27:56] <Barrett> so I just act impulsively
[16:28:05] <Barrett> the changes are returning back, don't worry
[16:28:05] <AndrewZ> but it is only 1-2 frames per second, maybe because it is using uncompressed
[16:29:26] <AndrewZ> PM, so maybe some work on the SOC USB project?
[16:30:04] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/5429ed366b33...8698aab584a5
[16:30:05] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] return 8698aab - capstone: fix x86 build (#1091)
[16:33:04] <AndrewZ> Barrett - is it ADHD? :-)
[16:33:28] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/8698aab584a5...360b4b4b6169
[16:33:30] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 360b4b4 - sdl_ttf, updates on the png lib issues, removed some unneeded lib dependencies, removed *.la from sdl2_ttf (#1073)
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[16:34:29] <AndrewZ> Or just defiance of authority?
[16:35:29] <Begasus> thanks PulkoMandy :) ps, maybe update the libpng package in the repo? if I install it with pkgman it still uses the older version ...
[16:35:43] <PulkoMandy> which one?
[16:35:48] <PulkoMandy> _x86 or not?
[16:36:15] <Begasus> I think it still is 1.6.20 ... latest recipe in haikuports is 1.6.28
[16:36:24] <Begasus> x86 for me
[16:37:37] <Begasus> but probably wouldn't hurt to have also x86_gcc2 at the latest version?
[16:38:06] <Barrett> AndrewZ, lol
[16:38:31] <Barrett> it's just that haiku is a idonthavetimecracy so there's not authority really
[16:38:36] <Barrett> maybe time is the authority
[16:38:41] <Begasus> there isn't a 1.6.20 recipe in the tree also ...
[16:38:54] <PulkoMandy> there is in the "release" branch
[16:39:01] <Barrett> everyone makes mistakes but there's no need to demotivate others
[16:41:58] <Begasus> don't have the release branch here PulkoMandy ... anyway to add it localy? could be that some other libs also need update (some are ok already, but not in par with the ones in master/repo)
[16:42:27] <PulkoMandy> "git fetch origin" should fetch all branches
[16:42:59] <PulkoMandy> I'm trying to have the release branch match exactly with the repo
[16:43:08] <PulkoMandy> but people keep updating the repo from master and ignoring me
[16:43:15] <PulkoMandy> so I'm always trying to catch up
[16:43:33] <Begasus> not an easy task ;)
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[16:43:57] <Begasus> maybe at one point you should freeze master?
[16:45:05] <Begasus> hmm ... git fetch origin doesn't give me the release branch ...
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[16:47:21] <PulkoMandy> bit branch -vr ?
[16:47:25] <PulkoMandy> git branch -vr ?
[16:47:36] <PulkoMandy> it will only get you a remote branch (origin/release)
[16:47:47] <Begasus> there it shows up
[16:47:58] <PulkoMandy> so you can "git checkout origin/release ; git checkout -b release" to create a local one tracking it
[16:48:54] <Begasus> bugger ... some local changes in the way ...
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[16:51:33] <Vidrep> Good morning
[16:52:09] <humdinger> hullo Vidrep
[16:52:12] <Begasus> good afternoon :)
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[16:58:22] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/360b4b4b6169...b71a2c4f1c14
[16:58:24] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] xdizzaster b71a2c4 - libepubgen: added recipe (#987)
[16:58:45] <Vidrep> Hey guys
[16:59:07] <Vidrep> It looks like the Haiku website is still AWIP
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[17:00:00] <humdinger> It is.
[17:00:30] <Barrett> hi Vidrep
[17:00:47] <humdinger> Is there any chance to have the Forums remember me so I don't have to log in all the time? (under Web+)
[17:01:03] * humdinger hands a cookie to web+
[17:01:17] <Vidrep> Yesterday I built the recipe for libusb 1.0.21. It applies cleanly in x86_gcc2 and x86_64. It didn't appear to break anything
[17:01:55] <Vidrep> Here's the checksum, in case anyone is interested in makking the update "official": CHECKSUM_SHA256="1a5b08c05bc5e38c81c2d59c29954d5916646f4ff46f51381b3f624384e4ac01"
[17:02:03] <KapiX> PulkoMandy is 80 characters a hard limit, or if it's just 2-3 characters beyond it's OK?
