January 15, 2017 
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January 15, 2017 [00:03:03] *** bitkid <bitkid!~bitkid@x1-6-c0-ff-d4-9c-db-ec.cpe.webspeed.dk> has joined #haiku[00:03:50] * Duggan sighs[00:04:00] <Duggan> is the build broken or did I break something?...[00:04:24] <Begasus> what build Duggan?[00:04:25] <Duggan> I've reverted and everything and it still fails...[00:04:28] <Duggan> x86_64[00:04:52] <Begasus> ah ... don't know about those[00:04:57] * ignacio says hi[00:05:14] <Duggan> I changed one line, and when that failed, I changed it back, did a git revert, etc, etc, etc.... git diff says nothing's changed...[00:05:47] <Duggan> I guess I just need to redownload the repo :/[00:05:48] <Begasus> no git guru here ...[00:05:52] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-092-252-109-040.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Quit: axeld)[00:06:13] <ignacio> Why do you redownload the repo?[00:06:20] <ignacio> You can just reset and pull from master[00:06:49] <Duggan> unless you know something I haven't tried, I'd say I've done all I can[00:07:03] <ignacio> Do you mind sharing git log?[00:07:13] <Duggan> how do I get a git log?[00:07:21] <ignacio> in the terminal write "git log"[00:08:51] *** lamp <lamp!b1b6e052@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.177.182.224.82> has left #haiku[00:11:38] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-205-22-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:11:56] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-166-35-201.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[00:11:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[00:12:11] <Duggan> ignacio http://sprunge.us/NegC[00:12:39] <Duggan> I removed the latter entries as they weren't immediately pertinent[00:13:11] <Duggan> apparently gawk is failing in some of the PCI stuff (which is where I was working) but I can't see where I've still changed anything[00:13:27] <Duggan> it's complaining about pci.ids, which I see in the changelog that they were updated, but that was 3 days ago[00:13:40] *** qptain_Nemo <qptain_Nemo!~qN@37.204.239.206> has joined #haiku[00:13:42] <ignacio> youc an check that by using "git status"[00:14:31] <Duggan> gitlog (the file I just created) and dyncast[00:14:38] <ignacio> I know nothing about haiku, I just now basic of git (btw); but you can just check if you did something[00:14:52] <ignacio> so it may not be your fault?[00:15:09] <Duggan> I think I created dyncast too when searching for something else[00:15:35] <Duggan> well hell, I figure by now someone would've pipped up and said "builds fine for me" or "no it's broke" or something[00:15:45] <Duggan> piped*[00:16:06] <Duggan> so like I said: I guess I need to redownload the repo[00:16:12] <Duggan> something's apparently corrupt[00:16:15] <Begasus> going down here, g'night peeps[00:16:20] <Duggan> later Begasus[00:16:23] *** Begasus is now known as Begas_sleep[00:16:55] <ignacio> Duggan, you have nothing to lose? i mean, do you want to keep any code you have?[00:17:00] <ignacio> *any changes?, if not we can just git reset[00:17:17] <ignacio> try:[00:17:23] <Duggan> ignacio no, I reverted the one line I changed[00:17:33] <ignacio> git reset 26d416448112acac341d8a7c71344cba3c8a6814[00:17:35] <ignacio> git checkout .[00:17:37] <ignacio> git pull[00:18:36] <Duggan> I didn't do another checkout after the reset, let me try that[00:18:44] <Duggan> nope, failed[00:18:57] <ignacio> you tried git reset 26d416448112acac341d8a7c71344cba3c8a6814[00:18:57] <ignacio> ?[00:19:26] <Duggan> not yet, hold on... don't get your panties in a wad[00:19:37] * ignacio is anxious not sure why[00:20:54] <Duggan> failed[00:21:33] <Duggan> OH..... dammit[00:21:35] <ignacio> What failed?[00:21:40] <Duggan> the build[00:21:42] <Duggan> and now I know why[00:22:02] *** [JJ]Albert_ is now known as [JJ]Albert[00:22:22] <Duggan> there's a bug in gawk 4.1.4 in x86_64 and for whatever reason, I have it again... after I downgraded to gawk 4.1.0[00:32:25] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-46-190.bix.bellsouth.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[00:33:10] *** Begas_sleep <Begas_sleep!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:38:51] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-46-190.bix.bellsouth.net> has joined #haiku[01:00:36] <jessicah`> Duggan: gawk problem should be fixed with recent builds[01:04:11] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Eating pizza)[01:09:19] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Macabre?)[01:10:42] <jessicah`> Duggan: is your install itself up to date?[01:13:57] *** Hare2 <Hare2!~Pol23@p5DD4448D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has left #haiku[01:14:32] <Duggan> jessicah` it is now[01:15:24] <Duggan> and it built fine (with gawk 4.1.0)[01:19:48] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:21:14] <jessicah`> :)[01:21:16] <Duggan> jessicah` so I just copied the existing line for an IDT device and changed the codec_id.... building now, so if my computer explodes whilst testing, don't expect me back for a little while[01:21:29] <jessicah`> :p[01:22:28] <Duggan> I figure there's only so many permutations of quirks, if I try them all, eventually I'll find the right one :P[01:22:37] <Duggan> or: right combination[01:23:28] <jessicah`> indeed :)[01:23:41] <Duggan> assuming I don't blow my computer up in the mean time...[01:23:46] <jessicah`> ;)[01:24:04] <Duggan> you know how electronics work, right?[01:24:38] <Duggan> all electronic devices are actually powered by magic smoke held in each of the components... if you let the magic smoke escape, the device stops working :P[01:26:23] <Duggan> installing...[01:26:35] <Duggan> restarting...[01:26:45] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-46-190.bix.bellsouth.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[01:30:25] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-46-190.bix.bellsouth.net> has joined #haiku[01:30:32] <Duggan> no magic smoke... yet[01:31:00] <jessicah`> magic sound?[01:31:08] <Premislaus> Duggan: You are talking about some IT magic? http://i.imgur.com/aqg21UI.jpg[01:32:00] <Duggan> jessicah` no :P but I did grab the syslog (actually I didn't even check the sound, syslog told me it wouldn't work anyway :P )[01:32:10] <Duggan> Premislaus at least it doesn't say "Linux magic" :P[01:32:12] <jessicah> :p[01:34:15] <Premislaus> I think Haiku is better in "UNIX-like" for dekstop - we have posix compatibility, but single user - no more sudo mantra. We have Bash and tools like tmux, htop, etc.[01:34:29] <Premislaus> Consistency.[01:34:45] <Premislaus> No googlefest for commands and drivers.[01:35:15] <Duggan> I'm fine with single user, I mean, who has multiple user logins for their phone? :P[01:35:28] <Duggan> except in a work environment, everybody usually has their own computers, and usually at work too[01:36:00] <DHowett> fairly pleased I managed to get Haiku booting on my mac[01:36:09] <DHowett> the safe mode "disable the use of this binary" feature is really clutch[01:36:15] <DHowett> goodbye, media addon server![01:36:20] <DHowett> (and troublesome KDL media addon)[01:36:33] <Premislaus> And, I think, UNIX is overestimated. There are exist some competition for UNIX, like OpenVMS or Windows NT ;).[01:39:14] <jessicah`> DHowett: cool :D[01:39:26] <jessicah`> yeah, I have to blacklist media_server on my macbook air[01:39:35] <jessicah`> else the whole desktop just locks up[01:39:47] <Duggan> I'm find with Unix, I hate Linux :P[01:40:00] <Premislaus> Duggan: When I was a kid, I wants some "graphic station" from SGI.[01:40:00] <Duggan> fine*[01:40:07] <jessicah`> the only thing I find linux useful for is a headless server[01:40:28] <Premislaus> *I wanted[01:40:31] <Duggan> Premislaus I had a guy with an Onyx he was going to give me, but it was in storage in another state and couldn't get to it :/[01:40:39] *** KapiX <KapiX!~kacper@89-65-138-76.dynamic.chello.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: KapiX)[01:40:56] <jessicah`> only problem I have with old hardware is how much power they guzzle[01:41:15] <Premislaus> I like MIPS architecture (good for 3D - SGI stations and Playastation 1 and 2).[01:41:30] <jessicah`> it's crazy how much more powerful computers are these days, and using so much less wattage[01:41:32] <DHowett> sometimes i regret giving up my indigo2[01:41:40] <Premislaus> And I like GUI in IRIX (probably this is CDE).[01:41:50] <DHowett> but like.. what was I gonna do with IRIX? in 2015? eh[01:42:14] <Duggan> an Onyx rackmount, no less... he actually had two, he was going to give me both so I could cannibalize them... one worked, but could use some extra parts from the other[01:42:47] <Premislaus> Many years ago I had QNX on floppy disk - complete OS with GUI, webbrowser, edtor, and e-mail client - http://toastytech.com/guis/qnxdemo.html[01:43:39] <earthnative> oh, I remember the qnxdemo. that was mindblowing[01:44:26] <Premislaus> My first computer was Pentium 133 MHz, 16 MiB of RAM, 1 GiB of HDD, and some ATI MACH 64. With Windows 95 in 1996 year.[01:44:48] <DHowett> it certainly wasn't as pretty as BeOS[01:44:55] <Premislaus> yeah[01:45:13] <Duggan> I miss dithering :'([01:45:25] <_Dario> there was an instalable QNX version[01:45:29] <Duggan> Premislaus my first computer was a Commodore 64 (I have 3 now)[01:45:38] <jessicah`> wow, all of that in <2MB?[01:45:41] <Premislaus> earthnative: CDE is opensourced - https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/[01:45:45] <Duggan> my first computer with a hard drive (40MB) was a Headstart Explorer[01:46:01] <_Dario> http://toastytech.com/guis/qnx621.html[01:46:15] <earthnative> my first computer was an Amiga 500... I no longer have the one I grew up with, but have two others (which I should really plug in and test again)[01:46:23] <Duggan> my first computer with windows was a Packard Bell 486SX with 4MB ram[01:46:30] <Duggan> earthnative I have an A500[01:46:49] <Duggan> (the windows version was 3.11 of course)[01:47:07] <jessicah`> all of that in <2MB, and a modern windows install takes several GBs...[01:47:09] <earthnative> Duggan: nice. great machines for the era :)[01:47:13] <Duggan> I still miss dithering :'([01:47:24] <Premislaus> jessicah`: Yes. BTW DKnoto from "Polish Haiku Community" ;), in early 90's was commercially programming for QNX. He uses Linux from early days, probably 1.0.[01:47:26] <Duggan> earthnative I am and always will be partial to the C64[01:47:52] <jessicah`> my first computer was a C64 too[01:48:12] <earthnative> I think everyone (well, many computer geeks) always remain partial to their first machines.[01:48:52] <jessicah`> then at school, had BBC Micro, kinda similar to a C64 I guess? and then few years later, Acorn A4000[01:49:02] <jessicah`> Lemmings on the A4000 was amazing[01:49:06] <earthnative> I also have an accidental Macintosh collection - several early all-in-one Macs, and a few G4 and G5 era too, all from trying to get some MacSE cases for a casemod project[01:49:09] <jessicah`> PC versions sucked sooo bad[01:49:27] <Duggan> we had Tandys in school[01:49:49] <Premislaus> What is Tandys?[01:49:52] <jessicah`> you could plug the A4000 into a stereo, and have stereo music tracks![01:49:57] <earthnative> jessicah`: yeah, I was bitterly disappointed in PC Lemmings when I got a copy, after having grown up with Amiga Lemmings[01:49:57] <Duggan> back when Tandy computers (and Radio Shack) were actually awesome...[01:49:58] <jessicah`> PCs barely had anything at the time[01:50:09] <jessicah`> I guess Acorn and Amiga were on similar levels feature wise[01:50:10] <earthnative> no music, just beeps. no multiplayer.[01:50:48] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[01:50:55] <Duggan> rofl @ pic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tandy_1000[01:51:00] <Premislaus> jessicah`: office machines[01:51:23] <Duggan> "Tandy 1000 EX's size was a little bigger than that of a household cat." - caption to obviously vintage marketing picture[01:51:25] <jessicah`> lol, at the wikipedia photo[01:51:47] <_Dario> the cat was included with the computer?[01:52:50] <jessicah`> comes with a cat?! I'll buy it!! :D[01:52:57] <jessicah`> haha[01:52:59] <Premislaus> Duggan: US imposed embargo on Poland in 80s - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinating_Committee_for_Multilateral_Export_Controls - ;)[01:53:36] <Premislaus> We don't had that stuff.[01:54:01] <_Dario> the cat looks a little sad...