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[00:07:29] <miqlas> owenca: is it actually implemented?
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[00:23:18] <owenca> miqlas i don't know
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[00:23:53] <owenca> what's the best way to move files between host and haiku vm?
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[00:24:48] <miqlas> usb, ftp, sshfs
[00:25:04] <miqlas> nfs!
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[00:40:54] <ohnx> scp? maybe
[00:41:03] <ohnx> depends on how your network is set upo
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[01:03:30] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 2ad46a0 - community/getting-involved: Fix some more broken links.
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[01:19:38] <Vidrep> I'm having a problem with Haiku locking up after detecting an attached scanner
[01:20:06] <Vidrep> Attaching the debugger to Sanity brings up an error message...
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[01:21:38] <Vidrep> "The debug information file 'libjpeg.so.9.2(jpeg-9b-2).debuginfo' for image 'boot/system/lib/libjpeg.so.9.2.0' is missing.
[01:21:57] <Vidrep> Would you like to locate the file manually?
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[03:52:37] <Premislaus> Duggan: Do you sleep?
[03:53:25] <ohnx> Duggan is a coding robot
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[05:52:42] <Duggan> hey Premislaus
[05:58:44] <Premislaus> :)
[05:58:58] <Premislaus> Hey Duggan
[06:07:00] <Duggan> hah neat
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[07:31:23] <Diver> I think it caused kernel panic or something?
[07:32:44] <Diver> the easiest way to transfer files is using scp/sshfs
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[07:53:01] <owenca> Diver ok i will try it thx
[07:57:38] <owenca> Diver why vboxsf is disabled? can it be enabled?
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[07:58:43] <owenca> Diver nvm
[08:02:23] <owenca> now i remember i tried it before but didn't work
[08:03:03] <owenca> the ip address shown by haiku was bogus or something
[08:05:56] <owenca> Preferences>Network always shows ipv4 10.0.2.15
[08:06:14] <owenca> no ipv6
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[08:43:20] <jessicah> Premislaus: thanks for the GPT bug report :)
[08:43:32] <jessicah> it's definitely an intriguing corner case to look into
[08:48:01] <DHowett> oh interesting; it's when a disk's physical layout doesn't match the GPT layout (like when you image a GPT disk)?
[08:48:25] <DHowett> yeah, i could see DriveSetup prompting for a strange case like that. perhaps only on edit
[08:54:28] <jessicah> when dd'ing an image to a disk, yeah
[08:54:37] <jessicah> I created a gpt formatted disk image
[08:55:59] <jessicah> DHowett: I heard you maybe had some install issues with UEFI?
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[08:57:02] <DHowett> oh, that's excellent
[08:57:11] <DHowett> nah: I was using a self-built image and trying to run it from USB
[08:57:37] <DHowett> my issues were more of the "doesn't boot" variety. I grabbed a bootloader log from a machine that hung before the kernel could load
[08:57:41] <jessicah> I still need to investigate building an image with jam
[08:57:59] <DHowett> I did get a successful boot from UEFI to desktop on 1/4 machines
[08:58:07] <DHowett> make that 2/4: macbook pro did work in the end
[08:58:16] <jessicah> hmm, that's a rather low success rate =/
[08:58:26] <jessicah> macs tend to have shitty firmware
[08:58:49] <jessicah> on macs, I find if use refind, it usually manages to paper over the problems somehow
[08:58:54] <DHowett> the macs were more because I couldn't get the first stage (shell) to load from the usb drive without hanging
[08:58:57] <DHowett> refind fixed that up
[08:59:29] <DHowett> one machine KDL'd due to an unassignable PCI IRQ (Surface Pro 3)
[08:59:36] <jessicah> :o
[08:59:50] <jessicah> well, once it's in kernel, it's not really uefi related anymore
[08:59:52] <DHowett> yep :)
[09:00:04] <jessicah> but people want to nag me for all of their little troubles ;)
[09:00:20] <jessicah> I feel like a 1 person helpdesk atm, lulz
[09:00:38] <DHowett> haha
[09:00:51] <jessicah> pretty much the only thing that could really be related to the uefi loader is perhaps weird paging troubles
[09:01:06] <DHowett> i was going to avoid mentioning the KDL for that reason, but for full disclosure's sake :)
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[09:02:45] <jessicah> you should still file a ticket regardless
[09:02:59] <DHowett> no red flags on the machine that failed to load the kernel. it enumerated the partitions on the NVMe disk and their types, but it didn't enumerate the USB ones. it _did_, however, manage to get the boot volume name and parse package files (!)
[09:03:05] <DHowett> i'll pull up that log
[09:03:29] <DHowett> I've only got one end of an FTDI cable, so the other one is hooked up to a bluetooth modem. that's a fun debugging experience
[09:03:37] <jessicah> I guess people are just excited at the idea that they may finally be able to boot & use haiku on hardware that they haven't been able to until now
[09:03:58] <jessicah> DHowett: oh, nvme?
