January 20, 2017 
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January 20, 2017 [00:04:46] *** Sparky <Sparky!~vision@c-73-14-172-37.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[00:07:39] *** Barrett_ <Barrett_!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[00:07:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett_[00:09:34] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[00:10:23] <Sparky> I'm in a bit of a Catch-22. I have been unable to create an account in the Haiku website or the Community Forum. The Create login function in the website requires an account! The Contact page for the website appears to require an account. I can't use that to explain that account creation fails. No one responded to my tweet to the official handle for that. The Forum account create doesn't send the activation email. Would someone notify[00:10:23] <Sparky> the contact to let them know of my trouble? I'm lsitongia at zaclys dot net. Thanks![00:13:08] <Duggan> Sparky the website is in read-only mode right now due to a pending upgrade[00:21:27] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[00:23:55] <Sparky> Okay, thanks, Duggan.[00:25:30] <Duggan> no problem, Sparky[00:25:47] <Duggan> is there a question you wanted to post to the forum?[00:25:47] <Skipp_OSX> Sparky, all accounts have been migrated to discuss.haiku-os.org[00:26:25] <Skipp_OSX> Sparky, if you had an account on haiku-os.org, you should still have one on discuss, you merely need to reset your password to login[00:26:52] <Skipp_OSX> if you didn't have an account on haiku-os.org you can register a new one on discuss[00:27:57] <Sparky> I didn't have an account on haiku-os.org. The Community Forum link there goes to discuss. I cannot create an account there because it doesn't not send the activation email.[00:32:05] <Skipp_OSX> Sparky, I'm trying to see if I can get the reset password email myself here[00:32:27] <Skipp_OSX> so far... nothing[00:32:57] <Duggan> Skipp_OSX I'm pretty sure that's due to the site being in readonly mode...[00:32:58] <Skipp_OSX> it's possible that we're experiencing a problem on the server[00:32:59] <Premislaus> Skipp_OSX My login and password did not work on discuss, but works on mainpage. When I click in "I forget my password" I don't get e-mail.[00:33:07] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, I mean on discuss[00:33:20] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, I realize the haiku-os.org site is not going to work[00:33:23] <Duggan> Skipp_OSX that's not part of the website? (I haven't been there so I don't know)[00:33:42] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, it is a separate Discourse instance[00:34:35] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Macabre?)[00:34:57] <Duggan> Skipp_OSX alright, I guess as long as it's not affected by the lockdown... I'll assume you know more about it than me :)[00:39:19] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, I don't think so[00:39:45] <Skipp_OSX> still no email here, I'm guess there must be a problem on the server sending out mails[00:42:37] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@2a00:f41:1cde:de9e:d4b7:54ff:fe12:822> has joined #haiku[00:43:09] <Sparky> Thanks for your work. I gotta go but will check back later.[00:43:39] <Premislaus> Another bug... Application types do not respect "multiple launch" or saving it.[00:44:57] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, I'm guessing that is yet another consequence of apps being installed on read-only fs[00:47:46] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@2a00:f41:1cde:de9e:d4b7:54ff:fe12:822> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[00:48:00] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, you could try installing an app in ~/config/non-packaged/apps and then see if you can set multiple launch from FileTypes[00:51:01] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:51:17] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[00:55:24] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@2603:3023:80d:c600:f0cb:c582:4105:e9fc> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:59:53] <ohnx> [05:03:22] Duggan: if you google "mining company" you get more websites for restaurants than you do companies that actually mine[01:00:00] <ohnx> here in canada, there are many mining companies :p[01:00:44] <Duggan> ohnx know any that are hiring? preferrably software developers? :P[01:01:07] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@74.51.208.130> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[01:01:29] <Duggan> I've fulfilled the requirements for a degree in geology, I just haven't applied for graduation yet... effectively I have degrees in both Computer Science and Geology[01:01:42] <ohnx> uhh[01:01:48] <ohnx> hmm idk[01:02:04] <Duggan> and I'd like to use that to develop geology software for the mining industry[01:02:06] <ohnx> i'm sure you can actually find some out in like the praries[01:02:35] <Duggan> I think I'll be applying for a position at Maptek, but I'm technically overqualified :([01:03:22] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-31-0-67-140.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[01:05:25] <ohnx> did you have any jobs before?[01:05:37] <Premislaus> Duggan They wants geologist for paper work - https://www.pracuj.pl/praca/mlodszy-specjalista-ds-administracji-kadrowej-warszawa,oferta,5019086?sug=list_top_cr_bd_25 - Ms Office and Symfonia[01:06:26] <Premislaus> Junior Specialist For Personnel Administration[01:06:35] <ohnx> "junior" though[01:06:50] <ohnx> maybe Duggan is too overqualified? :p[01:07:52] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-31-0-67-140.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[01:08:06] <Premislaus> I think this is only one job offer in my country for IT Geologits.[01:08:42] <Duggan> Premislaus I'm not opposed to moving overseas, but I doubt they'd sponsor me to immigrate for a junior position :) thank you though![01:09:04] * Duggan starts porting Seismic Unix to Haiku...[01:09:41] <ohnx> geology nerd! :p[01:12:16] <Duggan> yes? and? :P[01:12:21] <Duggan> geology rocks![01:12:24] <Duggan> hardcore![01:12:54] <Duggan> geologists know what makes the bedrock ;)[01:13:02] <ohnx> LOL[01:13:07] <Premislaus> Yeah. Mines in Silesia, or similar enterprise, wants sometimes programmers - C++ and Qt. But it is very low paid job.[01:13:44] <Premislaus> Comparing to Android Development for US clients.[01:14:01] <Duggan> I don't want to do mobile development and I don't want to do websites[01:14:22] <Duggan> I like lower level stuff, that's why I hang around you bunch of goofballs :P[01:14:30] <ohnx> yeah![01:14:42] <ohnx> you should do circuit design! :D[01:14:45] <Premislaus> I don't want to live with my shity job ("worker"), currently I'am jobless.[01:14:49] <ohnx> you know ML anyways[01:15:00] <Duggan> my third degree is electrical engineering, so yeah... (haven't finished yet though)[01:15:23] <Duggan> two degrees just isn't enough :P[01:15:35] <Duggan> three isn't either... eventually I'll go for a MS in Geophysics[01:15:41] <Duggan> eventually...[01:16:44] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)[01:17:00] <ohnx> lol[01:17:07] <ohnx> how long did you spend/are you spending in uni? ...[01:17:53] <Duggan> let's see... 2 1/2 + 3 + 1/2 + 2 1/2.... 8 1/2 years so far[01:18:59] <Premislaus> Wow. I don't have any degree.[01:19:26] <Duggan> I just have the one, finished another, and working on a third so far[01:20:54] <Duggan> planning on at least the MS in Geophysics after the third, so maybe 4 total when I'm done, maybe more :P[01:23:23] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has joined #haiku[01:28:32] <Premislaus> Duggan Where you live?[01:28:52] <Duggan> Premislaus The United States[01:29:03] <Premislaus> Duggan I know, but what city?[01:29:21] <Duggan> Premislaus whoever said I lived in a city? :P[01:29:43] <Duggan> lol[01:29:57] <Duggan> I live between New Orleans, Louisiana, and Mobile, Alabama[01:30:05] <Duggan> I live in Mississippi on the Gulf Coast[01:30:26] <Premislaus> What a "****hole" - you know I'm learning English from very wild webpages.[01:31:06] <Duggan> hehe[01:31:12] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[01:31:36] <Premislaus> I like Dixie.[01:31:57] <Duggan> it's home :)[01:32:00] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has joined #haiku[01:34:06] <Premislaus> Dixie is "similiar" to Poland. I think. Once in the past I read "Gone with the Wind".[01:34:09] <Premislaus> http://www.ifitweremyhome.com/compare/US/PL[01:37:20] <Premislaus> Duggan https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/00/8a/69/008a69a22b925637ff03865fa51312b0.jpg[01:37:26] <Premislaus> ;)[01:39:51] <Duggan> lol that's great :D[01:46:06] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[01:46:17] <Duggan> hmmm the laws are getting better, but could still use a little work :P https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#Poland[01:50:34] <Premislaus> Duggan I wad libertarian and progun activist, in the past. But I don't care about politics anymore. I do not watch TV, do not read news.