[01:54:16] <Premislaus> not everything, we had: some PCs, "ours" clones, Amiga, Atari, C64[01:54:40] <Premislaus> ZX Spectrum was highly popular in 80s[01:55:55] <Premislaus> Duggan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_computer_hardware_in_Soviet_Bloc_countries#Polish_computers[01:58:23] *** punsith <punsith!44834d22@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.131.77.34> has joined #haiku[02:02:33] <punsith> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23798382/[02:02:43] <punsith> how this happens ,[02:03:05] <punsith> while building a recipe ,[02:03:07] <punsith> :/[02:04:02] <punsith> first this happned then i was unabel to use haiku porter (when i type a command it jut ignore it )[02:04:32] <punsith> then i deleat hp and reinstall it then it worked but how it happense[02:07:56] <Duggan> jessicah` I guess I need to study these pinouts better and try to understand how the driver associates them...[02:14:50] <Duggan> I am in danger of becoming the audio codec guru... :/[02:14:59] <Duggan> not that I'm anywhere near that... but it may happen...[02:30:24] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[02:32:05] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:40:30] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@37.160.142.158> has joined #haiku[02:40:39] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has joined #haiku[02:40:45] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@37.160.142.158> has quit IRC (Changing host)[02:40:45] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[02:58:48] <Premislaus> Duggan: https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6388599[03:00:08] <Duggan> Premislaus nice[03:02:43] *** punsith <punsith!44834d22@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.131.77.34> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[03:13:15] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[03:17:01] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[03:17:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[03:25:33] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #143 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid-debug is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid-debug/builds/143[03:42:17] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[03:42:42] *** jessicah` <jessicah`!~jessicat@unaffiliated/jessicah> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[03:45:02] <Duggan> trying GPIO_0 and GPIO_3 :/[03:45:37] <HAIKU-irker458> jessicah-github.desklink: [2 commits] https://github.com/jessicah/haiku/compare/0988c65d4727[03:45:38] <HAIKU-irker458> 71374c91d311: Media preflet: fix runtime warning about incorrect flag usage.[03:45:39] <HAIKU-irker458> 0988c65d4727: Volume replicant: WIP removing use of Pulse().[03:52:45] <Duggan> jessicah did you ever figure out how to create a FAT partition in an image?[03:53:45] <Duggan> testing driver... brb[03:54:00] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-46-190.bix.bellsouth.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[03:54:01] <jessicah> not yet[03:58:39] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-46-190.bix.bellsouth.net> has joined #haiku[03:58:45] <Duggan> still nothing...[04:04:00] *** eschatologist_ <eschatologist_!~chanson@2601:646:8c00:6dca:83b4:fe68:d468:a6ce> has joined #haiku[04:04:53] <ohnx> hey audio codec guru pls help[04:05:12] <ohnx> what kind of compression does aac use?[04:05:34] <Duggan> beats me, that has nothing to do with hardware codecs :P[04:05:50] <ohnx> pfft[04:05:52] <Duggan> and I never said I was a guru[04:05:59] <Duggan> I said I was in danger of one day becoming one[04:06:09] <ohnx> i know, but you're 10x closer than i am[04:06:36] <Duggan> stare crosseyed at hda_codec.cpp for 10 hours and you'll be right where I am :P[04:10:30] <mikedld> since AAC is an audio compression format, I'd say it uses AAC compression :)[04:11:20] *** eschatologist_ <eschatologist_!~chanson@2601:646:8c00:6dca:83b4:fe68:d468:a6ce> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.6.3+deb2 - http://znc.in)[04:12:26] <mikedld> other than that, read MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 specs to find out more...[04:15:08] <ohnx> oh k[04:15:12] <ohnx> but like what is it based on[04:18:40] <Duggan> http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=aac+audio+compression[04:19:11] <ohnx> pfft i had to come up with some question[04:20:31] <Duggan> no you didn't[04:38:58] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote 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<Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-46-190.bix.bellsouth.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[05:52:29] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-46-190.bix.bellsouth.net> has joined #haiku[05:59:59] <jessicah> lol[06:00:28] <jessicah> the colours look fine, so I'm guessing it's just your math that's off[06:00:43] <jessicah> wanna share your drawing code?[06:01:15] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-46-190.bix.bellsouth.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[06:04:53] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-46-190.bix.bellsouth.net> has joined #haiku[06:07:27] <Duggan> ugh[06:08:31] <jessicah> what's up Duggan?[06:08:48] <Duggan> trying to fix this stupid driver...[06:08:52] <jessicah> :([06:09:05] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[06:09:06] <Duggan> I have half a mind to just tear it down and use it to make a custom one just for my hardware :P[06:09:12] <jessicah> haha[06:09:29] <Duggan> just rip everything out of it that isn't necessary... that should at least simplify it a bit[06:10:14] <Duggan> and add at least one TRACE for every line of executable code :P[06:11:58] <jessicah> woo, got parameter watching for mute message working :D[06:13:16] <ohnx> jessicah: i blame the bmp parsing[06:13:21] <Duggan> congrats, at least somebody's making some progress :P[06:13:47] <Duggan> the only thing I'm doing is adding to my collection of syslogs... before long I'll have one of each...[06:15:01] <jessicah> :p[06:16:15] <ohnx> lol[06:20:46] <jessicah> bah, I moved some code around and it broke it all[06:21:04] <ohnx> that's life :)[06:21:39] <Duggan> what time is it in France? :P[06:21:51] <ohnx> 6 am[06:22:20] <jessicah> up early or late?[06:23:04] <jessicah> there's a TODO in the code though; maybe I should implement the TODO[06:23:23] <Duggan> jessicah just wondering how long it might be before PulkoMandy starts his Sunday :D[06:23:42] <jessicah> need some wisdom from master?[06:23:43] <jessicah> ;)[06:23:47] <Duggan> yes :P[06:23:48] <ohnx> PulkoMandy: started his sunday in 6 hours ago[06:24:04] <Duggan> ohnx he won't start his Sunday until he rolls out of bed[06:24:24] <ohnx> oh then probably like 12pm[06:24:30] <Duggan> it may BE Sunday there, that doesn't mean he's started it[06:24:34] <Duggan> ohnx probably :P[06:26:35] <jessicah> damnit all ubuntu...[06:26:50] <jessicah> I swear I have to run zerofree on an almost weekly basis[06:27:14] <Duggan> that's what you get for using linux?...[06:27:28] <jessicah> yeah ;([06:27:54] <jessicah> it just completely dies[06:29:21] *** wesbl <wesbl!~wesbl@host196-128-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #haiku[06:29:25] <Duggan> I'm currently looking at the code that retrieves widget information (I'm still trying to figure out exactly what a widget is :P)[06:31:01] *** wesbl <wesbl!~wesbl@host196-128-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[06:32:47] <jessicah> heh[06:35:27] * Duggan sighs.[06:35:51] <Duggan> I'm seriously about to tear this driver apart :/[06:37:40] <jessicah> =/[06:40:59] *** wesbl <wesbl!~wesbl@host196-128-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #haiku[06:42:32] *** wesbl <wesbl!~wesbl@host196-128-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[06:47:18] <Duggan> alright, so we start by deleting all of this.... and make this array of objects, just one object...[06:48:17] <jessicah> :)[06:49:13] <Duggan> compile and find the errors....[06:49:40] <Duggan> take this loop out...[06:50:16] <jessicah> what the, 7pm already?[06:50:24] <jessicah> gah, my sleep cycle is so out of whack[06:52:40] <jessicah> well, that freed up 20GB of unused space in my virtual disk...[06:52:43] <Duggan> 11:52 pm here :P[06:53:02] <Duggan> well that was pretty well pointless :/ the whole array was only referenced in one other place :/[06:53:13] *** wesbl <wesbl!~wesbl@host196-128-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #haiku[06:53:17] <Duggan> alright, now to find more crap to delete :P[06:54:14] <jessicah> ;)[07:02:05] *** wesbl <wesbl!~wesbl@host196-128-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)[07:02:26] *** wesbl <wesbl!~wesbl@host196-128-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #haiku[07:03:45] <jessicah> hmm, how to subclass a control...[07:03:49] * jessicah reads the BeBook[07:03:56] *** wesbl <wesbl!~wesbl@host196-128-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[07:03:57] <Duggan> that was a lot of functions to add TRACE calls to :P[07:04:53] <Duggan> jessicah you can read!?[07:04:56] <Duggan> :P[07:05:03] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[07:05:25] <jessicah> :p[07:05:44] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[07:06:32] <Duggan> why is it everytime I build, I, for some reason, need documentation in french and chinese and God knows what else... I don't even need the documentation in english, much less an up-to-date version :/[07:06:49] <jessicah> mm, yeah, that's in the default build profile[07:06:58] <jessicah> you can remove it, somewhere...[07:07:12] <Duggan> can't we put those in prebuilt packages and download them like all the other programs that come with it? so at least it's cached and isn't rebuilt every time? :/[07:07:43] <jessicah> in build/jam/repositories/Haiku[07:07:47] <jessicah> can comment them out there[07:09:43] <Duggan> thanks[07:09:53] <Duggan> wait... they really need one in Canadian?...[07:11:24] <Duggan> I didn't even know that was a language :/[07:11:47] <Duggan> explains a lot though.... dontcha know, eh?...[07:12:32] <Duggan> brb, gotta add another volume to my syslog collection...[07:12:51] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-46-190.bix.bellsouth.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[07:16:20] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-46-190.bix.bellsouth.net> has joined #haiku[07:21:47] <Duggan> hmmmm I wonder, if I put the old file back and hooked up HDMI, would I get output?...[07:22:07] <Duggan> that would mean the intel codec would be working at leats...[07:22:10] <Duggan> least*[07:23:51] <jessicah> you wouldn't get output, no[07:23:58] <jessicah> digital audio doesn't work[07:25:31] <Duggan> erm.... isn't all audio coming from a computer, by default, digital? :P[07:25:58] <jessicah> uh, no, 3.5mm jacks are analog[07:26:05] <Duggan> I guess that's why I don't have sound :P[07:26:27] <ohnx> canadian is a language[07:26:37] <ohnx> it is french and english combined :([07:26:41] <ohnx> :) *[07:28:09] <Duggan> that's not a language, that's a pidgin :P[07:28:33] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[07:29:55] <jessicah> spelling is different too[07:30:03] <Duggan> huh?[07:30:06] <Duggan> I spelled it right :P[07:30:13] <jessicah> no, I mean canadian[07:30:16] <jessicah> compared to US[07:30:23] <Duggan> oh :P[07:30:37] <jessicah> and then there's local slang that's included[07:30:44] <Duggan> hoser[07:31:03] <jessicah> it's why there's au & nz language variants too[07:31:15] <jessicah> ho-what?[07:31:25] <Duggan> I wasn't talking about you :P[07:31:32] <jessicah> hoser is slang?[07:31:48] <Duggan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoser[07:32:57] <jessicah> weird :p[07:33:03] <Duggan> lol[07:33:23] <Duggan> it's canadian, what do you expect? :P[07:33:35] <jessicah> ;)[07:38:54] <ohnx> i have never heard of that word[07:40:58] <johnny_b> because the bird is the word![07:43:09] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54c3c8c2.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[07:43:33] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[07:47:50] <jessicah> hey johnny_b[07:48:02] <jessicah> now to see how many build errors I've introduced...[07:48:47] <jessicah> heaps....