[09:04:00] <DHowett> yes
[09:04:03] <DHowett> yeah, nvme
[09:04:08] <jessicah> yeah, unless that's running in legacy sata mode, that won't boot
[09:04:23] <DHowett> right. I'm not trying to boot from the internal drive. just USB
[09:04:30] <jessicah> it'll work in uefi loader land, as that's entirely dependent on uefi firmware to provide drivers
[09:04:49] <jessicah> oh, it didn't boot off usb still? =/
[09:05:10] <DHowett> nah. the volume wasn't selected when i entered the bootloader, either
[09:05:13] <DHowett> it was selectable
[09:06:35] <jessicah> I don't see any BFS partitions in the output
[09:07:08] <Premislaus> jessicah: No problem.
[09:11:20] <jessicah> DHowett: it would be interesting to see if there are any differences using the disk image I created
[09:12:11] <jessicah> I have like 3 usb to rs232 cables :p
[09:12:35] <jessicah> I don't think all of them are FTDI
[09:12:44] <jessicah> why I ended up with 3
[09:17:48] <jessicah> but pretty helpful :)
[09:18:03] <jessicah> DHowett: my other debugging technique was to draw coloured squares to the framebuffer
[09:18:22] <jessicah> as after ExitBootServices(), the UEFI driver for the usb serial cable can't be used any more :p
[09:18:28] <jessicah> worked pretty well ;)
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[09:28:45] <DHowett> ah, clever. i like that
[09:29:23] <DHowett> I'll give your image a shot in a bit. thanks!
[09:30:22] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys 6c6bcd7 - kBuild: add recipe for 0.1.9998
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[09:39:45] <korli> there is no release yet, but developers complain about media kit, package kit, etc... what does it sound like?
[09:47:33] <axeld> korli: huh?
[09:54:30] <korli> axeld: reading mailing lists and irc logs
[09:55:24] <axeld> korli: Did anybody besides kallisti5 complain about the package kit? And anybody besides Barrett about the media kit? :-)
[09:55:47] <axeld> And what's the point of complaints? Patches we accept...
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[09:56:05] <axeld> Late start, stippi? :-)
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[09:59:01] <korli> axeld: right, but they make people think their complaints are justified
[09:59:51] <axeld> korli: you mean populism has reached Haiku? :-)
[10:00:08] <OscarL> Hello all. Quick question: did anyone managed to boot Haiku from USB using some of those "multiboot" utilities (like YUMI)?
[10:00:14] <korli> it's about it yeah :)
[10:01:18] <OscarL> You know, the ones that allows you to have one USB drive with multiple Linux/Win/rescue-cd images in it and select which one to boot?
[10:01:50] <korli> OscarL: never used these sorry
[10:02:26] <OscarL> I ask because I find them quite more useful than dd'ing an image each time.
[10:02:34] <stippi> axeld: No, my router lost the connection again and I had to restart it...
[10:02:50] <axeld> stippi: sounds like a believable excuse :-)
[10:02:56] <stippi> really.
[10:03:10] <OscarL> korli: understandable :-)
[10:04:01] <OscarL> Just for the record, I've only managed to have "some" success using Easy2Boot (which does some nasty trick with 4th partition entry in the MBR)...
[10:04:33] <korli> OscarL: can you boot a disk image with such utilities?
[10:04:37] <OscarL> but sadly Haiku then becomes confused about partitions, and can't use that live image to install to HDD :-(
[10:06:09] <OscarL> korli: I've tried it in the past, no luck. I should try again with more recent versions of both Haiku and YUMI. Thanks for reminding me that option.
[10:07:22] <OscarL> BTW, korli, axeld, stippi, and the whole lot... THANKS a LOT for your work on Haiku all these years! It is really appreciated!
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[10:11:40] <Premislaus> korli: I updated ticket with tcpdump.
[10:13:08] <stippi> OscarL: You're welcome! Thanks for saying that. :-)
[10:13:55] <OscarL> stippi: you guys are my coding heroes.
[10:14:20] <OscarL> You deserve all the compliments.
[10:17:43] <stippi> OscarL: I'm not so satisfied. In many ways, we have reached our goals, but in other ways, we did not.
[10:19:16] <OscarL> I think I understand you. I've been following the project since the OpenTracker days (RSS of commits, blogs/mailing lists, echelog, etc) almost daily.
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[10:20:57] <OscarL> There were GREAT moments. There were some low ones. Timings/oportunities lost, etc.... But I REALLY admire you guys for the quality of your work.
[10:21:21] <OscarL> and for your perseverance too!
[10:21:53] <stippi> OscarL: I don't know if the compliments are well deserved, but appreciated they are... :-D
[10:22:10] <OscarL> :-)
[10:22:25] <stippi> OscarL: I agree, there were great moments. And lots of happy time spent together.
[10:22:37] <stippi> OscarL: And there still are and will be.
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[10:23:09] <OscarL> I remember running Haiku when consoled was all the GUI.
[10:23:27] <stippi> axeld's made some changes again to BFS. I find the work of jessicah very inspiring and it itches in my fingers to do some Haiku work again... :-)
[10:24:07] <axeld> stippi: yeah, I really wish I had a little more time :-)
[10:24:33] <OscarL> I remember being able to use my TV/FM tunner on that! axeld always being helpful with my annoying questions...