[01:50:37] <Premislaus> *was[01:51:47] <Duggan> ah... I try to keep up with the news until it gets too depressing, then I take a break[01:52:15] <Premislaus> Probably still I'm in R.O.M.B. official sympatics - Polish NRA wannabe.[01:52:41] <Duggan> haha[01:53:09] <Premislaus> I sign a letter or document on the website ;).[01:54:40] <Duggan> :)[01:54:53] <Duggan> this repo is huge... almost 1.5 gigs...[01:55:00] <Duggan> (Seismic Unix)[01:58:02] *** earthnat1ve is now known as earthnative[01:58:43] <ohnx> apparently webkit is also very big[01:58:56] <ohnx> can you imagine the sizes of like those big programs like photoshop? :o[02:01:44] <Premislaus> Duggan Shit I'm still in Google Graphics - http://ofensywawolnosci.pl/5217-2/ - I was thinkig that Rubio will be next Obama (latino votes, etc).[02:02:45] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[02:07:02] *** punsith <punsith!44834d22@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.131.77.34> has joined #haiku[02:09:44] <Duggan> hehe I have no idea what that says :P[02:10:11] <Duggan> oi... for whatever reason SU apparently needs x11/motif :/[02:10:18] * Duggan isn't happy about that.[02:12:28] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-167-201-59.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:12:45] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-196-156-253.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[02:12:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[02:24:13] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[02:25:38] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[02:37:16] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[02:46:47] <Duggan> I'm getting a "storage size of 'buf' is unknown" on a line "struct stat buf;" is the compiler not finding stat.h or is something else going on?[02:47:01] *** Barrett_ <Barrett_!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[02:47:01] *** pfoetchen <pfoetchen!~pfoetchen@beiboot1.petschge.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[02:47:08] *** pfoetchen <pfoetchen!~pfoetchen@beiboot1.petschge.de> has joined #haiku[02:48:33] <ohnx> what's your code?[02:48:58] <Duggan> "struct stat buf;" :P[02:49:42] <Duggan> stat being the struct defined in /boot/system/develop/headers/posix/sys/stat.h[02:50:20] <ohnx> i think it's not finding the header[02:51:20] <Duggan> I thought so too, so I explicitly added the posix directory to the makefile, didn't seem to work though[02:51:44] <Duggan> (#include <sys/stat.h> is how the include line reads, so the path should be correct)[02:53:56] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[02:54:40] <ohnx> hmm[02:54:52] <ohnx> try adding the folder only and just "stat.h" :p[02:56:21] <Duggan> meh I think I know what the issue is, it's just a maze of makefiles I have to wade through...[03:00:30] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!vision@181.46.220.162> has joined #haiku[03:11:51] <Premislaus> Buzz in social media (Haiku) - https://imgur.com/gallery/joN0r[03:14:09] <Premislaus> Why I have always downvotes on Imgur...[03:14:44] <Duggan> looks like a bot to me :P[03:15:36] <Premislaus> I think I must delete acount. -4 after some seconds[03:15:49] <ohnx> LOL[03:15:54] *** HaikuUser2 is now known as _Dario[03:18:46] <Duggan> how do you view the environment variables again?...[03:20:34] <Duggan> I thought there was a native gui app that did that some time back[03:21:46] <ohnx> hey jessicah how do you re-enable the watchdog timer?[03:23:49] <jessicah> I don't know, not touched that before[03:24:15] <jessicah> Duggan: either type set, or export[03:24:26] <ohnx> oh lol[03:24:35] <jessicah> one of those should work, no arguments[03:25:03] <ohnx> expoirt i think[03:25:03] <jessicah> ohnx: do you not have uefi specs open?[03:25:20] <jessicah> they're free to download :p[03:25:21] <ohnx> export puts it out as a bash script[03:25:25] <ohnx> uhh where? :o[03:25:40] <ohnx> all i base it off of it the gnu-efi source code header comments lol[03:25:41] <ohnx> and http://wiki.osdev.org/UEFI[03:25:42] <jessicah> uefi.org :p[03:25:47] <ohnx> oh ._.[03:27:39] *** King_Warg1 <King_Warg1!~Wildman@50.110.111.107> has joined #haiku[03:27:42] <ohnx> so now i get to comb through a 2,700 page document lol[03:27:42] <ohnx> http://www.uefi.org/sites/default/files/resources/UEFI%20Spec%202_6.pdf[03:30:12] *** King_Warg <King_Warg!~Wildman@184-15-25-198.dr01.chtn.wv.frontiernet.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[03:30:46] *** _Dario <_Dario!vision@181.46.220.162> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[03:30:59] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!vision@181.46.220.162> has joined #haiku[03:31:40] *** HaikuUser2 is now known as _Dario[03:33:03] <Duggan> jessicah thanks, I googled how to do it in bash, I just thought we had some sort of a native app for it[03:34:35] <Duggan> and actually, I used env :P[03:35:03] * Duggan now tries to figure out where $I, $B, and $R are defined...[03:37:10] <Premislaus> I think that new Mozilla logo is bad - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuLWXHgyEVw[03:38:02] <Duggan> ah found them.... now to figure out how they're supposed to work, considering they're defined after they're used :/[03:38:02] <ohnx> is thqt just a concept?[03:38:08] <ohnx> or is it actually now that lol[03:39:37] <Stephanie> Holy cow that logo is... interesting...[03:40:19] <Duggan> for people over profit... because socialism... works?.... no, that's not right... apparently that's the point they're trying to get across though :P[03:40:42] <Duggan> should be: mozilla: because we got tired of being called nutscrape[03:41:23] <ohnx> my reaction to the new logo is in the logo itself! :o what a suprise[03:41:27] <ohnx> my reaction[03:41:28] <ohnx> :/[03:41:35] <FlyingJester> It's better than the Burst logo they were pushing earlier :/[03:41:49] <FlyingJester> But the dino-stapler and the all-seeing-eye were much better than what they chose.[03:42:16] <ohnx> so jessicah for printable characters, the EFI_INPUT_KEYS is the key char?[03:43:05] <Duggan> they'll always be nutscrape to me <3[03:45:25] <jessicah> I like the new logo[03:46:09] <jessicah> ohnx: uh, can't you just look at how the haiku uefi loader does things?[03:46:18] <FlyingJester> I like it, given that it was almost the Burst logo. This is at least OK.[03:46:18] <Premislaus> Guys and girls - avoids incoming shit from Qualcomm -http://www.dobreprogramy.pl/Secure-Boot-w-wydaniu-Qualcomma-na-Androida-i-Windows-10.-Cena-bezpieczenstwa-bedzie-brak-wyboru,News,78644.html (sorry in Polish - google translate doesn't work for webpages in Web+), but here is paper in English - https://www.qualcomm.com/documents/secure-boot-and-image-authentication-technical-overview . Not only smartphones, also upcoming computers with[03:46:18] <Premislaus> Snapdragon 835 and Windows 10.[03:46:22] <ohnx> probably? :p[03:46:52] <ohnx> where is the boot code? :p[03:47:01] <jessicah> ...[03:47:19] <ohnx> nvm[03:47:20] <ohnx> https://github.com/haiku/haiku/tree/master/src/system/boot[03:47:50] *** protokollieren <protokollieren!ignacio@unaffiliated/ohnx/bot/protokollieren> has left #haiku[03:47:50] *** protokollieren <protokollieren!ignacio@unaffiliated/ohnx/bot/protokollieren> has joined #haiku[03:48:11] *** protokollieren <protokollieren!ignacio@unaffiliated/ohnx/bot/protokollieren> has quit IRC (Quit: network error)[03:48:12] <jessicah> FlyingJester: where are these other logo potentials? am curious now :p[03:48:18] <Duggan> aaaahhhhh geocities....[03:48:23] *** protokollieren <protokollieren!ignacio@2001:4830:134:7::11> has joined #haiku[03:48:51] <FlyingJester> jessicah: https://blog.mozilla.org/opendesign/[03:49:53] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@71-212-104-59.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[03:49:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[03:50:08] <FlyingJester> They were pushing Burst really hard in the last two or three stages, even though a lot of people (myself included) had reservations about it as a logo.[03:51:08] *** ignacio <ignacio!ignacio@unaffiliated/ignacio> has quit IRC (Quit: network error)[03:51:20] *** ignacio <ignacio!ignacio@sunjammer.sugarlabs.org> has joined #haiku[03:51:20] *** ignacio <ignacio!ignacio@sunjammer.sugarlabs.org> has quit IRC (Changing host)[03:51:20] *** ignacio <ignacio!ignacio@unaffiliated/ignacio> has joined #haiku[03:51:24] * ohnx like this? https://blog.mozilla.org/opendesign/route-three-burst/[03:51:48] <FlyingJester> https://blog.mozilla.org/opendesign/files/2016/08/jb_Mozilla_all-routes-1400x990.jpg[03:51:56] <FlyingJester> That was some of the early stuff. I liked the top left one.[03:52:07] <FlyingJester> Yeah ohnx, that's it.[03:52:19] <Duggan> Blaxxun Contact..... Cybertown.... those were the days... back when the internet was a shiny new toy... not the whiney identity stealing leech it is today...[03:52:23] <jessicah> burst? seriously?! that would've been disastrous[03:52:24] <FlyingJester> Who doesn't love moire effects and logos without recognizable feature counts?