[17:02:11] <Vidrep> Hi Barrett
[17:02:16] <KapiX> in our coding guidelines*
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[17:02:46] <humdinger> KapiX: it's hard. everything beyond is cut off by a commit hook. :)
[17:03:41] <Vidrep> humdinger, Gutenprint (not Gutenberg!) is working OK on 64 bit. You're right about it not building on x86_gcc2 though.
[17:03:59] <humdinger> I know. I checked 64bit too.
[17:04:17] <KapiX> humdinger ok, thanks
[17:04:58] <humdinger> KapiX: that was a joke... :P But I do think the 80char limit is strict.
[17:05:07] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 12 commits to master [+0/-0/±12] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/b71a2c4f1c14...7f7f2aec0c1b
[17:05:08] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] Ace002 2e61c2d - update figlet-222.recipe
[17:05:10] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] Ace002 2a529e8 - Update figlet-222.recipe
[17:05:11] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] Ace002 13b6335 - update figlet222
[17:05:13] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] ... and 9 more commits.
[17:05:17] <Vidrep> humdinger, I see korli got a giggle out of your typo
[17:05:17] <humdinger> otherwise we're on a aslippery slope towards a 90 char limit...
[17:05:31] <AndrewZ> PM, question on haikuporter
[17:05:44] <humdinger> Vidrep: as I wrote, I "Gutenberg" all the time...
[17:06:02] <AndrewZ> I am running haikuporter v 1.1.1 against the blender2.76 recipe
[17:06:04] <PulkoMandy> yes, 80 chars seems to be a hard limit despite what the coding guidelines say
[17:06:24] <PulkoMandy> I guess you can make an exception if you have a variable name longer than 80 chars
[17:06:48] <KapiX> those damn right bottom corners
[17:06:59] <AndrewZ> the error is: The version of the recipe format used in the ports tree is older than the one supported by haikuporter
[17:06:59] <KapiX> first a buggy function, now the variable name is too long
[17:07:01] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: aren't you taken out on the streets and shot, if ou have such a long variable anyway?
[17:07:06] <KapiX> ;)
[17:08:01] <humdinger> AndrewZ: I suppose you have to update the haikuports tree.
[17:08:10] <humdinger> AndrewZ: try hp -g
[17:09:04] <KapiX> humdinger shooting is for people abusing templates, for long var names you get whipping
[17:09:35] <humdinger> comforting...
[17:10:03] * waddlesplash sees no major explosions have occurred overnight
[17:10:51] <humdinger> other than only the front page works with Web+...
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[17:13:09] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/7f7f2aec0c1b...d0dbdcb3d4ad
[17:13:10] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] raefaldhia d0dbdcb - tox: new recipe for messaging platform
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[17:13:32] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: I see nothing in the coding guidelines that limits variable name length
[17:13:52] <miqlas-H64> Have you guys got my earlier messages?
[17:13:59] <PulkoMandy> (except the 80 columns limit of course)
[17:14:28] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: maybe because there hasn't been a maniac around trying to use a 80+ char variable...
[17:14:42] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: it seems more complex than that with the website, the other pages work "sometimes"
[17:14:48] <humdinger> miqlas-H64: that you're out of Jägers?
[17:15:15] <miqlas-H64> nope, but the network maybe not reliable in this pub
[17:15:58] <miqlas-H64> Then again: PulkoMandy, this could be interresting for you: http://chunk.io/f/c8a97a72c9dd4c4bb6d61c0d219a55e6
[17:16:19] <waddlesplash> humdinger: your "fonts" ticket is actually invalid
[17:16:21] <miqlas-H64> and this for everybody: http://chunk.io/f/1d0c17ec0bc14da6bef412935f87deb7
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[17:16:35] <waddlesplash> humdinger: I posted a screenshot of what the old site looks like on a system with proper font behavior
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[17:17:22] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: If you're poking at Web+ stuff, can you look at why some pages on the new site throw a popup with "Bad data"? I assume it's a NetApi issue
[17:17:29] <humdinger> waddlesplash: well... can it be changed to look like the old site, even if that was "wrong"? Especially the links in the sidebars look hideous.
[17:17:57] <waddlesplash> humdinger: Well, it might look wrong to you, but for everyone who's ever looked at the site, it looked "wrong" on Haiku and correct elsewhere.
[17:18:07] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: I will probably, because this is super annoying
[17:18:12] <waddlesplash> ok good
[17:18:33] <PulkoMandy> also, I noticed that the selection color is light blue on white, I would prefer leaving the default system colors
[17:18:46] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: the old site changed this too, at least on Firefox it dod
[17:18:57] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: But it did it half-wrong, so I fixed that, now it changes selection colors everywhere.