[10:24:37] <stippi> axeld: time, energy and motivation
[10:25:09] <axeld> stippi: indeed, although motivation is not an issue lately -- energy surely is too
[10:25:40] <stippi> I'spose the little one sucks some up.
[10:26:11] <axeld> and work, too
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[10:29:58] <stippi> axeld: You need energy for work?!
[10:30:21] <axeld> stippi: is that surprising? :-)
[10:30:37] <stippi> You may be doing something wrong.... nah just kidding.
[10:32:30] <axeld> I find some time here and there, but I rarely find the time to tackle the larger things
[10:33:27] <stippi> axeld: But it's the larger things that need tackling... no? :-}
[10:34:53] <OscarL> I wish I could donate you some of my free time, or that you could donate me some coding talent!
[10:36:18] <OscarL> Anyway, gtg. Just wanted to say: thanks for all the fish! (BiPolar signing off)
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[10:39:06] <jarhead> hello world!
[10:39:17] <axeld> stippi: there are lots of worthy smaller things, too, like the BFS fixes I made recently
[10:39:27] <jarhead> kinda random question
[10:39:37] <stippi> axeld: True.
[10:40:09] <jarhead> i'm not even sure how to ask the question
[10:40:28] <axeld> But sure, the larger things need tackling. That would be the Mail Kit, and the launch_daemon for the time being
[10:40:31] <stippi> jarhead: Narrow down the subject
[10:41:20] <axeld> jarhead: if it has anything to do with Haiku, you're at least in the right channel
[10:41:27] <stippi> hehe
[10:41:37] <jarhead> damn i thought this was a poetry channel
[10:41:39] <jarhead> jk
[10:41:56] <jarhead> would it be possible to retain the runtime/userspace/something on the addition of extra computing power
[10:42:02] <jarhead> effectively/efficiently
[10:42:47] <stippi> I can see the trouble with wording the question. I have no idea what you mean.
[10:46:21] <jarhead> so i guess at its basest, what's the status of haiku as a phone OS
[10:47:32] <jarhead> i guess that'd be considered porting to ARM
[10:48:00] <jarhead> where the status is lagging behind
[10:48:35] <Premislaus> stippi: You are still working on new Wonderbrush?
[10:49:04] <stippi> Premislaus: Not for the last two years or so.
[10:49:27] <stippi> Premislaus: Maybe one and a half..
[10:50:13] <Premislaus> Ahh, about two years ago. We are talking at that time. As a result, I abandoned Haiku for two years. ;)
[10:50:38] <stippi> Premislaus: The last thing I did was putting in effort to be able to save and load documents, and then I wanted to begin matching features of the old WonderBrush, but that is still very much incomplete.
[10:50:59] <stippi> What, because of me?
[10:51:45] <Premislaus> Not only
[10:51:53] <stippi> What did I say?!
[10:52:07] <Premislaus> But after the conversation, I realized that I have a different vision.
[10:52:41] <Premislaus> You gave me a reprimand.
[10:52:53] <Premislaus> About organization, etc.
[10:52:53] <stippi> Need to look that up.
[10:53:44] <Premislaus> It is difficult to divide the open source and hobby, with the "pro" and "marketing".
[10:54:02] <Premislaus> It is irrelevant now.
[10:54:20] <Premislaus> I want to buy some cheap Wacom for Wonderbrush.
[10:54:28] <stippi> I don't remember the conversation, I'm sorry.
[10:55:26] <Premislaus> No problem.
[10:55:31] <Premislaus> It will not be the current version of Wonderbrush for 64-bit?
[10:55:53] <stippi> Premislaus: I'm dreaming of a Wacom screen that is high-res and has no notable gap between the pixels and the pen.
[10:56:40] <Premislaus> :)
[10:56:46] <stippi> Premislaus: Last I tried, WonderBrush compiled on Haiku. But I've never tried to run a 64-bit build and I didn't try porting WonderBrush to 64-bit. I don't know how hard that would be, but I guess no so hard.
[10:57:35] <korli> stippi: the alternative is writing the 32bit layer for x86_64 :=)
[10:57:38] <stippi> Talking about the new WonderBrush. The old one needs updateing the buildsystem before it compiles. Probably needs porting to the Haiku layout kit.
[10:57:49] <OmniMancer> I assume graphics programs don't cast pointers to integers often?
[10:57:51] <stippi> korli: Yeah!
[10:58:28] <stippi> OmniMancer: I may have done that in places, but surely not often.
[10:58:31] <OmniMancer> alternatively dynamic binary translation :D
[10:59:13] <stippi> I don't get any work done when I keep chatting to you guys! But it is sure fun.
[10:59:41] <Premislaus> stippi: Sorry, I have some questions.
[10:59:52] <stippi> shoot
[11:00:49] <Premislaus> Is any program could be competitive for Photoshop?
[11:00:53] <Premislaus> Today
[11:01:37] <jarhead> well short version of the idea: haiku on a phone with the ability to take that phone and stick it in a dock to access more cpu/ram/space
[11:01:42] <Premislaus> Pirated versions are very common in companies.