[07:50:40] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[07:51:12] <Duggan> hey johnny_b[07:53:49] <Duggan> no new clones today :([07:53:58] <Duggan> jessicah have you even tried using PIT yet? :P[07:53:59] <Duggan> lol[07:54:16] <jessicah> I tested it :p[07:54:23] <jessicah> created a project, added an issue[07:54:40] <jessicah> anyway, I'm in Windows atm ;)[07:54:45] <Duggan> that's all? :P[07:54:49] <jessicah> yes[07:55:10] <jessicah> when I'm having to scan through lots of code, it's easier in Windows with my dual monitors[07:55:19] <jessicah> make dual monitors work, I'll use Haiku more ;-)[07:55:42] <Duggan> once I get all this other stuff taken care of, I will :P[07:56:13] <jessicah> woot! working :D[07:56:23] <jessicah> my sub-classes all good[07:56:49] <jessicah> now when making changes in desklink's volume control, updates in Media prefs automagically[07:57:03] <jessicah> before, had to at least focus controls in Media preflet before would start live updating[07:57:21] <Duggan> congrats[07:57:46] <Begasus> morning peeps[07:58:13] <Duggan> hey Begasus[07:58:31] <Begasus> hi Duggan, still up and running I see :)[07:58:44] <jessicah> hey Begasus[07:58:53] <Begasus> morning jessicah[07:59:34] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@97-113-235-167.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[07:59:57] *** prOSy_n8Ly <prOSy_n8Ly!~prOSy@p5B035B5A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[08:00:02] <prOSy_n8Ly> hiya[08:00:09] <Begasus> moin prOSy_n8Ly[08:00:12] <Duggan> Begasus no, I took a nap[08:00:14] <Duggan> hey prOSy_n8Ly[08:00:24] <jessicah> hullo prOSy_n8Ly[08:00:32] <jessicah> seems half the channel is waking up? :p[08:00:48] <Begasus> Europe is waking up :P[08:01:35] <Duggan> 2 people = half the channel?.... yeah, I guess that sounds about right :P[08:01:51] <Begasus> ^^[08:02:14] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[08:02:32] <Begasus> well with you and jessicah it makes 2/2[08:02:35] <Begasus> :D[08:03:34] <Duggan> that was my point :P[08:03:47] * Duggan sighs...[08:03:51] <Begasus> thought so :)[08:03:56] <Duggan> drivers are stupid :/[08:04:07] <Duggan> what the hell is a widget!?...[08:04:12] <Begasus> you got your tree back up and running?[08:04:24] <Duggan> tree?[08:04:44] <Begasus> you had some problems with git when I signed of[08:05:00] <Duggan> oh... as far as I know[08:05:05] <Duggan> you mean a few hours ago?[08:05:09] <Begasus> yep[08:05:56] <jessicah> Duggan: a widget is HDA speak[08:05:57] <Duggan> yeah, it was because I forgot that I attempted to update and then rolled back and I hadn't tried to build it again since then... href50800 and those around it (anything including gawk 4.1.4) was broken[08:06:07] <Duggan> jessicah yeah, but what does it mean? what does it represent?[08:06:13] <Duggan> how does it relate to nodes and pins?[08:06:19] <jessicah> pretty sure[08:06:20] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fvtejjzqdygsdzdv> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[08:06:42] <jessicah> maybe you should read the HDA documents from Intel[08:07:05] <jessicah> :p[08:11:58] <Duggan> tell you what, you download it and send it to me[08:12:25] <Duggan> I can't get past the table of contents without bepdf crashing[08:15:14] <jessicah> heh[08:15:48] <jessicah> maybe try DocumentViewer?[08:17:24] <Duggan> give me a few hours to download all the dependencies...[08:19:04] <Duggan> I can tell you it's not going to work[08:19:18] <Duggan> it's not downloading the whole thing... even wget won't get it all[08:19:27] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04d8b7.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[08:19:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[08:19:31] <Duggan> why does this happen to me[08:19:48] <Duggan> why is there ***ALWAYS*** something screwing up that keeps me from accomplishing anything...[08:20:09] <humdinger> invasion not running smoothly, Duggan?[08:20:19] <Duggan> hi humdinger[08:20:54] <jessicah> poor Duggan :([08:21:00] <Duggan> hmmmmm hey humdinger, you're a pro at driver development, right? mind fixing the hda driver so I can have audio?[08:21:09] <Duggan> thanks :D[08:21:14] <humdinger> right... :)[08:21:36] <humdinger> you plan on a musical interpretation of your parsing data?[08:21:42] <Duggan> jessicah, it's not hard to see the crap I deal with, right?......[08:22:18] <Duggan> humdinger no, but listening to music might help me be more productive... not to mention the possibility of watching videos on youtube should I come across some decent tutorials that would be of use[08:22:42] <Begasus> moin humdinger[08:22:52] <humdinger> Funny fact, I sometimes got scans as pdf from one guy that are always displayed empty under Linux. BePDF has no troubles.[08:22:55] <humdinger> hi Begasus![08:23:17] <humdinger> Duggan: surely you have "Discman" hanging around still...[08:23:17] <Duggan> jessicah documentviewer crashed[08:23:33] <Duggan> I think it's in storage[08:23:40] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[08:24:03] <Duggan> I, apparently, am not allowed to accomplish anything :/[08:24:15] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54c3c8c2.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host)[08:24:31] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[08:24:57] <Duggan> who was it that ported clang again?[08:25:05] <Begasus> I hope with the new beta I don't get crashes anymore while building larger projects :/[08:25:33] <humdinger> Duggan: have you tried to convert your pdf with an online tool yet?[08:25:34] <Duggan> was it mmu_man?[08:25:44] <Duggan> humdinger no, and I don't care anymore[08:25:49] <Duggan> it's not my pdf, it's intel's[08:26:18] <Duggan> apparently I don't need audio... oh well, back to other stupid crap that something will be too broke to allow me to finish...[08:26:35] <humdinger> I never tried it, but this is the first hit for my search: https://online2pdf.com/[08:26:37] <Duggan> anybody want to help me write some dev tools? a small team would be nice...[08:26:53] <Duggan> humdinger I appreciate it, but I really don't care[08:26:58] <Duggan> I'm too pissed off to bother with it anymore[08:27:00] <humdinger> Got it[08:27:28] <Duggan> no takers?[08:27:30] <humdinger> I'm unable to convert Visions preferences to layout managment.[08:27:45] <Begasus> not a dev here Duggan ... so probably won't be of much help :)[08:27:45] <humdinger> Apparently, I'm not your man for serious development...[08:27:56] <Duggan> how you figure?[08:28:19] <humdinger> because that smple task has me stumped already.[08:28:27] <Duggan> what simple task?[08:28:33] <Duggan> oh the Vision thing?[08:28:34] <humdinger> Maybe KapiX would be interested.[08:28:42] <humdinger> he has no time though.[08:28:49] <humdinger> but started with his Koder editor.[08:28:52] <Duggan> KapiX probably would be, but he's not here[08:29:18] <humdinger> OH, you want to start "right now".[08:29:24] <Duggan> lol[08:30:17] <Duggan> regardless of when the starting happens, if someone's interested, they're interested, if they're not, they're not[08:30:42] <humdinger> Duggan the Tautologger[08:31:16] <jessicah> :p[08:31:20] <jessicah> sorry, I was reading[08:31:46] <prOSy_n8Ly> router maintenance, brb[08:31:48] *** prOSy_n8Ly <prOSy_n8Ly!~prOSy@p5B035B5A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[08:31:56] <Begasus> if it means trying to port some libs you need ... maybe I could take a look into some, but when it comes down to real developing it's a no go for me :)[08:32:18] <humdinger> don't use that word in front of Duggan![08:32:32] <humdinger> p...p... p.... I can't say it.[08:32:33] <Begasus> lol[08:32:36] <Duggan> hehe[08:33:11] <jessicah> Duggan: maybe you should get a new PC?[08:33:17] <jessicah> my intel board works well (:[08:33:17] <Duggan> I haven't given up on my own parser, it's still a personal goal, but I've given in to the idea that I should use clang... the problem is I can't link to it for some reason[08:33:26] <jessicah> well, I have to blacklist the intel_extreme driver...[08:33:37] <Duggan> jessicah it's always like this... it doesn't matter what computer I use, something will always be broke and unfixable[08:33:39] <jessicah> what's your linker errors?[08:33:48] <Begasus> got the radeon driver blacklisted here[08:34:03] <Duggan> jessicah cstdlib isn't c++11[08:34:06] <jessicah> Duggan: my board is certified to work for everything except intel_extreme :p[08:34:08] <jessicah> there you go[08:34:24] <jessicah> Duggan: oh, right[08:34:33] <jessicah> didn't it say you can define some variable to make it work?[08:35:22] <Duggan> it said something but the way it sounded, it made it sound like it expected me to port the whole header to c++11 (and probably all the standard headers)[08:35:46] <jessicah> I dunno[08:35:53] <jessicah> you could just try doing what it said to do?[08:35:59] <Duggan> just defining something isn't going to fix anything... if anything the header should already have some "#IFDEF __CPP11__" type crap to fix errors like that[08:36:28] <jessicah> maybe[08:36:46] <jessicah> did you even try?[08:36:47] <jessicah> :p[08:36:59] <jessicah> hmm, I should do some exercisering[08:37:06] <jessicah> already 8:30pm...[08:37:52] <Duggan> hold on[08:38:48] <Duggan> I have to reinstall everything...[08:40:54] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has quit IRC (Quit: Getting nvidia graphics going)[08:41:01] <jessicah> I'll be back in about an hour :p[08:46:15] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[08:46:33] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Eating pizza)[08:49:33] *** duvjones <duvjones!~duvjones@172-97-241-184.cpe.distributel.net> has joined #haiku[08:50:16] *** prOSy_n8Ly <prOSy_n8Ly!~prOSy@p5B087CA2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[08:55:49] *** _Dario <_Dario!vision@181.47.131.175> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[09:00:10] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[09:01:03] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[09:01:44] *** dax007 <dax007!ab4f4444@gateway/web/freenode/ip.171.79.68.68> has joined #haiku[09:07:13] <dax007> Hello. I'm Tejpunj Raju. I'm a google code in contestant. I submitted my final task yesterday. I just wanted to say that the past month and a half has been the best learning experience of my life. I learned a lot about git, open sourcing, video making, icon designing, qa test plans over the course of the competition and it would have been possible without you guys over here.[09:07:15] <dax007> I wanted to thank everyone over here for helping me, suggesting changes and making my work better whenever i needed. So, THANK YOU very much. :)[09:07:43] <scottmc> hey dax007[09:08:34] <Duggan> hey dax007... you're welcome to stay, there's plenty still to do :)[09:10:28] <dax007> duggan: yes sir, i'll try my best[09:10:56] <scottmc> dax007 are you going to be back for GCI next year?[09:11:14] <humdinger> dax007: great to hear you enjoyed it that much![09:11:37] <Duggan> scottmc who ported clang? I forgot[09:11:44] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[09:11:52] <humdinger> If you want to continue working, we're always her in this channel and the forums to help.[09:12:13] <humdinger> Duggan: IIRC js did much work inthat department.[09:13:06] <Duggan> website is still broke, so I can't search it...[09:13:35] <scottmc> i see waddlesplash is already starting the cleanup. lots of pending pull requests to go through[09:14:58] <humdinger> Duggan: which website?[09:15:42] *** dax007 <dax007!ab4f4444@gateway/web/freenode/ip.171.79.68.68> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[09:16:31] <Duggan> humdinger www.haiku-os.org[09:17:18] <humdinger> oh, yes. that's new isn't it?[09:17:33] <humdinger> what are you looking for?[09:19:35] <humdinger> Duggan: if you're logged in, you can search from https://www.haiku-os.org/search[09:21:33] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@dslb-188-106-146-066.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[09:22:32] *** duvjones <duvjones!~duvjones@172-97-241-184.cpe.distributel.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Time to.... bye.)[09:22:33] <Duggan> humdinger the site is readonly because of the upgrade... as far as I'm concerned, it's broke :P[09:23:22] <humdinger> yeah, but read-only should do for searching, no?[09:23:45] <Duggan> humdinger nope[09:23:55] <Duggan> readonly disables search.... which means it's broke[09:24:11] <Duggan> it's a feature that doesn't work... and first time visitors of the site will probably not be very understanding[09:24:45] <humdinger> yes. I misunderstood and thought you were trying to search for something.[09:24:55] <Duggan> so I got my program to compile (all it does is instantiate one object) and after about 5 minutes of linking, paladin is reporting just shy of 18000 errors[09:25:18] <Duggan> humdinger I'd love to be able to, but I can't... the site is broke[09:25:41] <Duggan> like searching for clang to try to remind me of who did it.... but I can't...