[17:18:57] <humdinger> waddlesplash: or it looked hideous for everyone not using web+...
[17:19:17] <waddlesplash> humdinger: Yes, well, not dismissing what you're saying, but, we need to have a design bikeshed I think. :D
[17:19:43] <PulkoMandy> should use the CSS from http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/ :D
[17:20:11] <miqlas-H64> PulkoMandy: i see what you have done
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[17:21:14] <humdinger> waddlesplash: well, I guess you have the power...
[17:21:19] <humdinger> https://vweb.haiku-os.org/ seems to be down.
[17:21:35] <waddlesplash> humdinger: works here
[17:21:38] <waddlesplash> although you spelled it wrong
[17:22:00] <humdinger> if it comes up again, compare the site header new vs. in web+.
[17:22:09] <humdinger> what's the right link?
[17:22:18] <waddlesplash> humdinger: did you see the image I posted to your ticket?
[17:22:35] <humdinger> yes.
[17:22:59] <humdinger> I just say it'll look better ith smaller fonts.
[17:22:59] <waddlesplash> ok. what do you mean about site headers
[17:23:03] <waddlesplash> I did change the metrics a tad
[17:23:12] <waddlesplash> I saw your image
[17:23:16] <waddlesplash> tbh I like the bold fonts for headers
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[17:23:56] <humdinger> what's the right url, if it's not https://vweb.haiku-os.org/ ?
[17:25:35] <waddlesplash> humdinger: vmweb.
[17:25:43] <humdinger> all image upload sites seem to be down.
[17:25:58] <humdinger> thanks.
[17:26:01] <waddlesplash> imgur works here
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[17:26:33] <prOSy_n8Ly> hiya
[17:26:53] <KapiX> PulkoMandy I have cleaned up the patches https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/7330
[17:27:40] <humdinger> don't you think the big fonts of the new site make it all really cramped. See:
[17:27:42] <humdinger> old: https://postimg.org/image/as06po2yh/f4d125b0/
[17:27:48] <humdinger> new: https://postimg.org/image/fyr1fnp65/a5a63e35/
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[17:29:08] <DCatt> Hello to all in Haiku nation :-)
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[17:31:00] <humdinger> the loose network of Haiku anarchists greet you, DCatt
[17:31:25] <DCatt> humdinger haha :-D
[17:32:36] <Barrett> AndrewZ, around?
[17:36:01] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/f6c0921e62c2...5b5b1263e2e3
[17:36:02] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 5671a41 - layouts/404: Fix grammar typo.
[17:36:04] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 5b5b126 - activity.js: Use an old for loop, Web+ doesn't support for-of.
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[17:40:57] <waddlesplash> humdinger: dev tab view works now ^
[17:41:20] <humdinger> waddlesplash: cool! thanks!
[17:41:26] <humdinger> what about the yet missing tabs?
[17:41:32] <waddlesplash> not implemented yet
[17:41:43] <waddlesplash> and will be giant pain to implement (need to write an Atom parser in the DOM)
[17:41:48] <humdinger> btw, I can live with the new font size by manually decreasing the size in web+ :)
[17:41:49] <waddlesplash> but I'll get around to it at some point I guess
[17:42:41] <humdinger> it's nice to see progress, and with out pretty static (heh) news/front page...
[17:43:08] <AndrewZ> @Barrett - hi
[17:44:04] <waddlesplash> humdinger: you can work on https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/11304 yourself, you know. :)
[17:44:14] <waddlesplash> be a good exercise to start hacking on the new site...
[17:44:48] <humdinger> waddlesplash: how does that work now again? was there a blog post etc. outlining it?
[17:45:03] <waddlesplash> humdinger: https://github.com/haiku/website -- everything in content directory
[17:45:10] <waddlesplash> just edit the .html or .md files or whatever
[17:45:23] <waddlesplash> the metadata is in a little section at the top of every file
[17:45:24] <humdinger> There's also demand to do blog posts. people should know how the new procedure look slike.
[17:45:31] <waddlesplash> humdinger: see the README
[17:45:32] <Barrett> AndrewZ, are you around today?
[17:45:44] <humdinger> Thanks, waddlesplash. I take a look.