[11:01:49] <jarhead> maybe hook screens up to the dock
[11:02:52] <Premislaus> And when I speak with people (mobile devs, mockups stuff), they to not look for Inkscape or Gimp, because "This is a crap" and "No loading properly PSD".
[11:03:05] <Premislaus> *do not
[11:04:06] <jarhead> ideally being able to retain the working context between different docks or general sessions
[11:04:17] <OmniMancer> Has there been any progress at all on GPU drivers?
[11:05:54] <Premislaus> I ask because you once wrote that WonderBrush is better than Photoshop for WWW graphics.
[11:06:02] <Premislaus> Years ago.
[11:08:18] <jarhead> i'm guessing currently unfeasible
[11:15:13] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson d9920de - exiftool: bump to 10.40 (production release)
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[11:23:06] <stippi> jarhead: yes. Completely.
[11:23:20] <stippi> Premislaus: I surely didn't write it like that.
[11:23:56] <Premislaus> " The text rendering in WonderBrush always uses 256 levels of anti-aliasing, instead of only 16 levels seen in many other applications including Adobe Photoshop. "
[11:24:02] <stippi> Premislaus: WonderBrush is good at some very specific things. If it was better than any other apps, they have surely caught up in the meantime.
[11:24:20] <Premislaus> That was mental shortcut.
[11:24:29] <Premislaus> From my side.
[11:24:37] <stippi> Premislaus: So I said the text rendering is better (was better at that time). I didn't say it was generally better for WWW graphics.
[11:25:00] <stippi> ... than Photoshop.
[11:28:37] <stippi> Premislaus: If you are realistic, you should use WonderBrush if you feel comfortable with it as it is and have fun. You shouldn't have any hopes that development will continue, let alone that it will become better than Photoshop in this live.
[11:29:50] <Premislaus> stippi: Thank you for response :).
[11:30:22] <stippi> I know its probably not what you hoped for. But I shouldn't give you any false hopes.
[11:30:43] <Premislaus> Yeah, I know.
[11:30:46] <OmniMancer> I doubt even photoshop loads PSDs properly 100% of the time :P
[11:31:17] <stippi> OmniMancer: I guess most people can work with 99.99999% of the time.
[11:31:54] <OmniMancer> probably but I remember vaguely reading that that format is especially terrible in various ways
[11:33:54] <Premislaus> I wonder how many Haiku developers uses Haiku as the main system? I want to migrate, because I don't like Windows anymore (is annoying), and I don't like constant googlefest on Linux, for drivers issues and commands, how to properly edit config files, etc. Mac is expensive.
[11:36:03] <Premislaus> Temporarily I can't do this, for me only works version from Jessicah.
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[12:02:18] <jarhead> would be pretty cool though right
[12:02:35] <jessicah> Premislaus: I alternate between windows and haiku on a daily basis
[12:03:11] <jessicah> stippi: thanks for the compliments :) it's always a nice feeling to get something ticked off the infinite list of things to do :D
[12:05:03] <Premislaus> The Big stopper for Haiku adoption in Haiku Community (sic) is Web+. With good internet browser you can "anything".
[12:05:17] <stippi> jessicah: Thanks for your inspiring work!
[12:05:38] <stippi> Premislaus: Absolutely.
[12:06:21] <Premislaus> I reported today several bugs for Web+.
[12:06:37] <Premislaus> Mostly crashes.
[12:06:58] <jessicah> axeld: your samba job that doesn't launch sometimes, does that use the on initial volumes mounted condition?
[12:07:11] <jessicah> I'm wondering if there's a race condition in there; I'll get around to tracing it
[12:07:27] <jessicah> but curious if you do, as that would likely confirm my hypothesis :p
[12:22:55] <Perelandra> Is the BScrollView class layout aware? I am trying to use layout functions to add views to the BScrollView's target view but they keep getting added to the Windows's layout instead.
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[13:06:45] <Premislaus> BTW mmadia - he is no longer in the project?
[13:07:50] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson c0fba66 - libtasn1: bump to 4.10, drop unneeded "autoreconf -fi"
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[14:21:44] <axeld> jessicah: No, it doesn't use that condition. But if you find a race condition in there, I wouldn't mind if you fixed it as you go :-)
[14:22:08] <axeld> Perelandra: The scroll view is used in several layout applications, so I'd guess you're doing something wrong?
[14:22:45] <axeld> Premislaus: I guess he is a bit burned out; he pretty much ran the Inc. alone for years.
[14:23:10] <axeld> Premislaus: He's still on the mailing list, though, but not really active anymore
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[14:25:13] <jessicah> axeld: hmm, that's not so helpful then :p
[14:25:31] <jessicah> axeld: can you pastebin your samba job setup? it may help me track it down :)
[14:25:43] <axeld> jessicah: wait a second
[14:26:12] <axeld> Do you have a pastebin that works in Haiku?
[14:28:43] <jessicah> sprunge is great :)
[14:28:49] <jessicah> pastebin.com is pretty terrible :p
[14:29:05] <axeld> jessicah: Do I get the link back from that curl call, or what?