[09:26:05] <humdinger> It was Jonathan Schleifer "js"[09:26:15] <humdinger> better look ere anyway: http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=author&q=jonathan[09:26:37] <humdinger> this works for me https://www.haiku-os.org/search/node/clang[09:26:49] <humdinger> (using https://www.haiku-os.org/search)[09:27:32] <Duggan> alright, well, next time he's around, I'll be sure to ask him how to build a project linking to it... I don't think I've ever seen him say anything in here[09:28:00] <humdinger> he's in the channel. maybe we can wake him up.[09:28:15] * humdinger crows jay esssssss[09:28:17] <Duggan> humdinger he's always here, but he's never around[09:28:51] <Duggan> 17936 errors[09:28:57] <humdinger> you yould try the mailing list.[09:29:03] <Duggan> for two lines of code[09:29:18] <humdinger> yours must be the worst app ever...[09:29:20] <Duggan> CompilerInstance ci; ci.createDiagnostics();[09:30:01] <Duggan> humdinger how about you write a program linking against clang, and when you've got it running, tell me how you did it, alright?[09:30:51] <Duggan> humdinger I don't think you quite understand what I deal with when I work on Haiku...[09:32:06] <Duggan> and right now, I'm just about fed up[09:32:25] <humdinger> I'm only joking, Duggan :)[09:32:30] * humdinger offers a peace cookie[09:32:46] <Duggan> yeah I know, that doesn't make stuff work though[09:33:53] <humdinger> maybe start with a simpler project. How about.... reworking the Vision prefs... :)[09:34:09] <humdinger> while I stomp through the new snow.[09:34:12] <Duggan> the biggest problem, more than anything, is there are no development tools available with any sort of capability of really helping productivity.... there's no way I can debug this on my own quickly without someone that knows what's going on helping.... and, unfortunately, that's usually the case[09:34:52] <Duggan> so the least I can do is try to develop something to help fix that... except I can't even do that[09:35:36] <jessicah> I can try help, Duggan[09:35:43] <Duggan> wb jessicah[09:35:53] <jessicah> I've just finished my exercise, so I'm a bit fatigued atm :p[09:36:11] <jessicah> as far as I know, clang doesn't 100% work, last time I checked, anyway[09:36:15] <jessicah> LLVM does, iirc[09:36:22] <jessicah> but clang is a little bit more of a beast[09:36:32] <Duggan> yeah... something's not right with it...[09:36:40] <Duggan> so am I supposed to resort back to writing my own parser again?[09:36:50] <jessicah> although, we should probably switch to modern libc++ for non-gcc2[09:36:58] <jessicah> Duggan: perhaps? =/[09:37:08] <Duggan> want to help? :P[09:37:31] <jessicah> your parser?[09:37:40] <Duggan> yeah, I need a parser before I can do anything else[09:37:43] <jessicah> not right this minute :p[09:37:49] <jessicah> but sure, can try I suppose[09:38:14] <jessicah> clang/llvm is on my list of things to work on ;)[09:38:20] <jessicah> but it's a large, jumbled list[09:39:05] <Duggan> www.lirmm.fr/~ducour/Doc-objets/ISO+IEC+14882-1998.pdf[09:39:19] <Duggan> I hope I typed that in right...[09:41:37] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[09:42:02] <jessicah> it loaded, so I guess so[09:42:17] <jessicah> I want to get my desklink changes finished :)[09:42:46] <Duggan> do what you've got to do[09:43:42] <jessicah> uh what the... how that file get deleted...[09:44:11] <jessicah> that was odd; somehow accidentally deleted a header... whoops[09:44:23] <jessicah> yay for git checkout -- to bring it back[09:44:32] <jessicah> git so nice to me :)[09:46:15] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[09:50:52] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has joined #haiku[09:54:23] <Duggan> jessicah please be sure to read up on section 2 (Lexical Conventions) and Annex A (most importantly)... and don't forget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_lexer_hack[09:55:53] <Duggan> I didn't actually read the spec until after I had started, so I have to go back and change a lot in the higher level section before the parsing actually happens (there's not exactly a scanner per se... not in the more traditional sense that I'm used to coming from an LL(1) parser background)[09:59:58] <jessicah> ugh, what the heckle[10:06:39] <Duggan> hm?[10:06:53] <Duggan> jessicah what?[10:06:58] <jessicah> the lexer hack[10:07:44] <Duggan> hehe yeah, just need a method to add context, not that big a deal[10:07:55] <OmniMancer> C++ has more ambiguities[10:08:02] <Duggan> hey OmniMancer[10:09:33] <Duggan> the harder problem is knowing when you need context information[10:09:44] <Duggan> getting the information is trivial[10:09:55] <jessicah> hmm, my desklink isn't working still =/[10:11:54] <Duggan> jessicah I assume you've had a compilers class?[10:13:21] <OmniMancer> Duggan: are you writing a C++ parser?[10:14:11] <Duggan> OmniMancer yeah, unless you have an alternative[10:14:18] <Duggan> want to help?[10:14:27] <OmniMancer> for any particular purpose?[10:14:48] <jessicah> Duggan: yes, I've written a compiler before[10:15:44] <Duggan> OmniMancer yes, I'm going to write a server that communicates to clients via BMessages, parses code, stores symbol information in a DB and allows for things like "go to definition" etc[10:16:15] <Duggan> and since it will be a server, it will be exposed to any application (viz: IDE) that can communicate with it[10:17:16] <Duggan> functions such as doxygen like documentation as well as UML diagram generation would be nice to have as well[10:17:24] <OmniMancer> cool[10:17:29] <Duggan> autocomplete, etc, etc, etc[10:17:45] <Duggan> with a tool like that, there would be so many options available for what you could do with it...[10:17:49] <Duggan> so... want to help? :P[10:18:14] <Duggan> jessicah LL or LR?[10:18:23] <jessicah> I don't remember[10:18:27] <jessicah> it was a long time ago[10:18:27] <Duggan> :O[10:18:30] <Duggan> how could you not know? :P[10:18:37] <jessicah> I've done a lexer & parser for IRC[10:18:44] <OmniMancer> not really sorry :/[10:18:49] <jessicah> with ocamllex & ocamlyacc[10:19:02] <jessicah> Duggan: uh, it was for a university paper[10:19:16] <OmniMancer> yacc is normally larl[10:19:16] <Duggan> hmmmmm you know I've been thinking about that for some days, but I completely haven't thought of trying yacc[10:19:18] <OmniMancer> lalr[10:19:25] <jessicah> so that was like... uh, somewhere between 10-15 years ago :p[10:19:43] <Duggan> I mean I've been thinking about it but for some reason didn't think of it as a possible solution to this problem... then again, the ambiguities wouldn't make it easy...[10:19:55] <Duggan> lol[10:22:13] <Duggan> yacc outputs LALR, yeah... might not work[10:24:02] *** xdizzaster <xdizzaster!~xdizzaste@46.108.17.76> has joined #haiku[10:24:16] <Duggan> hej xdizzaster[10:24:24] <xdizzaster> hey[10:25:18] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04d8b7.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[10:30:59] <OmniMancer> bison can do GLR[10:31:17] <OmniMancer> but I'm not sure it can do ambiguous grammars[10:38:07] <Duggan> I wonder if it would be easier to just update x86_64 to c++11...[10:39:33] <Duggan> OmniMancer according to wikipedia, that's what GLR does[10:39:43] <PulkoMandy> well fixing our headers to build with C++11 would be great anyway[10:39:44] <Duggan> nondeterministic and ambiguous grammars[10:39:53] <PulkoMandy> (without breaking C++98 compatibility of course)[10:40:10] <Duggan> PulkoMandy it's coming regardless, might as well get started, right?[10:40:31] <OmniMancer> Duggan: the algorithm can, I'm not sure if the way bison exposes it makes that useful[10:40:34] <Duggan> PulkoMandy well that's why I said x86_64... because it probably will break c++98 compatibility[10:41:06] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@37.37.198.146.dyn.plus.net> has joined #haiku[10:42:16] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@37.37.198.146.dyn.plus.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[10:43:18] <PulkoMandy> I don't see why, it shouldn't be hard to comply with both[10:43:20] <Duggan> OmniMancer bison outputs source, so if that means it gets close, then that's still less work that has to be done... I'm sure there will be some patching up that has to be done afterward, but maybe not so bad?...[10:43:25] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[10:43:29] <PulkoMandy> we already fixed several minor things in many places[10:43:45] <PulkoMandy> and we build WebKit in C++11 so at least some of our headers must be ok[10:43:45] <Duggan> PulkoMandy probably for the same reason clang is crap[10:44:32] <Duggan> I finally got a program that instantiates one object to compile, it took about 5 minutes to link and came back with almost 18000 linker errors...[10:44:40] <Duggan> and I still need a c++ parser :/[10:45:31] <jessicah> PulkoMandy: why do we need c++98?[10:45:32] <Duggan> one object being one object in the clang lib[10:45:45] <Duggan> jessicah backward compatibility (with x86_64 we don't)[10:45:49] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: we still need most of our .h and .cpp in Haiku to build with gcc2[10:45:59] <jessicah> oh I see what you mean[10:46:26] <jessicah> hmm; but for like libstdc++, we could use separate headers for non-gcc2?[10:46:30] <PulkoMandy> yes[10:46:37] <Duggan> if we update x86_64 to c++11, maybe clang will work, and maybe the project as a whole can start to catch up to the curve a little bit[10:46:47] <PulkoMandy> that would be a massive ABI breakage for the gcc4 version, however[10:46:59] <PulkoMandy> which is supposedly ok, but my changes to remove BStringRef were quickly reverted[10:47:28] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: I'm fairly sure clang implements C++98 too[10:47:40] <Duggan> PulkoMandy but it doesn't compile with it[10:47:45] <PulkoMandy> ?[10:47:51] <Duggan> it requires c++11[10:47:58] <PulkoMandy> yes of course, but what's the problem?[10:48:09] <PulkoMandy> webkit also does and I never ran into any issues because of thzat[10:48:36] <Duggan> I have a project that links to it, I tell it to use c++11... clang complains libstdint is messed up, add a #define like it says and the whole thing explodes[10:48:40] <Duggan> it doesn't work[10:48:55] <PulkoMandy> just fix that particular header[10:48:56] <Duggan> 18000 errors for one instantiation and function call[10:49:03] <PulkoMandy> steps to reproduce please?[10:49:13] <Duggan> it's not the header that's broke according to the linker, it's clang[10:49:25] <PulkoMandy> we can also fix that[10:49:25] <Duggan> mind if I spam you the source?[10:49:31] <Duggan> in pm[10:49:36] <PulkoMandy> use sprunge.us or paste.debian.net or whatever[10:49:43] <Duggan> bah no fun[10:49:46] <PulkoMandy> so I don't have to remove your nickname from the start of each line[10:50:08] <PulkoMandy> or try DCC transfers, I should be configured for that to work[10:50:28] <jessicah> Duggan: sprunge is good :)[10:51:08] <Duggan> http://sprunge.us/RRJA[10:51:51] <Duggan> http://sprunge.us/DcCF[10:51:58] <Duggan> first is main.cpp, second is the paladin project[10:52:03] <jessicah> gah; I can't figure out why the messages only seem to go in one direction :([10:52:39] <Duggan> how much of what headers and/or libs are actually required, I have no clue, this was my initial attempts at just being able to do anything with clang[10:53:55] <Duggan> if you want a makefile, I can generate one if necessary[10:57:26] <PulkoMandy> ok, I only see one error that is possibly related to C++ conformance, and I think we aren't even at C++98 level on it[10:57:34] <PulkoMandy> main.cpp:(.text.startup._GLOBAL__sub_I_main.cpp+0x1b): undefined reference to `std::ios_base::Init::Init()'[10:57:35] <PulkoMandy> main.cpp:(.text.startup._GLOBAL__sub_I_main.cpp+0x2b): undefined reference to `std::ios_base::Init::~Init()'[10:57:42] <PulkoMandy> everything else looks clang-specific[10:58:14] <Duggan> 8|[10:58:29] <Duggan> I couldn't look over 18000 errors that fast if my life depended on it[10:58:31] <Duggan> :P[10:58:31] <PulkoMandy> this is with the llvm 3.8.1 package available in haiku gcc2hybrid, which is not even the latest version[10:58:56] <PulkoMandy> http://paste.debian.net/908823/[10:59:03] <PulkoMandy> what I have so far, definitely not 18000 errors[10:59:03] *** xdizzaster <xdizzaster!