[03:52:42] <ohnx> dino is cute! :p[03:52:42] <ohnx> https://blog.mozilla.org/opendesign/route-four-dino-2-0/[03:52:50] <_Dario> looking all the effort put in the logo... I'm just curious to know how many days took Henry Ford to choose the 'Ford' logo :-)[03:53:00] <FlyingJester> Jessicah: Exactly. A lot of the logos looked really...bad. Or at least just seriously unfinished.[03:53:16] <FlyingJester> Protocol (what they chose) is not so bad in comparison.[03:53:45] <FlyingJester> https://blog.mozilla.org/opendesign/files/2016/09/jb_Mozilla_TheEye_investigation-1024x724.jpg[03:53:50] <FlyingJester> That's the one I really wanted.[03:53:55] *** ignacio is now known as ohnx__[03:54:01] *** ohnx__ is now known as ignacio[03:54:32] <jessicah> hehe[03:54:35] <ohnx> yeah the dinosaur! :D[03:54:35] <FlyingJester> The top one, in particular. I like the combination of a font with attitude that still doesn't look silly, and the nod to the Mozilla Dinosaur.[03:55:07] <jessicah> bottom one with the eye style of the top one would've been better though[03:55:24] <Skipp_OSX> I just got Moz://a[03:55:30] <FlyingJester> Most of the other designs just seem to lack any real overall design, and would be way too complex for a recognizable logo.[03:55:40] <jessicah> yeah[03:56:32] <Skipp_OSX> I didn't realize it spelled Mozilla until now[03:56:59] <jessicah> really? :o[03:57:29] <jessicah> it seems pretty obvious to me[03:57:34] <FlyingJester> https://blog.mozilla.org/opendesign/nearly-there/ <- This is where I started to get unhappy, though. The graphs don't tell me the story they say they should, it looked to me like someone on the design team really liked Burst and wanted everyone else to just go with it.[03:58:02] <ohnx> i like the dino logo[03:58:09] <FlyingJester> Maybe next they will just call themselves "The Firefox Company" and be done with it :P[03:58:18] <FlyingJester> I could get behind that.[03:59:04] <Premislaus> Skipp_OSX https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13225[04:00:09] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, that is a really specific bug, why?[04:00:41] <Skipp_OSX> I can't deny it is a bug but why are you doing that?[04:02:32] <Premislaus> Skipp_OSX - for stressing. Today I cleaned my laptop and checked RAM with memtest, bacause - https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/10784 - In idle (only Vision is running) I got hot air from laptop fans.[04:02:42] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuporter] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuporter/compare/9230588255a6...1a454c4241ce[04:02:44] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuporter] fbrosson 1a454c4 - repository path: Append '-' + buildPlatform.targetArchitecture (#111)[04:03:32] <Premislaus> On the jessicah build I don't have Mesa (framebuffer driver), there is no rendering in GLTeapot, but when I start this app - my fans are howling.[04:04:01] <Premislaus> On Linux I had "cold" air.[04:05:20] <ohnx> lol PulkoMandy[04:05:34] <Premislaus> :)[04:05:40] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, could you try to save in single launch mode, then open in multi-launch mode? Would that help you stress test?[04:06:24] <Premislaus> Skipp_OSX - On my old config this patch helped a lot - https://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=cc586f1655b94c248be58ba1752b42bc39fbaf03 - We need proper powersaving.[04:06:26] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, if your video card is overheating in Haiku but not Linux that probably means that the Haiku driver for your card is no good[04:07:12] <Premislaus> Skipp_OSX multiple launch doesn't work anyway. Application types reverts it.[04:07:14] <Premislaus> I know[04:08:28] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, if you want it to work best person to fix it is you[04:09:20] <Skipp_OSX> I still want to see Haiku reference hardware with Haiku reference drivers to go with them[04:09:31] <Premislaus> Yeah, I know. Simply I must buy better computer for Haiku. Thinkpad or Dell XPS.[04:10:18] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, some model of Thinkpad is probably your best bet, it is the closest thing we have to reference hardware[04:12:31] <Premislaus> On that very cheap Samsung my fans runs in constant mode.[04:12:56] <Premislaus> I'm thinking abou old and used Thinkpad, for Coreboot.[04:13:03] <Premislaus> Core 2 Duo[04:13:30] <Skipp_OSX> yeah perfect[04:17:30] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[04:18:07] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[04:18:26] <Premislaus> I had KDL...[04:23:08] <Premislaus> Skipp_OSX Buying C2D is not easy - http://www.geek.com/images/geeknews/2006Jan/core_duo_errata__2006_01_21__full.gif - hardware bugs.[04:24:43] <Skipp_OSX> I don't understand what one has to do with the other[04:25:19] <Skipp_OSX> buying used hardware with Core 2 Duo chip is not hard, the Errata gets worked out in the OS we hope[04:26:06] <Skipp_OSX> I'm sure Linux has code for all that[04:27:06] <Premislaus> But Haiku probably not.[04:27:38] <Skipp_OSX> I'm not sure really[04:29:01] <ignacio> .seen waddlesplash[04:29:04] <ignacio> !seen waddlesplash[04:29:07] <ignacio> okay you don't have that here ;-;[04:31:17] <ohnx> nice job, ignacio[04:31:44] <ignacio> ohnx, :)[04:32:04] <ohnx> [11:51:25] + waddlesplash[04:32:23] <ohnx> this was on 1/17/2016[04:36:42] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[04:41:05] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-ziapwtzuyjqjhlas> has joined #haiku[04:44:40] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[04:50:43] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[05:01:38] <ohnx> hey jessicah[05:01:44] <ohnx> i made a way to exit the nyan cat bootloader :p[05:01:49] <ohnx> if you do the konami code[05:04:22] *** _Dario <_Dario!vision@181.46.220.162> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[05:21:19] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:22:59] <Skipp_OSX> what is the naan cat bootloader I'm afraid to ask[05:23:13] <ohnx> https://github.com/ohnx/nyan-load[05:24:07] <Skipp_OSX> ohnx: that is actually pretty cool[05:24:22] <ohnx> haha i need to get doublebuffering though[05:24:28] <ohnx> right now the rainbow flashes[05:29:58] *** joeyboi <joeyboi!49bce419@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.73.188.228.25> has joined #haiku[05:30:10] <joeyboi> wait[05:30:15] <joeyboi> is this place about haiku poems[05:30:26] <ohnx> no[05:30:31] <joeyboi> ffs[05:30:39] <joeyboi> where can i get some opinion on my poems[05:30:39] <ohnx> maybe #haikus? :p[05:30:42] <ohnx> this is about an os[05:30:43] <joeyboi> thanks[05:31:03] <ohnx> try ##poetry or something like that[05:31:07] *** joeyboi is now known as joeybois[05:31:56] *** joeybois <joeybois!49bce419@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.73.188.228.25> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[05:39:31] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@71-212-104-59.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[05:39:40] *** Guma <Guma!~Guma@c-73-211-254-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[05:48:32] * Duggan generally can't stand poetry...[05:50:50] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[05:52:09] <Duggan> there are two poems I quite like, however... https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/last.bug.html and http://ohyeahdevelopmentalbiology.tumblr.com/post/637793046/the-ballad-of-the-veliger-or-how-the-gastropod-got[06:06:42] <jessicah> lol, someone actually looking for a channel about poems?[06:26:04] <ohnx> yup[06:26:11] <ohnx> on freenode, too[06:30:04] *** [JJ]Albert_ <[JJ]Albert_!~Albert@2602:306:3bf2:b330:444a:6d27:f568:6814> has joined #haiku[06:31:29] *** [JJ]Albert <[JJ]Albert!~Albert@2602:306:3bf2:b330:444a:6d27:f568:6814> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[06:31:38] *** johnny_b <johnny_b!~johnny@193.6.128.171> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[06:32:10] *** johnny_b <johnny_b!~johnny@unaffiliated/johnny-b/x-2136417> has joined #haiku[06:32:37] <Duggan> jessicah yeah, I don't think I've ever seen that... I've seen curious people, but I don't think I've ever seen someone actually looking for an IRC channel about poems...[06:33:07] *** korli <korli!c299d9e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.153.217.230> has joined #haiku[06:38:35] *** punsith <punsith!44834d22@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.131.77.34> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[06:44:40] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-ziapwtzuyjqjhlas> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[06:45:27] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/e793b3b47855...0a321b7bbd58[06:45:28] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] miqlas 0a321b7 - lapack: new recipe (#1083)[06:51:50] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/0a321b7bbd58...87d1e85a9329[06:51:51] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson 87d1e85 - libwps: bump to 0.4.5, fix COPYRIGHT, add TEST. (#1077)[06:51:59] <bbjimmy> updated yab-IDE ... https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/pull/1088[06:57:16] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/87d1e85a9329...e2d354aa795b[06:57:17] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] bbjimmy e2d354a - yab_ide: bump version (#1088)[06:59:08] <korli> bbjimmy: the yab recipe shouldn't get a SECONDARY_ARCHITECTURES, or it misses $secondaryArchSuffix in a lot of places[06:59:41] <bbjimmy> ?