[14:29:13] <jessicah> yup
[14:29:16] <jessicah> it prints out the URL
[14:29:25] <axeld> jessicah: I'm not using them that often, so I'm pretty much open for anything :-)
[14:29:51] <jessicah> you could probably pipe curl to clipboard
[14:30:00] <jessicah> and then can just paste :p
[14:30:23] <axeld> sounds neat, but I don't have clipboard interaction with vbox :-)
[14:30:29] <jessicah> I have a bunch of bash aliases for it
[14:30:45] <jessicah> ah; then it's good that the paste IDs are only 4 chars ;)
[14:30:54] <axeld> cooool :-)
[14:34:08] <jessicah> so I drop that in /boot/system/non-packaged/data/launch directory?
[14:34:40] <jessicah> I can never remember where everything goes these days :p
[14:43:08] <axeld> jessicah: exactly
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[14:44:18] <diver_> axeld: don't you have vbox additions installed? :)
[14:44:29] <axeld> diver_: Aren't they gcc4 only?
[14:44:34] <diver_> no
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[14:45:08] <diver_> axeld: been using them for two years on gcc2h
[14:45:19] <axeld> diver_: Actually, I have them installed
[14:45:31] <axeld> Do I have to do anything to make clipboard work?
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[14:45:48] <diver_> axeld: /bin/VBoxTray
[14:46:41] <Premislaus> axeld: Thank you for clarification.
[14:46:44] <axeld> diver_: Doesn't seem to have any effect
[14:46:55] <diver_> and then enable bidirectional clipboard in vm settings
[14:47:04] <axeld> Ah!
[14:47:27] <axeld> diver_: Thanks, it works!
[14:47:31] <diver_> cool :)
[14:47:36] <diver_> deskbar will crash on the first restart
[14:47:45] <axeld> Now I feel stupid, though :-)
[14:47:53] <diver_> eh :)
[14:48:35] <diver_> i'm trying to build vbox additions for x86_64 but run into compile error
[14:48:42] <diver_> mind taking a look?
[14:50:15] <diver_> int rc = ioctl((int)g_File, iFunction, pvData, cbData);
[14:50:15] <diver_> ^
[14:50:22] <diver_> ugh
[14:50:36] <axeld> diver_: "ugh" is the compiler error? :-)
[14:50:55] <diver_> haha, no
[14:51:07] <diver_> can't paste here for some reason
[14:52:51] <axeld> diver_: Do you have a link to the repository?
[14:53:08] <diver_> looking...
[14:55:25] <jessicah> sounds like you want a 64 bit type
[14:55:33] <axeld> diver_: the one on virtualbox.org is not up to date?
[14:55:43] <axeld> diver_: thanks
[14:56:50] <jessicah> like addr_t perhaps
[14:57:12] <diver_> jessicah: that worked, thanks! :)
[14:57:27] <axeld> diver_: why are there definitions for other systems in there?
[14:57:41] <axeld> diver_: It looks like the wrong definition is used for g_File
[14:57:59] <diver_> no idea, what should be used instead?
[14:59:25] <axeld> diver_: No, I was wrong -- it looks like there is a layer between the OS and vbox that is used
[15:00:20] <diver_> got linking error
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[15:01:10] <axeld> diver_: does github have a grok?
[15:01:27] <axeld> Their search is pretty much unusable for code searches
[15:01:31] <diver_> dunno, but there's search
[15:01:36] <diver_> ah
[15:03:53] <axeld> diver_: do you know where RTFILE is defined? That would be helpful. I don't think it should be a 64 bit type but int
[15:06:20] <diver_> probably not...
[15:06:43] <diver_> in any case it compiles but fails at linking
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[15:10:37] <jessicah> you need to do what it says, and compile with -fPIC
[15:11:22] <jessicah> can set that with CFLAGS, probably during configure
[15:12:05] <diver_> or CXXFLAGS ?
[15:13:00] <jessicah> is the source c++?
[15:13:16] <diver_> yep
[15:13:25] <jessicah> then use both
[15:13:37] <jessicah> to be on the safe side
[15:17:13] <axeld> diver_: ioctl() needs an int as file descriptor -- if RTFILE is something else, the type is probably wrong
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[15:19:35] <diver_> axeld: I see, no idea where to check that tho
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[15:22:59] <axeld> diver_: You could a (in your Terminal): git grep RTFILE | grep typedef
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[15:29:03] <diver_> have to type that as I don't have clipboard working in vbox :P
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[15:47:47] <Premislaus> jessicah Can you start GLTeapot on you build and check if your laptop turn off? Maybe you must start this app several times.
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[15:50:39] <Premislaus> My turn off after second time, and when I'm runing MilkyTracker for longer time.
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[16:26:44] <ohnx> Premislaus: what do you mean by turn off? like crash?
[16:28:24] <Premislaus> ohnx power off
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[16:29:22] <ohnx> axeld: what's wrong wiht github search?
[16:30:00] <ohnx> Premislaus: that's really weird ...
[16:30:20] <ohnx> is it only an issue with your efi boot?