~xdizzaste@46.108.17.76> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[10:59:03] <Duggan> I'm using 3.9.0 on x86_64[11:01:40] <Duggan> my errors: http://sprunge.us/SfGW[11:02:18] <jessicah> PulkoMandy: in fairness, your change wasn't fully undone; the API removal remained intact[11:02:28] <jessicah> so when compiling, you'll still need to change your code[11:02:29] <PulkoMandy> I think you should try using llvm-config --ldflags to get the lit of lobraries to use[11:02:59] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: yes, but the supposedly "no ABI stability guaranteed" rule apparently isn't real[11:03:16] <PulkoMandy> so, if someone tries to replace the whole STL implementation, I wonder what will happen[11:04:11] <Duggan> PulkoMandy that command printed this: -L/boot/system/develop/lib[11:04:47] <PulkoMandy> mh, right[11:04:50] <PulkoMandy> seems we need more[11:04:52] <PulkoMandy> let's see[11:05:42] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[11:05:57] <PulkoMandy> llvm-config --libs and --system-libs[11:06:57] <Duggan> system-libs -> -lz[11:07:07] <Duggan> but[11:07:28] <Duggan> I did look in the libs directory and there are about 100-200 llvm libs that are not clang that I didn't include so that is probably the problem[11:08:04] <PulkoMandy> yes, start with the ones from --lib and try to add more[11:08:09] <Duggan> didn't notice them before[11:08:19] <Duggan> this will probably take a while...[11:08:23] <PulkoMandy> it will still have some things to say about missing stuff in our STL however[11:14:53] <Duggan> linking...[11:15:23] <jessicah> gah, I don't understand what's going wrong :([11:15:37] <jessicah> desklink notifies media prefs instantly[11:15:48] <Duggan> 116 libs btw (in addition to the clang libs)[11:15:48] <jessicah> but I can't make it work in opposite direction[11:16:03] <jessicah> 116? holy god[11:16:24] <Duggan> 17936 errors, same as before[11:16:27] <Duggan> so that did nothing[11:16:36] *** scottmc <scottmc!~scottmc@c-67-174-194-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[11:16:43] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:16:49] <Duggan> jessicah you think YOU have problems? :/[11:16:57] <Duggan> can we trade?[11:17:16] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[11:17:44] <Duggan> please?[11:18:16] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-iopddfcbfpecjybx> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[11:18:16] <Duggan> wait let me rebuild.... just in case...[11:18:32] <Duggan> linking...[11:18:47] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-ldsxvnfjnlitcidw> has joined #haiku[11:20:22] <Duggan> oh wait.... nope, still 17936 errors[11:21:33] <Duggan> PulkoMandy any ideas?[11:22:06] <PulkoMandy> no, but why do I get much less errors? maybe the newer version of clang is more broken than the older one[11:23:40] <Duggan> not just that, but the fact I'm on 64 bit probably has something to do with it...[11:23:51] <Duggan> the funny thing is, the executables work[11:24:08] <Duggan> I can type in "clang" and "llvm-config" and all that, and it all works...[11:24:17] <Duggan> try to link against it though and it gives you hell[11:25:43] <Duggan> maybe I should just capture the output from the standalone and parse it... I considered that.... it's a serious hack, but that may be the only feasible way to do this :/[11:28:42] <Duggan> the more I think about it, the more I think that may by far be the best way to do it... as long as the command line options don't change, it's version independent plus it keeps executable size low, etc, etc, etc[11:33:53] <Duggan> doesn't look like it does what I need though...[11:35:00] <PulkoMandy> there is a vim plugin called YouCompleteMe which offers completion and diagnostics inside vim, using an independant server[11:35:08] <PulkoMandy> just tried it and it doesn't install on Haiku, however[11:35:16] <Duggan> w00t! -ast-dump :D[11:35:17] <PulkoMandy> but maybe their code provides some inspiration[11:35:44] <Duggan> the server itself is the easy part[11:35:49] <Duggan> the db will take a little work[11:35:56] <Duggan> getting the source parsed, THAT is the hard part[11:45:14] * jessicah sighs[11:45:26] <jessicah> even watching for ALL media server events doesn't work[12:00:44] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[12:03:45] <jessicah> yus, fixed[12:04:30] <jessicah> needed to put StartWatching() into AttachedToWindow() >_<[12:04:31] <jessicah> derp[12:06:23] <PulkoMandy> ah yes, otherwise, you don't have a looper yet to get the messages to you[12:06:30] <jessicah> yeah[12:06:42] <jessicah> I was reading the BMessenger docs, and then was like "aha!"[12:06:42] <PulkoMandy> probably needs a Big Red Warning in the haiku book? (if not there already)[12:06:54] <jessicah> I'm mostly going off the BeBook[12:07:15] <jessicah> the media kit is almost essentially undocumented in the haiku book[12:08:16] <PulkoMandy> yes, but StartWatching is in the application kit :)[12:08:25] <jessicah> and now there's no lag updating the icon between muted & unmuted[12:08:41] <jessicah> no, this is BMediaRoster::StartWatching()[12:09:12] <jessicah> now the volume control won't continually poll the media kit like it used to[12:10:21] <PulkoMandy> why did the media kit implement its own watch/notify system when there is one in the application kit :/[12:10:33] <PulkoMandy> well, another thing to change for R2 I guess[12:10:53] <Duggan> lol[12:11:46] <jessicah> I believe it's because it doesn't need a be_app?[12:12:19] <jessicah> I know Barrett didn't like that there's no BApplication with media kit[12:13:05] <jessicah> anyway, now you can mute/unmute in the volume control or the media prefs, and the other updates instantly :D[12:14:55] *** laama <laama!laama@62.236.253.226> has joined #haiku[12:21:13] <Duggan> can we port clang 5 please?[12:22:18] <PulkoMandy> just update the recipe and fix the problems until it works :>[12:22:55] <Duggan> I don't even know what clang 5 is... there's docs for it, but the current version of clang on their site is 3.9.1[12:25:30] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[12:26:54] <PulkoMandy> not sure how they version things[12:31:42] <jessicah> their docs are usually latest unreleased version[12:31:46] <jessicah> which is a bit weird[12:32:37] <PulkoMandy> well, the haiku book is the same (updated live whenever there is a change to git)[12:32:53] <jessicah> hmm, true...[12:37:05] <Duggan> wooooooooooh!!! http://sprunge.us/WJKA[12:40:32] <jessicah> jeepers[12:40:40] <jessicah> that's a lot to parse...[12:40:54] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[12:42:42] <Duggan> if I can get it to ignore (or not output) included libraries, that'd be a plus[12:44:41] <jessicah> gah; now I need to handle restarting of media server[12:50:35] <jessicah> I wonder why deskbar & tracker sometimes don't start...[12:50:40] <jessicah> there's no errors in syslog[12:50:49] <PulkoMandy> never happens here[12:50:56] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev50868 [4 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=7118f1582e04+%5Efd7a786b06e5[12:50:57] <HAIKU-irker458> 856ecc7b19a4: Repository preferences: style fixes and use BUrl[12:50:58] <HAIKU-irker458> baf9ae1d472d: Input_server: fix archiving of input method replicants[12:50:59] <HAIKU-irker458> a1fdbe5bb219: usb_modeswitch.cpp: fix use after free.[12:51:00] <HAIKU-irker458> 7118f1582e04: ScreenSaver: redraw background of "active corner" screen in more cases.[12:51:03] <jessicah> I think it might be all the tracing in mediakit enabled[12:54:32] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev50869 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=86e8c376053a+%5E7118f1582e04[12:54:33] <HAIKU-irker458> 86e8c376053a: usb_modeswitch: apply changes suggested by korli[13:07:09] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-082-149-190-086.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined #haiku[13:07:09] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[13:12:12] *** savant_d <savant_d!~savant@178.162.117.40> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[13:12:29] *** savant_d <savant_d!~savant@178.162.117.40> has joined #haiku[13:13:14] <miqlas-H64> PulkoMandy: any news about KiCAD?[13:14:37] <PulkoMandy> no, no time :)[13:14:46] <PulkoMandy> and we should be preparing the ideas list for GSoC already…[13:15:34] <miqlas-H64> oh,it depends on wxwidgets, then no dice for me.[13:17:38] <jessicah> do we have any new ideas?[13:18:49] <jessicah> Duggan: maybe you could have a student working on your DRM project?[13:22:40] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[13:23:29] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3241 of haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/3241[13:30:10] <Duggan> jessicah maybe if they have experience with that sort of thing... I'm hoping to get these tools put together so larger systems can be better documented and their interfaces better understood[13:30:57] <jessicah> well, they're uni students... so, uh, probably not?[13:31:04] <jessicah> but it's a person to do work for you :p[13:31:40] <Duggan> lol maybe, we'll see[13:32:16] <Duggan> if I provided them with some docs, maybe they'd stand a chance[13:33:08] <jessicah> ;)[13:33:24] <jessicah> well, a student has to want to work on it too[13:33:35] <miqlas-H64> PulkoMandy: we should stop porting things and start to work on neural networks. We should create or take a neural network code, and train it to port things for us. It is like giving candy for a chile if it does something good. So it will port stuff for us for candy. What do you think?[13:33:49] <jessicah> hahaha[13:34:36] <Duggan> maybe I'm just stupid... but that whole system is pretty hard to grasp, and that's even after months of studying it (even years ago when I had studied it more than now)[13:34:54] <Duggan> (I'm trying not to laugh, I really am....)[13:37:15] <miqlas-H64> We need just plenty computing power. Thetraining would be: the longer the compilation process going, the better is... Easy! I ve seen, somebody made it with supermario, so it couldn't be impossible. Actually that's why i'm porting BLAS and fortran and stuff.[13:39:36] <miqlas-H64> actually it could write drivers for us too.[13:40:02] <miqlas-H64> Haiku could be the first neural-network programmed OS[13:40:27] <miqlas-H64> Why we don't do that? JLG would be happy to see it[13:40:54] <Duggan> actually, it wouldn't be the first[13:42:06] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[13:42:08] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@46.242.9.99> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[13:42:14] <miqlas-H64> Is there really OS what programmed by neural net?[13:42:34] <Duggan> there have been research operating systems that have been I believe[13:43:00] <Duggan> hell, I thought of the idea about 15 years ago, so obviously someone's thought of it before that... but I'm pretty sure I read about them at some point[13:43:39] <Duggan> how do you define a metric of success?[13:43:47] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-9-99.moscow.rt.ru> has joined #haiku[13:46:40] <jessicah> yay, now it works after restarting media services...[13:47:29] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3300 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/3300[13:50:39] <jessicah> builds would be so much faster if it didn't have to do the catalog stuff every single time... =/[13:51:50] <Duggan> congrats :)[13:55:38] <jessicah> now just trying to figure out what's actually essential...[13:58:02] <PulkoMandy> I don't know why it's redoing all the catalogs[13:58:34] <PulkoMandy> it shouldn't need to, as long as the sourcecode doesn't change[13:59:54] <miqlas-H64> Duggan: the less error, the bigger success is. Or isnt?[14:00:34] <miqlas-H64> it would be nice to watch how it tries to compile hello.c with autotools...[14:01:23] <PulkoMandy> miqlas-H64: if you start with neural networks, I'd say make them write native code rather than porting?[14:01:38] <jessicah> that's weird; media preflet didn't restart media_server[14:02:06] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[14:03:03] <jessicah> had to restart it with launch_roster[14:03:23] <jessicah> and launch_roster wouldn't stop the media_server either...[14:03:28] <jessicah> had to kill with process controller[14:06:14] <jessicah> but if do stop, then restart media services in the preflet, it doesn't start again...[14:06:17] <jessicah> weeeiiiirrrd[14:07:56] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@101.100.137.239> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[14:10:49] *** hako_ <hako_!