[06:59:46] <korli> I added quotes to SOURCE_DIR for both recipes, I hope you don't mind :)[07:00:56] <bbjimmy> I doidn't change that.[07:02:01] <korli> line 15 of the yab recipe is SECONDARY_ARCHITECTURES defined[07:02:06] <korli> well you did https://github.com/bbjimmy/haikuports/commit/e130c856d85cda0cd36020d6a3893817d27a9d9b[07:03:02] <bbjimmy> I still don't understand the secondary archetectures usage for recipe files. It is not well documented.[07:04:35] <bbjimmy> the SOURCE_DIR I chantged, not the SECONDARY_ARCHITECTURES[07:04:47] <korli> ok[07:04:49] <bbjimmy> *changed[07:05:11] <korli> in the case of yab, I don't see how a secondary architecture fits too[07:05:46] <bbjimmy> yab can be build obn x8a_cgg2 and x86[07:06:01] <bbjimmy> *x86_gcc2[07:06:34] <korli> yab provides a runtime lib libyab, which theorically could be build for gcc5 on x86_gcc2[07:06:49] <bbjimmy> I don't have a 64bit system to trest on, but it should build there as well.[07:08:21] <korli> if you don't care, and no one needs it, I'd recommend to remove the SECONDARY_ARCHITECTURES line altogether[07:12:18] <bbjimmy> It makes my life easier to focus on gcc2, but I am making sure that yab can build on x86.[07:13:59] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslc-082-083-176-221.pools.arcor-ip.net> has joined #haiku[07:15:47] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/e2d354aa795b...3a05c019d195[07:15:48] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] miqlas 3a05c01 - mimetic: new recipe (#1087)[07:16:57] <korli> you didn't build the yab_x86 package for x86_gcc2?[07:28:57] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p4FD753E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[07:28:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[07:44:49] *** savant_d <savant_d!~savant@178.162.117.40> has joined #haiku[07:51:32] <bbjimmy> korli I don't know how[07:52:36] <bbjimmy> I can make an yab_x86 for x86[07:54:40] <bbjimmy> I can runb yab_x86 on gcc2, but the recipe to do I do not understand.[07:54:47] <bbjimmy> *run[07:56:18] <korli> bbjimmy: I'm just saying, if you don't need yab_x86 on gcc2, it's also OK. no need for headaches with SECONDARY_ARCHITECTURES.[07:56:49] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Eating pizza)[07:58:05] <bbjimmy> ok[07:59:11] <bbjimmy> When I started the recipe, they demanded the SECONDARY_ARCHITECTURES.[08:00:52] <bbjimmy> Witch nobody could explain how to use properly.[08:01:10] <bbjimmy> *Which[08:02:36] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[08:05:55] *** savant_d <savant_d!~savant@178.162.117.40> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[08:07:23] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[08:08:14] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslc-082-083-176-221.pools.arcor-ip.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[08:08:35] <scottmc> korli ever run into a port that was using bsdbuild configure instead of the gnu configure? agar is using the bsd one.[08:13:45] <korli> scottmc: I think not, but it could be one needs to omit a few options with --omit-dirs option of runConfigure[08:13:46] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-jfcxazffuegbyqbl> has joined #haiku[08:15:30] <scottmc> korli yeah i was thinking it might be some of the defined diretories, seeing that it's not detecting some of the libs, but the hpgs are being activated.[08:18:00] <scottmc> i'll likely hack on it some more tomorrow.[08:18:09] <korli> ah detection is unrelated to gnu configure usually, one needs to check the detection failure, could also be a bad gcc flag, which ends up with a failure[08:21:15] <scottmc> looks like bsdbuild is made by the same group that made agar, so might need to dig into bsdbuild while i'm at it.[08:30:04] *** plankton1zer is now known as planktonizer[08:43:49] *** raefaldhia <raefaldhia!b4fde2a6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.180.253.226.166> has joined #haiku[08:45:10] *** Drakevr <Drakevr!~null@unaffiliated/drakevr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[08:45:59] *** yosafbridge` <yosafbridge`!~yosafbrid@68.ip-149-56-14.net> has joined #haiku[08:46:41] *** plankton1zer <plankton1zer!~planktoni@dsl-trebrasgw1-54fa4b-76.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #haiku[08:46:45] *** rkbm <rkbm!~user1@kesto.de> has joined #haiku[08:47:26] *** Drakevr <Drakevr!~null@drakevr.gr> has joined #haiku[08:50:36] *** coup_de_shitlor- <coup_de_shitlor-!~coup_de_s@2604:a880:1:20::8b:6001> has joined #haiku[08:51:28] *** yosafbridge <yosafbridge!~yosafbrid@68.ip-149-56-14.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[08:51:29] *** coup_de_shitlord <coup_de_shitlord!~coup_de_s@irc.tox.im> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[08:51:29] *** rkbm_ <rkbm_!~user1@kesto.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[08:51:29] *** planktonizer <planktonizer!~planktoni@dsl-trebrasgw1-54fa4b-76.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[09:00:01] *** raefaldhia <raefaldhia!b4fde2a6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.180.253.226.166> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[09:13:02] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[09:20:48] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[09:21:24] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[09:23:45] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - 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http://algoristo.com/index.php?album=mobius2 ??[17:34:13] <humdinger> beautiful! closed source, I suppose...[17:35:33] <Premislaus> humdinger this is only algorithm and some code ;) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B6bius_transformation[17:36:08] <humdinger> heh. isn't everything?[17:36:44] <Premislaus> humdinger This is like Mandelbrot app[17:37:04] <Premislaus> my Web+ crashed again, I have folder for txt with segfaults ;)[17:37:42] <humdinger> yes. and compare our Mandelbrot app with the results of "professional" apps that people sell printouts from.[17:38:27] <humdinger> Premislaus just make sure not to attach duplicate crash reports. No need to deluge the devs...[17:41:59] <Premislaus> humdinger Right. I think there is enough tickets for Web+. Perhaps they cover all cases.[17:42:54] <humdinger> We could use an AI that sorts all the backtraces in Trac[17:43:16] <humdinger> Or at least a search function in Trac to go through attachments.[17:45:24] *** maxxcan <maxxcan!~maxxcan@84.124.194.183.dyn.user.ono.com> has joined #haiku[17:46:49] <Premislaus> humdinger http://i66.tinypic.com/okwum8.png Evry 9 minutes.[17:47:28] <humdinger> always the same crash?[17:47:41] <Premislaus> humdinger Mostly BLooper, WebCore, BMediaRoster[17:48:11] <Premislaus> and sometimes media addon server, after recent Dario commit[17:48:34] <humdinger> The Crashy Trinity[17:48:42] <Premislaus> :)[17:49:50] <Premislaus> I like Haiku. I get rid other software for smaller things ;).[17:50:13] <humdinger> web+ pretty much always crashes for me when quitting it.[17:52:22] <Premislaus> There will be beta after january?[17:52:51] <humdinger> the plan is to branch at the end of january, I think.[17:53:07] <humdinger> then it's a few weeks to fix and test stuff.[17:54:47] <Premislaus> I think fonts should be bigger, in default, I'm using 13 insted 12 for system, and 16 in Web+. Default is to small.[17:55:01] <Premislaus> I like new font rendering (Freetype 2.7 and Noto).[17:55:17] <Premislaus> I have 1366x768.[17:56:01] <humdinger> The rendering seems a bit off still... they appear vertically squashed.[17:56:33] <Premislaus> humdinger Do you have screen tearing MediaPlayer (Full Screen)?[17:56:33] <humdinger> I got used to it though. 1920x1080 here.[17:56:41] <Premislaus> *in[17:56:53] <humdinger> I never do that, but I'm sure I do...[17:57:00] <humdinger> in window mode too.[17:57:29] <humdinger> there's no vertical-blank synchro drawing.[17:57:42] <humdinger> If I understand it correctly[17:58:16] <Premislaus> humdinger On Linux I had screen tearing in XFCE (no opengl compositing in default).[17:58:45] <Premislaus> humdinger "no vertical-blank synchro drawing" this doesn't work on Linux.[17:59:26] <Premislaus> I enabled it in XFCE and nothing - user must to install Compton.[17:59:58] <humdinger> I'm not very familiar with Linux...[17:59:58] <Premislaus> I think this will not be working in Haiku too.[18:00:12] <Premislaus> Me too ;).[18:00:26] *** maxxcan <maxxcan!~maxxcan@84.124.194.183.dyn.user.ono.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[18:00:33] <humdinger> It should. if the driver draws offscreen and in the VB switches display, it should work.[18:00:46] <humdinger> that said, I don't know much about vide and drivers, so...