[16:31:32] <axeld> ohnx: it will just return all occurrences of what I'm searching for -- what I would want would be either be more search options (like having typedef and RTFILE on the same line) or a real grok
[16:31:53] <ohnx> i;'ve never used grok before, so github search seems fine :p
[16:32:24] <ohnx> only annoying thing is you can't search forks
[16:34:05] <axeld> diver_: That doesn't really help me... can you do that again for R3R0PTRTYPE?
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[16:45:30] <axeld> diver_: Can you lose the typedef?
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[16:51:23] <axeld> diver_: If it's defined, use RTFileToNative(g_File) for calling ioctl()
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[16:51:31] <axeld> Don't just cast it
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[17:02:16] <axeld> diver_: how did you fix it?
[17:02:23] <diver_> dropped them
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[17:03:17] <axeld> You mean replaced by NULL?
[17:03:51] <axeld> Are you sure this counts as "fixed"? :-)
[17:04:24] <axeld> it probably uses the wrong type for textLen
[17:04:30] <diver_> :) just trying to make it compile at first
[17:04:34] <axeld> like int instead of size_t or something like that
[17:04:53] <axeld> But this should not compile on x86 either
[17:05:00] <axeld> (I mean the original version)
[17:05:40] <axeld> (of the old issue, not the new one)
[17:06:32] <axeld> needs an ssize_t, not an int32 -- they are compatible on x86, but not on x86_64
[17:07:21] <diver_> trying
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[17:10:43] <diver_> err no
[17:16:20] <axeld> diver_: That's an odd one, and would need to be fixed in the header file
[17:16:37] <diver_> ouch :/
[17:16:45] <axeld> diver_: You could also turn off pedantic mode in gcc if that is used
[17:17:25] <axeld> You could try replacing "const" with constexpr, but this will only work with gcc4
[17:18:15] <diver_> where? in the header?
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[17:22:22] <axeld> diver_: yes
[17:22:45] <diver_> well, it's ready only, so i can't easily change it
[17:23:09] <axeld> losing the pedantic flag would be best
[17:23:24] <axeld> otherwise a #define const constexpr before including the header might work
[17:23:42] <axeld> (but don't forget a #undef const afterwards)
[17:24:18] <axeld> But you could file a bug report that this header (and maybe others) don't compile with -pendantic
[17:25:10] <axeld> why is there a -no-pic in the options?
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[17:26:37] <ohnx> isn't it supposed to be -fPIC?
[17:29:49] <humdinger> diver_: I recreated the hidden/shown window icons for the Deskbar with Icon-O-Matic.
[17:29:58] <humdinger> shall I put them under "icons" in trunk?
[17:30:23] <humdinger> I think the lines that are added when a window is not on the current workspace are not part of the icon.
[17:30:24] <diver_> humdinger: yes please, btw I fond similar at zuMI's site
[17:30:36] <humdinger> argl! :)
[17:30:51] <diver_> a few hours ago
[17:30:58] <DHowett> whatever happened to Stack and Tile?
[17:31:38] <humdinger> DHowett: I use it quite often
[17:32:38] <humdinger> diver_: can't find those at zumi's...
[17:32:41] <HAIKU-irker458> 8b9c75d67f56: Fix copying special files in Tracker
[17:34:28] <humdinger> diver those are for toolbars. Mine are 100% replicas of the original. :)
[17:34:41] <humdinger> Only did a gradient for the yellow tab.
[17:35:09] <humdinger> They only look nice when used this small in Deskbar.
[17:35:31] <humdinger> (relative size)
[17:39:46] <diver_> humdinger: have you tried opening svg icons in other browsers?
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[17:39:58] <PulkoMandy> in normal notifications I think we could use BAlert icons?
[17:40:05] <diver_> it might be app_server/Web+ issue on Haiku
[17:40:09] <humdinger> yes. firefos in linux, Qupzilla in Haiku.
[17:40:10] <PulkoMandy> (and it should look ok in Deskbar even, as these are simple icons)
[17:41:35] <PulkoMandy> DHowett: in case you missed it, Stack and Tile is now fully integrated into the app_server. Just hold the "window" key to stack and tile your windows
[17:42:48] <humdinger> I don't like the Info "i" too much... I think the flat icons are nicer for 16px size in lists.
[17:43:04] <humdinger> We do tend to use 2D icons for small sizes like tool bars.
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[17:43:42] <Begasus> evening peeps
[17:43:52] * PulkoMandy looks at deskbar replicant shelf and tries to spot a 2D icon
[17:44:11] <PulkoMandy> Mail, Volume, Network, NetPulse… all of this is 3D
[17:44:14] <humdinger> PowerStatus, PC
[17:44:21] <PulkoMandy> (ok, PowerStatus and ProcessController aren't... yet?)
[17:44:59] <humdinger> Just saying. 2D might be better for conveying information.
[17:45:16] <humdinger> there are pixels saved that would be used for the 3D effect.