[17:45:48] <waddlesplash> :)
[17:45:49] <Barrett> AndrewZ, we need to talk
[17:48:47] <Barrett> I will be around in an hour or so
[17:48:53] <Barrett> if you are not let's mail
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[17:49:53] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] pulkomandy 9212f32 - Register Jua and Barrett as mentors, remove some ideas
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[17:51:36] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 5d54b40 - shijin4.css: Fix background and scrolling behavior.
[17:52:35] <AndrewZ> I will be out, but let's talk, let's plan, let's solve the world's problems
[17:53:38] <Barrett> the last one would be neat
[17:55:15] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/5d54b406bb22...a0c77d9adb1c
[17:55:16] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash a0c77d9 - shijin4.css: Add missing "repeat no-repeat" to background rule.
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[17:56:36] <AndrewZ> we will cure the world starting with a video editor
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[18:03:52] <Diver> waddlesplash: btw, I agree with PulkoMandy on colour selection, it looked much better before
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[18:05:06] <waddlesplash> Diver: as I've said, I fixed it, it should've always been this way. :p
[18:05:12] <waddlesplash> I'll remove it, I suppose
[18:05:21] <Diver> thanks
[18:06:51] <Diver> there's also should be a bit more padding around images, see "A little report on Capitole du Libre" blog post
[18:07:07] <Diver> waddlesplash: oh and where is the pager?
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[18:08:05] <waddlesplash> Diver: see comment on ticket
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[18:10:15] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/a0c77d9adb1c...f3a524950a5a
[18:10:17] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash f3a5249 - learning_to_program_with_haiku.html: Fix "unable to render" errors.
[18:10:33] * PulkoMandy notices the e-mail from forum have bbcode in the 'text' part
[18:15:48] <Vidrep> AndrewZ, are you and Barret planning on sneaking in a UltraDV release of some sort before Beta?
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[18:26:26] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: can we access the website comments from the forum? they seem hidden there somehow?
[18:27:02] <PulkoMandy> ah, found the "blog" categor
[18:27:19] <Diver> waddlesplash: so without pager how can I list older posts now? I kinda liked this feature
[18:27:27] <PulkoMandy> not sure why these don't show up in the homepage (but I can understand) nor in the "unread" (more annoying I think)
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[18:29:51] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: blog category I temporarily hid from Latest because it would've flooded it
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[18:30:11] <waddlesplash> 796 posts in 3h (!)
[18:30:45] <waddlesplash> I'll add it back in a few days I suppose
[18:30:51] <PulkoMandy> yes, I see that it imported all articles, even those which had no comments
[18:31:12] <PulkoMandy> and apparently did not preserve posting dates
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[18:32:08] <PulkoMandy> actually, it seems it did not import any comments from the old website?
[18:32:17] <PulkoMandy> https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/uefi-progress-update/4522/1
[18:32:25] <PulkoMandy> had 17 comments on the old website, where are they?
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[18:39:01] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: kallisti5 has not imported them yet
[18:39:13] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: he says he's working on it
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[18:51:18] <PulkoMandy> k
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[19:00:50] <bbjimmy> still missing dev mailing list and bug reports
[19:02:00] <humdinger> tracked in https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13232
[19:05:25] <bbjimmy> But of course, since the Ticket updates was not there, I didn't see this ticket. :-/
[19:07:07] <ohnx> waddlesplash: what web+ js feature is not enabled? :p
[19:07:08] <humdinger> bbjimmy: there's still https://dev.haiku-os.org/timeline
[19:07:23] <humdinger> rss feed available
[19:07:44] <bbjimmy> never knew it was there.
[19:07:44] <KapiX> humdinger but the timeline does not display ticket updates by default
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[19:09:52] <humdinger> it's just a checkmark click away :)
[19:10:05] <PulkoMandy> ohnx: apparently, iterating over a NodeList
[19:10:20] <PulkoMandy> bug was fixed in webkit in may 2016 but we are way behind that in our port
[19:10:21] <PulkoMandy> need to update
[19:10:26] <PulkoMandy> do you want to help?