[18:01:47] <Barrett> so Premislaus I'm trying to flood the media_addon_server with youtube videos[18:01:51] <Premislaus> I'm using Linux for one month. Currently I have KDE (Plasma5).[18:01:53] <Barrett> something like 5 hours of music[18:02:00] <Barrett> let's see if I can reproduce that issue[18:02:13] <Premislaus> humdinger https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3mycep/is_screen_tearing_a_default_feature_in_xfce_and/[18:02:20] <Premislaus> Barrett Thank you :).[18:02:25] <Barrett> main problem for me is that I'm not mandrake and it's difficult to solve bug without being able to reproduce[18:02:28] <humdinger> I'll read later.[18:02:30] <humdinger> now food.[18:02:34] * humdinger is idle: dinner[18:02:34] <Barrett> especially such kind of heisenbugs[18:03:05] <Premislaus> humdinger Where is you old nick for this purpose - humdinger_dinner :>?[18:03:32] <ohnx> nick changing spam can be annoying :>[18:05:19] <Premislaus> Barrett I had several other webpages opened, I think... Maybe some advert triggered it?[18:05:48] <Premislaus> I clicked on YouTube and boom.[18:06:02] <Premislaus> *clicked link with video[18:08:24] <Barrett> not sure, could be[18:08:40] <Barrett> but the audio driver shouldn't mess around[18:09:03] <Barrett> in the meantime web+ just freezed my vm[18:10:20] <Premislaus> Barrett I'm trying to reproduce it, but there is many crashes.[18:11:45] <Premislaus> Barrett BTW You don't have Haiku on bare metal?[18:11:56] <Barrett> of course[18:12:18] <Barrett> but in the latest years my usage as main system decreased exponentially[18:12:24] <Barrett> so that I prefer to develop in vm[18:12:36] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslc-082-083-176-221.pools.arcor-ip.net> has joined #haiku[18:12:37] <Barrett> and generally testing in vm[18:13:39] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-rvszueoouoozvwdk> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[18:19:01] <Premislaus> Barrett I remember, I had runing: MilkyTracker, Vision, Web+ with several pages (espescially with youtube).[18:21:16] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)[18:27:01] *** ppisati_ <ppisati_!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:27:27] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[18:28:41] <Barrett> I wonder why PubblishTime isn't locked really[18:37:44] *** ppisati <ppisati!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has joined #haiku[18:38:06] *** wesbl <wesbl!~circuser-@host196-128-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #haiku[18:40:13] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@74.51.208.130> has joined #haiku[18:40:15] <Premislaus> Barrett What is PublishTime?[18:43:04] <Barrett> Premislaus, internal media_kit stuff[18:44:15] <Premislaus> ahh[18:44:31] <Premislaus> I don't know how to load timgmsoundfont to MilkyTracker...[18:44:50] * humdinger has returned[18:45:10] <humdinger> Premislaus: does MilkyTracker do MIDI?[18:46:43] <Barrett> Premislaus, can you test a patch eventually?[18:47:21] <Premislaus> humdinger I dont't know. I need some samples, but I thinked that... Never mind.[18:47:39] <Premislaus> Barrett With instruction how to complie - Yes :).[18:48:09] <humdinger> Premislaus: soundfonts are MIDI only. yu can check out http://99sounds.org/[18:48:38] <humdinger> at least for drums[18:48:43] <Premislaus> humdinger thanks[18:48:46] <humdinger> dunno about other instruments[18:48:53] <Barrett> bha soundfonts sounds like 8 bit music[18:49:18] <Barrett> I'm looking forward to have a sampler[18:49:19] <humdinger> 1) that's not necessaril bad. 2) not true :?[18:49:34] <humdinger> There are at least a few nice pianos around[18:49:46] <Barrett> nice to do some fun[18:49:52] <Barrett> but if you want to take music seriously...[18:50:13] <humdinger> Then i get a Steinberg...[18:50:20] <miqlas> Barrett: i got an OP-1, pretty good[18:50:23] <humdinger> and probably not MilkyTracker under Haiku :)[18:50:25] *** wesbl <wesbl!~circuser-@host196-128-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:50:46] *** wesbl <wesbl!~wesbl@host196-128-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #haiku[18:50:54] <Barrett> it depends, for example I love AMSynth[18:51:15] <Barrett> with a decent mixer after it can really play like vintage synths[18:51:31] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-100-216.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[18:52:03] <Barrett> miqlas, ?[18:52:14] <miqlas> Barrett: ?[18:52:20] <Barrett> I don't understand whay you said[18:52:26] <Barrett> ah an OP-1[18:52:33] <Barrett> lol I read it like OP minus one[18:52:39] <Barrett> too much programming[18:53:06] <miqlas> Barrett: : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umatbZ0n4mE[18:53:13] *** js <js!~js@ip-95-222-169-90.hsi15.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[18:57:00] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p5DE538B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[18:57:03] <Barrett> miqlas, cool :-)[18:57:49] <Barrett> but I'm still looking forward to get a weighted keys keyboard[18:58:45] <Barrett> this looks more like a sequencer : )[19:00:12] *** wesbl_ <wesbl_!~wesbl@host196-128-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #haiku[19:00:39] *** wesbl <wesbl!~wesbl@host196-128-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[19:01:02] <Barrett> well if someone has a dusty 90s korg with weighted keys in the garage, it'd be a cool donation :-D[19:01:18] <Barrett> but anyone owning something like that, hardly sells it[19:05:25] <Barrett> Premislaus, are you on gcc2h right?[19:08:55] <Premislaus> x86_64[19:09:05] <Premislaus> Build from jessicah[19:10:12] <Barrett> ok[19:10:53] *** savant_d <savant_d!~savant@178.162.117.40> has joined #haiku[19:10:56] *** prOSy_n8Ly <prOSy_n8Ly!~prOSy@p5B087CA2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[19:10:59] <prOSy_n8Ly> hi[19:11:38] <Premislaus> Barrett I don't have free space. I'm on flash stick - https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13216[19:12:17] <Premislaus> Barrett 352.26 MiB is enough?[19:12:30] <Barrett> doesn't look something that can be affected by space[19:12:46] <Premislaus> Barrett for compiling Haiku with your patch.[19:12:52] <Barrett> ah ok[19:13:01] <Barrett> I think you need 1GB or so[19:13:36] <Barrett> but I can send you a compiled libmedia that you can put into non-packaged to test[19:13:44] <Barrett> your choice[19:14:07] <Premislaus> ok[19:14:22] <Premislaus> Barrett premislaus1988 at gmail dot com[19:15:13] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@173-14-248-42-washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #haiku[19:15:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[19:19:46] <Premislaus> Hmm Web+ has some problems with gmail, and e-mail app just crashed.[19:20:22] <humdinger> for me web+ freezes at gmail for 30 secs, then works.[19:20:39] <humdinger> I usually use QupZilla for gmail though[19:21:13] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[19:21:22] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@74.51.208.130> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[19:24:09] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[19:24:47] <Premislaus> humdinger I have crashreport for maildeamon (IMAP). Put it on Trac?[19:24:48] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] scottmc pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/c6200514fcb6...b580b49fea88[19:24:50] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] scottmc b580b49 - Remove old agar recipe, add WIP agar-1.5.0 (#1089)[19:25:19] <humdinger> Premislaus: sure. if there's not one for that kind of crash already.[19:25:37] <Premislaus> https://dev.haiku-os.org/query?status=assigned&status=in-progress&status=new&status=reopened&component=%5EPreferences%2FMail&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=owner&col=type&col=priority&col=milestone&order=priority[19:25:46] <Premislaus> I do not see.[19:27:06] <Premislaus> I set pop3.[19:27:17] <humdinger> Premislaus: is it the prefs panel crashing?[19:27:24] <Premislaus> without apop, only plain text.[19:27:28] <Premislaus> Yes.[19:27:46] *** petrichorx_ <petrichorx_!uid147077@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gmviivvpycwchzjf> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[19:27:50] <humdinger> well then, go ahead :)[19:28:38] <Premislaus> humdinger http://pastebin.com/RdDYTKga[19:31:09] <humdinger> Premislaus: I'm not sure, but I'd say that's rather a "servers/mail_daemon" caegory.[19:32:41] <Premislaus> humdinger in App/Maill there is plenty of tickets. Sorry Web+ do not show full URLs for copy-paste.[19:33:06] <Premislaus> hmm "premislaus1988 at gmail dot com Error while authenticating user premislaus1988 at gmail dot com. The server said: -ERR [AUTH] Web login required: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/78754 [Fri Jan 20 19:31:22 2017]"[19:33:57] <humdinger> Premislaus: but those onl deal with the Mail app.[19:35:09] <Premislaus> btw gmail do not suppor pop3?