[17:45:45] <humdinger> out tool bar icons are the precedent I offered the court as exhibit A. :)
[17:45:52] <humdinger> *our
[17:45:53] <PulkoMandy> yes, I think it would be better
[17:46:28] <PulkoMandy> just that it's often not the case in existing replicants
[17:46:41] <humdinger> just because they lack a dimension doesn't mean thay have to lack style :)
[17:46:47] <humdinger> we can work on that.
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[17:52:01] <DHowett> jessicah: tried your image. same thing as before: "loading haiku_kernel_x86_64", then nothing. no BFS volumes enumerated in the output
[17:52:11] <DHowett> it hangs in EFI and doesn't exit boot services, i believe
[17:52:20] <DHowett> well, not a "hang" exactly.
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[17:52:43] <DHowett> I'm guessing because the soft keyboard and any DXE drivers are still operable
[17:52:54] <DHowett> (like CrScreenshotDxe!)
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[18:13:03] <dacian> @humdinger or @jessicah i'm trying to make a recipe for botan and there is a file called configure.py in archive but terminal says ./configure not found and i've added cmd python
[18:18:50] <Begasus> python scripts should be called for with python ... ./configure won't work that way (I think)
[18:21:31] <dacian> so what should i do?
[18:21:55] <Begasus> isn't there a readme included?
[18:22:07] <dacian> let me take a look
[18:22:53] <dacian> there is a readme
[18:23:24] <Begasus> maybe also a install file?
[18:23:36] <Begasus> atleast one of them should get you started
[18:24:51] <Begasus> ah, you should probably use "./configure.py" instead of just "./configure"
[18:25:43] <dacian> i've done this, now and i got a long output with errors
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[18:27:34] <Vidrep> Hi
[18:27:39] <Begasus> hi Vidrep
[18:27:47] <Vidrep> :)
[18:30:25] <Vidrep> Diver, re. the steps to take when debugging Sanity...
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[18:34:47] <Begasus> so far building ok in arch x86 here dacian (in Terminal)
[18:35:16] <Begasus> just pthread doesn't seem to work so i removed that one from the Makefile
[18:37:19] <dacian> so, do i have to remove that command?
[18:38:01] <Vidrep> Hi humdinger
[18:38:19] <humdinger> hey Vidrep!
[18:38:33] <Begasus> wb humdinger
[18:41:03] <Vidrep> bbl
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[18:41:46] <dacian> it still fails
[18:43:22] <Begasus> are you trying to build for x86_gcc2 or x86?
[18:44:41] <Begasus> still building here (in Terminal)
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[18:46:37] <HAIKU-irker458> 108c68dc8245: Added vector version of window icons in Deskbar
[18:47:03] <dacian> x86
[18:47:30] <Begasus> could you pastebin the work you have so far?
[18:48:27] <dacian> sure
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[18:52:10] <Vidrep> I'm just trying to get some debugging info on Sanity as instructed by Diver. Debugger isn't the easiest app to figure out...
[18:53:18] <Begasus> so that's like debugging debug? ;)
[18:53:27] <humdinger> Vidrep: yep, it's a coder's tool.
[18:55:24] <Begasus> 1 .. pthread is still active as far as I can see dacian ... 2 ... I'm not sure you are fully running x86, what does your recipe look like atm?
[18:56:11] <dacian> i've deteled pthread from makefile
[18:58:03] <Begasus> it get's re-addded (haven't looked if there is a Makefile.in or maybe by configure.py)
[18:59:17] <Begasus> no Makefile.in, so you probably have to look inside configure.py for pthread
[19:00:25] <dacian> no pth in configure
[19:01:46] <Begasus> yeah, just saw it ... it has to come from somewhere, probably need to grep for it in the source
[19:02:38] <Begasus> bugger .... asn1.cpp:(.text.startup+0xc3): undefined reference to `__stack_chk_fail_local'
[19:02:47] <dacian> maybe i should add a lib for that
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[19:08:02] <miqlas-H64> Hi
[19:08:30] <miqlas-H64> Interrestingly the latest cmake requires curl too
[19:08:55] <miqlas-H64> Yet better, if i compile it without system libs, it doesn't.
[19:09:13] <miqlas-H64> Maybe some other required package requires curl too, but i'm not sure.
[19:10:01] <dacian> hi miqlas-H64
[19:10:17] <Begasus> hi miqlas-H64
[19:10:33] <Begasus> first thing google tells me about this is maybe a missing libssp?
[19:11:38] <PulkoMandy> we don't have libssp yet
[19:11:50] <PulkoMandy> you can usually disable it ("fortify source" things)
[19:12:24] <Begasus> that also depends on libube (libssp)
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[19:16:04] <miqlas-H64> dacian: install/port boton?
[19:16:29] <dacian> what?
[19:17:27] <miqlas-H64> dacian: it says: boton/mutex.h missing, right?
[19:18:17] <dacian> i didn't see tha, i've just noticed that pthread
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[19:23:38] <miqlas-H64> dacian: i just noticed ,that you are working on botan right now.
[19:23:58] <miqlas-H64> please, dismiss my earlier comment
[19:24:39] <dacian> :)
[19:25:14] <miqlas-H64> dacian: this line "/sources/botan-2.0.1/build/include/botan/parsing.h:16: istream: No such file or directory" looks bad for my eyes. shouldn't it be iostream?