[19:10:42] <ohnx> idk how :p
[19:10:44] <ohnx> i would love to
[19:10:50] <ohnx> webkit is cool
[19:13:12] <PulkoMandy> well, I can help
[19:13:30] <ohnx> i have exams rn :p i will try after wednesday
[19:13:37] <PulkoMandy> first, clone http://github.com/haiku/webkit and build it following the README
[19:13:44] <PulkoMandy> you can pass your exams while it builds :D
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[19:13:49] <ohnx> lol
[19:15:19] <ohnx> can i clone on linux? or does it have to be from haiku itself
[19:16:03] <PulkoMandy> you have to build from haiku, but I would recommend doing a git clone from linux then copying/mounting that in an haiku install
[19:16:21] <PulkoMandy> that is what I did because the network stack in haiku usually fails in the middle of the cloning
[19:16:30] <PulkoMandy> (several gigabytes of git history to download)
[19:17:03] <ohnx> downloaded 1gb so far :p
[19:17:11] <ohnx> onto a school server though
[19:17:23] <ohnx> i will setup vmware or some virtualization thing to run haiku in
[19:18:43] <KapiX> ohnx I wouldn't recommend that
[19:18:53] <ohnx> why not?
[19:18:54] <KapiX> VMs are soooo much slower
[19:19:03] <KapiX> especially when it comes to building stuff
[19:19:11] <ohnx> i can wait! :D
[19:19:14] <ohnx> i have exams
[19:19:15] <KapiX> I am guessing webkit takes like 8 hours to build on bare metal
[19:19:20] <KapiX> on vm it could be days
[19:19:25] <ohnx> fine with me
[19:19:38] <ohnx> my exams finish on 25th
[19:19:44] <KapiX> different strokes for different folks I guess ;)
[19:20:00] <KapiX> I hate working in VM
[19:20:39] <waddlesplash> ...
[19:20:46] <waddlesplash> we already have spam submissions to contact form
[19:20:52] <waddlesplash> lol
[19:21:03] * waddlesplash looks around for netlify's spam checker
[19:21:13] <ohnx> just use recpatcha maybe?
[19:21:23] <scottmc> i am a robot
[19:23:15] <ohnx> :o knew it!
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[19:28:10] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: humdinger * hrev50888 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=785b8d68b394+%5Ea8e8f7ba4328
[19:28:11] <HAIKU-irker458> 785b8d68b394: Change of window title in print dialog
[19:29:26] <PulkoMandy> a full build of Haiku is 3 or 4 hours on this old laptop, and less than that on my more powerful desktop machine
[19:30:15] <PulkoMandy> 8 hours was the state when the webkit porting efforts to haiku started, but you can see that computers got much faster since then
[19:30:34] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/f3a524950a5a...8ca500387283
[19:30:35] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] humdingerb 8ca5003 - Add link to screenshot tour to About page (#18)
[19:30:37] <waddlesplash> humdinger: :)
[19:30:52] <humdinger> first PR: merged! :)
[19:30:54] <humdinger> thanks
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[19:31:35] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash ea68cfe - contact.md: Add a honeypot field to catch bots.
[19:31:46] <KapiX> PulkoMandy I based my shot on LibreOffice which took about 6 hours on i3-2xxx
[19:31:51] <KapiX> I assumed webkit is bigger
[19:31:57] <KapiX> but that assumption might be wrong
[19:32:11] <humdinger> waddlesplash: hwo's that with blog posts now? anyone wanting to publish one can just add a folder with his name under contents/blog/ and create a PR?
[19:32:34] <waddlesplash> humdinger: indeed
[19:32:49] <humdinger> There's someone at the forums who'd like to give it a shot.
[19:32:55] <humdinger> I'll reply that.
[19:33:19] <PulkoMandy> mh, do we want to accept everyone adding blogposts on our website?
[19:33:41] <humdinger> no. the PR has to me merged. can be denied of course
[19:33:48] <PulkoMandy> it used to be that we would grant permissions only for people with commit access + gsoc students IIRC
[19:33:52] <PulkoMandy> yes, of course
[19:34:11] <PulkoMandy> but you should warn him that we may not accept the PR, and we need some rules as to what we accept, what we don't
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[19:35:20] <humdinger> Will do. coming up with rules might be tricky though.
[19:35:42] <humdinger> Like "I recognize porn when I see it."
[19:35:54] <humdinger> can't define it strictly...
[19:36:19] <Barrett> https://github.com/HaikuArchives/AudioMeter anyone tested it ever?
[19:36:35] <Barrett> I need this :)
[19:36:48] <Barrett> ah it uses BDACStream
[19:36:55] <Barrett> no way to test
[19:37:00] <PulkoMandy> the rules can just be "we don't merge PR automatically, you have to convince the people reviewing your blogposts that it should be merged, and if they don't want to, publish it elsewhere"
[19:37:33] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/ea68cfe93892...c7d4bf302fbf
[19:37:34] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash c7d4bf3 - shijin4.css: Change pre-format tab size to 4.