[19:36:04] <humdinger> I see pop in the settings of the webinterface of gmail.[19:36:27] *** Sparky <Sparky!~vision@c-73-14-172-37.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[19:38:38] *** Sparky <Sparky!~vision@c-73-14-172-37.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:38:58] *** lsitongia <lsitongia!~vision@c-73-14-172-37.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[19:39:37] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[19:39:43] <Vidrep> Hi[19:40:14] <Premislaus> humdinger https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13228[19:40:18] <humdinger> hey Vidrep[19:40:43] <Vidrep> Since I'm on a printer test thing the past week or so, I noticed that Gutenprint released version 5.2.12 today[19:40:47] *** hecliunyx <hecliunyx!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[19:40:56] <Vidrep> hint, hint[19:41:01] <Vidrep> Hi humdinger[19:41:50] <Vidrep> https://sourceforge.net/projects/gimp-print/files/gutenprint-5.2/5.2.12/[19:42:34] *** wesbl_ is now known as wesbl[19:43:04] <Vidrep> I'm finding that Haiku printer support seems to be fairly good across brands tested (HP, Canon, Epson)[19:43:55] <humdinger> Vidrep: just had a quick look. the patch doesn't apply cleanly to gutenprint anymore.[19:44:30] <Vidrep> Scanner support is only working with Epson. Using SANE on Linux, it works with Canon and HP.[19:45:02] <Vidrep> So, it that a problem with libusb, Haiku or our port of SANE?[19:45:58] <humdinger> who knows? :)[19:48:23] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[19:50:31] *** hecliunyx <hecliunyx!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org> has joined #haiku[19:50:43] <Vidrep> I'd like to install another Linux distribution on that partition (currently Ubuntu), and use the exact same revision(s) of libusb, SANE and Gutenprint, so we can compare[19:51:23] <humdinger> gold star for effort, I say![19:52:16] <Vidrep> Nobody else seems seems interested in making multifunction printer support better, so I'll do the leg work myself[19:52:59] <Vidrep> I can only provide data, but can't do anything about code[19:54:21] <Vidrep> humdinger, any chance that the Gutenprint patch can be modified to work anytime soon?[19:54:46] <humdinger> probably. I'm looking into it.[19:54:51] <Vidrep> Thanks![19:58:08] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-89-0-232-195.netcologne.de> has joined #haiku[19:58:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jua_[20:00:07] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host)[20:00:33] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[20:04:09] *** js <js!~js@ip-95-222-169-90.hsi15.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #haiku[20:04:09] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o js[20:09:57] <humdinger> Vidrep: bad news. though I could adapt the existing patch so it applies, I get a build error...[20:10:29] <humdinger> http://sprunge.us/cSjQ[20:11:52] <humdinger> I guess, I can push the new recipe and patchset and mark as failing to build. maybe someone else can fix the error[20:13:34] <Vidrep> Where's the recipe guru? waddlesplash :D[20:14:20] <humdinger> nothing to do with recipes. more a coding issue.[20:14:46] <Vidrep> Until then I'll continue with the current revision - no choice[20:14:52] <Vidrep> Thanks humdinger[20:15:03] <humdinger> builds with x86 apparently[20:15:19] <Vidrep> how about x86_64?[20:15:36] <humdinger> I'd have to reboot to build for that.[20:17:06] <Vidrep> You know, I don't need to have 7 printers. I'm only doing this for the sake of the project.[20:17:14] <Premislaus> https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/926072-chrome-further-optimizes-its-openh264-encoder-with-more-assembly-x86?p=926085#post926085 - interesting opinion. Web+ reuses system components for decoding media? On Linux I don't had video acceleration in Firefox, but had in normaln Media Players.[20:18:59] <humdinger> Vidrep: appreciated.[20:19:10] * humdinger boots nto 64bitsers[20:19:13] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04d9e1.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[20:20:48] *** wesbl <wesbl!~wesbl@host196-128-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:21:15] *** wesbl <wesbl!~wesbl@host196-128-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #haiku[20:25:26] *** pdziepak <pdziepak!~pdziepak@88.98.223.225> has joined #haiku[20:25:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o pdziepak[20:25:33] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04d9e1.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[20:25:46] <humdinger> gutenprint builds with 64bit too.[20:25:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[20:25:48] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has quit IRC ()[20:28:09] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-100-216.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[20:28:15] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/b580b49fea88...bca353cc61b5[20:28:16] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb bca353c - Gutenberg: update to 5.2.12[20:28:34] *** xemdetia_ is now known as xemdetia[20:29:52] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p4FD753E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: stippi)[20:30:10] <Vidrep> Shouldn't that be Gutenprint and not Gutenberg???[20:30:24] <humdinger> erm...[20:30:27] * humdinger blushes[20:30:30] <Vidrep> humdinger is printing Bibles :)[20:30:32] <humdinger> too late now[20:30:55] <humdinger> they smolder on touch...[20:31:00] <humdinger> get thee behind me[20:31:46] <Vidrep> humdinger, is diversys and Diver the same person?[20:32:00] <humdinger> yes.[20:32:07] <Vidrep> ...and Diver_[20:32:29] <Vidrep> sheesh...to many nicks to be sure of anyone[20:32:34] <humdinger> split personality disorder.... cruel.[20:34:04] <Vidrep> I'm curious why Haiku port of libusb/SANE chokes on Canon scanners, while Linux works perfectly[20:34:33] <humdinger> You go find out, I retire...[20:34:44] <humdinger> cu ... soon...[20:35:01] <Vidrep> The Canon scanner is detected (the popup appears in the deskbar), then it freezes[20:35:11] <Vidrep> OK, later...[20:35:18] * humdinger waves[20:35:20] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04d9e1.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[20:41:55] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~vision@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[20:43:37] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: possibly missing bits in the USB stack[20:48:30] <Vidrep> PukloMandy, I'd like to get some data, if possible. Can you suggest a course of action?[20:50:03] <Vidrep> You have my email address already. I'd be happy to dig into the issue, if you want to provide steps to take.[20:50:19] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[20:52:14] <PulkoMandy> I would say attach Debugger to the frozen app, pause all threads, and then save a debug report, this could give some hints[20:52:32] <PulkoMandy> as well as a listusb -v of the scanner device (assuming it is usb)[20:55:58] <Premislaus> I thin we have another prosperous developer - https://dev.haiku-os.org/attachment/ticket/12328/0001-Sync-atheros813x-with-FreeBSD-11-with-extra-pci-ids.patch[20:56:04] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: barrett * hrev50886 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=19da5e15c33f+%5E534a53764087[20:56:05] <HAIKU-irker458> 0563e540b04f: MediaClient: Remove operator overloding from private class[20:56:06] <HAIKU-irker458> 19da5e15c33f: MultiAudioNode: Fix and polish output locking issues[20:56:18] <Barrett> so Premislaus that might help, please update[20:56:36] <Barrett> I have more to do though, let me know if you can reproduce it[20:56:36] <Premislaus> Barrett: OK. Thank you very much :).[20:56:47] <Barrett> this was a general review not targeted to the specific issue[20:56:55] <Barrett> I need to evaluate locking the time operations[20:56:58] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qiehlfxxmwhowdhn> has joined #haiku[20:56:58] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[20:57:50] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, I have attached some of that info already in closed issue #12: https://github.com/diversys/sanity[20:58:17] <bbjimmy> updated yab-IDE... http://fatelk.com/repo/packages/yab_ide-2.2.7-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg[20:59:04] <Premislaus> For many hours there is a new build?[20:59:38] <Barrett> Premislaus, should not take long[20:59:45] <Barrett> 30/60 mins or so[21:00:21] <Premislaus> ok[21:02:16] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@74.51.208.130> has joined #haiku[21:08:44] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3379 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2 is complete: Failure [failed jam @minimum-raw] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2/builds/3379 blamelist: Dario Casalinuovo <b.vitruvio at gmail dot com>[21:09:54] <Barrett> !notme[21:10:31] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, there's also some more information in trac ticket: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13224[21:10:56] <Vidrep> I'll leave it at that for now. Thanks[21:11:39] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: the -v switch to listusb is important[21:11:48] <PulkoMandy> listusb -v /dev/bus/usb/6/2[21:11:56] <PulkoMandy> it will show much more details about the device[21:12:22] *** hecliunyx <hecliunyx!