~hako@2a01:388:394:112::1:8> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[14:17:54] <Diver> Something happened to People app, Grey stripe changed, I think it used to look different[14:19:34] <Duggan> miqlas-H64 an infinite loop produces no errors, but I wouldn't call that very successful, generally speaking[14:19:57] <PulkoMandy> Diver: right, looks like someone added spacing at the wrong place?[14:20:02] *** illwieckz_ <illwieckz_!~illwieckz@37.169.108.234> has joined #haiku[14:20:06] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[14:20:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[14:20:37] <Diver> PulkoMandy: http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/src/apps/people?id=d0ac609964842f8cdb6d54b3c539c6c15293e172[14:20:43] <Diver> maybe this commit?[14:21:04] <Diver> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/src/apps/people[14:22:55] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[14:26:22] <PulkoMandy> yes[14:26:52] <PulkoMandy> this removed the spacing between the stripe and the window edge[14:30:28] <Diver> More than a year ago![14:42:01] <jessicah> hmm, if trying to change the volume control to use physical output fails, should it pop up an alert?[14:42:09] <jessicah> I feel like it should, instead of quietly failing[14:48:47] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: barrett * hrev50870 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=2c9fa0f27877+%5E86e8c376053a[14:48:48] <HAIKU-irker458> 2c9fa0f27877: MediaClientNode: Schedule outgoing connections on start[14:50:52] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[14:54:32] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-188-106-146-066.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[14:58:35] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3362 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2 is complete: Failure [failed jam @minimum-raw] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2/builds/3362 blamelist: Dario Casalinuovo <b.vitruvio at gmail dot com>[14:59:08] <Barrett> !notme apparently[15:02:07] <jessicah> the infamous 'Failed to create attribute "BEOS:TYPE" of file "lib": Unknown error -1'[15:03:27] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev50871 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=d63ed5844d99+%5E2c9fa0f27877[15:03:28] <HAIKU-irker458> d63ed5844d99: People: revert window spacing changes[15:03:51] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3242 of haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/3242 blamelist: Dario Casalinuovo <b.vitruvio at gmail dot com>[15:05:02] <Barrett> jessicah, since years that error is a plague[15:05:12] <Diver> PulkoMandy: thanks! :)[15:07:58] <PulkoMandy> no problem, this was an easy fix :)[15:08:42] <PulkoMandy> Barrett: it seems no one is really interested in fixing it. Maybe we should just remove that "xattr emulation" and ask everyone to use at least --use-xattr-ref, which should work even with ext4[15:15:34] <HAIKU-irker458> jessicah-github.desklink: [2 commits] https://github.com/jessicah/haiku/compare/0988c65d4727...bf1e9de5641b[15:15:35] <HAIKU-irker458> 4f581d85c815: DefaultMediaTheme: improve watching for parameter value changes.[15:15:36] <HAIKU-irker458> bf1e9de5641b: desklink: use media_server notifications instead of polling.[15:16:34] <jessicah> I don't specify any xattr option to configure in my VM[15:16:42] <jessicah> never seen that error crop up[15:16:47] <jessicah> and am on ext4[15:17:03] <jessicah> which I'm guessing makes it use full emulation[15:19:24] <PulkoMandy> full emulation is the default if you don't specify anything[15:19:51] <PulkoMandy> probably also depends on some other things (amount of -j, hdd speed, whatever)[15:20:06] <jessicah> what's the keyboard shortcut to enter KDL?[15:20:24] <PulkoMandy> alt + sysrq + D[15:20:34] <PulkoMandy> (sysrq is usually print screen)[15:21:29] <Barrett> PulkoMandy, why not at least use it in bots?[15:21:54] <PulkoMandy> Barrett: some bots do[15:22:05] <PulkoMandy> the idea of the bots is to have some coverage of various build setups[15:22:14] <PulkoMandy> so if we don't want to get this working, we remove it completely[15:22:20] <PulkoMandy> not just stop testing it in the buildbots[15:22:38] <Barrett> generally I find annoying to open that page every time[15:26:41] <PulkoMandy> yes, but we should make our build reliable: either fix the problems with xattr emulation, or if no one is interested, just drop the possibility from the build[15:27:22] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begasus@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[15:28:10] <Begasus> k, running Haiku in VirtualBox atm :)[15:28:14] <Begasus> 'lo peeps :D[15:28:33] <jessicah> hello again Begasus[15:28:47] <jessicah> PulkoMandy: probably best to just remove it[15:28:52] *** xdizzaster <xdizzaster!~xdizzaste@46.108.17.76> has joined #haiku[15:29:00] <Barrett> the new default font make haiku looks more beos-ish[15:29:02] <Barrett> IMHO[15:29:14] <jessicah> the height is weird at small font size[15:29:19] <jessicah> increasing font size, looks more regular[15:29:32] <jessicah> the anti-aliasing seems to be the cause of the weird height[15:38:46] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3363 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2/builds/3363[15:39:39] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3399 of haiku-master-arm is complete: Failure [failed jam @minimum-mmc] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-arm/builds/3399 blamelist: Adrien Destugues <pulkomandy at pulkomandy dot tk>[15:44:53] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[15:47:31] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begasus@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[15:48:54] <jessicah> well, I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing, but replicated the no desktop on master branch[15:49:07] <jessicah> so not related to my desklink work :)[15:52:42] *** fujisan <fujisan!uid4207@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ncybxzvdleoedcqb> has joined #haiku[15:54:25] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begasus@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[15:54:55] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[15:55:27] *** pimenta <pimenta!~lamp@177.182.224.82> has joined #haiku[15:55:55] <Premislaus> Hello! My friend from internet has some concerns about current Haiku font rendering. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/92245884/Haiku%20OS/Haiku-Main.menu-Font-Dejavu-50610_x86-vs-50867_x86_64.png[15:57:14] <Premislaus> https://s32.postimg.org/el022dojp/freetype_264_hinting_comparison.png?noredir=1[15:57:36] <Premislaus> It does not work as above?[15:58:12] <Premislaus> He wrote me too, that Noto does not work with Midnight Commander[15:59:07] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@dslb-188-106-146-066.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[16:00:42] <Begasus> step 2 ... enabled virtual stuff in the bios to be able to use more then one cpu in VBox[16:00:51] <jessicah> :)[16:01:46] <Begasus> who is in charge of the Dutch translations? ;)[16:02:04] <Diver> Begasus: 2 cpus cause KDL after some time in vbox here[16:02:14] <Begasus> Applications = Toepassingen[16:02:29] <Begasus> eeps, maybe I should set it to 3 or 4 then Diver?[16:02:53] <Diver> same thing[16:03:05] <Diver> kdl with >= 2 cpus[16:03:11] <Begasus> ok, will leave it as is atm :)[16:03:42] <Begasus> well native it just turns of the power when trying to build larger projects :/[16:04:14] <Begasus> if I would get a KDL maybe I could atleast get some info on it ...[16:04:33] <Diver> can't fine the ticket for it tho[16:05:09] <Begasus> no biggy here :)[16:05:24] <Begasus> so ... let's see if we can pull the haikuports sources :)[16:05:48] *** xdizzaster <xdizzaster!~xdizzaste@46.108.17.76> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:06:20] <Begasus> Vision, Terminal, WebPositive (Qupzilla) ... those need to be on my Desktop :)[16:08:15] <Begasus> hmm ... pkgman gives me an error when trying to install qupzilla ...[16:09:38] <Begasus> ~> pkgman install libsdl_devel[16:09:39] <Begasus> Downloading repochecksum-1...done.[16:09:39] <Begasus> Validating checksum for Haiku...done.[16:09:40] <Begasus> Downloading repocache-2...done.[16:09:41] <Begasus> Checksum error:[16:09:41] <Begasus> *** expected '<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>[16:09:42] <Begasus> *** <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-/'[16:09:42] <Begasus> *** got 'e49d399c4740a8de7404a2c9c3885357706f6e1e0a93328740df11dcd7ba0a5c'*** aborted : No Error (1701273973)[16:11:55] <Begasus> nm ... found it :)[16:16:23] <jessicah> I use four virtual cpu with virtualbox without any problems[16:17:10] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.69.160.11.mobile.tre.se> has joined #haiku[16:17:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[16:17:11] <jessicah> but I'm running win10[16:17:53] <Begasus> tsss :P[16:18:22] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zknnoekmgkruunbd> has joined #haiku[16:18:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[16:18:31] <jessicah> tqh: the problem with partitions was my missed commit[16:18:32] <Begasus> aside from work I'm windows free for several years :P[16:18:51] <jessicah> is it working for you now?[16:19:04] * waddlesplash is also running Win10[16:19:11] <Begasus> yeah, running ubuntu for several years here as my main OS[16:20:14] <Begasus> less fuzz with updates on the system ;)[16:20:39] <jessicah> ubuntu server runs in vm here :p[16:20:46] <Begasus> well ... it works for me (at home) :)[16:20:56] <jessicah> no stupid linux desktop :p[16:21:06] <Begasus> for servers I used to have Debian servers :)[16:21:22] <jessicah> if I want an alternative desktop, haiku is the only choice[16:22:40] <Begasus> if you don't want to run windows (on regular hardware) linux is the only option imho at this point, Haiku comes in as a nice side project[16:22:51] <jessicah> well, think I'll try sleep now; sun will be up soon[16:23:08] <Begasus> ah right :D[16:23:12] <jessicah> well I paid for windows... so yeah[16:23:20] <Begasus> g'night jessicah :)[16:23:31] <jessicah> goodnight (:[16:24:01] *** punsith <punsith!44834d22@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.131.77.34> has joined #haiku[16:24:38] *** Alam_Squeeze <Alam_Squeeze!quasselcor@rigginstereo.lawarias.srb2.org> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[16:34:24] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:41:47] *** mixomathoze <mixomathoze!~mixomatho@33.11-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be> has joined #haiku[16:45:18] <Begasus> k ... minimum setup in VBox is done ... switching off in a bit and then will do a backup on the base install :)[16:45:31] <Begasus> hi mixomathoze! another Belgium :D[16:45:53] *** KapiX <KapiX!~kacper@89-65-138-76.dynamic.chello.pl> has joined #haiku[16:46:45] <KapiX> hi all[16:46:53] <KapiX> PulkoMandy could you have a look? https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/7330#comment:22[16:46:55] <Begasus> hi KapiX :)[16:46:59] <punsith> begasus i am still strugling to remove the hexvexed thing from my PR , I even goto the file and try to delete it then github says link is broken[16:48:18] <Begasus> punsith ... not a git expert here, but did you try to remove hexvexed and then do a "git commit --amend"?[16:48:28] *** pimenta <pimenta!~lamp@177.182.224.82> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:49:00] *** Alam_Lenny <Alam_Lenny!quasselcor@rigginstereo.lawarias.srb2.org> has joined #haiku[16:51:23] <punsith> yes i removed them but PR still shows them , but i cant open them[16:51:36] <punsith> when i open it git says link is broken[16:51:44] <punsith> begasus[16:52:09] <punsith> https://github.com/punsith/haikuports/edit/porter/hexvexed-0.0.1.recipe?pr=/haikuports/haikuports/pull/1057[16:52:13] <punsith> like this one[16:52:58] <PulkoMandy> KapiX: nice :)[16:53:28] <KapiX> PulkoMandy I take that as "tabs look fine, clean up the patch now"?[16:53:49] <PulkoMandy> I see that the "bottom" and "right" tabs have the light side of the gradient next to the tab contents, that looks a bit strange[16:53:55] <PulkoMandy> but not sure what we can do[16:54:21] <PulkoMandy> well, we need an enum for the "orientation" (unless we reuse B_*_BORDER), other than that, I'm not sure we can make it much simpler[16:55:31] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04d8b7.