[19:37:43] <PulkoMandy> we can complete the rules as we go with some examples
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[19:38:57] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: right. I'll quote you. :)
[19:41:33] <humdinger> waddlesplash: can blog post be moved around freely. i.e. we could create a contents/blog/guestwriter folder where we post those blogs.
[19:41:34] <ohnx> can haiku run on a single-core computer?
[19:41:51] <humdinger> waddlesplash: once someone becomes a regular, she can get her own folder.
[19:41:52] <waddlesplash> ohnx: of course
[19:41:57] <humdinger> possible?
[19:42:01] <waddlesplash> ohnx: it can run on an Athlon XP quite well
[19:42:12] <waddlesplash> humdinger: yes, of course
[19:42:18] <waddlesplash> humdinger: you can move any content around by moving the files
[19:42:38] <humdinger> OK, cool. shall we do that then "guestwriter"?
[19:42:46] <humdinger> or "oped"?
[19:42:55] <ohnx> are you guys making the new haiku website?
[19:42:59] <waddlesplash> or just "guest"
[19:43:02] <waddlesplash> ohnx: it's already launched
[19:43:08] <waddlesplash> we're talking about improvements
[19:43:14] <ohnx> https://www.haiku-os.org/ is the new one?
[19:43:18] <waddlesplash> mmhmm
[19:43:27] <waddlesplash> looks like the old one but VERY different under the hood
[19:43:28] <ohnx> i don't see a difference... lol
[19:43:31] <ohnx> ah ok
[19:43:44] <waddlesplash> ohnx: it's Bootstrap based. Try resizing your browser and watch it change sizes.
[19:43:47] <ohnx> gh pages now?
[19:44:14] <humdinger> waddlesplash: can you create a "guest". Save us a PR....
[19:44:36] <waddlesplash> humdinger: sure
[19:44:42] <humdinger> thanks!
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[19:48:40] <stargater> humdinger: can you see your src Paper setup vs paper setup
[19:48:50] <stargater> https://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=785b8d68b3940251972caf9b16a6c4eab9b3e8a6
[19:50:01] <humdinger> stargater: yes
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[19:53:17] <stargater> ok
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[19:57:05] <waddlesplash> humdinger: actually I just realized that wouldn't be compatible with how Discourse handles comments
[19:57:11] <waddlesplash> humdinger: better for people to just make their own blog
[19:57:17] <waddlesplash> which is what the GSoC students did
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[19:57:39] <humdinger> waddlesplash: you mean create their own folder etc.?
[19:57:43] <waddlesplash> yeah
[19:57:47] <humdinger> OK.
[19:57:48] <waddlesplash> humdinger: there are scripts to do this
[19:57:53] <waddlesplash> if you read the README
[19:58:40] <humdinger> what a novel idea... read the readme...
[19:58:49] <humdinger> doing that now...
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[20:34:58] <ohnx> hmm not bad
[20:35:12] <ohnx> haiku running inside virtualbox on my server, connecting via a tunnel through ngrok :p
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[20:43:39] * PulkoMandy gets lost in wget sourcecode
[20:46:49] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: axeld * hrev50889 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=3ef97f9a63f0+%5E785b8d68b394
[20:46:50] <HAIKU-irker458> b9f09f030e5c: Coding style cleanup.
[20:46:51] <HAIKU-irker458> 3ef97f9a63f0: hmulti_audio.media_addon: Removed superfluous semaphore.
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[20:56:29] <Premislaus> hello
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[21:01:39] <PulkoMandy> hi
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[21:02:35] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/a976a9dd8e3e...6e2ec05accd2
[21:02:36] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] pulkomandy 6e2ec05 - Add another idea from Barrett: plugins support in MediaPlayer.
[21:20:08] <ohnx> PulkoMandy: is the best way to copy WebKit files from my pc to haiku scp?
[21:20:16] <PulkoMandy> rsync?
[21:20:22] <ohnx> oh yeah
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[21:24:34] <ohnx> hmm weird
[21:24:50] <ohnx> drivesetup seems to not like setting up my hard disk
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[21:26:59] <ohnx> nvm, apparently it doesn't like having multiple paritions?...