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[21:20:10] *** hecliunyx <hecliunyx!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org> has joined #haiku[21:20:22] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, do you want me to attach that output to the trac ticket #13224?[21:20:34] <PulkoMandy> yes, could be useful[21:20:50] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@74.51.208.130> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[21:23:01] <bbjimmy> The haikudepot server does not seem to be updating to the latest files on FatElk.[21:25:16] <bbjimmy> Is there a problem with the server or has there been a change for 3rd party repos that I am not aware of?[21:26:00] *** hecliunyx <hecliunyx!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[21:26:31] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, originally the ticket was for HP scanners. However I can do a listusb -v for each of the undetected HP units and the two Canon units which cause a freeze.[21:30:08] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: I'd say separate undetected from freeze, they are likely to be different issues?[21:31:20] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, I've attached the two listusb for the freezing Canon units[21:34:42] *** hecliunyx <hecliunyx!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org> has joined #haiku[21:37:27] <bbjimmy> haiku-os.org seems to be going about as fast as a snail.[21:37:44] <bbjimmy> or slower[21:38:46] <waddlesplash> bbjimmy: we're about to flip the switch to the new site[21:38:58] <waddlesplash> which is fast as a rocket. :)[21:39:33] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, both HP attached as well[21:40:11] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, if more is needed, let me know. Thanks![21:40:15] <bbjimmy> is that why the Haiku Depot Server is so slow and not updating?[21:40:51] <waddlesplash> bbjimmy: oh, that's a separate issue :([21:41:27] <bbjimmy> Hmm :/[21:43:35] <bbjimmy> Gotta love the internet. It seems to break right when one starts to think it is a stable, reliable technology.[21:44:56] <bbjimmy> Too many moving parts, not enough oil.[21:46:19] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@74.51.208.130> has joined #haiku[21:49:07] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@74.51.208.130> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:50:02] *** ninjabit <ninjabit!~bit@145.red-95-124-147.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has joined #haiku[22:03:54] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-100-216.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[22:07:31] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-100-216.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:11:55] *** circ-user <circ-user!~IceChat9@ip-83-134-126-14.dsl.scarlet.be> has joined #haiku[22:19:11] <mikedld> haiku-os.org loads but www.haiku-os.org doesn't, is that expected?..[22:19:53] <Premislaus> https://www.haiku-os.org/ is down.[22:20:03] <Premislaus> mikedld: DNS error for me.[22:20:10] <waddlesplash> we're in the middle of a migration[22:20:25] <circ-user> Hi, i compiled ReadBFSWindows using MinGW and also old Borland C++, changed ntdll to dynamic linking but it still not working - static variables initialization makes crash.. seen the code it was something like thunderstruck, it impossilbe to work.. Axel work 10 years ago, wtf!?! so i made decission get fresh haiku code, add additional function and[22:20:26] <circ-user> tried to compile but you know what? after a couple hours, i made decision to get Linux code for BeFS driver and there is a big difference it's readable, it's nice, it's.. haiku code is so UGLY, it's so.. it just like this whole system visually and stability now, far from being perfect.. i wanted to know it better but at beginning im just want to th[22:20:26] <circ-user> row it away.. change everything, but as we all know it's impossible.. lot of duplicated structures, inconsistent.. uh.. haiku, probaby back to old simpler version.. why it's such a mess!?! why![22:20:27] <waddlesplash> so, a brief service interruption is expected[22:20:47] <Premislaus> waddlesplash: And in the end of path is some kind of light?[22:20:57] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: oh yes[22:21:13] <waddlesplash> the new site is static, not PHP based, and served from a global CDN[22:21:22] <Premislaus> Hugo?[22:21:29] <waddlesplash> plus it uses responsive design so it'll look good on phones[22:21:30] <waddlesplash> yep[22:21:55] <waddlesplash> circ-user: what's such a mess? Haiku code is?[22:22:35] <Premislaus> waddlesplash: Hugo from the BeOS past - http://www.generalcoffee.com/hugo/gethugo.html[22:23:01] <kallisti5> known outage[22:23:16] <kallisti5> I removed the A record for www.haiku-os.org and added a CNAME for it[22:23:26] <kallisti5> Namecheap removed the A record... and didn't add the CNAME[22:23:27] <kallisti5> ...[22:23:33] <kallisti5> waiting on their support[22:23:51] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: ooohhhh[22:24:02] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: DNS checker shows some propagations now[22:24:12] <waddlesplash> 3/20 or whatever[22:24:20] <kallisti5> lord.[22:24:28] <kallisti5> yup.. there it is[22:24:58] <waddlesplash> and now we play the waiting game[22:26:43] *** ignacio <ignacio!ignacio@unaffiliated/ignacio> has quit IRC (Changing host)[22:26:43] *** ignacio <ignacio!ignacio@fedora/sugar/ignacio> has joined #haiku[22:27:37] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: barrett * hrev50887 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=a8e8f7ba4328+%5E19da5e15c33f[22:27:38] <HAIKU-irker458> a8e8f7ba4328: Revert "MultiAudioNode: Fix and polish output locking issues"[22:27:59] <waddlesplash> ignacio: will look at that stuff soon[22:28:09] <ignacio> thanks[22:28:50] <waddlesplash> next few hours or so[22:36:15] <circ-user> @waddespash - my opinion, uses lot of "utility" functions and structures, lot of duplicates, weird includes, weird places, names, it's very very hard to understand how it works, plus i saw couple libraries are ports for example windows ffmpeg added "compatbility layers" - same as author of ReadBFSWindows made to make it compilable on WIndows withou[22:36:16] <circ-user> t haiku kernel, this construction is very inconsistent(my opinion) if you see linux, lot of structures are common from main kernel, in haiku "compat layers" + old compiler, i want to see modern code, C++ std etc. not doublelinkedlist or something made specially for this and some other for other lib, i have problem wit understanding for names and lo[22:36:16] <circ-user> cation of libraries and headers.. i compared couple filesystem "drivers' each differs.. it's easier to understand linux code plus it's simpler than haiku code, when you make such structure you can easly make mistake.. bugs..[22:37:23] <waddlesplash> circ-user: actually our driver works better than Linux bfs last I checked[22:37:48] *** ignacio <ignacio!ignacio@fedora/sugar/ignacio> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.6.3+deb1 - http://znc.in)[22:37:52] <waddlesplash> and those structures are either for performance or because the standard ones make assumptions which may not be the case in the kernel so are not usable[22:38:00] *** ignacio <ignacio!ignacio@sunjammer.sugarlabs.org> has joined #haiku[22:38:00] <waddlesplash> or other miscellaneous reasona[22:38:00] *** ignacio <ignacio!ignacio@sunjammer.sugarlabs.org> has quit IRC (Changing host)[22:38:00] *** ignacio <ignacio!ignacio@fedora/sugar/ignacio> has joined #haiku[22:38:43] <waddlesplash> generally, though, most of your assumptions about structure and whatnot are just not true[22:40:52] <circ-user> plus - i saw that @2001r code was Copyrighted to some guy (author), couple years later only Alex.. !? wait a minute MIT is not "public license"!?[22:42:03] <waddlesplash> what do you mean?[22:42:12] <waddlesplash> all the code we wrote is MIT[22:42:50] <Skipp_OSX> He is saying that there was code that was copyright somebody else, then later it was changed to just copyright Axel[22:42:55] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: mikedld: all fixed and online as the new site now[22:43:09] <mikedld> thanks waddlesplash ;)[22:43:11] <Skipp_OSX> However, I don't believe him, I don't believe Axel would do such a thing[22:44:04] *** amused is now known as maybe[22:45:13] *** ninjabit <ninjabit!~bit@145.red-95-124-147.