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[16:55:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[16:56:14] <KapiX> I noticed that light border too, but I'd say it should stay that way[16:56:37] <KapiX> I could try to crop it, but then the "lighting" might look weird, inconsistent[16:57:22] <PulkoMandy> yes, not sure what the right way would be for this[16:57:44] <PulkoMandy> maybe flip the gradient vertically/horizontally? not sure if that would look right[16:58:24] <KapiX> no, it's not a problem with the gradient[16:58:55] <PulkoMandy> if we apply the strict rules ("light" comes from window top left), and suppose the tabs are non-flat, then the top/left ones should be light, and the right/bottom ones should be dark ("shadow" by the tab area content whoch would be "above" them)[16:59:04] <PulkoMandy> but, not sure if that would look right either[16:59:40] <KapiX> this is how it is already[17:00:30] <Begasus> 404 here punsith[17:00:47] <PulkoMandy> KapiX: mh… I see the gradient doesn't rotate at all[17:00:59] <PulkoMandy> it is always light on the top, dark on the bottom[17:01:06] <PulkoMandy> even for "sideways" tabs[17:01:20] <KapiX> oh, you mean gradient, I thought you were talking about edges[17:01:47] <KapiX> yeah, gradients are not rotated[17:02:45] <PulkoMandy> also, the border for left-side tab is missing 1 pixel at right top of the tab[17:03:46] <Begasus> did you remove hexvexed in your branch und pushed it to git again punsith?[17:03:56] <Begasus> it still shows up in the pr[17:04:21] <KapiX> PulkoMandy where?[17:04:40] <KapiX> its covered by the light edge[17:04:57] <KapiX> in the same way as in normal tab's left bottom corner[17:05:15] <PulkoMandy> ah yes, right[17:05:28] <KapiX> really all I did was reshuffling of already existing drawing functions[17:05:34] <KapiX> + fixing one of them[17:05:48] <Begasus> biab[17:05:59] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begasus@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[17:06:34] *** Alam_Lenny <Alam_Lenny!quasselcor@rigginstereo.lawarias.srb2.org> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[17:07:18] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begasus@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[17:07:19] <punsith> yes[17:07:25] <Begasus> re[17:07:50] <punsith> begasus i deleated this and make a new PR[17:08:05] <punsith> and also this is my 2nd pr on this subject[17:08:22] <Begasus> looks like hexvexed is still stuck in your history of git then punsith[17:09:03] <punsith> is their a way to remove it :/[17:10:07] <Begasus> you have a seperate branch for this pr?[17:10:40] <punsith> begasus yes ,[17:11:07] <KapiX> PulkoMandy do you want the gradients to rotate? I want to finish the patch and then close the ticket, as I won't have much more time in the coming days/months[17:11:12] <Begasus> does "git branch" tell you you are in the right branch punsith?[17:11:32] <punsith> yes begasus[17:12:00] <Begasus> could be that your master is not in par with the remote master (haikuports) when hexvexed was merged?[17:12:47] <punsith> sorry i dint get it :([17:13:13] <Begasus> before you created the branch did you check "git status"?[17:13:44] <punsith> no[17:15:07] <Begasus> it 'could' be that you still had hexvexed not being resolved in your master when you created the new branch then, it probably would explain why it's added to the pr ...[17:15:35] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has joined #haiku[17:15:43] <Begasus> 'lo Stephanie[17:15:52] <Stephanie> Hi![17:16:18] <Begasus> you got some comments on the pr Stephanie :)[17:16:28] <Stephanie> Yup, thanks[17:16:34] <Stephanie> Just finished them and am testing again[17:16:43] <Begasus> great![17:16:53] <Stephanie> Arghhh forgot about the apache bad data, can't build anything now[17:16:58] <PulkoMandy> KapiX: I don't know, I think we need to try and compare the two options (rotated/not rotated) in an actual app and then we can decide[17:17:01] <Begasus> bugger :/[17:17:02] <punsith> begasus will i make the pr again[17:17:17] <PulkoMandy> I'm ok with the way it is now and seeing if it looks strange in an app later on, we can change it again[17:17:32] <Begasus> close this one punsith, delete the remote branch also before creating a new pr[17:17:49] <Begasus> but make sure you have your data backed up :)[17:18:08] <punsith> okay i will :)[17:18:11] <KapiX> ok, then I will work on PowerStatus now[17:18:58] <Stephanie> Has anyone else encountered the "Bad data" error when building with hp and it's repopulating the repository?[17:19:06] <Begasus> Stephanie ... running Haiku in VBox atm, I first did an install, then did basic install for haikuporter/haikuports and then cloned the vertual machine, it helps in times of fall back :)[17:19:14] <Begasus> yep[17:19:36] <Begasus> well ... bad data*[17:20:30] <Begasus> they are probably somewhere in your source tree right Stephanie?[17:20:37] <Stephanie> apache?[17:20:55] <Begasus> grabbing lbreakout2-2.6.5-2-x86_gcc2.hpkg and moving it to /boot/home/haikuports/packages/lbreakout2-2.6.5-2-x86_gcc2.hpkg[17:21:04] <Begasus> k ... that worked ok here :)[17:21:06] *** Barrett_ <Barrett_!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[17:21:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett_[17:21:41] <Begasus> no Stephanie ... bad data usualy ocours here when for instance I'm trying to build freeciv and the system crashes on me[17:22:07] <Stephanie> Oh ok[17:22:12] <Begasus> stuff ended up in the subfolders .debs are bogus and I need to delete them before it goes on ...[17:22:29] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:22:34] <Stephanie> Oh so I delete .debs that were made and rebuild?[17:22:47] <humdinger> hullo.[17:22:54] <Begasus> I usualy delete/move the files yes :)[17:22:57] <Begasus> humdinger![17:22:59] <Stephanie> Hi humdinger![17:23:23] <humdinger> If someone used an ISO image in VirtualBox, is everything read-only or not?[17:23:31] *** Begasus is now known as VBegasus[17:24:00] <VBegasus> errr ... I installed earlier using a iso image with VBox here humdinger[17:24:04] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: you mean the Haiku live CD? in that case, we have the "write_overlay", so you can do things, but then everything is lost on reboot[17:24:40] <humdinger> aha. mabe that is this student's issue: https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/6457497768427520/[17:26:19] <humdinger> however, since he's been wotking on his icons for days, he'd exprienced that sooner, I guess...[17:26:29] <humdinger> *working[17:26:51] *** VBegasus is now known as Begasus[17:28:01] <Stephanie> Begasus where would the data be found? Searching doesn't bring up anything[17:28:37] <Begasus> running hp should give you an indication on where it stops Stephanie ...[17:28:54] <Begasus> but that probably doesn't solve your apache problem :/[17:29:04] <Stephanie> It tells me it's in the apache work dir, but a work dir was not made.[17:30:04] <Stephanie> I'll just move to a different vm for now and see if that works[17:31:34] <Begasus> or you could do as I did before, create a default install, install all that's needed to get you started, and then clone that one to work on, if anything fails you can still create a new clone :)[17:33:19] <Stephanie> What is a default install?[17:34:06] <Begasus> hmmm ... wasn't that one of the assignments at GCI?[17:36:06] <Stephanie> Maybe, I may have not done it, known it by a different name, or knowing me, I forgot it :P[17:36:41] <Begasus> hehe[17:36:57] <Begasus> well you have installed Haiku in VMware or VBox did you?[17:37:09] <Stephanie> Yes[17:37:13] <Begasus> Error: freeciv_x86 not found in repository?[17:37:24] <Begasus> k, that's a default install to me :)[17:37:28] <Stephanie> Ohhh[17:37:47] <tqh> jessicah, I havn't checked, so will just ask. Do you filter duplicate devicepath entries? And the partition selection, does it still allow MBR disks?[17:38:16] <tqh> I mean non GPT partitions.[17:38:47] <Begasus> after the installation I installed haikuporter through pkgman, and then git cloned haikuports Stephanie ... after that shutdown and clone the virtual machine :)[17:39:04] <Stephanie> Clone the virtual machine?[17:39:07] <Begasus> yep[17:39:14] <Stephanie> Oh never noticed the clone button...[17:39:30] <Begasus> it creates a dublicate of the original one[17:39:52] <Begasus> if things go wrong you delete the clone and create a new one from the original :)[17:40:11] <Stephanie> Ah ok[17:40:41] <Begasus> ps, always make sure to make backup of your work in case it needs be :)[17:40:59] <Stephanie> Alright, thanks :D[17:41:07] <Begasus> np[17:42:59] <Begasus> ~> hp freeciv_x86[17:42:59] <Begasus> Checking if any package-infos need to be updated ...[17:43:00] <Begasus> Looking for stale dependency-infos ...[17:43:00] <Begasus> Error: freeciv_x86 not found in repository[17:43:08] <Begasus> what is wrong here??[17:43:58] <Begasus> also "pkgman search freeciv" doesn't give me anything?[17:46:10] <Stephanie> I get that for everything I've tried except rocksndiamonds_x86[17:48:02] <Premislaus> tqh: What do you think about my issue - https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13200 ??[17:48:14] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-ldsxvnfjnlitcidw> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[17:48:25] <Begasus> just checked ... grabbed a x86_gcc2 hybrid, so that should be ok ...[17:48:25] <Premislaus> tqh: Haiku bootloader do not see any of Haiku partitions.[17:49:14] *** KapiX <KapiX!~kacper@89-65-138-76.dynamic.chello.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: KapiX)[17:49:43] <tqh> Premislaus, which bootloader?[17:49:50] <Premislaus> Haiku bootloader[17:50:18] <Premislaus> tqh: Check the YouTube link from ticket.[17:51:27] <Premislaus> tqh: I burned CD with Haiku ISO and I can boot on laptop with Bay Trail, but I must set "fail safe video", and booting is very slow, and when I press "Boot to desktop" nothing happens.[17:51:56] <Begasus> hmmm ... seems I can build sdl_image but not sdl_image_x86?[17:52:01] <Premislaus> tqh: On my laptop with AMD APU I don't have working DVD.[17:52:49] <Begasus> err ... probably need to update my haikuportsconf file I think ;)[17:53:06] <tqh> Ah, I use Qemu and give it my real drive to install, as I have no cd.[17:54:06] <Premislaus> tqh: Booting from USB is not working on my machines.[17:54:43] <tqh> Well I would guess there is some issue with your SATA chipset.[17:55:45] <Premislaus> On two different laptops?[17:55:55] <Premislaus> Alpha4 boots fine.[17:56:47] <Premislaus> Linux and Windows installer boots good - from EFI.[17:57:46] <Premislaus> I think the hardware is the last in this case.[17:57:56] <tqh> Well, have you managed to boot on any laptop? Might be your procedure. And I think you should be able to boot from USB.[17:58:07] <Premislaus> From USB no[17:58:27] <Premislaus> From CD on One, but when I press "boot to desktop" - nothing happens.[17:58:39] <tqh> Some laptops require partions on usb stick, others don't but still havn't seen one that doesn't boot usb at all.[17:59:37] <Premislaus> Check ticket, I described with details.[17:59:42] <tqh> I actually have the same BIOS and it boots from USB.[17:59:46] <Premislaus> There is a partition.[18:00:01] <Premislaus> on flash stick[18:01:55] <Premislaus> From USB I can boot to Alpha4, no to recent hrevs.[18:02:58] <tqh> do you build yourself or download nightly.[18:03:26] <Premislaus> Downloading.[18:03:41] <tqh> and you verified checksum?[18:03:57] <Premislaus> yes[18:05:17] <humdinger> does anyone know (has the permissions) to move wiki pages at Trac?[18:05:22] <tqh> And you tested on different usb-sticks?[18:06:06] <humdinger> Looking at https://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/TitleIndex "GoogleCodeInTaskHDS" should be under Google/CodeIn/Task[18:06:06] <Begasus> # Default is no secondary target architectures. ... why not set a secondary arch to begin with?[18:06:41] <Premislaus> tgh: No because I have only one. But I can boot from it to Linux.[18:06:55] <Premislaus> I zeroed this pendrive.[18:08:25] <Premislaus> I have pictures of bootlog in ticket.[18:08:27] <tqh> and you are sure it is not a USB3 port?[18:08:42] <Premislaus> No i USB 2.0 - black color ;).[18:08:54] <Premislaus> *is[18:09:41] <Begasus> ok ... that worked :)[18:10:55] <tqh> But the laptop has USB3?[18:11:09] <Premislaus> Yes.[18:11:22] <Premislaus> USB 3.0 has blue colors.[18:11:39] <tqh> Probably USB-stack lacks support for your computer.[18:12:24] <Premislaus> Check DMI decode form ticket.[18:12:53] <Premislaus> tqh: " USB legacy is supported"[18:13:02] <Premislaus> tqh: https://dev.haiku-os.org/attachment/ticket/13200/dmidecode.txt[18:13:48] <tqh> Doesn't matter, it still needs to support your controller. I think you need to talk to someone with better knowledge of USB stack.