[21:27:22] <PulkoMandy> that should work, but you need to create a partition table first
[21:27:32] <PulkoMandy> (if there isn't one already)
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[21:28:15] <ohnx> i know, i made a GPT parition map
[21:28:39] <ohnx> and i tried to create a disk partition, but it didn't do it
[21:28:53] <ohnx> like i name it "HS" and it shows as having no label
[21:28:58] <PulkoMandy> worked last time I used it here
[21:29:02] <PulkoMandy> mh, not sure about labels
[21:29:11] <PulkoMandy> you can name it when formatting it anyway
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[21:31:02] <ohnx> hmm idk
[21:31:08] <ohnx> works without a partition map :p
[21:31:20] <PulkoMandy> yes, but only 1 partition of course
[21:31:23] <ohnx> but i made the disk 5gb, and webkit needs like 15gb :p
[21:33:23] <PulkoMandy> I tried to run du -hs to check and it seems to freeze half of my system
[21:34:05] <stargater> test
[21:34:12] <PulkoMandy> pong
[21:34:32] <stargater> ehe :-)
[21:35:24] <stargater> i used so lang time unix systems now i found the write command to talk on the server with other loggin users :-)
[21:35:54] <stargater> lang = long
[21:38:07] <PulkoMandy> weird bug, my whole system froze eventually
[21:38:21] <PulkoMandy> according to KDL, all cores running idle threads
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[22:09:17] <ohnx> hmm internet is unreachable from within my vm ._.
[22:09:20] <ohnx> will have to debug later
[22:13:12] <PulkoMandy> did you pick the network card type?
[22:13:29] <PulkoMandy> the default one (pc-net III or something) doesnt work with our driver, the other choices do
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[22:27:51] <lelldorin> From BeSUergroup Forum: What annoys me the most is the apparently nobody disturbed the sound with only one channel runs. I have Haiku on 4 completely different computers and laptops run on but no one gets sound from both boxes / channels and when you in the sound settings rumstellt is the sound mostly completely away
[22:27:57] <lelldorin> Is this correct?
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[22:34:47] <Premislaus> waddlesplash: Can I run Hugo under Haiku?
[22:35:53] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: unfortunately our Go port is too old
[22:45:44] <PulkoMandy> lelldorin: when it works, it works on 2 channels for me
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[22:55:08] <stargater> but its works
[22:55:34] <stargater> go is a old version but it works
[22:57:01] <BrunoSpre> hello all... does sound recorder work now?
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[23:15:02] <lelldorin> PulkoMandy: Thanks for the aswaer
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[23:18:16] <BrunoSpre> hello Barrett... does SoundRecorder work now? Or is it to early to ask? thx Ia
[23:18:27] <Vidrep> That change to printer prefs that humdinger made earlier didn't change anything...odd
[23:19:27] <Barrett_> BrunoSpre, what do you mean
[23:19:35] <Barrett_> the app SoundRecorder?
[23:19:37] <Vidrep> https://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=785b8d68b3940251972caf9b16a6c4eab9b3e8a6
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[23:21:48] <Vidrep> Now I'm thinking it will appear only in the current anyboot nightly. pkgman update won't do it.
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[23:29:22] <Vidrep> Can somebody modify the description of a trac ticket for me?
[23:29:44] <Vidrep> I'm able to edit the title, but not the description
[23:30:03] <Vidrep> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12571
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[23:31:13] <Vidrep> Actually that ticket should really be in HaikuArchives and not on trac anyway
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[23:47:04] <BrunoSpre> Hi Barrett I mean is the program SoundRecorder working with a mic?
[23:47:52] <BrunoSpre> I tried to use a microphone and I see SoundRecorder is working... but I cannot hear some sound
[23:48:46] <BrunoSpre> Barrett ... I thought you just enabled SoundRecorder
[23:49:47] <BrunoSpre> Barrett... I thought you can record sound with it for example with a microphone.... isnt it?
[23:50:37] <ohnx> hey jessicah would you happen to know anything about allocating memory in uefi?
[23:50:56] <ohnx> i tried just using some random memory address to read/write stuff to, but it doesn't seem to work :<
[23:52:25] <BrunoSpre> Barrett.. I am just wondering because there is no input in the Media Preflet...
[23:53:52] <Premislaus> jessicah: Is your EFI build good to merge with current Haiku?
[23:56:15] <Barrett__> BrunoSpre, did you set the right input in media preferences?
[23:56:44] <Barrett__> eh seems a driver bug or something like that
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