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Saliendo)[22:46:14] <circ-user> @waddlesplash - ok, but make one, not coupe of them, why to dupicate names for typedef AutoLock!?! tuned versions.. performance for Haiku, yeah it's most important!?! you know because game 4k wont run 60fps.. in sum: i see that haiku code is more complicated that i suspected, now i know why there are still so many bugs[22:46:54] <waddlesplash> what does this have to do with 4K gamss[22:47:22] <waddlesplash> 3D on haiku is slow because there is no hardware acceleration as of yet[22:47:40] <waddlesplash> and for the record, Haiku is actually faster than Linux and uses fewer resources by a lot[22:47:55] <waddlesplash> we just can't do everything Linux can yet[22:48:48] <circ-user> @waddlesplash "faster than linux" blablabla, faster because there is almost nothing usable inside! did you tried SLAX? probably no[22:49:47] <waddlesplash> circ-user: "Latest release 3 years ago"[22:50:02] *** maybe is now known as amused[22:52:02] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3380 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2/builds/3380[22:52:05] <Premislaus> circ-user: Haiku is not faster than Windows or Linux, because you can't beat the zillions of dollars and support from evrywhere. I have two laptops, one with Windows 10 and second with openSUSE Tumbleweed and Haiku on a flashstick.[22:52:57] <Premislaus> circ-user: I have problems with drivers on Windows (old AMD driver) and with freezing of Plasma under Linux - from time to time - https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1018976[22:53:56] <Premislaus> circ-user: But I like boot in 10 seconds after KDL instead of 1 minute after Plasma5 crash or deadlock, or something.[22:54:56] <Premislaus> circ-user: Another thing is one library to rule them all. I have comparision with GUI reaction on Plasma and app_server.[22:55:31] <Premislaus> circ-user: Do you read Haiku documentation and coding guidelines?[22:56:50] <Vidrep> I have Haiku and Ubuntu Linux installed on the same PC. Haiku apps launch much faster, as well as booting to desktop.[22:57:43] <Vidrep> Consider that Haiku has but a handful of part time developers compared to thousands for Linux[22:57:54] <Premislaus> circ-user: Another thing I have very big pr0n database. Here I have features to manage this for fast search - attributes.[22:58:22] <mikedld> I'm sorry, what's wrong with AutoLocker again?..[22:58:50] <waddlesplash> mikedld: nothing, it's very good[22:58:50] <mikedld> 'cause I don't see any...[22:58:58] <mikedld> waddlesplash: right :)[22:59:13] <Vidrep> Haiku is lucky to raise $10,000 to cover expenses. Ubuntu and other Linux distributions have in many cases corporate support.[23:02:26] <mikedld> now. I've reported an issue with lseek a while back. how do I debug it myself (seeing that no one else didn't have time yet)? I see that I could run kernel debugger but is there an easier way than to learn how it works? like the ability to step into kernel using Debugger app or something?[23:03:10] <mikedld> looking through the code everything looks fine for the most part[23:03:36] <Premislaus> circ-user: Haiku is written by a small team, and one guy sometimes writes the whole component. For example kernel is made initially by Travis Geiselbracht, then by Ingo Weinhold. pdziepak wrote new scheduler.[23:03:49] <circ-user> Vidrep - Windows millenium also boots very fast, Windows 95 even faster.. hey, OS2, Windowds 3.11 boot's couple seconds, hey... quality of web browser is comparable! there is lot of services in haiku.. such as multiuser, dde, file sharing, network sharing, performance analyser, dde, vss, RDP etc. lot of usable services.. why you want to compare?![23:04:31] <Premislaus> circ-user: Patches welcome.[23:05:21] <waddlesplash> circ-user: Win 95 browser can't play YouTube. :p[23:06:48] <Premislaus> waddlesplash: haiku-os.org dosen't work :>[23:07:36] <Premislaus> works[23:07:37] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: works here. DNS changes are still propagating[23:07:55] <waddlesplash> depending on your DNS provider it might take a few hours :([23:08:14] <waddlesplash> you can try using something like Google DNS or whatever[23:08:26] <Premislaus> waddlesplash: Can you reset my forum account?[23:08:30] <circ-user> @Premislaus "patches welcome" - how to make patch for "software architect" who is responsible? Who plays Haiku's Linus Torvalds role?[23:08:50] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: reset?[23:08:50] <Premislaus> circ-user: This is meritocracy.[23:09:00] <Premislaus> waddlesplash: I can't log.[23:09:13] <mikedld> circ-user: are you sending all your patches to Linus? :))[23:09:26] <Premislaus> waddlesplash: I forgot my password do not send e-mails[23:09:29] <waddlesplash> circ-user: we have no ego-fueled all powerful dictator[23:09:39] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: pm me your email[23:10:11] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: er wait i can check myself[23:10:41] <Premislaus> circ-user: You must write patch and add it on Trac. After some patches there is a votting on mailing list for commit access for new developer.[23:10:46] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: looks OK. are you trying to log into Drupal? you found the new forums right?[23:10:59] <Premislaus> waddlesplash: I'm trying on Discuss[23:11:11] <waddlesplash> OK. discourse says no bounces[23:11:12] <Premislaus> waddlesplash: I can log on mainpage, but there is rean only mode.[23:11:24] <Premislaus> *read only[23:11:31] <waddlesplash> yes of course[23:11:51] <waddlesplash> check Gmail spambox?[23:12:04] <Premislaus> nothing[23:12:42] <waddlesplash> OK I'm looking[23:14:12] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: Discuss says your email is <name> at gmail dot com[23:14:35] <Premislaus> premislaus1988 at gmail dot com[23:14:41] <waddlesplash> yes that[23:14:54] <waddlesplash> your username is Premislaus and your name is that and so is your email[23:15:16] <waddlesplash> it also says it last emailed you 7m ago[23:15:22] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@modemcable045.253-175-137.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[23:15:37] *** circ-user <circ-user!~IceChat9@ip-83-134-126-14.dsl.scarlet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: If you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of other people.)[23:15:42] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:15:50] <Premislaus> waddlesplash: I don't know.[23:15:51] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@modemcable045.253-175-137.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:16:11] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:16:58] <Premislaus> waddlesplash: I can get e-mail from the mainpage. Yesterday I tried[23:17:17] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: nothing in trash or spam at all? no filters?[23:17:34] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: I just tried a manual reset and it said it sent another email[23:17:52] <waddlesplash> still no emails bounced it says[23:17:56] <Premislaus> waddlesplash: nothing, I have defulat gmail account[23:18:24] <waddlesplash> OK. try emailing me - <username> at gmail dot com[23:20:05] <Premislaus> I send e-mail to you with Test in subject.[23:20:11] <waddlesplash> ok[23:20:27] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: you are using Gmail web interface correct?[23:20:32] <Premislaus> yes[23:20:37] * PulkoMandy notice people around here are still feeding the trolls[23:21:53] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: OK I got that[23:22:15] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: ^ can you look at this pls? I have no idea what's going on[23:22:27] <waddlesplash> also I need to go to dinner. bbl[23:22:36] <Premislaus> thanks :)[23:26:05] * Skipp_OSX munch munch munch[23:30:18] <Premislaus> BTW abou browsers under Haiku. QupZilla is good only for gmail acces, youtube dosen't work or beta.speedtest.net. Web+ on the beta.speedtest.net has problems with download (maybe some misinformation). Under Web+ I had 25 mbit/s instead 100-110, but ping and upload are good.[23:30:22] <Premislaus> *about[23:31:16] <Premislaus> QupZilla has bad gui integration and is laggy.[23:32:57] <Premislaus> Is pity that there is no NetSurf for x86_64.[23:34:32] *** Nycatelos <Nycatelos!~Nycatelos@unaffiliated/illusional> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[23:35:49] <Vidrep> I was just looking on the libusb website. It appears that libusb 1.0.21 was released on Jan. 9. Current Haiku version is 1.0.20[23:36:33] <Vidrep> https://sourceforge.net/projects/libusb/files/libusb-1.0/[23:39:27] *** Barrett_ <Barrett_!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[23:39:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett_[23:41:00] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[23:41:36] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:42:49] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!xemdetia@nat/ibm/x-vzpqddtqniazxtjq> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[23:48:27] <mikedld> interestingly enough, tests for the very behavior I expect are commented out... :([23:48:28] <mikedld> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/tests/kits/storage/FileTest.cpp#n530[23:52:36] *** Nycatelos <Nycatelos!~Nycatelos@unaffiliated/illusional> has joined #haiku