[18:14:10] <tqh> and since you are using an AMD APU I think it's a very untested chipset.[18:14:43] <Premislaus> Bay Trail also don't want to boot from USB 2.0.[18:15:33] <Premislaus> *doesn't[18:16:59] <tqh> You need to talk to someone with better knowledge of USB stack. I can't help with that.[18:17:49] <Premislaus> mmlr? He does not appear on the IRC channel.[18:19:41] <tqh> don't know.[18:23:28] *** ignacio is now known as DevSome1thing[18:23:30] *** DevSome1thing is now known as ignacio[18:25:58] <PulkoMandy> there aren't many different chipsets for USB2, everything is standard with EHCI[18:26:25] <PulkoMandy> and sometimes UHCI for USB1, but that tends to disappear in modern hardware (the USB2 hardware can do "rate matching" so there is no need for a separate USB1 anymore)[18:26:40] <PulkoMandy> for USB3 things are a bit less stable for now, but eventually it should be a single driver[18:27:05] <PulkoMandy> anyway, tqh is right, the trick to install from qemu to your real hd could work, then you can boot from there[18:27:10] <PulkoMandy> if it is only an USB problem[18:34:26] *** fujisan <fujisan!uid4207@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ncybxzvdleoedcqb> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[18:35:38] *** wesbl <wesbl!~wesbl@host196-128-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #haiku[18:43:46] *** wesbl <wesbl!~wesbl@host196-128-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)[18:44:03] <Begasus> so far building in VBox is more stable then native?[18:48:53] <Begasus> libtool: link: cannot find the library `/packages/libsdl_x86-1.2.15-5/.self/develop/lib/x86/libSDL.la' or unhandled argument `/packages/libsdl_x86-1.2.15-5/.self/develop/lib/x86/libSDL.la'[18:49:08] <Begasus> hmm seems this is not fixed yet ...[19:04:07] <Begasus> bbl[19:04:09] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begasus@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[19:05:14] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04d8b7.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[19:06:42] *** illwieckz_ <illwieckz_!~illwieckz@37.169.108.234> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[19:06:48] *** ignacio <ignacio!ignacio@unaffiliated/ignacio> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.6.3+deb1 - http://znc.in)[19:07:13] *** maxxcan <maxxcan!~maxxcan@178.156.59.66> has joined #haiku[19:07:29] *** ignacio <ignacio!ignacio@sunjammer.sugarlabs.org> has joined #haiku[19:07:29] *** ignacio <ignacio!ignacio@sunjammer.sugarlabs.org> has quit IRC (Changing host)[19:07:29] *** ignacio <ignacio!ignacio@unaffiliated/ignacio> has joined #haiku[19:12:34] <prOSy_n8Ly> bye[19:12:36] *** prOSy_n8Ly <prOSy_n8Ly!~prOSy@p5B087CA2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[19:13:03] *** tresh <tresh!~vision@92.188.49.69> has joined #haiku[19:13:06] <punsith> bye[19:13:12] *** punsith <punsith!44834d22@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.131.77.34> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[19:17:09] *** Guma <Guma!~Guma@2601:249:301:6a33:d00d:380f:b350:b48e> has joined #haiku[19:19:07] *** illwieckz_ <illwieckz_!~illwieckz@AToulon-256-1-159-178.w83-113.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #haiku[19:19:29] *** joacim_ <joacim_!~joacim@78.108.60.252> has joined #haiku[19:27:09] <Premislaus> Haiu contains in itself microcode for CPU?[19:29:42] *** maxxcan <maxxcan!~maxxcan@178.156.59.66> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[19:30:22] <Premislaus> *Haiku[19:31:24] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: barrett * hrev50872 [3 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=fdfd8a502e8d+%5Ed63ed5844d99[19:31:25] <HAIKU-irker458> 728c730c458f: MediaClientNode: Fix little night's mixup[19:31:26] <HAIKU-irker458> 550e05af20ef: MediaClient: Start/Stop force argument doesn't make sense[19:31:27] <HAIKU-irker458> fdfd8a502e8d: General MediaClient cleanup[19:39:39] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3400 of haiku-master-arm is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-arm/builds/3400[19:41:54] *** maxxcan <maxxcan!~maxxcan@178.156.59.66> has joined #haiku[19:51:32] *** maxxcan <maxxcan!~maxxcan@178.156.59.66> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[19:51:50] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[19:55:13] <joacim_> Hi guys what's the status on wifi support in the nightly builds? Downloaded and installed the latest one today. works pretty OK on my T440S (gfx card and trackpad has issues). the wifi chipset seems to be undetected though.[19:56:55] <Premislaus> joacim_: Sometimes you must download firmware.[19:57:23] <Premislaus> joacim_: https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks/wireless[19:57:57] <joacim_> Premislaus: Thanks! Will have a look![19:58:00] <Premislaus> joacim_: With gfx try "fails safe video" in Haiku bootloader - type several times space or shift during boot[19:58:30] <joacim_> Yep running the fail safe video mode now and it works fine for me at the moment.[19:58:36] <Premislaus> joacim_: We have only wi-fi drivers from old FreeBSD 9.[20:05:10] *** circ-user <circ-user!~IceChat9@ip-80-236-196-253.dsl.scarlet.be> has joined #haiku[20:14:22] *** scottmc <scottmc!~scottmc@c-67-174-194-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[20:17:20] *** maxxcan <maxxcan!~maxxcan@178.156.59.66> has joined #haiku[20:21:18] *** maxxcan <maxxcan!~maxxcan@178.156.59.66> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:21:57] *** illwieckz_ <illwieckz_!~illwieckz@AToulon-256-1-159-178.w83-113.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Ça va couper chérie…)[20:22:12] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@AToulon-256-1-159-178.w83-113.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #haiku[20:22:12] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@AToulon-256-1-159-178.w83-113.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Changing host)[20:22:12] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[20:23:23] *** tresh <tresh!~vision@92.188.49.69> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[20:23:46] *** KapiX <KapiX!~kacper@89-65-138-76.dynamic.chello.pl> has joined #haiku[20:37:18] <scottmc> any Google Code-In students in need of help?[21:04:51] *** ignacio <ignacio!ignacio@unaffiliated/ignacio> has left #haiku ("Leaving")[21:06:20] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zknnoekmgkruunbd> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[21:10:05] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has joined #haiku[21:14:23] *** DCatt <DCatt!~vision@pool-71-113-4-161.rcmdva.east.verizon.net> has joined #haiku[21:22:30] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@dslb-188-106-146-066.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[21:28:46] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kaxqzeqgmgynksxm> has joined #haiku[21:28:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[21:30:02] *** DCatt <DCatt!~vision@pool-71-113-4-161.rcmdva.east.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090423]: i've been blurred!)[21:33:39] *** Alam_Squeeze <Alam_Squeeze!quasselcor@rigginstereo.lawarias.srb2.org> has joined #haiku[21:38:05] <miqlas-H64> Got this building current haiku sources on X86_64 minimum_anyboot: "/Ports/haiku/src/add-ons/kernel/debugger/disasm/x86_64/Jamfile: No such file or directory"[21:51:59] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@dslb-188-106-146-066.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:52:00] <PulkoMandy> this is harmless[21:52:26] <PulkoMandy> miqlas: this is harmless, it just means we did not implement the disassembler for x86_64 yet. If you don't use the kernel debugger, you won't miss it[21:55:34] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@dslb-188-106-146-066.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[21:56:23] *** maxxcan <maxxcan!~maxxcan@178.156.59.66> has joined #haiku[21:57:46] <miqlas> PulkoMandy: it won build btw[21:58:24] <miqlas-H64> ok, the real problrem is this: gcc: error: /Ports/haiku/generated/build_packages/mesa-13.0.2-1-x86_64/develop/lib/libGL.so[21:58:58] *** maxxcan <maxxcan!~maxxcan@178.156.59.66> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:59:46] <circ-user> Hi, i have today sucesfully compiled ReadBFSWindows (github) using MinGW, it's still not working (crashing) but work is in progress..[22:00:31] <circ-user> Do you know is there a different newer project for BFS support on Windows?[22:00:51] <circ-user> Total Commander plugin, Docan plugin, cygwin-fuse or something like that?[22:02:00] <circ-user> code for ReadBFS is rather old, ui need's a lot of work..[22:02:04] <miqlas-H64> PulkoMandy: buildlog: http://termbin.com/vpg84[22:06:29] <Diver> circ-user: bfs-fuse might work[22:06:29] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@dslb-188-106-146-066.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:07:36] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[22:07:54] <PulkoMandy> miqlas: rm -r /Ports/haiku/generated/build_packages and try again[22:08:07] <PulkoMandy> (looks like some download or package extraction failed)[22:09:26] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@dslb-188-106-146-066.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[22:12:32] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 7 commits to master [+4/-8/±5] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/eaf201113222...309ccdded079[22:12:34] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 2fea379 - qt 5.6: some cleanups[22:12:35] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy c2044a8 - dfu_util: missing _BSD_SOURCE[22:12:37] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 4772f16 - qt4: fix dependency on libpng16[22:12:38] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] ... and 4 more commits.[22:12:44] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Quiit...)[22:13:35] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@dslb-188-106-146-066.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:13:56] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@dslb-188-106-146-066.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[22:17:38] *** circ-user <circ-user!~IceChat9@ip-80-236-196-253.dsl.scarlet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Oops. 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There is a jam command for that, but i forgot the syntax.[22:36:34] <PulkoMandy> jam -q AboutSystem[22:36:41] <PulkoMandy> (AboutWindow is not a target, I think)[22:39:05] <miqlas> Thank you![22:59:24] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[23:02:26] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[23:06:24] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[23:09:42] *** KapiX <KapiX!~kacper@89-65-138-76.dynamic.chello.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: KapiX)[23:12:08] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has joined #haiku[23:15:20] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-kyatjxcwtlhykqcm> has joined #haiku[23:15:48] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-188-106-146-066.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:16:48] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:17:17] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:17:35] <Duggan> greetings[23:18:13] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@97-113-235-167.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[23:18:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[23:23:08] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Eating pizza)[23:26:14] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-188-106-146-066.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[23:27:50] *** Perelandra <Perelandra!~Perelandr@h69-130-75-184.nansme.broadband.dynamic.tds.net> has joined #haiku[23:32:41] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@97-113-235-167.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[23:36:45] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.69.160.11.mobile.tre.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Lämnar)[23:42:59] <Premislaus> Duggan: Hi.[23:43:32] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)[23:44:06] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[23:44:20] <Premislaus> Sometimes I read the documentation of the various programs. I think the best is Haiku User Guide - clean and short, with screenshots.[23:50:17] <Duggan> hey Premislaus[23:55:47] *** ryoshu <ryoshu!~kamil@netbsd/developer/kamil> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)