[19:25:42] <miqlas-H64> i have no idea, just shooting at things.
[19:26:08] <dacian> idk
[19:27:55] <miqlas-H64> humdinger: i got a beer, but have no idea, why i bought it. do you want it?
[19:28:12] <humdinger> DCC it over, miqlas-H64
[19:28:26] <miqlas-H64> Alkoholiker!
[19:28:44] <humdinger> hello kettle... ;)
[19:28:46] <miqlas-H64> You Amokprogrammierer!
[19:29:17] <humdinger> I wis. Haven't touched code for days...
[19:29:25] <humdinger> *wish even
[19:30:11] <Duggan> lol humdinger hi all
[19:30:14] <miqlas-H64> haven't you seen the hipster-programming postos? "At Tuesday we kode", and sht like that...
[19:30:43] <humdinger> I have no idea what you're on about, miqlas-H64...
[19:30:51] <humdinger> he Duggan
[19:30:57] <miqlas-H64> cmake, humdinger.
[19:31:05] <Duggan> all your fault, humdinger!
[19:31:15] <humdinger> mental buildbots...
[19:31:16] <Begasus> now we can blame humdinger! :P
[19:31:34] <miqlas-H64> PulkoMandy: i just cannot build a frickin minimal image on Haiku x64, and have no idea, what's going on.
[19:31:47] <ohnx> building on haiku is maybe broken right now
[19:31:56] <Duggan> miqlas-H64 you have to build crosstools
[19:31:57] <ohnx> possibly consider building on linux insted
[19:31:59] <miqlas-H64> *maybe*
[19:32:27] <miqlas-H64> Really? cross-compiing haiku on haiku? bleeeh
[19:32:34] <Duggan> even though you're in Haiku trying to build Haiku, you still have to build with crosstools for 64 bit
[19:32:38] <Duggan> miqlas-H64 yes
[19:33:08] <ohnx> i think haiku was broken before that
[19:33:18] <Duggan> also, gawk 4.1.4 is broken so if the image you're working with has that, you either need to upgrade or change the version of gawk you're using (4.1.0 works)
[19:33:22] <miqlas-H64> Duggan: i don't think i need crosscompile haiku on haiku_x64, but fixme.
[19:33:37] <Duggan> miqlas-H64 yes you do
[19:33:56] <miqlas-H64> Duggan: my power level is 3 beer, so i won't.
[19:34:09] <Duggan> ok, then be content with a broken build :)
[19:34:16] <miqlas-H64> Dramakönigin miqlas
[19:34:55] <Duggan> only 3?
[19:35:47] <miqlas-H64> Duggan: need to spare for alcohol, have you got a dollar?
[19:36:14] <Duggan> nope, can't afford my own right now
[19:36:29] <miqlas-H64> i'm not sure, but maybe i can pay with bitcoins too...
[19:37:21] <miqlas-H64> Duggan: i have enough monnies for more beer, but i need to go to home today, so 3 beer must be enough for today.
[19:37:46] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: didn't jessicah fix that bug with gawk already?
[19:38:59] <miqlas-H64> PulkoMandy: maybe i haven't got the update. I was a bit lazy in the last time., i think.
[19:39:09] <miqlas-H64> but i got lapack compiled on Haiku.
[19:40:37] <miqlas-H64> and the latest cmake too.
[19:41:06] <miqlas-H64> (had to update cmake, because the current in HD fails)
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[19:53:21] <Duggan> PulkoMandy she reverted to 4.1.0 in the build, I thought she fixed gawk but as of 50866, it's still 4.1.0
[19:53:48] <Duggan> the problem is fixed in that we have a working version, but the problem with gawk (as far as I know) is not
[19:56:28] <miqlas-H64> i have 50867 :S
[20:02:08] <Duggan> miqlas-H64 then you should be able to build x86_64 fine
[20:02:27] <miqlas-H64> Duggan: but i'm not.
[20:02:47] <Duggan> because you're too lazy to build with crosstools, that's your problem, not mine :P
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[20:55:40] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] pulkomandy 45f456a - Initial pages for GSoC 2017
[20:59:52] <Vidrep> Is there a possibility that these two related tickets will be looked at before beta? #11938 & #12300 (network preferences)
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[21:03:37] <Barrett> Vidrep, dunno
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[21:09:44] <Begasus> Testing Botan 2.0.1 (released, dated 20170109, revision git:55a1d935e736716480407378565939b9e6c829b9, distribution unspecified)
[21:14:00] <Vidrep> Hi Barrett
[21:14:18] <Barrett> hi
[21:14:56] <Begasus> Tests complete ran 304245 tests in 402.50 sec 10 tests failed
[21:15:19] <Begasus> well atleast Botan builded :)
[21:15:30] <Begasus> signing off here, g'night peeps!
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[22:52:06] <Premislaus> hello
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[23:05:49] <Anarchos> web+ isn't able to display google ?
[23:09:44] <HAIKU-irker458> f31b1a2faf80: Implement scrypt-based password hashing
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